Giants/Texas (Blalock)

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 12:54 AM CST Comment 38 comments

The Rangers need pitching. The Giants need offense.

They'll talk about Hank Blalock, one source said. The Giants need a power bat. The Rangers are interested in the Giants starting pitching. They like Matt Cain but the Giants aren't going to part with him for Blalock. The Rangers may target Jonathan Sanchez instead.

Is a deal possible? Who knows but these two teams are expected to talk.

-- T.R. Sullivan

Add a prospect or two and bring back Cain!!!!!!!

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woohoo

brought it up in another thread but would you do

any of:
blalock/main/boscan
blalock/holland/boscan
blalock/main/beltre

for cain?

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2008 12:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Heeeelll no

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 8, 2008 12:58 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs

how about

Poveda and Moscoso? lol

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ding ding ding

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 8, 2008 1:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't imagine a scenario

where trading Main or Holland is justifiable…… unless names like Lincecum or Webb are available, which is pretty much a no shot possibility

by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2008 1:03 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

is cain that far behind both of them?

main has been overhyped by many on this board (me included) and while i agree with you on holland, i disagree on main.

matt cain is what we hope michael main becomes…

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2008 1:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

but i’d offer a Kiker and or Beavan/Poveda

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 1:00 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

main is that much better than beavan?

or is kiker also that much better than boscan in your mind?

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 1:09 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't know

I’ve just never really liked either Kiker or Beavan. I used to REALLY like Beavan because of his size and arm coming out of high school. But if he lost his velocity, his size doesn’t really mean a whole lot anymore.

I’ve NEVER liked Kiker. I don’t think i really have a justifiable reason for it. I just don’t like his size for a starting pitcher. I’ve never seen the kid pitch. I just have this impression of him as getting by with smoke and mirrors. I dunno.

I like Main. He’s a big, menacing figure on the mound and from what i’ve heard about Boscan, he sounds like a freak.

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 4:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also

It looks like the Rangers turned down an offer from the Mets to trade Padilla for Luis Castillo.

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 1:01 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

what would we have done with Luis Castillo

That is one of the worst trade offers, if it was true

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Dec 8, 2008 1:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

JD should put the mets in a timeout. no talking with them for a full day

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 1:11 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

how about...

Blalock/Andrus/Salty/Poveda?

Blalock/Borbon/Salty/Poveda?

Blalock/Andrus/Salty/Beaven?

by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2008 1:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

we need

salty for Buchholz. I know Boston said they won’t trade him, but i think that’s just posturing.

If we could bring back Cain or Sanchez in a deal for Blalock and Buchholz back for Salty and now with Moscoso coming in on the Laird deal, where would all these 4A pitchers pitch?

Let’s say we don’t get rid of Millwood and Padilla. That leaves like 14 starting pitchers for 10 spots between Oklahoma and Arlington.

Millwood
Padilla
Buchholz*
Sanchez*
Harrison
Hunter
McCarthy
Gabbard
Feldman
Hurley
Poveda
Diamond
Mathis
Mendoza
Nippert
Moscoso*

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 1:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd rather

go after an established top of the rotation guy like Cain.. rather than an average (Sanchez) or an unknown (Buchholz)…

Cain for a group of prospects that doesn’t include CD, Main, Feliz, or Beavan

Cain, Millwood, Padilla, BMac, Harrison/Feldman———- that rotation looks pretty decent if 70-80% healthy, not a championship one but an adequate one… being close to their contract years, Milly and Paddily might put in solid campaigns to grab another long term deal

by Baseball North on Dec 8, 2008 1:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

while i agree with you on cain > sanchez im not so sure on cain > buchholtz

someone recently wrote that buchholz will be a very good pitcher at the ML level and i agree totally and completely

the milage on cain’s arm also worries me but if you can get him for blalock/almost any combo of amrs i do it in a heartbeat (non-holland/feliz arms that is)

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think all that is way too much.

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by utlonghorn24 on Dec 8, 2008 9:10 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What Blalock based package would you do

for Sanchez?

I wouldn’t mind a Blalock/Beavan deal, with maybe one more decent guy thrown in. Not sure who that guy would be yet.

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by Maximilian on Dec 8, 2008 1:15 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

maybe I'm not as informed as I should be...

but I don’t see enough in J.Sanchez to warrant more than a couple 15-20 prospects. I don’t wanna part with Beaven. Besides, we must remember, he’s a first rounder ;)

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 8, 2008 1:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would be willing to trade Blalock and Beavan for Sanchez

First, I don’t think that Blalock has an extraordinary amount of value. His salary and his recent injury history don’t help his value on the trading block. Also, trading Blalock could allow the Rangers to pursue a FA (theoretically, although I think they are really interesting in cutting costs this off-season).

