Cowboys game Thread 2
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 5:59 PM CST
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As I was going to say before Z so rudely closed the thread
We had a guy down there. The returner just grabbed the ball on a bounce and our guy slipped, AGAIN. How exactly did the coaching screw us there or really anywhere in this game? Did you want our guy to grab the ball as soon as it hit the ground and potentially give up 20-30 yards of field position?
Some of you guys just like to bitch no matter what don’t you?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
If you're replying to me
I’m talking about the unit as a whole, including the punter, not specifically coaching or anything like that. You expect that a punt will gain you at least 30 yards, and you should be able to count on that. Whether it’s purely the punter or a mistake by a coverage player or players, you have to avoid that sort of play in a game like this.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:06 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know who it was
But whoever was saying our coaching was terrible all day after that punt return
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
did anyone else just lose sound?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Jay Ratliff
One of the better late round pickups I’ve seen in awhile.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
man
that would have been so good if that clanked off.
cowboys offense needs to do something here. at least drive down the field a bit before the punt
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
YESSS
huge!!!
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
now pitt is at least guaranteed a pretty long field
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
choice
stop running to the outside. run up the middle!!
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
damn it
what a terrible time for a sack
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
stupid proctor
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Yep
Romo looks up and Proctor is standing next to him. Figures.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:08 PM CST up reply actions
not his fault proctor sucks
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
This game is not fun to watch.
It’s one of those “tell me about it when it’s over” games.
Yet here I sit. . .
take a little longer to make the call why dont 'cha
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Stop bitching about the play
and look at the game. That play is completely on the Cowboys
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
stupid crew
and we have no challenges
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
prevent defense
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
good question
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
we need a turnover
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I got to give Roethlisberger some credit
He went all out trying to get that first down. Most QBs would have slided before then.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
bad spot
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
crew is giving the steeelers the game
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I hate to be a homer
but it’s just call after call right now
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:14 PM CST up reply actions
they gave him a great spot
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
big ben qb sneak obvi;;;;
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
hard to stop even if it is
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
The Refs
Should be ashamed. That spot was about a yard too far forward.
Refs better spot him poorly now
to make up for that crap
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
these are terrible ass spots
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
that spot
was garbage
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
we have been in the prevent defense this whole quarter almost
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
ouch
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
We need to make sure the clock
works out right now. Needs to be exactly enough time for one more drive after this if they score.
I don't even have
confidence in the Cowboys to be able to make one FG to win this.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Why
Why is the secondary play so soft? Playing the zone is the only reason that they have gotten big yard gains all day.
yay refs
you let htem score. good for you
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
This is why the prevent defense is terrible
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
the refs really are the worst
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
You know what pisses me off?
FOX hasn’t shown one replay of the Washington skipped ball or the bad spot. Not one. I don’t listen to their audio, so I don’t know if Buck and Aikman are oblivious themselves.
they mentioned the skipped ball
but not the bad spot
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
anybody have tivo
do you know if that ball was skipped to washington?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I don't think the original view was good enough to be sure
was a side view from far off
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:21 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, they talked about the questionable call a lot.
At one point they thought they were going to see the replay of it but it was a different play.
Aikman said it looked like a catch, but he couldn’t tell from there and wanted to see a replay.
Pacman needs to not play special teams anymore.
He’s been ridiculously bad today.
he was good on the first kickoff
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
and this season
He is not a good punt or kick returner
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
He hasn't done one thing
as a returner this year. I have no idea how that is, as good as he was at it in Tennessee. The blocking is bad, so that doesn’t help, I guess.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions
I have to credit the Steelers for
ensuring that they somehow got the ball to start the second half and the wind to end the game. Nice job Wade.
yea +1 on that
whaaaat
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
roy is about to go yard
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2008 6:23 PM CST reply actions
oh my god
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
fucking romo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
That's just perfect
instead of not getting the first down, we just throw an interception that is returned for a TD
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
well
that makes this easy
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
when?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
doesn't count
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
romo = very unclutch
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
why am i not surprised
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
what the fuck is going on with romo
are you pulling a fucking mendoza where your thumb is fucked upa nd your not telling anyone
that was a god aweful throw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Troy Aikman's head is exploding as we speak
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
hence the long silence
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
so witten's fault
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
still wasnt a great throw
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
He looked right there...
like he was throwing the game on purpose. That wasn’t even CLOSE!
