Joel Sherman on Rangers rumors

Millwood

If they can move him, great, but I would rather replace his salary with Sheets and his 20-25 starts than Wood and his mediocre relieving.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Dec 9, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

wood aint so bad

Although he’d probably be shelled in Arlington

by SullyBaseball on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Until he got hurt ....

by Athos on Dec 9, 2008 5:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

All Time Rangers Team...

I compare the All Time Rangers home grown and acquired team… would love to get some Rangers fan feed back on it

Here.

by SullyBaseball on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_MLB.aspx?rwr=1

The Marlins reportedly remain interested in trading for Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Taylor Teagarden, but they may not be prepared to give up the “frontline” starter the Rangers desire.

They’d be more up for trading Anibal Sanchez than Chris Volstad, Ricky Nolasco or Josh Johnson. The Marlins are also believed to be interested in Max Ramirez, whose price tag wouldn’t be as high. The Rangers are thought to be interested in Jonathan Sanchez, who the Marlins have been trying to get for Jorge Cantu. However, odds are that nothing will happen on that front. The Marlins will probably have to look elsewhere for a catcher.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

max for anibel?

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How about a three team trade?

One of our catchers to FLA, Sanchez to TEX, and Cantu to SF.

I think FLA would have to throw in some one else but that seems like a reasonable deal.

by coolaid on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

um

that’s exactly what they are suggesting and trying to do.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not getting the Jonathan Sanchez love

Does he really project any higher than Tommy Hunter?

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yes, quite a bit better projection

Sanchez was striking out about 9 per 9 in the ML, while Hunter was striking out less than 5 per 9 in AA/AAA.

Here is a nice summary of why some people see sanchez as a breakout candidate.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i know you are a huge fan of Max Ramirez, and I too believe in the value of his right handed bat as a potential DH candidate in the future, but if the Marlins offer Anibal Sanchez for him, would you take it? Sanchez is a guy who featured a fastball in the low to mid 90’s with a good change up and curveball before his injury, and because he struggled with his command in his return from TJ last season (which is completely common) it seems like he is being discounted.

by clark on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Anibal Sanchez

I don’t think Anibal Sanchez ever threw in the mid-90s.

The knock on him was that he was a finesse pitcher.

by Adam J. Morris on Dec 9, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you are right

I found this in an article from ’06:

…working with a 91 mph fastball, a curveball, slider and changeup. He’s considered by his teammates as the nicest guy on the Marlins.

at least he’s a nice guy.

by clark on Dec 9, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that would be tough

I wouldn’t love that deal, but wouldn’t hate it either. I’m not sure.

Anibel, I believe is a low 90’s guy that features both curve and slider, as well as the good change that you mention. I’d hate to see Max go, that’s for sure, but Sanchez is a guy that I like, and might be discounted like you say.

Which would you rather have:

Max and Bowden or Salty and Anibel? Pretty tough decision for me.

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Sanchez or Miller?

apparently the team is unwilling to guarentee Miller a spot as a starter next year, and he pitched much of the second half in the bullpen this year. both guys strike me as decent buy low guys.

by clark on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i liked miller a lot before he got traded.

mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.

by Jayslick on Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Miller isn't available

by JBImaknee on Dec 9, 2008 5:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

tough question

Max and Bowden or Salty and Anibel?

but i would say the latter.

by clark on Dec 9, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i don't think the rangers want salty

they can find a place for max as a DH or spot 1B but i dont’ think they want to do that with Salty

but that all hinges on teagarden being able to be the everyday catcher from here on out.

I think Max/Bowden would be fine

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

He didn’t say Andrew Miller.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 9, 2008 9:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oops.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 9, 2008 9:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'd much rather have Sheets

than Wood.

by Mike E on Dec 9, 2008 3:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2008/12/09/buchholz-coveted-by-teams/

LAS VEGAS — Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein said while walking through the Bellagio Hotel that in conversations with most team, the names that are brought up the most by potential trade partners are Justin Masterson, Lars Anderson, and Clay Buchholz, who seems to have drawn the most interest. "In our minds he’s a top of the rotation starter who we control for six years," said Epstein. "He’s a very big piece and we value him tremendously."

