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A lot of talk about the Laird trade out there today...

Keith Law sees it as a positive for the Rangers:

The trade of Gerald Laird to the Tigers gets Detroit an inexpensive everyday catcher, but one with limited upside, and at a pretty significant cost in minor league pitching.

* * *

His secondary stuff is all projection at this point, but bear in mind that the Rangers might be the best team at identifying amateur talent in Latin America and have used that knowledge to find throw-ins for trades the past two years. They landed their top prospect, Neftali Feliz, in one of those trades, and toolsy outfielder Engel Beltre in another. Of course, Melo is just a baby in baseball terms, and the odds are against his staying healthy and developing into a big leaguer, but the strategy of collecting as many arms like his as possible and figuring enough will pan out is a sound one.

Christina Kahrl?  Not so much...

You might be asking yourself, two years of a start-worthy catcher, in this market, and that's it? Keep in mind that Laird's going to be arbitration-eligible both seasons, and that'll run his employers perhaps as much as $4-5 million over that time. Even so, if you're a Rangers fan who harbored high expectations for what Laird might bring you, this has to be a bit of a disappointment.

Joe Sheehan also weighed in...

The Tigers need a catcher and see nothing in the market they can invest in with confidence. The Rangers have a glut of them, thanks to some shrewd trades by Jon Daniels. Gerald Laird, pack your bags. Laird is a marginal starter himself, with so-so power, a poor contact rate, and a career K/BB over three to one. He has a good defensive reputation, and very good statistics, having thrown out 38 percent of the runners trying to steal on him in his career. Some of that may be in the pitchers he's worked with, such as Kenny Rogers and Vicente Padilla, who hold runners well, so take that figure with a grain of salt. Laird is a stopgap, and at 29, he's not going to change much. He's probably better used as part of a solution than as the whole one.

The Tigers didn't give up the store here. One of the prospects is a 25-year-old who has just 260 professional innings under his belt. Guillermo Moscoso was the Tigers' tenth-ranked prospect according to Baseball America, and while his performance begs attention—122 strikeouts in 86 2/3 innings at two levels last season—his age and level limit his upside. The other prospect, Carlos Melo, won't even be 18 until February 27, and is a skinny hard-throwing right-hander. Check back in 2012.

For the Rangers, it looks more and more like Taylor Teagarden is going to emerge from their group and be their starter in the long term. Teagarden is by far the best defensive catcher they have, and will be one of the best in baseball once he takes over in Arlington. While the team could find room for Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Max Ramirez, both players—who are marginal catchers with very big bats—would have more value to an organization that will put them behind the plate and live with their defense. That puts Daniels on the spot; he has a team that is emerging as one of the best collections of talent for the 2010s. His job now is to turn that into a baseball team, which means signing the right free agents—next year, in all likelihood—sorting through the gluts at some positions, and bringing along studs Neftali Feliz and Derek Holland in a way that balances their development, their health, and the team's needs. While I'd rather have his job than, say, Neal Huntington's, Daniels faces significant challenges in progressing from a strong organization to a championship team. Trading Saltalamacchia and Ramirez will be a critical step in that process.

Richard Durrett has some bullet points from Jon Daniels on the trade, including Daniels saying that the team is going to look at Moscoso as a starter.  From what little I know, he seems like a better fit in the pen, but the more I think about this, the more I have to wonder if Moscoso isn't this year's Terrmel Sledge, the guy we get in a trade and ruminate about and try to figure out where he'll fit in, only to see him moved before the season in another deal.  Moscoso is the type of live arm that lots of teams are going to be interested in, and could be a kicker in a deal involving one of the catchers, one of the expensive starters, or Hank Blalock.

Durrett also has a Q&A with Laird up.

Over at FanGraphs, Dave Cameron says Laird would be a $10-12 million per year player on the open market.

T.R. Sullivan has some notes up from Vegas, with the most notable being the Giants having interest in Blalock and the Braves having interest in Millwood.  For the life of me, I am having a hard time figuring out what sort of return a Millwood to Atlanta deal would bring.

Jeff Wilson has many blog updates today, including a mention that Greg Golson is going to be in Arlington working with Rudy Jaramillo this week.

 

 

 

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Ah, Terrmel Sledge.

That was fun for a week.

"Please. What the hell do you know about starting a sports-related website and then deciding to leave it to work on other things and then? How dare you, sir." -- Michael Schur, aka FireJoeMorgan's Ken Tremendous, to Will Leitch

by ghtd36 on Dec 8, 2008 9:02 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If I have another son...

…he will be Terrmel Sledge Morris.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2008 9:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's an excellent idea Adam :)

nothing like having your son hate you by age 5,

reminds me of that old Johnny Cash song… " A boy named Sue:."

"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"

Tom Hicks

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 8, 2008 9:15 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 8, 2008 10:48 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

NO WAY Laird would get 10 to 12 mil on the open market

that’s one less writer I have to worry about reading

"Hang-Dai, Wu...Hang-Fu$&ing-Dai"

by Walter Sobchak on Dec 8, 2008 9:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Because of one statement?

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 9:31 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cameron

He was pretty aggressive in assigning Laird +5 wins on defense (although he did admit that defensive numbers were hard to calculate). He might want that one back.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 8, 2008 9:44 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

to be fair he said value, which is a little different than projecting what he would actually get from a team.

though I think whatever stats give laird that much value are flawed.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So

since when is a player’s value “more” than what he actually gets paid on the FA market?

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Dec 9, 2008 1:34 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Since

there have been free agents, just like often a player’s nominal value will be less than he is getting paid. The market is not a perfect indicator of a player’s value.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So this 'future' things is becoming a beating...

Can we fix the parent ballclub already?

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 9:33 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

read this

http://www.bbtia.com/home/2008/12/8/kevin-goldstein-qa-part-ii.html

""If they'd have told me you can make the team but you've got to shine the shoes, I'd have been there shining shoes." -Bradley

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 9:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hooray future!

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 10:04 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not convinced

that they won’t make another move to help the big club this off season but the laird trade definitely does help the big club

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Do you

microwave your Thanksgiving dinner?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 8, 2008 11:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

um... Thanksgiving dinner is over

shouldn’t the question be Christmas Dinner?

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 11:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Shouldn't you be

in rehab?

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 8, 2008 11:57 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Probably not

At least it would certainly surprise me.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Dec 8, 2008 9:43 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cruz

San Francisco fodder?

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 9:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What're

Your thoughts on Sanchez?

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2008 9:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He can't be any worse than McCarthy.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 9:52 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Color me optimistic

But I still have extremely high hopes and expectations for McCarthy.

Cue the obligatory tough-guy quotes about McCarthy injuring his vagina.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Raise you...

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 9:58 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ha

OK.. we need not get into this.

OK.. we need not get into this.I’ll end up getting drunk wishing we still had Johnny Danks.

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 10:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 1:30 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fixed

I’ll end up getting drunk wishing we still had Johnny Danks.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 8, 2008 10:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

um.. that was rather strange

I did not double post. Is someone like ab hacking into my computer

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 10:01 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 8, 2008 10:49 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bravo

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 8, 2008 11:27 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cool!

Do me next!!

I miss 1989. I miss 1996. Please make me miss another season in 2008.

by Chaim Witz on Dec 9, 2008 1:56 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that would surprise me too

I think Cruz might just get a start in th OF come opening day.

However, nothing really surprises me anymore. I figured we’d might trade Laird, just not for this garbage of pitching prospects. I really thought we’d have held on to Laird or at least put a trade togather later. JD jumped to gun way to quick and really didn’t do good at all on this trade.

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I am a Ranger fan...

…and did NOT harbor high expectations for the return on a trade of OMFT.

by T Coleman on Dec 8, 2008 9:35 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

an inexpensive everyday catcher

they get and a experienced catcher at that… and we do the salary dump which apparently was to expensive for us. Goes to show what the Rangers management thinking is all about. Detroit thinks Laird is an inexpensive catcher and Texas thinks he’s to expensive. Laird was worth more that this and JD got screwed again.

I hate to see Laird be traded for this. I think this trade was bad. We’re taking a huge chance on two low level prospects all because we’re such a fucking cheap ass. IMO it’s all because we don’t want to fork over the 3 mil to Laird. We lose a experienced catcher for two prospect pitchers that will evidently be nothing.

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 9:48 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i'll bite

evident to who?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really?

This was simply a cost-cutting move? And had nothing to do with the fact the Rangers have three young major-league ready catchers, all of whom have the potential to be a lot better than Laird, and who needed Laird out of the way to get playing time?

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Dec 8, 2008 9:51 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but it wasn't cost cutting for Detroit

why is it always cost cutting when it comes to us? I don’t begrudge TT or Salty moving forward. But, my goodness, we damn sure didn’t get what Laird is worth in this trade. Why couldn’t JD have waited and maybe put Laird in a package for something better?

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 10:06 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

in a package?

like packaging him with one of our young pitchers?

i think this trade was made with the concerns that you have in mind. they wanted to trade laird and get good value, not try to make this into a bigger trade that ended up costing them prospects.

and I think they got pretty good value for Laird. People thought moscoso could make it to the majors in 2009. that’s not a bad deal for someone like Laird – who has the potential to be slightly above average but doesn’t really have the track record (or age or injury history or consistency) such that you can sell him as above average.

the more i think about it, the more i think the rangers did really well here, given what the objective was.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 10:10 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have to suspect...

…some folks in Detroit are wondering why they didn’t package Moscoso and Mole or whatever the 17 year old’s name is for someone better than Laird.

This is sort of like all the “why couldn’t we have packaged a couple of other pitchers to send to the Reds instead of Volquez to get Hamilton?” talk earlier this year.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 8, 2008 10:13 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Mole

really? Don’t you think you would have remembered if his name was Mole? Wouldn’t you already me calling him Guac

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 10:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I can just imagine Lewin saying “Boy, Mole is getting whacked out there”

"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland

by chrisR on Dec 9, 2008 1:50 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but it wasn’t cost cutting for Detroit

why is it always cost cutting when it comes to us?