I wonder how much he is getting paid.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
you need to mention jessica now
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
carrie underwood > jessica simpson
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
he likes to rip on romo for some reason
and always brings up jessica
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Unreal.
A game they have a chance to steal. Up by 10 in the 4th quarter, and they have a team-wide meltdown. I hate December.
two run backs not even to the 20
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
and of course a shitty runback
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
That wasn't Romo's best moment.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
sadly,
it wasn’t his worst.
for two years, i’ve been saying that tony will not do anything for the cowboys. he’s better than johnson, but that doesn’t make him great. he elevates the team at that position, but he doesn’t elevate the team.
i can’t say that i’m surprised. it’s december, and he’s tony romo.
administer the suck…
by sam in so cal on Dec 7, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
You know
this whole game I thought the Cowboys deserved to win. But the inability to get two kickoffs to the 20 makes me wonder.
i really wish the refs hadn't given away this game
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
refs? you mean romo?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Phillips
I’m not one to do this, but I’m done with Phillips. He should be fired. Period. This is one of the most under-performing, weak-minded teams I’ve ever seen. I was fine with keeping Ron Washington. I’m not with Phillips.
Romo is clearly hurt still...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
tony "luis mendoza" romo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I don't know who should feel insulted.
Romo or Mendoza. :)
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Romo is self-destructing.
Or maybe he’s really still hurt.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
I think he’s still hurt playing his first game without a splint and it’s really cold and his tiny hands are his major weakness anyway.
Head of nail, meet philkid3.
That makes a lot of sense.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Romo has been shit today.
I have no idea what happens to him and why he can’t stay focused.
best defense in the NFL...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
His throws have been off by a mile.
That has nothing to do with the defense. The plays have been there and he can’t get a pass on target.
ortonius
thinks it’s the amount of money he makes and jessica’s fault
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Well
whether it’s the wind or his finger, he can’t throw straight either. That doesn’t help.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions
+1
damn you zywica
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
This one's on Z.
"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch
Romo has to be hurt..
his throws are so off.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
it is really windy
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
not all of romos bad throws
have been into the wind
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
this is horrible play calling
go deep on 3rd and 10 when you need 10 yards in 2 plays so make it have to go 10 yards in 1 play
burn a fucking time out when you didnt have to or need to
this is horrible clock management
this is horrible play calling
they dont deserve to win this game
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Why no one turned around
I have no idea. There was no one looking at the ball there.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
then why did romo force it in
when clearly…clearly they were on different pages
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
QB's throw the ball
all the time before the receiver makes his break.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
the issue is that its not the first time it happened in this game
it came out of a time out when they should have been on the same page no matter what
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Tell me
how you know that is romo’s fault? Witten ran the wrong route on the last possession…
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Romo can't be waiting for people to get perfectly open and looking
If he does that, he’s getting sacked.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
wow
this loss really hurts man…
I thought Witten and Romo were road roommates?
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 7, 2008 6:31 PM CST reply actions
ball game
romo and witten are on different pages
thats just redic/shitty
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
what the hell was witten doing?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
that was weird.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
pittsburgh
different team after they hit that big play to santonio. turned the game around.
this loss is totally on fucking romo
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
I'll put some of it on garrett
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
fair enough
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
phillips deserves to go, but....
i am amazed that everybody thinks garret steps right in.
garret will be average at best. he can’t handle half the team effectively, so what makes anyone think he can handle the whole team?
i hate that dallas is becoming synonymous with mediocrity – mavs, stars, cowboys… and of course the rangers. yuck.
by sam in so cal on Dec 7, 2008 6:39 PM CST up reply actions
+1
i agree here
i have no problem with brining in stoops?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i can't believe we lost...
our defense was so money.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
2 words
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
10 points overall
i’ll take that…
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
And they gave those up when they absolutely needed to get stops.
If you’ll take that, then you must like losing games.
Are you serious?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Yep.
In a close game late, they have to step up. That’s how you win in the NFL.
they gave up the tie
not the loss.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Well that just makes everything peachy then.
Please pardon my undeserved criticism.
calm down
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I'm perfectly calm.
Your point was irrelevant. If they don’t give up that easy TD, then Romo isn’t in a position to throw the winning TD for the other team. Pitt waltzed right down the field and scored with minimal effort on a drive where we absolutely had to have a stop. You can’t do that in the NFL and hope to win.
your point is kind of dumb
so if the cowboys had let them score in the 3rd quarter but then held them in the 4th, that would been fine?
this is like people who argue that arod doing well in april doesn’t mean anything because he’s not there when it counts.
defense played well the whole game and they probably got hurt by two questionable ref calls.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
They played great for 3+ quarters.
But then they mailed it in up by a touchdown on a hostile field when their own quarterback was sputtering. In a close game, you have to come up big and get a stop there. Overall, they played great and in a typical game where they hold the other team to one touchdown, they’ve done enough to win.
I’m not saying they sucked tonight. This loss is on Romo. But you’ve got to get a stop in that particular situation. Your alternative hypothetical is irrelevant when my criticism is fact specific to the exact situation they were in. You can’t play 3 quarters brilliantly and then relax in the 4th. It really is that simple.
no, it's not
to rate the defense bad is incorrect.
yes, they should have gotten a stop on the last drive. but you can’t say that the last play is more indicative of how good they are then the first drive or the 10th drive.
it doesn’t make any sense to criticize them in that situation.
you are choosing to over look 3+ quarters AND two bad ref calls. and the 5 turnovers that had the defense playng a short field too many times.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Yeesh. It's like you're not reading what I wrote.
Defense played well enough to win overall. But for Romo’s absolute disaster of a game, they should have won. But as good as they played, they mailed it in on a crucial drive that let Pitt tie the game and cement momentum. That was a bad, bad series. As good as they played, you can’t excuse their performance in that specific situation.
"in a close game, they have to step up. that's how you win in the nfl"
that’s a silly thing to say. It’s like saying choice should have broken his run up the middle for a TD
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
that's a strained analogy
whatever,. dont’ want to talk about it anymore
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
I agree
With ab03 on this one. You can’t blame the defense for this at all. They did their job all day. The offense completely blew it.
It’s not realistic to think you can hold down a really good team on every possession.
They blew up in the 4th.
That was pretty obvious.
This wasn't Pittsburgh winning the game
this was the Cowboys playing and looking like shit. They are in serious danger of not making the playoffs.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
blame jessica right?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
terrible game
just too many things going agains thte cowboys at the same time.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
They show TO yelling
I’m glad at least someone is pissed off.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
TO 3 for 32...
sucky gameplan once again. Jason Garrett is such a loser.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
So it's the OC's fault that Romo ...
had zero focus? JG can just call the plays, it’s up to Romo to get the ball in the same zip code as the receiver.
I blamed Romo above
and said I’ll give some blame to Garrett too.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
Well, the only thing JG could have done to make up for ...
a completely ineffective QB is run every play. Would that have been better? What more could JG have done? What plays did he call that hurt them?
choice
didn’t run as well in the second half.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
My reference to running every play was rhetorical.
And just a little sarcastic. Didn’t mean to suggest that’s what I thought JG should have done.
no
i’m saying JG should have ran and did call running plays but choice stopped running north/south.
kind of hurt. barber would have helped a lot in the 4th quarter
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
The defense blew this game
and the offense didn’t do squat to change that. When the defense crumbled and let Pittsburgh score, the offense couldn’t even get a first down.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
the defense was fine
they allowed basically 10 points.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
and they collapsed in the 4th quarter
A bad time for the defense to start giving up a ton of stuff.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
Aside from further endangering their playoff chances
the worst thing about this game is that you’re probably going to have to win in this sort of weather in NY in the playoffs to go anywhere. And it was clearly a big factor in their play.
his 2 damn playoff games?
one of which he was GOOD in as a qb, and the other one where the o-line collapsed and he was under heavy pressure all day?
the preceding post was a great success.
GOOD?