I think this is the first I’ve seen Theo go on the record explicitly about Buchholz this winter.

That said, what else is he going to say?

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Still don't believe?

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 6:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hehehe

Where there’s a will, there’s a way.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn.

I really thought Theo would say, “Buchholz? He sucks. He’s a useless turd that we can’t wait to unload. If somebody offers me a batboy in A ball, I’m sellin’ that bitch!”

Guess I misread him.

by Athos on Dec 9, 2008 9:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Millwood

didn’t he lose 15 lbs last year as well?

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Didn't

look like it to me. He’s a softy

"Holland didn’t make that kid question his swing, he made him question his career path"

by trident on Dec 9, 2008 3:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yep

lost it and then found it when he turned around and looked at his a**

"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"

Tom Hicks

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs

lol

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 9, 2008 3:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That kickboxing routine really paid off!

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 9, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"

Tom Hicks

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

$5

says Vazquez has a great year in Atlanta.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 9, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

you gotta wonder if losing weight is going to cut it.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That was the hype.

Then he came out and was as shitty as ever. I would love to see him traded.

by Athos on Dec 9, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+ 1

"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"

Tom Hicks

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Per Keith Law

In a recent chat when asked about NYY Kennedy adding a curveball this offseason.

" ‘player X has a new pitch / has been working out / is in the best shape of his life / wants to steal 40 bases’ story that you hear every offseason and need to learn to ignore like the white noise that they actually are."

by gr7070 on Dec 9, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I can't think

of one benefit of trading Millwood or Padilla.

"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner

by red shoe ranger on Dec 9, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

saves money you can spend on sheets

open up a spot for a young guy

Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.

by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

opening up a spot for a young guy

honestly, you don’t need to do that if the guy you are trading actually pitches really well and you can see them being part of your future.

i wouldn’t necessarily mind millwood/padilla anchoring the rotation with young guys circling through the other spots.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*anchoring the rotation

aka as bring it down

Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball

by willamos2 on Dec 9, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

they know how to pitch decent

and they will usually get you through 5 innings. that’s not a bad thing to have

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*decently

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Nolan speaks:

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/nolan-ryan-speaks.html

and http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/ryan-talks-about-sheets.html

" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 9, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

We all listen.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

One of my best friends is a Mets fan.

I’m torturing her with this.

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Dec 9, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

with what?

baseball talk? odd.

W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."

by hubcityraider on Dec 9, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The prospect of trading for Michael Young.

She definitely does not want.

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Dec 9, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What the hell?

Big name ticket Kerry Wood? We can find plenty of Kerry Wood’s in our system for what he does.

Also why do people keep commenting on Milwood’s weight as if thats some indication on how he will fare?

Heavy or Light, the guy sucks ass.

by SaltyGoesYard on Dec 9, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs

I wanted Wood cheap last year...I said it all last offseason

and now he’s expensive…pisses me off.

"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005

by Agreen07 on Dec 9, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

So many jokes in that statement...

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008

by Rodney on Dec 9, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

lol, yes

I think i’m gonna rec it.

"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract

by tyd3311 on Dec 9, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

REC

well said sir!

concur with all of the above.

"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"

Tom Hicks

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

e-REC it

by Wemedge on Dec 9, 2008 7:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wood

Good candidate for a 1+1 and probably land ‘A’ status each year. Also, late inning relief is very valuable at the deadline.

by mattrpav on Dec 9, 2008 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wood appears to be off the market

a two year deal with the Indians. I am a little relieved, as this team didn’t need to spend its limited resources on a closer with a history of injuries.

I’d rather have the starter with a history of injuries.

by clark on Dec 9, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

heh

while that sounds bad, wholeheartedly agree

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Middle Relief

“There’s a premium put on middle relief because of the way starters are handled. Most teams hope they’ll get five innings or maybe six, so you have to rely on middle relief to get to the closer. I believe every time you go to the bullpen you increase the chance that one of those guys is off. I think we’ve shot ourselves in the foot with all these one inning pitchers. If a guy can get through the order once, leave him in there. It would save your bullpen and you have more guys for later. It’s a shifting of how you see your bullpen in the game.”

