Varitek reportedly rejecting arbitration
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 8:31 PM CST
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Jason Varitek reportedly will not accept arbitration from the BoSox...
There was some thought that he would accept, which would impact Boston's catcher situation...but since he's declining, they continue to be in limbo, although I'm starting to think that none of the young catchers Texas has will get dealt this offseason, making Boston pretty much moot as a trade partner...
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This would suck...
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 8:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 8:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 7, 2008 8:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
"I'm starting to think that none of the young catchers Texas has will get dealt this offseason"
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 8:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what
if they can’t get a good value right now for one of the younger guys, trade Laird and deal one of the younger guys later. You gain eval and development time with the younger guys, get something for Laird to clear some playing time, and you let the market for catchers hopefully improve by mid-season.
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I am 100% for
just getting rid of Laird. For all the reasons you just stated. He’s not going to be here when it counts, so why keep him here when all he’s going to do is retard the development of the other 3.
I know it’s not popular, but just get rid of him (and no not for nothing, just don’t hold out for the ranch.)
Freddie King rules faces.
by Ryin A on Dec 7, 2008 9:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well it makes me upset that we can't get good value for them now...
am I not allowed to be upset about that? Geez.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that's not what you said.
Sure it sucks that the market for catchers is a little bloated right now. But to me that doesn’t equal it sucks not to trade one of the younger three.
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 11:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone else confused by this?
There was some thought that he would accept, which would impact Boston’s catcher situation…but since he’s declining, they continue to be in limbo, although I’m starting to think that none of the young catchers Texas has will get dealt this offseason, making Boston pretty much moot as a trade partner…
I’m struggling to understand that stream of consciousness there….
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by Dirk Diggler on Dec 7, 2008 8:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Same here
If Varitek doesn’t end up in Boston, doesn’t make them more desperate for a catcher?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
There are other...
catchers out there besides the catchers the Rangers have though.
The BoSox have a lot of options.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay
but why would we now have a less chance of trading with them?
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Because...
JD wants Buchholz and Theo won’t give him up.
I really don’t think either guy is going to flinch.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking this will move things along
Now it appears they need a catcher just what will they give up for one is the question now.
Miami bound...
by boomer1 on Dec 7, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why? They can still negotiate with/sign Varitek.
All this does is just say once and for all that he won’t accept arb.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 9:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Some people
thought Varitek would accept, which would make the Sox not necessarily need to add a young catcher this offseason.
However, he declined, so the Sox have a definite question mark at catcher, which would seem to be a good thing for the Rangers.
Due to other circumstances and the hot bat of Salty (perhaps), Adam thinks the Rangers won’t actually trade one of the three young’ns, making the Red Sox an unlikely trading partner, since all we’re offering is Laird.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Dec 7, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
OK, I don’t really agree with that.
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 7, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm confused
but I don’t remember what I am confused about.
I have nothing to say
by rldwb on Dec 7, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Boston and Tek
I want to point out that Veritek is being advised by the Great Satan and he thinks he can get a big deal from the Dodgers. I tend to think that this motivates the Sox to really consider trading for Salty and really consider giving up Buchholz or Masterson.
by nathan_sassaman on Dec 7, 2008 9:01 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Bucholz or Masterson??
I still doubt either are available, especially Buch… just cause he declined doesn’t mean he still won’t re-sign with Boston
by Baseball North on Dec 7, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Where would you put him? Red Sox rotation is Dice K,Beckett, Lester, Wakefield, And/Or Masterson/Bucholz. The Red Sox have expressed Interest in Derek Lowe, CC Sabathia, and AJ Burnett. They also signed Tarwaza from Japan…So I would not rule out either pitcher in a trade if Veritek left for the Dodgers or asked for more than he is worth.
by nathan_sassaman on Dec 7, 2008 9:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth
Bill Simmons said he’d trade buc over masterson anyday.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 9:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bill Simmons knows as much about baseball...
…as Sharky knows about football…
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 7, 2008 9:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just giving you the perspective of an
average Boston baseball fan.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, heard that
In his podcast last week. Believes that Bucholz continues to live on his prefect game, and hasn’t done much since. Believes that Masterson should be kept mainly due to “playing great in the playoffs.”
Got to love Red Sox fans who believe they know everthing about baseball. For that team, its a “what have you done for me lately” stance for its fans
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 7, 2008 9:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No offense, but
please don’t think because one person said something on a podcast it is some kind of universal opinion.
Varitek declining arb won’t make the Sox give up Buchholz, and most of the smart fans I know prefer Buchholz to Masterson.
"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.
by OCD SS on Dec 8, 2008 7:07 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
why would the dodgers
want to sign an expensive veteran catcher?
by Smoakin in the Boys Room on Dec 7, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
R. MArtin to 3rd...
Then varitek behind the dish
by laxtonto on Dec 7, 2008 9:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying Buccholz or Masterson is like saying Derek Holland or Matt Harrison.
There’s a ton of difference there, imo.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That statement is very inaccurate
in my opinion.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How so?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 7, 2008 10:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think the gap in talent is that wide.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2008 12:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The gap in talent is that wide
The gap in expected performance though isn’t. Buchholz is a much, much better pitcher than Masterson, but Masterson has already proven that he is able to do well in the Majors while Buchholz has struggled.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 8, 2008 10:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you just proved my point...
the talent isn’t that great.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, 'cause
young pitchers just never struggle transitioning to the majors. Right.