I don’t care how GOOD he was. He hasn’t WON a meaningful game.
by lildrummerboy on Dec 7, 2008 7:24 PM CST up reply actions
thats silly
hes not a one man team, and if you expect every good qb to completely dominate and carry every significant game.. its just not going to happen. There are hall of fame qbs who didnt win a big game for the first half of their careers.
Everyone said eli couldnt win a big game then a couple months later hes mr clutch cant lose.
Romo is a good qb, and over time its going to show.
And really, what are you suggesting here? You want to replace romo this offseason because youve determined he cant win in the playoffs? That would be so incredibly foolish.
the preceding post was a great success.
Suggesting nothing....
He’s our best option at QB. I just wish he would show up in big games.
by lildrummerboy on Dec 7, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions
Because hes a freakin good qb
Its the people who change their opinion on every play and lack any perspective at all that have the problem.
the preceding post was a great success.
Of course he is a good QB
He’s a very talented guy. I love many things about his game.
He’s also heavily prone to chokesmanship. Answer me this: if the team is down by 6 with 2 minutes to go, and we have the ball, do you like our chances even remotely?
I sure as hell don’t.
He tends to come up with what my stepfather calls a sizeable case of loser’s limp.
Hopefully, that’ll change.
Nah, noob.
So you think its a problem that I defend a good player?
And im pretty sure the cowboys have had their share of 4th quarter comebacks under romo.
Hell, his infamous bobbled snap was at the tail end of a drive to go ahead late in the 4th in a playoff game.
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games decided late in the 4th quarter in the last 2 seasons
giants: TD with 3:00 left to ice game
buffalo: Td with 20 seconds left to get close, field goal drive to win
detroit: TD with 18 seconds left to win
philly: lost
philly: TD with 4:35 to go ahead
washington: lost on a failed onside kick after romo threw a TD at 1:42 to get within 2.
arizona: TD and field goal drives with 2 minutes left to tie game, then broke finger in overtime before blocked punt to lose
washington: 5+ minute drive to ice game and run out the clock.
pittsburgh: lost game with interception and failed drive at end.
dear god, what a horrible track record.
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oh and another stat
4th quarter interceptions this season through weak 12: zero.
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you see, this post was in response to saying he doesnt want him late in games
not playoff games. which i previously addressed. romo doesnt have a good playoff record, but 2 games, in neither of which he was the real cause of the loss, is not enough to condemn him as someone who cant perform in the playoffs.
seriously, there are a LOT of qbs with superbowl rings who went more than 0-2 in the playoffs to start their careers.
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3-8 dec/jan
on playoff-caliber cowboys teams.
i think that sucks.
if it’s not his fault, then it’s a crappy coincidence.
i don’t think that anybody realistically thinks that he is not good. similarly, i am hopefully optimistic that nobody actually thinks he’s great.
he’s a starting qb in the nfl. of course he’s good. beyond that, we can only speculate about his potential b/c he hasn’t proved anything to me.
in related news – i’m not sure if you guys knew this, but we have roy freakin’ williams at receiver now, too. you wouldn’t know it from watching. when do we see this guy???
by sam in so cal on Dec 7, 2008 8:47 PM CST up reply actions
Peyton
took how long to win his first playoff game?
Came into the league in the ’98 season and won his first playoff game in the 2003 season.
Didn’t win a Super Bowl till the 2006 season.
Romo will be fine.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
that's a fair comparison...
you are implying that the colts teams he was losing on are as good as the recent cowboy teams – which is wrong.
the colts SUCKED his first few years.
they made the playoffs, and he looked horrible against the jets 2002.
2003 he went 2-1 in the playoffs.
they went 1-1 in 2004 playoffs (losing to new england for 2nd straight year).
you may be the first to compare tony romo to peyton manning, but i think we see that romo is failing to follow in those footsteps.
by sam in so cal on Dec 7, 2008 9:04 PM CST up reply actions
No
I’m just saying great QB’s don’t always win right away.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
what are you talking about
peyton had an amazing team his second year and third year (where he absolutely sucked)
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
A few things
First, I guess I need to repeat this: I think Romo is a very good qb.
Second, you really should google you some Danny White. I stand behind it as a very apt comparison.