Second, I also don’t think Beavan has extremely high upside (probably a decent middle to back of rotation starter). I know he was drafted really high, but his K rate in the minors has been really underwhelming. I know it has improved, but I am not convinced that he has top of the rotation potential. Maybe I am wrong though.

Third, Sanchez has top of the rotation caliber potential, and as I mentioned in the other thread, Sanchez has some pretty nice numbers outside his ERA (3.90 FIP, 111 tRA+, 4.23 tRA). He is probably a good #3 starter or so right now, and has the potential to be a #2 or better starter going forward. He is a risk (injury and continuing transition to the rotation), but then again so are Blalock and Beavan.

That trade wouldn’t be a slam dunk, but I would be pretty disappointed if they turned it down. I’d be willing to include another decent piece along with Blalock for Sanchez.

by Stephen Rushin on Dec 8, 2008 1:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

while

i like the idea of buying Sanchez now seeing how he’s been mediocre in his first 250 pro innings, his value doesnt merit a Blalock+Beaven deal. Id consider doing it, but i really think/hope we could get him for a Blalock + Kiker + throw in position player like a chad tracy or something like that. Blalock is still capable of putting up all start type numbers and maybe even reaching type A status as FA next year, who knows.

by blalock84 on Dec 8, 2008 5:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

Blalock’s value is going to skyrocket as soon as Tex signs. Everything I’ve read suggests Blalock is “plan B” for the teams who miss out on Tex. If this is correct, you have to hope Tex doesn’t sign with Boston or New York. As long as those two are bidding against each other, value for players will only go up. Then, throw in teams like the Giants who have the young pitching Texas craves and perhaps we’re talking about bringing back Buchholz, Cain or Kennedy or Hughes in a much smaller package than would’ve been necessary before the bidding war.

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 2:04 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I think Blalock is plan B

for teams that don’t have something anywhere near what Teix can do. I can’t see Boston having any real interest in Blalock. Signing Teix requires them to move Youk to 3B and trade Lowell (something you’re willing to do for a stud like Teix). I don’t see them interested in doing that for Blalock. The Yankees could have some interest, but I’m guessing Hughes is way out of the recommended asking price.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 8, 2008 2:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

for a straight up deal

for Blalock, you’re definitely right. But if some of these teams start bidding, the package that we’d have to give up could be a lot less than anticipated.

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 2:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

perhaps.

i’m just saying that a deal with Blalock as the centerpiece can’t land Hughes.

I guess you heard Fat Joe left Atlantic.

by Haeger Champ on Dec 8, 2008 2:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Blalock

is barely above “replacement” level. He has minimal value.

by JTodd on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That's

overstating it a bit.

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by t ball on Dec 8, 2008 11:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

he was irreplaceable when he returned

by Goyogringo on Dec 8, 2008 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe,

but if a package centered around Blalock could land Cain, the Yankees might have to offer Hughes to stay in the running. I realize Blalock won’t land either of those guys straight up, but a package of him and a couple high prospects could.

by texaschief on Dec 8, 2008 2:49 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

No it couldn't

but a package of him and a couple high prospects could

Now, if your high end prospects are a couple of, like, Kinsler, Davis and Feliz, okay. But a deal where Blalock is a key piece isn’t even in the same universe as one that would get Cain.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 8, 2008 3:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Im sorry to burst everyone’s bubble however the Rangers are not going to get Buchholz, Hughes, or Cain this off-season unless we deal one of our top 5 (feliz, holland, main, andrus, or smoak – cant be traded anyway because he was recently drafted as far as i understand) in addition to a blalock or salty.

by Michael Cave on Dec 8, 2008 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

main is way overhyped on here

he may explode but its not like he should be untouchable

hughes/buchholtz/cain is what we HOPE main will become not the other way around

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 8, 2008 1:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

could blalock, vallejo and moscoso

bring back Sanchez?

by clark on Dec 8, 2008 10:06 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget about

Golson. He was born to flip.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 8, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Now I have that damned Sara Evans song in my head. :)

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 8, 2008 11:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have no idea who that is.

My fortune, evidently.

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 8, 2008 2:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't want Cain

I’d like to have him, but the price will be too high.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 8, 2008 11:34 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

More speculation on a Cantu/Sanchez swap

http://hotstove.mlblogs.com/archives/2008/12/cantu_for_sanchez_speculation.html

Looks like there may be some truth to that rumor. If that actually happens, I would be really, really disappointed. Surely, Texas could top that offer for Sanchez.

I guess it could set up a SP for C swap between Florida and Texas. Who knows.

by Stephen Rushin on Dec 8, 2008 3:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs