LSB Community Prospect Project: #22
by thedirkatron on Dec 9, 2008 7:52 AM CST
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PrintAfter 198 votes, Thomas Diamond has won the right to be called the LSB Community #21 prospect!.
The list so far:
1. LHP, Derek Holland
2. RHP, Neftali Feliz
3. 1b, Justin Smoak
4. RHP, Michael Main
5. SS, Elvis Andrus
6. C, Taylor Teagarden
7. C, Maximiliano Ramirez
8. LHP, Martin Perez
9. OF, Julio Borbon
10. RHP, Eric Hurley
11. OF, Engel Beltre
12. RHP, Blake Beavan
13. RHP, Wilfredo Boscan
14. RHP, Neil Ramirez
15. LHP, Kasey Kiker
16. 2b, Jose Vallejo
17. RHP, Wilmer Font
18. RHP, Omar Poveda
19. LHP, Robbie Ross
20. RHP, Tommy Hunter
21. RHP, Thomas Diamond
Time to move on to the vote for #22.
The polls are open, so go ahead and vote in the poll at the bottom and feel free to make any suggestions and/or criticisms in the comments below.
And please don't hesitate to tell me you want on the list for next time.
NOTE: There has been some speculation as to what the criteria are for this vote. Should guys who have spent time in the bigs be involved in "prospect" discussions? For the sake of this exercise we're taking what the guys have done in the big leagues and using the BA prospect formula of 130 AB's or 50 ip. If a guy is under those limits, he's still a prospect and he goes on the poll. It's that simple.
Resources:
- MJH's prospect previews for the DMN Blog:
- 11 Weeks of FFG (Prelude to Prospects Lists below)
- RH Starters 1-5
- RH Starters 6-10
- RH Starters 11-15
- LH Starters 1-5
- LH Starters 6-10
- Relievers 1-5
- Catchers
- Outfielders
- Jason Parks and Joey Matschulat's Top 25 list from their excellent Rangers' site, BBTiA.com.
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Joe Wieland.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
You spelled "Lemon" wrong.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Heh
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
Oh, yes. It's finally time. Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yup.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
by thedirkatron on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 AM CST reply actions 4 recs
Haha
REC
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
yep
again
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
Wieland for me
then Murphy, though really that’s a coin flip.
G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....
Golson
did anyone notice that Golson is meeting with Jaramillo in the coming weeks. Let us all imagine a post-Jaramillo Golson…Drool.
+1
i voted for ’shed
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
You know it
Freddie King rules faces.
by Cecilio's Guante on Dec 9, 2008 10:00 PM CST up reply actions
Moscoso
What was decided regarding adding him to the poll? Is this too low?
"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"
separate poll at end of top 30
ranking acquisitions
Wieland
I have a feeling he’s going to be a lot more than your average Joe next year.
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
turrible
I'm undefeated in fights. Have I been in any? No. Thats because people know my f'ing status. Don't mess with the elite. - Miles
+1
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by inactive lsb user on Dec 9, 2008 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Murphy
I had a paper route when I was a kid. I was supposed to go to 2,000 houses. Or two dumpsters.
No maddog?
I an amazed he is not getting more votes. The guys has been pitching for only 3 years, was rushed to the ML last year, and did great except for his initial outing in NY. Maddog will be in our pen for a long time as a 7th inning guy.
"That one is headed for the moon!" - All Star Derby
He's my vote after Lemon... though it appears I'll be voting Lemon for a long time here. :(
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Yah
Know how you feel.
Vote your conscience!
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 9, 2008 9:24 AM CST up reply actions
Phenom Phodder ...
Kyle O’Campo – 6’3" 195 lbs. His last 10 appearances in the AZRL …
3.00 ERA, 39.0 IP, 45 K’s, 15 BB’s, 36 hits – season overall — 1.55 GO/AO ratio, .249 BAA
Carlos Pimentel – 6’3" 180 lbs. – same build as Carlos Melo, BTW. His last 10 appearances for SPO …
2.98 ERA, 42.1 IP, 39 K’s, 19 BB, 31 hits – season overall — 0.56 GO/AO ratio [ouch], .204 BAA
If you think GO/AO is important in our ballpark then this is a guy who you want building trade value while he’s on the farm. The tidbit of nat’l hype he got helps, too.
Kennil Gomez – 6’3" 170 lbs – that build sound familiar?
Last 10 appearances, remember he might have been in pain some here …
3.33 ERA, 54.0 IP, 44 K’s, 17 BB, 48 hits — season overall — 2.08 GO/AO [!!], .232 BAA
This guy is no joke. IIRC, Z liked him best to graduate from CLN before he got shutdown.
Here’s to his ’09 health.