Third, you giving him credit for “icing” the Wash game is ridiculous. He didn’t even throw the ball on that drive. And I don’t want to debate this again, b/c I’ve already read your stance, but not putting any blame on him for the Arizona game is something that baffles me as well. Agree to disagree there.
Fourth, we have 6-7 pro bowlers not including Romo on offense. He has more weapons than the terminator.
Fifth, sam stole my point about Mr. November, which I think has a good deal to do with that fat slob we have as a head coach, but still doesn’t reflect well on him.
And finally, I’ll repeat this again: I’m not contending that he won’t get it together eventually. Many have, and many haven’t.
This season is hard to judge with the injury (and injuries to others) and all, but he doesn’t look to have made any progress from last year’s meltdown. Do you feel he has matured as a QB; that the 08 Romo is better than the 07 version?
Nah, noob.
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first- uh, i made no suggestion you said anything otherwise since that post. but thanks for the reminder. the only football point i directly disagreed with you on was the 4th quarter comebacks, which you didnt actually address in this post beyond one nitpick. also didnt reply to the one other thing ive said to you, whats wrong with defending a good player? You won’t find me saying hes the best QB in the nfl or something.
2nd – k….
3rd- Technically he did throw a pass, a dump off to barber for 26 yards, but ok, yes he wasnt a major factor in that one so strike that game if you wish.
But by the same token some of the games he lost wern’t his fault, and that that still leaves several 4th quarter comebacks and key drives. I still contend hes been just fine in most close & late 4th quarter situations.
4th- In a not so strange coincidence, so do most of the QBs considered good by the public.
5th – Dont you mean mr late august, september, october, and november?
What about romo makes you think december struggles thus far are who he is and not just how things have thus far played out. Does it really seem like he cracks under pressure to you? Ive already said he hasnt been great in the playoffs so far, but with a fairly small sample size Im not contributing that to some problem in his game.
On the flipside, if he does go on a great run here and carry the cowboys deep into the playoffs, I wont be saying he made a huge step forward in his game. Im obviously not a believer in any of these qbs being “mr december”. Not every good qb can win every year. If brady comes back next year and loses in the first round of the playoffs for a couple years in a row im not going to then decide he has lost his playoff ability.
6th – K..
SUMMARY: The bottom line here is that you read everything into his late season struggles thus far, and I dont care all that much.
Now, back to the only thing I ever actually asked you: Whats wrong with me defending romo. You took issue with me, not the other way around so why are you posting so defensively.
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I have no problem with defending a good player
I said you made excuses for him, like when you said it was ALL the OL’s fault in the AZ game. But you haven’t really done that for this game, so maybe I was generalizing too much.
One of the problems with these boards is how hard it is to assess someone’s tone. If I came across as defensive, it was unintentional. I meant no rancor.
Romo has a QB rating 30 points lower than his average in Dec./Jan, and 50 points lower than November. I think he’s played enough games, with enough talent around him, to believe that’s a problem.
Don’t you?
Nah, noob.
I don't lack perspective....
I’m just worried he may be the another Danny White. Stats aren’t everything.
by lildrummerboy on Dec 7, 2008 8:20 PM CST up reply actions
Explain to me how tony romo is "money for the home team" in road games.
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I typed that as soon as the game was over. no evidence to back it up. just pissed.
by lildrummerboy on Dec 7, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions
um no
NY will get a bye
IF dallas makes the playoffs the won’t make it to ny in the 2nd week.
by sam in so cal on Dec 7, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
first game all year romo deserves the criticism
though I still want to know what was up with he and witten constantly screwing up.
its not that surprising to lose to pitt, but they way in happened in the 4th was obviously… horrible.
well, at least atlanta losing keeps the playoffs alive, but its going to take some great performances.
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it looked like the last two throws were on witten
which is just odd to say the least. what was he doing?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
yeah
this loss hurts don’t get me wrong, but it’s not as bad as atlanta’s loss was today.
Gotta go 3-1 now though right?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
is that enough?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
That would be 11-6
I would think so…
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
well
are they beating someone in the playoffs to get to to the 11th win?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Bah I meant 2-1 earlier and 10-6
Giants, Baltimore, and @ Philly are the last 3.