Interesting. I certainly would like to see the club get away from pegging someone as 7th or 8th inning guy.

Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!

by DerekSTheRed on Dec 9, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

I don't care about the 7th or 8th inning guys

if you are talking about a bullpen like the Angels were working with last year. You have guys that you can count on to shut down the game for the last 3 innings of the game. I do think that you shouldn’t set that in stone and constantly pitch guys on back-back-back days because its their role. If a guy is dealing, its okay to leave him in for one more inning.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 9, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OT, but boy did this make me lol.

It looks like Chicago GM Ken Williams has done it again, and he may have fleeced the Braves pretty handily on this one, getting one of the best young catching prospects around for relatively little in return.

sauce

And That Happened: Sports with a Hint of Sarcasm

by philkid3 on Dec 9, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

lol

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What if...

the Rangers went into full blown rebuilding mode? If someone was willing to take on MY’s deal (which would be more likely if he recieved 20 of his 80 million up front), and they were able to deal Millwood, Padilla, and Blalock as well. If that were to happen it would be seen as a fire sale so there aren’t going to be a lot of huge prospects coming back. However let’s say the Rangers dealt those 4 guys and recieved 6 or 7 decent prospects in return. You combine that with what the farm already looks like and…

I know ‘09 would really suck, and the Rangers would look like the Marlins after they won a World Series, but this team would still have Hamilton, Kinsler, Davis, and Salty/Teagarden to bulild around on top of everyone on the way. Plus, think of the financial flexibility this team would have. I’m too lazy to do the #’s, but what would the payroll be if those 4 guys were gone? 2010 would be the year JD could go out and sign a FA or two that would really help the team because the payroll would allow it. What sucks is that if you do that it would be impossibe to convince a guy like Sheets to sign this year with a rebuilding team in a hitter friendly park.

The Rangers want to try and stay respectable and rebuild at the same time, I understand that. How many more wins do you think MY, Millwood, Padilla, and Blalock are worth though? I know they aren’t worth enough to get us to the playoffs. So why not free up that salary space so the Rangers can sign the guys they need to when they are ready to make a playoff run plus get a few players in return that may help? I just wonder if going all in (rebuilding) would be the better option for this team right now.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 6:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

sign me up!

The most glaring problem would be who’s going to be the guy who can possibly pitch 200 innings.. if Millwood and Padilla are both dealt… you’re left with a lot of relatively unproven guys. The bullpen would be spent in about 2 months.

"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"

Tom Hicks

by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They come off the books in 2010 anyhow

Rangers have a club option for 2010, so if they don’t want him after 2009, no problem.
Blalock’s contract is done after 2009
Frankie Cat has a 2010 option that won’t be exercised.
Millwood has production guarantees (not sure if he’s there yet; I’m checking) to secure 2010.

So most of the guys you talk about come off the books in 2010 anyhow. Kinsler and MY (maybe Milly) are the only significant contracts in 2010 as it stands now.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Millwood's 2010 contract vesting option

I checked, and what I came up with is that Millwood needs 180 innings in 2009 to vest the 2010 option (his other IP vesting clauses are all more than the 2009 clause). It will be interesting to see how he’s handled in 2009. Does Wash pull him at the drop of a hat to keep him from 180 (not a huge risk since he was short of 180 in both 07 and 08).

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

If Wash pulls him specifically for that reason, and the players’ union can prove there were discussions along this line, then Millwood could win a claim for his 2010 option to vest. You can’t even discuss something like that, because it has serious implications.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah

and i don’t’ think coaches are willing participants in stuff like that for the most part

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Some Are

Some coaches push for something like that more than front offices, depending on how they like the player. If they want that guy gone, they’ll do anything in their power to do so.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 6:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

shrug

I don’t know what they do, but it will certainly be interesting to watch this season. Nothing better than unfounded conspiracy theories. By the way, this one’s mine © in case someone mentions it in a GDT.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 7:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hehe

I’ll definitely be keeping an eye on that as well.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It won't happen

Wash is a player’s coach. He won’t stiff a player of playing time like that.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 9, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fudge

The first entry should say that the “Rangers have a club option for Padilla in 2010.”

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 6:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I realize...

most of those guys are coming of the books in 2010 anyway. So why not get them off a year earlier and save that much more $ for 2010 while getting a couple guys that can help in ’10 in exchange for them. The rotation would be pretty scary, but are Millwood and Padilla going to lead us on a playoff chase in ’09?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The question becomes...

Is getting them off the books a year early worth the possible cost of rushing your prospects? If your depth is whittled down because of Millwood and Padilla leaving, and you don’t get anyone to help immediately in those spots, we could find ourselves having to use Feliz and/or Holland, or maybe someone else, earlier than planned, and even though I have very high confidence in their ability to deal with adversity, it’s not worth that chance.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 7:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rushing young kids...

Like Holland and Feliz sholdn’t be an issue.

That’s where guys like Hunter, Hurley, Feldman, Nippert, etc would come in. I know it would be a scary rotation in ’09, believe me, but it might be best to find out what those guys can do in ’09 rather than in ’10.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:47 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries

If we have the same luck on injuries as we’ve had of late, then we’ll dipping a lot farther into the pool than those guys.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 7:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok...

but you also have to consider that they would get back at least 1 or 2 decent starting pitcher prospects (if they dealt Millwood, Padilla, and Blalock) that could be used if need be as well. Plus, I would hope that the Rangers pitching wouldn’t have to go through all the injuries that they did last year. Will there be injuries, of course, but there shouldn’t be that many again.

Feliz and Holland shouldn’t be rushed under and circumstances.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Decent

But at what level?

Personally I don’t think Padilla and Millwood will get you a decent major league ready starting pitching prospect. I think you could possibly get a nice young pitching prospect but I think the closer to the bigs you go the further down the potential list you get.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ok...

for example. Say the Braves sign Burnett. They could still use some rotation help with Hudson out all year.

Will they go all in and try to win th NL East and do a Millwood for Jo-Jo Reyes? Those are the kind of deals I would be looking at for Millwood or Padilla. Now would the Braves do that? I don’t know.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No the Braves don't do that

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Alright...

fine, then the Rangers will just have to settle for Jurrjens.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You're delusional

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I was obviously joking.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Its hard to tell with you on this conversation

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No, it's not.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong...

just because you don’t agree with me doesn’t make it hard to follow.

Lose the superior asshole atttitude.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Alright

First you ask would the Braves give up Jo Jo Reyes for Millwood. When I politely tell you no they won’t you respond with I guess they will have to settle for Jurrgens. Sorry if I couldn’t tell you were trying to be funny.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"Tell"

You don’t know anything. It’s all just opinion.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Injuries

Getting rid of Millwood and Padilla, while maybe not the best starters in the world have combined to average about 60 starts per year the last three years. Thats 1/3 of the season. Take that away and you are putting alot, and I mean alot, of pressure on young, unproven, injury prone guys to carry the load. McCarthy, Mendoza, Gabbard, Hurley, Harrison have all missed pretty significant chunks of time the last couple years with injuries. While it would be nice to see them go a whole year with none if you are planning on that then you are not doing a good job planning.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 7:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I never said...

I was planning on everyone of those guys to be healthy all year.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How does that open up more money in 2010?

They are coming off anyway. Taking it off now or after 2009 doesn’t make a bit of difference for 2010

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Saving

If you save extra money in 2009, it carries into 2010. I think that’s what he means.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 7:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It doesn't

If they budget 70 million this year and only spend 50 do you really think that if 2010s budget is 75 million they will spend 95 because they have an extra 20 million lying around? No it doesn’t work like that. Because then in 2011 either you have to raise the budget to 100 or so or you have to cut payroll again.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Depends

If you’re spending a good chunk of money on 1 or 2 year deals, then it’s less of an impact year-to-year. But I do agree with what you’re saying. The one difference it could make, however, is an increase in the amount you spend in the draft or international signings. I’d be happy to spend $5 million less on major league payroll in 2009 if that meant we could use it in June for slot-busting or July for the higher-end guys.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I wasn't suggesting...

that saving 20 million in ’09 meant they would spend an extra 20 million in ’10.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

Then how does dumping Millwood and Padilla now clear extra money in 2010 when they would be off the books anyway?

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Perhaps extra...

was the wrong word.

What I meant was that they may be more likely to go after a FA in ’10 had they trimmed the payroll down in ’09.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

But next year is not nearly as good a free agent class as this years is. Especially pitching wise. This may be the only time in the next decade where there are as many quality young arms available on the open market.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

For example...

if Millwood or Padilla was traded last year they would be able to go after Sheets full force now and not have to worry about dealing one of them if they were able to sign him.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

But thats not the same

In your example the Rangers were expecting to pay Millwood and Padilla in 2008 but didn’t have to because they traded them. Yeah they could go after a FA because they had an unexpected opening in their budget.

But if they aren’t planning on paying Millwood and Padilla in 2010 how will that create an unexpected budget opening? They expect to have that money available next winter.

You still aren’t making any sense

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Wrong...

I’m making perfect sense. I fully expect Millwood to hit his innings clause and be signed in ‘10 and I also expect Padilla’s option to be picked up for ’10 considering his salary is pretty good compared to what starters are going for right now.

It’s not that difficult to follow.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

OK

That is the first time in this entire discussion you mention anything about you believing they will both have their options picked up or vested. That makes your argument at least make a little sense. Because in that case then yes it would create room in 2010. Maybe you should articulate those finer points next time before coming on here trying to tell me how not paying guys this year is going to give us more money next year when those guys aren’t on the payroll.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

he was operating under the assumption that Millwood will be back — which is correct — unless the Rangers choose otherwise.

Cots says

club may elect to keep Millwood even if he fails to hit IP totals

.

I agree with SLC — I’ve seen enough of Millwood. I know what he is.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have no problem...

articulating my opinion. Perhaps you just have a problem understanding it.

For example : “fine, then the Rangers will just have to settle for Jurrjens.” Why would anyone settle on Jurrjens rather than Reyes, Jurrjens is clearly the better prospect.

I also think that it’s fairly obvious Padilla will have his option picked up unless he implodes or is hurt. If Millwood is healthy he will also hit his clause imo. Next time I’ll make sure I include every little detail when speaking with you.

This is going nowhere. I do appologize for calling you an asshole.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 8:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No need to apologize

But I don’t think its a foregone conclusion that either of them will have their options picked up or vested for next year. And as has been mentioned in other threads if they do then i think that means they will have pitched good enough for you to want them on this team in 2010.

Your opinion on their options would have made a huge difference in the way I read your initial comment.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Total Rebuild

At this point, I see no reason to do this. While I recognize that the team is unlikely to contend next season getting rid of all the vets would likely make this team one of the worst in the AL. It would further erode the fan base. If you could trade some of those guys for a Tex like return then perhaps you consider gutting the team, but none are likely to fetch much that we don’t already have. I say no thanks.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Dec 9, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

JD

Would not leave the team that exposed….he probably would not have a job the next year.

I could see us doing some of that….but We would have to replace at least 1 of those rotation guys with a vetran like Sheets.

by death of the cool on Dec 9, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Rumors....

I would like to see us deal Millwood and sign Sheets, however we take the risk of dealing Millwood and having Sheet take another deal….then we are left with a very young shaky rotation (could it get worse than last year?)

It looks like Wood will sign with Cleveland, but I still see us signing a high up-side relief guy to a 1 year deal….like JD did with Gagne. Those guys seem to get some value at the deadline.

Finally I don’t see Young being delt, but I would be willing to listen to offers….oh would I listen.

by death of the cool on Dec 9, 2008 6:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

According to a source, the Yankees will offer Ben Sheets a multiyear deal – most likely for two years in the $26 million range – before the winter meetings conclude on Thursday.

Link

How bad would it suck if he signed with the Yankees for two years $26 million?

by coolaid on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

If that was the case...

the Rangers better damn well jump in and offer him 3/45. That would be a bargin for Sheets.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It wouldn't take that much

3/$35m would do it. Especially if you added a fourth year with a $15m vesting option. At least I would think that would do it.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what?