Gomez
Yeah, if his stuff is pretty solid as we’ve been told, we’re talking about a guy who was having similar success at Clinton as Feliz and Holland and who was only 19. As you said, similar (listed, anyway) dimensions as mr projectable, Joe Wieland, so you figure there’s some room to get stronger. Seems like it’s all about health. Just think, if Holland had had arm soreness scuttle his season before he promoted to Bakersfield, would we even be talking much about him? Hopefully Gomez is healthy.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 10:18 AM CST up reply actions
re: "we’re talking about a guy who was having similar success at Clinton as Feliz and Holland"
Clinton tRA’s:
Neftali Feliz: 2.88
Derek Holland: 3.23
Kennil Gomez: 4.79
I know there’s been a massive backlash against fancy boy stats lead by Tricer and GDawg who say that you make your own luck and that ERA and Wins are the only way to judge a pitcher, but I’m just saying is all…
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Agree with you here.
Gomez wasn’t as impressive as people think. He was good, but not as good as the other two.
wrong
When you are talking about minor league pitchers, I think fielding independent stats are a lot more valuable. You don’t have the specific data on their pitches and results (i.e. velocity, movement, swing%, etc.) and can’t analyze them too much given the data available.
I also think that with Major League players, they have a lot of value. The problem is that you were specifically talking about Millwood. You’re talking about a pitcher who has seen his stuff get worse these past few years, wasn’t showing great control, wasn’t striking out a lot of guys, wasn’t keeping the ball in the park much better than everyone else, and was giving up a ton of line drives. The guy simply wasn’t that good and the defense was secondary in him having another poor year.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
IP H HR BB SO GO/AO AVG
88.0 75 8 20 70 2.08 .232
Whatever, that is a nice season for a 19/20 year old in full season ball (who, as Jason said, did make a fairly big jump to this level). If “luck” independent stats don’t blur that for you, good. If they do, you need to take a step back.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 6:48 PM CST up reply actions
I don't doubt him.
I’m more worried about the health factor than the stats. If he’s healthy, I think he’s a big plus for the organization, especially since he proved he can adjust extremely well. I don’t think his opponents’ .273 BABIP is going to stick, but I also don’t think he’s going to stagnate either. He’s going to improve if he stays healthy, and I hope he does.
I think he had a nice season, too.
I just found his tRA interesting, epsecially comped to those other two “mortals”.
But it’s all your fault, Zebra Cakes.
You’re the one who invoked the names of the hallowed two ;)
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
I'll use
pseudonyms or something next time.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Or maybe just don't Gomez to 'em.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
gomez
my breakout prospect for 2009
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
Okay.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
There are two kinds of men in this world: Men who make jump throws, and men who wish that they were Derek Jeter so that they could make jump throws.
Moreland
MJH believes he will end up as a closer.
Mitch Moreland - Rangers 2009 Minor League Player of the Year
I voted for...
5-1, 43.2 ip, 32 hits, 41/8 k/bb, 1.44 era, and 0.92 whip
Nothing new but interesting:
Q: Bryan from San Francisco asks:
What are the Rangers feelings on Joe Wieland? What type of ceiling does he have and how quickly do you think he’ll move? Thanks!
A:
Aaron Fitt: The Rangers love Wieland — by this time next year, he could be in the top 10. I really believe he’ll take off in 2009. He’s ultra-projectable and already throws in the 90-93 range, but I suspect he’ll add velocity before it’s all said and done. He’s a strike-thrower with an advanced feel for pitching, and his curveball projects as a second plus pitch. His feel for pitching at a young age, easy arm action and projection are similar to Martin Perez and Wilfredo Boscan. That’s an impressive wave of pitching talent at the lower levels of the system.
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
I like multiple waves of pitching talent
Simply one wave is nice, of course. But already our second wave (Feliz, Holland, Main) appears that it could be stronger than the first wave (Danks, Volquez, Hurley, Diamond). And the third wave of these guys further out (Perez, NeRa, Wieland, Boscan, Font) looks like it could be a big one as well.
Coach Joe!
or somesuch…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
Moreland
We have a very faithful yet ungrowing contingent of Moreland voters. Bring the power back to the position prospects!
"You taste like a burger. I don't like you anymore."
Despite Madrigal only being a reliever...
I have a tough time seeing anyone else above him at this point…he’s got his cup of coffee and for the most part succeeded. How many of these prospects could only hope for that?
I voted for Wieland
But I might consider Greg Golson in the next poll (assuming Wieland wins). Golson’s tools make him a strong candidate to be the next Gerald Laird.
Oh, great Gerald. Where art thou these days?
"Yeah, like I had a chance there" - Lancaster batter, after striking out against Derek Holland
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