It’s gonna be close.
But the NFC south teams still have to play each other and things like that.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
um no
maybe should refamiliarize yourself with the arizona game
by sam in so cal on Dec 7, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions
there are so many little things that would have helped
newman, you can’t give up that huge play
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
That might have been the play of the game
especially if you believe in momentum.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
Obviously the INT was the real one
But let’s just say after that.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 7, 2008 6:42 PM CST up reply actions
tuff loss...
17-0 in the fourth plus is tough…
i definitely think this is a game where tony romo’s play exasterbated what could have been a cowboys win…. the defense was phenominal. it can’t be stated enough how well the defense played. yet, as always. the play of the QB dictates the game and, even as a homer, romo played terrible and should shoulder the lions share of the critisizm…
romo will always cost his team 2-3 wins a season, and always be credited with 2-3 wins... no matter the season... this was one of those loses..."Anyone that isn't pro-choice never met you" ~Brian Thomas on Seth...
you know
romo did have a bad game but i don’t think enough epople are putting the blame on witten for the last INT. the ball sailed a bit but he missed his route. not sure what would have happened if he had ran the right route
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
Romo's game wasn't "bad" ...
it was horrible. He was off significantly all game long. Either he was horrible, or his receivers had the worst game in the history of the sport in being out of position. I think common sense dictates it’s the former.
what the hell?
no it doesn’t. witten took the blame straight out for the last INT and TO stopped running on the 1st INT. the fade route was on romo and the fumble was really close. he was airmailing throws all game but it’s not like every single thing was his fault
also, i’m not going to debate the difference between bad and horrible.
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
How about "shitty"?
That’s another accurate way to describe Romo’s play tonight.
BCS selection show
im interested to see how far behind texas is at #3
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
va tech vs cincy
usc vs penn state
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
TCU > Cincy
MWC >>>> Big East
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
the conferences shouldnt matte
is there an arguement that va tech is better than tech? boise? tcu?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
texas tech/boise st/tcu
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Autobids
I know it’s all about the money/drawing power, but god, do I hate it. Big East/ACC were not strong conferences this year.
Even the SEC, outside of Florida/Bama wasn’t really impressive. Georgia was clearly not a big time team this year. Tennessee/Vanderbilt/LSU/Auburn? YAWN.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
+1
whast the arguement for va tech or cincy > texas tech/boise st/tcu?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
TExas 3rd
we were well ahead in the computers. lost the championship game by less that 2 hundredths of a point..
http://cfn.scout.com/a.z?s=451&p=2&c=557949
Jindal - 2012
ACC
8 game bcs bowl losing streak
damnnnnnn
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
imagaine how gators fans would feel
if they won and Alabama was still ahead of them and were playing in the NC game. That is how I feel. Why isn’t that the case here?
Oh well, next year.
Jindal - 2012
it is very similar
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
i hiate tim tebow
that smug son of a bitch
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i don't understand how he became such a media darling
people are calling him one of the best college football players ever! really?
""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley
exactly
EXACTLY
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
if tebow wins the heisman AGAIN
my head will explode
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
steelers are the best team in the AFC
and enough with all of this BS talk about the Cowboys. THEY BEAT THE 49ERS AND THE SEAHAWKS, so what!?!?
fuck bob stoops
“win vs #2 and #11 and your still agrivated”
pulled out the if h2h works for texas/OU why not for TT/texas? shit
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
so he uses the name of his off coordinator
but leaves venables out?
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
i will say this
i feel bad for texas tech – they are waaaaaaaaaaaaay better than va tech
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
urban meyer
i bet is coaching at ND in the next 3 years
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Jeremy fulley
won’t let that happen.
"You can be a leader or follower.... Or you can be elite...." - Me
prediction
i bet its a 3 TD game …. in OUs favor
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
How is Florda higher ranked than Texas
Florida lost to Ole Miss at home
Texas lost to Texas Tech on the road.
Florida beat Alabama and……no one.
Texas beat OU, Missouri, Oklahoma State
Kirk Herbstreit
is a fucking idiot.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
what did he say?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
good point
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Earlier
while talking about Utah/Bama. Saying that a MWC team can never go to a national title game.