The cost cutting was just icing on the cake.

by Keynes on Dec 8, 2008 10:55 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

heh

as rccook said, trading laird is about salty/teagarden, not money.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2008 9:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heh.

So did anybody else hear that 105.3 changed formats today to sports, fired Russ Martin, and put in Ben and freakin’ Skin on drivetime? Oofa. Now that’s a ratings crotchkick waiting to happen.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2008 9:50 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And 3 hours of Kevin Scott

who couldn’t beat Craig effin’ Way in Austin?

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 8, 2008 9:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

I’ve never heard Craig Way, but Kevin Scott does a fine job…doing tickers. The Throwdown is unlistenable.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2008 9:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well

My assumption is that they decided they liked doing full-time, which they couldn’t get at the Ticket. Also, if I remember correctly, one of them worked at CBS (I think) but changed his mind about radio.

by brettgardner on Dec 8, 2008 9:59 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ben and Skin

like brett said really couldn’t get much air time

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 10:11 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ah, now I get it.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 10:12 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

holy hell

That’s awesome. I would find myself listening to Russ’s shtick but the way he treats Gavin he deserved to be fired.

3 Sports Talk stations in one market? Seriously? Ben & Skin afternoon drive? haha.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 8, 2008 10:30 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I liked listening to Skin on the Mavs.

Fire Todd Dodge. Seriously. 45 given up in the 1st quarter. Wow. But still we're better than Washington! Oh and, SUCK IT WESTERN KENTUCKY! 1-10 baby!

by sprite on Dec 8, 2008 10:42 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's about

all they’re good for.

I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.

by TheBZA on Dec 8, 2008 11:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That

is not going to be successful at all.

Apparently some people think this is all an attempt for CBS to try to steal the Cowboys’ right from the Ticket.

The Hardline is going to murder Ben and Skin….it won’t be pretty.

I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles

by Dirk Diggler on Dec 9, 2008 7:41 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome.....

Ben & Skin is greatness!!

The Hardline is becoming almost unlistenable with them basically having entertainment news almost every segment now……sigh.

The Michael Irvin show is still the worst show on radio anywhere in the world!!!!!!!!!

i like baseball too

by bspate on Dec 9, 2008 10:45 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it may be wishful thinking

but i really hope we can fill in enough talent around blalock to make a serious run at sanchez. moscoso could be the pitcher. who else do we need. i have suggested Vallejo elsewhere. he is a top ten prospect in some farm systems, and he is coming off a career year in the minors.

i have no idea how they value sanchez, but if they are seriously talking to the marlins about cantu, then perhaps he isn’t as valuable to them as i would have thought.

by clark on Dec 8, 2008 10:16 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cruz

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 8, 2008 10:17 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Might?

Of course you do that. Because while it’s extremely unlikely, Brian Sabean might be that stupid.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 8, 2008 10:56 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it depends on what you expect from Cruz

i really think he could put up ludwick-esque numbers this year and for all the years he is still under team control, while playing plus RF defense. i also think blalock could rebound, have a solid year, and net some draft picks. i am not sure what i would add to that deal, but it wouldn’t be much.

by clark on Dec 8, 2008 11:20 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Or he could just as easily...

revert back to the nellie Cruz we have witnessed the past three years. A guy that plays lights out for small stretches and then goes back to below mediocrity for long stretches. Im all for giving him a shot but if packaging him for a top young pitcher is how he best helps this club then you have to do it and not look back

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yep

Cruz has some value after all his minor league HR’s and string September, but I don’t think it’s a ton of value. He’s still just as much of a wildcard as ever, IMO – I think mayb we’ve all gotten our hopes on him up a little too high going into 2009. Not saying he doesn’t deserve every chance to succeed, but we shouldn’t expect him to.

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

btw

i am definitely not in mourning

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 8, 2008 10:19 PM CST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah but one win this sunday and things are all good again in cowboy land

laird is gone forever. sob.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 8, 2008 10:25 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well you need to get busy making a Shed Golson Gif to break that out of that sad state...

I know you are sad that you lost your 2 scoop man, but think of all the great GIF opportunities out there….

Shed Golson

The Mole Moscoso

Cheer up… it will be OK…

by laxtonto on Dec 8, 2008 10:46 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm glad

someone approached dshep on it, I’m new here and didn’t feel right by it.

thanks laxtonto

Freddie King rules faces.

by Ryin A on Dec 8, 2008 10:54 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not so good in Cowboy Land

Yikes !

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jerry-Jones-is-apparently-tougher-than-Marion-Ba?urn=nfl,127609

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Dec 8, 2008 11:14 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

+1

I had a little celebration last night when I moved Laird off my playstation 2 Rangers roster and onto the Tigers. I put on “Bye bye” (the Phil Vassar version, not the Jo Dee Messina version) and did this in front of my TV:

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 8, 2008 11:00 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now that's a Laird squat

looks like a good squat stretch to me

by cowpoke on Dec 8, 2008 11:03 PM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Melo

is long? Sheesh.

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 9, 2008 9:39 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I thought we settled on CarMelo

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 AM CST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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