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by t ball on Dec 8, 2008 11:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You're right, it's more like saying Brandon McCarthy or Doug Mathis.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 8, 2008 7:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No wrong again
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 8, 2008 10:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm not.
But thanks for offering your usual level of insight.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 8, 2008 12:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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by Gnick on Dec 8, 2008 6:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they do not trade a catcher this offseason, I will be one... extreeeeemely pissed-off... Ranger fan.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 7, 2008 9:09 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
The Dodgers feel they are close to going the Big Game…They are in one of the weakest divisions in the National League. San Diego is dismantling, San Fran is years away, Colorado is at a crossroads, and Arizona does not have enough bats. Sign Veritek to a 4 year 40 million contract to get over the hump.
by nathan_sassaman on Dec 7, 2008 9:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if they only trade Lairdy-Poo?
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 7, 2008 9:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Laird will probably be a Detroit Tiger…Do you want Zach Minor or Chris Lambert? they two Major League ready pitchers the Tigers are willing to part with.
The Reds are interested, but they just sent Homer Bailey to the White Sox.
Well You would Have Teagarden and Salty to share catching and Max Ramirez to play Dh or third. I still think you will have Max and Teagarden as your catchers, since Salty will be in Boston.
by nathan_sassaman on Dec 7, 2008 9:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't care which catcher... just unclog the logs.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 7, 2008 10:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any news
on Bradley’s arb decision?
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
by Dirk Diggler on Dec 7, 2008 9:32 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Laird to Det is making progress
Rangers, Tigers Make Progress On Laird Trade
By Tim Dierkes [December 7 at 9:26pm CST]
According to Jon Paul Morosi of the Detroit Free Press, “The Tigers and Texas Rangers have made significant progress toward a trade that would send catcher Gerald Laird to Detroit and pitching prospect Guillermo Moscoso to the Rangers.” It’s not known whether the Tigers would include anyone else.
Baseball America ranks Moscoso tenth among Tigers prospects, noting shoulder woes but suggesting a high ceiling. They say he could end up a #3 or #4 starter. He’s drawn some comparisons to Jair Jurrjens.
by laxtonto on Dec 7, 2008 9:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
meh,
Moscoso doesn’t do much for me, but honestly I doubt Laird could bring a better return back. The catchers other teams are willing to trade are on par with Laird, imo, so trading Laird for whatever is a good thing but I wasn’t expecting a big return.
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by NYTXFAN on Dec 7, 2008 9:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jamey Newberg just emailed about the possible trade for Moscoso if not more ..Moscoso, ranked recently by Baseball America as Detroit ’s number 10 prospect, has an 8.36 ERA in 14 Venezuelan Winter League innings
by nathan_sassaman on Dec 7, 2008 10:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right now
If i’m JD and at the Winter Meetings, I’m walking down to whatever room Theo is staying in and inviting myself into his room. I look at Theo, tell him that it sucks about Tek, but I say that I have 4 catchers on my team, none of which are untouchable, and am willing to trade. But to get one of those catchers, one of Masterson, Buchholz, or Bowden has to come back to Texas. I would tell him that I would rank my catchers in order and he is to rank his players in order.
I would tell him that neither one of us (JD or Theo) is to leave the room unless they come to a decision. Hell, they got all night
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 7, 2008 9:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
better yet
JD needs to be packing some heat, Plaxico style, and if need be use it to get the deal done
by blalock84 on Dec 7, 2008 9:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
most important
he needs to be wearing sweatpants…
by clark on Dec 8, 2008 2:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you do Teagarden for Bowden?
I think most people on this blog won’t be happy with that.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 7, 2008 9:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thats what I mean for the rankings
I’m guessing JD would put Tea first, Salty second, MaxRam third, Laird fourth, while Theo would do Buch first, Masterson 2nd, and Bowden 3rd.
If Theo wants Tea for Bowden, due to the rankings, he would have to include more. If he wanted to do Tea for Buch, than I’m sure both GMs would look at their rankings and see it being fair for both teams, and they do that trade.
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 7, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you're a genius
I’m sure Daniels hasn’t talked to Boston about the Rangers catchers, or even thought of talking to him. I’m also sure that if Daniels tried to do what you’re suggesting Theo would throw him right out of the room.
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by t ball on Dec 7, 2008 11:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Umm, no crap
Yeah, Daniels has talked to Boston about them. Everyone knows that
But then again, Boston really doesn’t have a catcher coming into next season. Tek is gone possibly. They need a catcher, so Daniels needs to go to Theo now
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 7, 2008 11:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Stupid move by Tek.
He’s not going to get a better deal on the open market. Dumb.
by Athos on Dec 7, 2008 9:44 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I’m flat out astonished. All you can say is, look at the agent…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 7, 2008 9:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly
I think Tek will see that the market isn’t as good as he hoped, and see that hes not going to get a mult-year deal, and i think he’ll crawl back to Boston.
Thats why I want JD to move in now and see what he can get out of them
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 7, 2008 9:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think
Varitek will suck with the bat like he did this year…but is anyone willing to bet on whether he could hit something like .250 next year?
by jonthefon on Dec 8, 2008 12:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I saw a report earlier this morning
that also included Bard. How would Texas fans feel about a Bowden + Bard deal for Salty?
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by OCD SS on Dec 8, 2008 7:09 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
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