This Utah team? No, I agree they aren’t that good. But he dismisses the conference as a whole, even though they’ve had a great season. Hence my idiot remarks.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
Well he's right
that in the current system a MWC pretty much can’t make the title game.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
I know it's hypothetical:
but hypothetically, if TCU beat OU and Utah, you wouldn’t put them at least in consideration? Their schedule was respectable this year, and almost all the games they played, they won convincingly. I’m not saying this as a TCU fan either.
I didn’t expect Michigan to be this awful, so preseason, it looked like a stronger schedule for Utah too. They did everything expected of them, and won a tough conference. I just took exception to him comparing the MWC to the MAC or WAC in terms of toughness.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
Oh, I agree with you they would be
deserving….
It’s just that the system makes it damn near impossible.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Gotcha
Well Herbstreit’s attitude during the entire segment for Utah/Bama was talking about the inferiority of Utah’s conference, and to me signaled him taking away from Utah’s season, rather than questioning the the system itself.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
Probably so
I didn’t see it, so I’ll take your word for it.
I think it is funny that he would knock the quality of the MWC without saying the same thing about the Big East.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
The Big East
I would love to see my school play Cincy or Va Tech in the ACC. I think TCU plays Virginia next year, but not sure.
The crew kept talking about how when Utah beat Pitt a few years ago, it wasn’t really an upset. Which begs the question: why does this conference still get an autobid?
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
It's all about the $...
screw ’em. The Pointsetta Bowl will be 5 times the Bowl the Orange Bowl is this year. It may even be the best game of the Bowl season.
Go Frogs. Beat those blue tater bastards.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Thanks a lot
A lot of people in Fort Worth are rooting for the upset over Bama. Give ’em hell.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
should say
*rooting for you to get the upset over Bama.
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
ARRGHHH
i’m still so fucking pissed about the cowboys game. this entire week is going to suck until they play again.
It's funny...
If USC went undefeated then I’m sure everyone would have them in the NC game, and they play in the PAC 10 which was dominated by the MWC this year. What if someone went undefeated in the ACC or Big East this year? Would they be in the NC game? The MWC is clearly better than those 2 conferences this year.
Look, I’m not going to sit here and say that my Utes belong in the NC game. I’m happy they get to play a very good Bama team with a chance to prove they belong. However, if they beat Bama, or can even keep it close then people better shut the fuck up about Utah not belonging. Herby put Utah in a group with Ball St. and Bosie St. Are you fucking kidding me? Obviously he hasn’t seen them play this year (shitty mtn. station deal). Utah would smash either of those teams. I’m just as pumped to see TCU and Boise St. too. I’ll bet TCU beats Boise as well. That would be huge for the MWC.
I think the Utes in college football will be viewed like Gonzaga in college basketball if they can beat Bama, and IF TCU and BYU can keep doing what they did this year then the MWC will permanetley pass the Big East and ACC in football shortly. That’s a big IF right now though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
The Mountain west has been a great conference this year
Much better than the Big East, ACC, and the Pac-10. Hell, I think they could give the Big 10 a good run for its money (How that conference got 2 teams in BCS games is still beyond me). Thats why I hate Automatic bids for these conferences. A 9-4 VT team does not deserve a BCS game. They don’t deserve it over a Boise State team (12-0), a 10-2 TCU team, or a 10-1 Tech team.
SLC, good luck to your Utes. TCU fan here, wish ya’ll the best, show everyone that the MWC can do work…and yet, then again, I just wonder if our kicker didn’t miss those two easy FGs how we would stack up against Bama…oh well
In Smoak We Trust
When I worked 2 TCU games for the MTN
I stood next to Ross Evans while working Parab mic utility.
Seemed like a chill guy. I felt terrible for him after the game. He didn’t go to class after the Utah game, according to a few people. I don’t blame him
"Relying on the government to protect your privacy is like asking a peeping tom to install your window blinds."
I coudn't get this out of my mind
during the game
Everytime I saw Wade I thought of:
http://www.redriderleglamps.com/images/products/randy_card.jpg
Freddie King rules faces.
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