If he is getting offered 2/26 (13 per) why would 3/35 (12.67 per) get it done? Unless he signs a one year deal this is probably the last chance he has to get a big contract. If he signed a 2 year deal he would be a free agent again at the age of 32. Not old but definitely not 30 like he is now. Plus thats 2 years of potential injury which with his history is a big risk on his part. If he signed a 3 year deal then he would be a FA again at 33 which is even worse for him.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So you think that extra $330,000 per year

trumps $9mm guaranteed? And teams will be knocking his door down when he’s 32, but not when he’s 33? C’mon, man.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think he feels he can get a 9 mil contract at 32 years old

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

If he doesn't go Dravecky at some point during that 2-year contract

But every ML pitcher knows that’s a very real possibility. That’s why you take the guaranteed money, unless the reward doesn’t match the risk. $9mm is substantial.

by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

9 mm

Yes it is substantial but the guy has made over 40 million in his career to this date. Ben Sheets doesn’t strike me as the kind that would make a decision based strictly on 9 million dollars when in two years he will have career earnings of almost 70 million no matter which deal he signs. Just personal opinion

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

new rangers.com article on sheets being a possibility

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081209&content_id=3709081&vkey=news_tex&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex&partnerId=rss_tex

im very glad they are at least considering it.

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by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

this is somethign interesting that i wasn't anticipating

i feel like nolan ryan has dropped enough hints at this point that he’s pretty interested in sheets (without flat out saying it and compromising bargaining position).

in the past, we’ve seen that JD will work within the confines of the budget hicks gives him without saying anything about it. I wonder if the same can be said about Ryan – might he not voice some velied opposition to hicks not opening up his wallet to get sheets?

or, conversely, might hicks be more open to opening up the wallet for sheets?

I know we’ve heard past stories about hicks bidding high on certain free agents but he hasn’t really money whipped anybody since JD took over.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Catching Market

Good news. The Diamondbacks have pulled both Chris Snyder and Miguel Montero from the market. Montero was linked specifically to Boston, so maybe there’s a bit of an advantage there for us even more now.

Link.

Mike Grouse Interview - Rangers' Midwest Cross Checker

by Andy Seiler on Dec 9, 2008 6:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Boston catching rumors.

2 things I have seen recently:

1. The D-Backs offered Montero for Bowden and the Sox said no.

2. The Sox have started talking to FA catcher Josh Bard (presumably he wouldn’t have to catch Wakefield).

3. The Braves offered to acquire Laird from Texas and flip him to Boston for Buchholz. It was not reported how much chocolate milk Theo spit out of nose at that one…

"I'd like to f*ck Sandra Bullock." - Pedro Martinez, explaining his secret ambition to Sports Illustrated for Kids.

by OCD SS on Dec 10, 2008 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

#3

Laugh. Out. Loud. and that’s without your joke about the milk.

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by t ball on Dec 10, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

From Perrotto

–The Marlins are trying to trade for Rangers catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and sign right-hander Paul Byrd as a free agent. The Rangers, though, don’t seem inclined to deal Salty after trading catcher Gerald Laird to the Tigers on Monday and definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

From Perrotto

–The Marlins are trying to trade for Rangers catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and sign right-hander Paul Byrd as a free agent. The Rangers, though, don’t seem inclined to deal Salty after trading catcher Gerald Laird to the Tigers on Monday and definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

oops

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

that quote doesn't make sense

who’s not willing to meet the asking price of Volstad? what a terrible sentence. Go learn English before deciding to become a writer, Perrotto.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

Your confusion confuses me. It’s a pretty clear sentence.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

no, it's not

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

It is. Florida has an asking price and Texas definitely won’t meet it.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, I guess he’s just missing the “Florida” in there?

The Rangers, though, don’t seem inclined to deal Salty after trading catcher Gerald Laird to the Tigers on Monday and [Florida] definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

which is also a bit confusing right?

The Rangers are reluctant to deal salty but they have an asking price? So, if Florida deals us Volstad, we’ll deal Salty, yet we are somehow reluctant?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Right

It’s a mess either way. I don’t know which thing he’s trying to say, but I think that he forgot that he started a new sentence with Texas as the subject and was still working off his first point, which was that the Marlins are interested in Salty.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree

so then i guess what he’s saying is that by Texas asking for Volstad, they are acting as if they are “reluctant” to trade Salty.

I wouldn’t consider asking for Volstad reluctance.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, under that premise, Texas is reluctant to deal him and is asking for (in Perrotto’s mind) a ton, and that’s just too much for Florida.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

[Florida]

is Texas.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Then

as ab03 said, it’s a screwed up sentence. Texas wouldn’t be meeting an asking price of Volstad, they would be the ones doing the asking for Volstad at their asking price of Salty.

I think that it’s possible that he could have meant either thing, which is why it’s pretty much a disaster of a sentence.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Huh?

This makes no sense. You’re just assuming that the first and second clauses of that sentence are related when there’s absolutely no proof of that. In fact, it takes a completely strained reading to make that jump.

The Rangers will definitely not meet the Marlins’ asking price for Volstad in part, presumably, because they are not inclined to deal Salty.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not going to argue with you

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

other than

you used the word “for” while he used the word “of” which gives the sentence completely different meaning:

The Rangers will definitely not meet the Marlins’ asking price for Volstad
and definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.

by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ding ding ding

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ah.

You’re right. Apologies.

Of course, you and ab could both be wrong and the Rangers won’t meet the demands of the evil Volstad, who has created his own price.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Laugh out loud

You know your writing is catastrophically bad when its meaning can be parsed into 3 separate and equal interpretations.

Fuck that guy for making a living by taking ours. There, was that ambiguous enough for you? o_O

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs

also

there’s no report that florida is actually shopping volstad and it would be a weird time to bring it up as a footnote to a comment about salty

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

see

you can’t even decide what the right subject is.

I would think it’s Z’s construction, except the problem that i have with it above.

And the problem with your construction:

-Why the hell would Texas not accept Volstad?

- Texas isn’t the one meeting an asking price. Florida is. The trade is for Salty. Texas sets the asking price.

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think

You’ve seriously misunderstood the sentence, and it’s not his fault.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Retracted.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

A shitload of people don’t understand that sentence. The very fact we’re debating it means it’s f’d up.

Nothing pithy here. Please move long.

by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Read the whole exchange.

by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

which Florida pitcher(s)

would you deal Salty for?

Max?

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would not

deal Salty for Max. :)

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

What did Max have to do with that thought? Anything? Does tricer just go around randomly asking the question “Max?” Hmmm…

by hiafex on Dec 10, 2008 4:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

sorry

I was asking the same question twice, once in regards to Salty, once in regard to Max?

Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.

by tricer on Dec 10, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You don't seem

sure of that…

G G G E-flat_______ F F F D__________....

by t ball on Dec 10, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

also

link?

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

my bad

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/unfiltered/?p=1121

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 7:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Jesus...

The Rangers have re-hired Mark Connor as a pitching consultant. Connor was the Rangers pitching coach last season until let go at the end of July and will help out mainly in the Minor Leagues.

This is for Ed:

Rangers manager Ron Washington also said on Tuesday that right now Nelson Cruz is going to be his cleanup hitter. The Rangers appear ready to give him a good look in right field.

link

by coolaid on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

indifferent on the first part.

yay on the second part.

Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012

by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Can't we just lock Hart and Connor in a room together

With like 30 magazines of Golf Digest? Wouldn’t that entertain them for like the whole season or something?

In Smoak We Trust

by Smoak Some on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone ask him where davis will bat

Anyway, regardless of order.. if they are committed to cruz (as they should be) and obviously hamilton.. i guess byrd’s second half gives him the starting job and murph is the 4th OF?

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Don't think so

I think they are going to try and make Byrd the 4th OF this season. You’ll probably see Hamilton DHing while Blalock is on the bench a couple of times and you’ll see Murphy benched at least once a week for a lefty as well as giving Cruz a day off during the week. Everyone stays fresh, everyone plays a lot, and the younger players who are under team control longer get a more defined role. Byrd also doesn’t seem to have a problem rotating around the OF both in being able to do so and being willing to do so.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Dec 9, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

No

I love Murphy as much as anyone but the way Byrd has played the last two years he is going to be an everyday player and he should be. He could become a type A FA with another good season and the manager loves him. Until I hear reports of Cruz playing in a position other than RF I honestly think we will be seeing alot of this OF next year: Murphy, Byrd, Hamilton. Hamilton played 40+ games last year in RF and I expect that number to go up this season. He has mentioned that he doesn’t like to DH, he falls out of rhythm with the game, and so I think we will see alot more Hammy in RF next year. Probably around 60 games or so. With Hank entrenched at DH I think that leaves Cruz as the odd man out. Byrd will be primarily a LF and play CF on days Hammy move to RF. Murphy will platoon in LF and get some time in CF most likely.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

cruz the odd man out

but the source of this discussion line is cruz being the cleanup hitter..

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

When hes playing absolutely

But I think alot of people are going to be upset when it seems like Cruz is being the odd man out next year. Like I said until someone starts reporting Cruz playing either CF or LF I think hes gonna be the one pushed to the bench when hammy needs a day of rest.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Byrd will play every day or

they’ll trade him to another team that wants him as a regular player.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to imagine

that David Murphy and Marlon Byrd are being shopped pretty hard right now.

It would be foolish otherwise.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm surprised there

hasn’t been more chatter about Byrd.

by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Same

I’d be inquiring about him, if I was one of the other 29 GM’s. He would be a low-cost upgrade for a significant number of clubs.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

I think that would be foolish, unless you get a great package for either. No offense to all you Cruz lovers out there but if we trade away a Byrd or Murphy and put essentially all our eggs in Nelson Cruz’s basket thats one big ass gamble. Of those three Cruz has proved the least in the majors. If Cruz comes out and regresses to pre2008 Cruz and we have gotten rid of one of Byrd or Murphy then we are left to fall back to Brandon Boggs to be an everyday player for us. I don’t know how comfortable I am with that.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Did you miss that fanshot about expected BABIP?

Brandon Boggs was, according to one author, severely unlucky last year.

I have faith in him as an excellent 4th OF’er, but possibly more if he evens out his split vs RHP. Remember, his +/- was very good in a half-season sample or whatever.

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I did miss that

I don’t look at the fanshots hardly ever. I think he and Murphy in a platoon is an ideal situation. I do have reservations about sticking him out there on an everyday basis however and I think he needs a good 2-3 months straight in AAA since he got hardly any time there at all last year.

Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.

by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Good stuff

http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/12/2/677599/batters-babip

This is an exciting time in my life.

The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.

by Chase Irwin on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Boggs > Murphy

by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL

by lonestarJon on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+2

" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.

by Kinslerhomer on Dec 10, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

-1

by BEW on Dec 10, 2008 6:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't see why

everyone now just scapegoats Connor. I’m glad he’s not the pitching coach anymore, but that doesn’t mean he has absolutely nothing to offer. I do not want to see him in Adair’s old position, but this sounds harmless.

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by t ball on Dec 9, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gotdammit...

…Nelson Cruz is going to be absolutely “average” this year.

I warned you.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 9, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

give me your projection on him

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

A trip to the 60 Day DL.

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

...

k…

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 10:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dumb

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

iKnow

meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...

by oc on Dec 9, 2008 10:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

if he is

then they’ll move him

Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade

by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

ok, seriously now

heres my logic on cruz.

it wasnt just that he happened to have things fall in and get on a hot hitting streak.

pre-2008 mlb: 1 walk per 14.7 at bats
2008 mlb: 1 walk ber 6.7 at bats
plus great discipline in the minors as well.

His entire approach was much better. He wasnt pressing. The physical ability was always there, but he was neutralizing it by swinging at junk. Rather he manages to hit .300+ with huge power with that or not, as long as he maintains the approach he should at least be a good ~.820+ ops hitter, even if he cant be the middle of the order slugger he looked like in AAA and in his ~5 weeks with the rangers. Of course, Im still hoping he can be the middle of the order guy.

If you have reasoning, and there are certainly things to be said against cruz, what is it.

the preceding post was a great success.

by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs