Joel Sherman on Rangers rumors
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 9, 2008 3:03 PM CST
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Joel Sherman of the NY Post offers this on the Rangers, Michael Young, and others:
The New York Mets were among several teams to make a phone call to the Rangers about the availability of Michael Young. For the Mets, it would be as a second base possibility if they were ever able to dispose of Luis Castillo's odious contract. The other teams, however, are calling in regards to Young as a shortstop. The only premium shortstop on the market is Rafael Furcal, and Texas figures with that limited supply, it should at least listen to what offers are being made.However, the Rangers are under no financial pressure to remove big contracts. After this season, Hank Blalock, Frank Catalanotto, Kevin Millwood and Vicente Padilla all have their contracts expiring. Only Young and Ian Kinsler will have significant contracts left for Texas. However, Texas certainly is listening on Blalock, Catalanotto, Millwood and Padilla because in order to sign a big-ticket item such as Kerry Wood, who are they are very interested in obtaining, they do have to remove some salary. Millwood has lost 15 pounds this offseason and might be the most desired guy in the group.
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Millwood
If they can move him, great, but I would rather replace his salary with Sheets and his 20-25 starts than Wood and his mediocre relieving.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Dec 9, 2008 3:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
wood aint so bad
Although he’d probably be shelled in Arlington
by SullyBaseball on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
All Time Rangers Team...
I compare the All Time Rangers home grown and acquired team… would love to get some Rangers fan feed back on it
Here.
by SullyBaseball on Dec 9, 2008 3:07 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/home_MLB.aspx?rwr=1
The Marlins reportedly remain interested in trading for Jarrod Saltalamacchia or Taylor Teagarden, but they may not be prepared to give up the “frontline” starter the Rangers desire.
They’d be more up for trading Anibal Sanchez than Chris Volstad, Ricky Nolasco or Josh Johnson. The Marlins are also believed to be interested in Max Ramirez, whose price tag wouldn’t be as high. The Rangers are thought to be interested in Jonathan Sanchez, who the Marlins have been trying to get for Jorge Cantu. However, odds are that nothing will happen on that front. The Marlins will probably have to look elsewhere for a catcher.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 9, 2008 3:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
max for anibel?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 3:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How about a three team trade?
One of our catchers to FLA, Sanchez to TEX, and Cantu to SF.
I think FLA would have to throw in some one else but that seems like a reasonable deal.
by coolaid on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
um
that’s exactly what they are suggesting and trying to do.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 3:26 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not getting the Jonathan Sanchez love
Does he really project any higher than Tommy Hunter?
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes, quite a bit better projection
Sanchez was striking out about 9 per 9 in the ML, while Hunter was striking out less than 5 per 9 in AA/AAA.
Here is a nice summary of why some people see sanchez as a breakout candidate.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 4:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tricer
i know you are a huge fan of Max Ramirez, and I too believe in the value of his right handed bat as a potential DH candidate in the future, but if the Marlins offer Anibal Sanchez for him, would you take it? Sanchez is a guy who featured a fastball in the low to mid 90’s with a good change up and curveball before his injury, and because he struggled with his command in his return from TJ last season (which is completely common) it seems like he is being discounted.
by clark on Dec 9, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Anibal Sanchez
I don’t think Anibal Sanchez ever threw in the mid-90s.
The knock on him was that he was a finesse pitcher.
by Adam J. Morris on Dec 9, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you are right
I found this in an article from ’06:
…working with a 91 mph fastball, a curveball, slider and changeup. He’s considered by his teammates as the nicest guy on the Marlins.
at least he’s a nice guy.
by clark on Dec 9, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that would be tough
I wouldn’t love that deal, but wouldn’t hate it either. I’m not sure.
Anibel, I believe is a low 90’s guy that features both curve and slider, as well as the good change that you mention. I’d hate to see Max go, that’s for sure, but Sanchez is a guy that I like, and might be discounted like you say.
Which would you rather have:
Max and Bowden or Salty and Anibel? Pretty tough decision for me.
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 4:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Sanchez or Miller?
apparently the team is unwilling to guarentee Miller a spot as a starter next year, and he pitched much of the second half in the bullpen this year. both guys strike me as decent buy low guys.
by clark on Dec 9, 2008 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i liked miller a lot before he got traded.
mormons stole me and held me against my will with Oklahoma beer and 12+ hour work days.
by Jayslick on Dec 9, 2008 4:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
tough question
Max and Bowden or Salty and Anibel?
but i would say the latter.
by clark on Dec 9, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i don't think the rangers want salty
they can find a place for max as a DH or spot 1B but i dont’ think they want to do that with Salty
but that all hinges on teagarden being able to be the everyday catcher from here on out.
I think Max/Bowden would be fine
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
http://blogs.weei.com/robbradford/2008/12/09/buchholz-coveted-by-teams/
LAS VEGAS — Red Sox general manager Theo Epstein said while walking through the Bellagio Hotel that in conversations with most team, the names that are brought up the most by potential trade partners are Justin Masterson, Lars Anderson, and Clay Buchholz, who seems to have drawn the most interest. "In our minds he’s a top of the rotation starter who we control for six years," said Epstein. "He’s a very big piece and we value him tremendously."
I think this is the first I’ve seen Theo go on the record explicitly about Buchholz this winter.
That said, what else is he going to say?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Dec 9, 2008 3:11 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hehehe
Where there’s a will, there’s a way.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood
didn’t he lose 15 lbs last year as well?
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 3:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
yep
lost it and then found it when he turned around and looked at his a**
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 3:25 PM CST up reply actions 4 recs
That kickboxing routine really paid off!
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 9, 2008 5:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
you gotta wonder if losing weight is going to cut it.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 3:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That was the hype.
Then he came out and was as shitty as ever. I would love to see him traded.
by Athos on Dec 9, 2008 5:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Per Keith Law
In a recent chat when asked about NYY Kennedy adding a curveball this offseason.
" ‘player X has a new pitch / has been working out / is in the best shape of his life / wants to steal 40 bases’ story that you hear every offseason and need to learn to ignore like the white noise that they actually are."
by gr7070 on Dec 9, 2008 5:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I can't think
of one benefit of trading Millwood or Padilla.
"You’re the worst poster here I think."--- brettgardner
by red shoe ranger on Dec 9, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
saves money you can spend on sheets
open up a spot for a young guy
Scout: He was a first-round pick right? Got a huge bonus?
KG: Oh yeah.
Scout: Well, he spent a lot of it on milkshakes.
by knockoutking on Dec 9, 2008 4:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
opening up a spot for a young guy
honestly, you don’t need to do that if the guy you are trading actually pitches really well and you can see them being part of your future.
i wouldn’t necessarily mind millwood/padilla anchoring the rotation with young guys circling through the other spots.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*anchoring the rotation
aka as bring it down
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Dec 9, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they know how to pitch decent
and they will usually get you through 5 innings. that’s not a bad thing to have
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
*decently
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Nolan speaks:
http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/nolan-ryan-speaks.html
and http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/12/ryan-talks-about-sheets.html
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 9, 2008 3:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We all listen.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:13 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One of my best friends is a Mets fan.
I’m torturing her with this.
by philkid3 on Dec 9, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
with what?
baseball talk? odd.
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on Dec 9, 2008 5:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The prospect of trading for Michael Young.
She definitely does not want.
by philkid3 on Dec 9, 2008 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
Big name ticket Kerry Wood? We can find plenty of Kerry Wood’s in our system for what he does.
Also why do people keep commenting on Milwood’s weight as if thats some indication on how he will fare?
Heavy or Light, the guy sucks ass.
by SaltyGoesYard on Dec 9, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
I wanted Wood cheap last year...I said it all last offseason
and now he’s expensive…pisses me off.
"Sooner or later, prospects kill you, because you hang onto them." - Greggo, 11/22/2005
by Agreen07 on Dec 9, 2008 5:56 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
So many jokes in that statement...
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"you gonna lose your horse. seriously." FX2
Yes we can! November 04, 2008
by Rodney on Dec 9, 2008 6:40 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol, yes
I think i’m gonna rec it.
"My mother always taught me that if the only thing you have to say is,
‘(Expletive) Dave Samson,’ then don’t say anything at all.
So I’m not going to say anything at all.
Is my mother the greatest or what?"
- Mariners GM Bill Bavasi, after signing Ichiro to a $90 million contract
by tyd3311 on Dec 9, 2008 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
REC
well said sir!
concur with all of the above.
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Wood
Good candidate for a 1+1 and probably land ‘A’ status each year. Also, late inning relief is very valuable at the deadline.
by mattrpav on Dec 9, 2008 3:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wood appears to be off the market
a two year deal with the Indians. I am a little relieved, as this team didn’t need to spend its limited resources on a closer with a history of injuries.
I’d rather have the starter with a history of injuries.
by clark on Dec 9, 2008 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
heh
while that sounds bad, wholeheartedly agree
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Middle Relief
“There’s a premium put on middle relief because of the way starters are handled. Most teams hope they’ll get five innings or maybe six, so you have to rely on middle relief to get to the closer. I believe every time you go to the bullpen you increase the chance that one of those guys is off. I think we’ve shot ourselves in the foot with all these one inning pitchers. If a guy can get through the order once, leave him in there. It would save your bullpen and you have more guys for later. It’s a shifting of how you see your bullpen in the game.”
Interesting. I certainly would like to see the club get away from pegging someone as 7th or 8th inning guy.
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Dec 9, 2008 3:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I don't care about the 7th or 8th inning guys
if you are talking about a bullpen like the Angels were working with last year. You have guys that you can count on to shut down the game for the last 3 innings of the game. I do think that you shouldn’t set that in stone and constantly pitch guys on back-back-back days because its their role. If a guy is dealing, its okay to leave him in for one more inning.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 9, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
OT, but boy did this make me lol.
It looks like Chicago GM Ken Williams has done it again, and he may have fleeced the Braves pretty handily on this one, getting one of the best young catching prospects around for relatively little in return.
by philkid3 on Dec 9, 2008 5:28 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
lol
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What if...
the Rangers went into full blown rebuilding mode? If someone was willing to take on MY’s deal (which would be more likely if he recieved 20 of his 80 million up front), and they were able to deal Millwood, Padilla, and Blalock as well. If that were to happen it would be seen as a fire sale so there aren’t going to be a lot of huge prospects coming back. However let’s say the Rangers dealt those 4 guys and recieved 6 or 7 decent prospects in return. You combine that with what the farm already looks like and…
I know ‘09 would really suck, and the Rangers would look like the Marlins after they won a World Series, but this team would still have Hamilton, Kinsler, Davis, and Salty/Teagarden to bulild around on top of everyone on the way. Plus, think of the financial flexibility this team would have. I’m too lazy to do the #’s, but what would the payroll be if those 4 guys were gone? 2010 would be the year JD could go out and sign a FA or two that would really help the team because the payroll would allow it. What sucks is that if you do that it would be impossibe to convince a guy like Sheets to sign this year with a rebuilding team in a hitter friendly park.
The Rangers want to try and stay respectable and rebuild at the same time, I understand that. How many more wins do you think MY, Millwood, Padilla, and Blalock are worth though? I know they aren’t worth enough to get us to the playoffs. So why not free up that salary space so the Rangers can sign the guys they need to when they are ready to make a playoff run plus get a few players in return that may help? I just wonder if going all in (rebuilding) would be the better option for this team right now.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 6:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sign me up!
The most glaring problem would be who’s going to be the guy who can possibly pitch 200 innings.. if Millwood and Padilla are both dealt… you’re left with a lot of relatively unproven guys. The bullpen would be spent in about 2 months.
"The Gerald Laird trade is a GREAT SUCCESS! Who'd we get for him again?"
Tom Hicks
by LAMuscleFag on Dec 9, 2008 6:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
They come off the books in 2010 anyhow
Rangers have a club option for 2010, so if they don’t want him after 2009, no problem.
Blalock’s contract is done after 2009
Frankie Cat has a 2010 option that won’t be exercised.
Millwood has production guarantees (not sure if he’s there yet; I’m checking) to secure 2010.
So most of the guys you talk about come off the books in 2010 anyhow. Kinsler and MY (maybe Milly) are the only significant contracts in 2010 as it stands now.
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 6:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Millwood's 2010 contract vesting option
I checked, and what I came up with is that Millwood needs 180 innings in 2009 to vest the 2010 option (his other IP vesting clauses are all more than the 2009 clause). It will be interesting to see how he’s handled in 2009. Does Wash pull him at the drop of a hat to keep him from 180 (not a huge risk since he was short of 180 in both 07 and 08).
Nothing pithy here. Please move long.
by WyoRanger on Dec 9, 2008 6:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It won't happen
Wash is a player’s coach. He won’t stiff a player of playing time like that.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 9, 2008 8:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I realize...
most of those guys are coming of the books in 2010 anyway. So why not get them off a year earlier and save that much more $ for 2010 while getting a couple guys that can help in ’10 in exchange for them. The rotation would be pretty scary, but are Millwood and Padilla going to lead us on a playoff chase in ’09?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
How does that open up more money in 2010?
They are coming off anyway. Taking it off now or after 2009 doesn’t make a bit of difference for 2010
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 7:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Total Rebuild
At this point, I see no reason to do this. While I recognize that the team is unlikely to contend next season getting rid of all the vets would likely make this team one of the worst in the AL. It would further erode the fan base. If you could trade some of those guys for a Tex like return then perhaps you consider gutting the team, but none are likely to fetch much that we don’t already have. I say no thanks.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Dec 9, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
JD
Would not leave the team that exposed….he probably would not have a job the next year.
I could see us doing some of that….but We would have to replace at least 1 of those rotation guys with a vetran like Sheets.
by death of the cool on Dec 9, 2008 6:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Rumors....
I would like to see us deal Millwood and sign Sheets, however we take the risk of dealing Millwood and having Sheet take another deal….then we are left with a very young shaky rotation (could it get worse than last year?)
It looks like Wood will sign with Cleveland, but I still see us signing a high up-side relief guy to a 1 year deal….like JD did with Gagne. Those guys seem to get some value at the deadline.
Finally I don’t see Young being delt, but I would be willing to listen to offers….oh would I listen.
by death of the cool on Dec 9, 2008 6:20 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
According to a source, the Yankees will offer Ben Sheets a multiyear deal – most likely for two years in the $26 million range – before the winter meetings conclude on Thursday.
How bad would it suck if he signed with the Yankees for two years $26 million?
by coolaid on Dec 9, 2008 6:45 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
If that was the case...
the Rangers better damn well jump in and offer him 3/45. That would be a bargin for Sheets.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It wouldn't take that much
3/$35m would do it. Especially if you added a fourth year with a $15m vesting option. At least I would think that would do it.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
what?
If he is getting offered 2/26 (13 per) why would 3/35 (12.67 per) get it done? Unless he signs a one year deal this is probably the last chance he has to get a big contract. If he signed a 2 year deal he would be a free agent again at the age of 32. Not old but definitely not 30 like he is now. Plus thats 2 years of potential injury which with his history is a big risk on his part. If he signed a 3 year deal then he would be a FA again at 33 which is even worse for him.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So you think that extra $330,000 per year
trumps $9mm guaranteed? And teams will be knocking his door down when he’s 32, but not when he’s 33? C’mon, man.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he feels he can get a 9 mil contract at 32 years old
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If he doesn't go Dravecky at some point during that 2-year contract
But every ML pitcher knows that’s a very real possibility. That’s why you take the guaranteed money, unless the reward doesn’t match the risk. $9mm is substantial.
by robert_d_wilfong on Dec 9, 2008 8:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
9 mm
Yes it is substantial but the guy has made over 40 million in his career to this date. Ben Sheets doesn’t strike me as the kind that would make a decision based strictly on 9 million dollars when in two years he will have career earnings of almost 70 million no matter which deal he signs. Just personal opinion
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
new rangers.com article on sheets being a possibility
im very glad they are at least considering it.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 6:49 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
this is somethign interesting that i wasn't anticipating
i feel like nolan ryan has dropped enough hints at this point that he’s pretty interested in sheets (without flat out saying it and compromising bargaining position).
in the past, we’ve seen that JD will work within the confines of the budget hicks gives him without saying anything about it. I wonder if the same can be said about Ryan – might he not voice some velied opposition to hicks not opening up his wallet to get sheets?
or, conversely, might hicks be more open to opening up the wallet for sheets?
I know we’ve heard past stories about hicks bidding high on certain free agents but he hasn’t really money whipped anybody since JD took over.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
From Perrotto
–The Marlins are trying to trade for Rangers catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and sign right-hander Paul Byrd as a free agent. The Rangers, though, don’t seem inclined to deal Salty after trading catcher Gerald Laird to the Tigers on Monday and definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From Perrotto
–The Marlins are trying to trade for Rangers catcher Jarrod Saltalamacchia and sign right-hander Paul Byrd as a free agent. The Rangers, though, don’t seem inclined to deal Salty after trading catcher Gerald Laird to the Tigers on Monday and definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
oops
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 6:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
that quote doesn't make sense
who’s not willing to meet the asking price of Volstad? what a terrible sentence. Go learn English before deciding to become a writer, Perrotto.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Your confusion confuses me. It’s a pretty clear sentence.
by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
no, it's not
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
It is. Florida has an asking price and Texas definitely won’t meet it.
by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess he’s just missing the “Florida” in there?
The Rangers, though, don’t seem inclined to deal Salty after trading catcher Gerald Laird to the Tigers on Monday and [Florida] definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which is also a bit confusing right?
The Rangers are reluctant to deal salty but they have an asking price? So, if Florida deals us Volstad, we’ll deal Salty, yet we are somehow reluctant?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Right
It’s a mess either way. I don’t know which thing he’s trying to say, but I think that he forgot that he started a new sentence with Texas as the subject and was still working off his first point, which was that the Marlins are interested in Salty.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
so then i guess what he’s saying is that by Texas asking for Volstad, they are acting as if they are “reluctant” to trade Salty.
I wouldn’t consider asking for Volstad reluctance.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, under that premise, Texas is reluctant to deal him and is asking for (in Perrotto’s mind) a ton, and that’s just too much for Florida.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Then
as ab03 said, it’s a screwed up sentence. Texas wouldn’t be meeting an asking price of Volstad, they would be the ones doing the asking for Volstad at their asking price of Salty.
I think that it’s possible that he could have meant either thing, which is why it’s pretty much a disaster of a sentence.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
This makes no sense. You’re just assuming that the first and second clauses of that sentence are related when there’s absolutely no proof of that. In fact, it takes a completely strained reading to make that jump.
The Rangers will definitely not meet the Marlins’ asking price for Volstad in part, presumably, because they are not inclined to deal Salty.
by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
other than
you used the word “for” while he used the word “of” which gives the sentence completely different meaning:
The Rangers will definitely not meet the Marlins’ asking price for Volstad
and definitely will not meet the asking price of pitcher Chris Volstad.
by Brett Perryman on Dec 9, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ding ding ding
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah.
You’re right. Apologies.
Of course, you and ab could both be wrong and the Rangers won’t meet the demands of the evil Volstad, who has created his own price.
by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Laugh out loud
You know your writing is catastrophically bad when its meaning can be parsed into 3 separate and equal interpretations.
Fuck that guy for making a living by taking ours. There, was that ambiguous enough for you? o_O
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:52 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
also
there’s no report that florida is actually shopping volstad and it would be a weird time to bring it up as a footnote to a comment about salty
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
see
you can’t even decide what the right subject is.
I would think it’s Z’s construction, except the problem that i have with it above.
And the problem with your construction:
-Why the hell would Texas not accept Volstad?
- Texas isn’t the one meeting an asking price. Florida is. The trade is for Salty. Texas sets the asking price.
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 7:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think
You’ve seriously misunderstood the sentence, and it’s not his fault.
by brettgardner on Dec 9, 2008 7:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
which Florida pitcher(s)
would you deal Salty for?
Max?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 9, 2008 7:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I would not
deal Salty for Max. :)
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by t ball on Dec 9, 2008 7:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
What did Max have to do with that thought? Anything? Does tricer just go around randomly asking the question “Max?” Hmmm…
by hiafex on Dec 10, 2008 4:37 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry
I was asking the same question twice, once in regards to Salty, once in regard to Max?
Don't believe the hype about sloppy seconds. They ain't bad.
by tricer on Dec 10, 2008 7:57 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You don't seem
sure of that…
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by t ball on Dec 10, 2008 1:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also
link?
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 6:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus...
The Rangers have re-hired Mark Connor as a pitching consultant. Connor was the Rangers pitching coach last season until let go at the end of July and will help out mainly in the Minor Leagues.
This is for Ed:
Rangers manager Ron Washington also said on Tuesday that right now Nelson Cruz is going to be his cleanup hitter. The Rangers appear ready to give him a good look in right field.
by coolaid on Dec 9, 2008 7:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
indifferent on the first part.
yay on the second part.
Stability is key, and JD is a Beast.
Jindal - 2012
by Longhorn on Dec 9, 2008 7:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Can't we just lock Hart and Connor in a room together
With like 30 magazines of Golf Digest? Wouldn’t that entertain them for like the whole season or something?
In Smoak We Trust
by Smoak Some on Dec 9, 2008 7:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Someone ask him where davis will bat
Anyway, regardless of order.. if they are committed to cruz (as they should be) and obviously hamilton.. i guess byrd’s second half gives him the starting job and murph is the 4th OF?
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by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 8:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't think so
I think they are going to try and make Byrd the 4th OF this season. You’ll probably see Hamilton DHing while Blalock is on the bench a couple of times and you’ll see Murphy benched at least once a week for a lefty as well as giving Cruz a day off during the week. Everyone stays fresh, everyone plays a lot, and the younger players who are under team control longer get a more defined role. Byrd also doesn’t seem to have a problem rotating around the OF both in being able to do so and being willing to do so.
By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw
by Gdawg on Dec 9, 2008 8:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
No
I love Murphy as much as anyone but the way Byrd has played the last two years he is going to be an everyday player and he should be. He could become a type A FA with another good season and the manager loves him. Until I hear reports of Cruz playing in a position other than RF I honestly think we will be seeing alot of this OF next year: Murphy, Byrd, Hamilton. Hamilton played 40+ games last year in RF and I expect that number to go up this season. He has mentioned that he doesn’t like to DH, he falls out of rhythm with the game, and so I think we will see alot more Hammy in RF next year. Probably around 60 games or so. With Hank entrenched at DH I think that leaves Cruz as the odd man out. Byrd will be primarily a LF and play CF on days Hammy move to RF. Murphy will platoon in LF and get some time in CF most likely.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
cruz the odd man out
but the source of this discussion line is cruz being the cleanup hitter..
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by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
When hes playing absolutely
But I think alot of people are going to be upset when it seems like Cruz is being the odd man out next year. Like I said until someone starts reporting Cruz playing either CF or LF I think hes gonna be the one pushed to the bench when hammy needs a day of rest.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 8:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Byrd will play every day or
they’ll trade him to another team that wants him as a regular player.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2008 8:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to imagine
that David Murphy and Marlon Byrd are being shopped pretty hard right now.
It would be foolish otherwise.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm surprised there
hasn’t been more chatter about Byrd.
by Randy Richardson on Dec 9, 2008 9:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Same
I’d be inquiring about him, if I was one of the other 29 GM’s. He would be a low-cost upgrade for a significant number of clubs.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 9:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
I think that would be foolish, unless you get a great package for either. No offense to all you Cruz lovers out there but if we trade away a Byrd or Murphy and put essentially all our eggs in Nelson Cruz’s basket thats one big ass gamble. Of those three Cruz has proved the least in the majors. If Cruz comes out and regresses to pre2008 Cruz and we have gotten rid of one of Byrd or Murphy then we are left to fall back to Brandon Boggs to be an everyday player for us. I don’t know how comfortable I am with that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 9:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Did you miss that fanshot about expected BABIP?
Brandon Boggs was, according to one author, severely unlucky last year.
I have faith in him as an excellent 4th OF’er, but possibly more if he evens out his split vs RHP. Remember, his +/- was very good in a half-season sample or whatever.
This is an exciting time in my life.
The LSB CPP's are in full bloom.
by Chase Irwin on Dec 9, 2008 9:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I did miss that
I don’t look at the fanshots hardly ever. I think he and Murphy in a platoon is an ideal situation. I do have reservations about sticking him out there on an everyday basis however and I think he needs a good 2-3 months straight in AAA since he got hardly any time there at all last year.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Dec 9, 2008 9:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/12/2/677599/batters-babip
This is an exciting time in my life.
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by Chase Irwin on Dec 10, 2008 11:54 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Somewhere out there, between 14-32 BBWAA NL MVP voters are trying to get cheaper winter heating by drilling a hole in the microwave." - Jeff at LoL
by lonestarJon on Dec 9, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
+2
" He throws it where he wants it, his breaking ball kept getting better and better and of course God gave him that special arm. He's great." ~ Neftali Feliz on Derek Holland.
by Kinslerhomer on Dec 10, 2008 8:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see why
everyone now just scapegoats Connor. I’m glad he’s not the pitching coach anymore, but that doesn’t mean he has absolutely nothing to offer. I do not want to see him in Adair’s old position, but this sounds harmless.
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by t ball on Dec 9, 2008 8:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotdammit...
…Nelson Cruz is going to be absolutely “average” this year.
I warned you.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 9, 2008 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
give me your projection on him
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by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 9:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
A trip to the 60 Day DL.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 9, 2008 10:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
dumb
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 10:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
if he is
then they’ll move him
Mandatory reading before suggesting a trade
by ab03 on Dec 9, 2008 10:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ok, seriously now
heres my logic on cruz.
it wasnt just that he happened to have things fall in and get on a hot hitting streak.
pre-2008 mlb: 1 walk per 14.7 at bats
2008 mlb: 1 walk ber 6.7 at bats
plus great discipline in the minors as well.
His entire approach was much better. He wasnt pressing. The physical ability was always there, but he was neutralizing it by swinging at junk. Rather he manages to hit .300+ with huge power with that or not, as long as he maintains the approach he should at least be a good ~.820+ ops hitter, even if he cant be the middle of the order slugger he looked like in AAA and in his ~5 weeks with the rangers. Of course, Im still hoping he can be the middle of the order guy.
If you have reasoning, and there are certainly things to be said against cruz, what is it.
the preceding post was a great success.
by DSheppard on Dec 9, 2008 10:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think all the baseball Nelson Cruz has been playing for the last two and a half years... to get back to the respectability he had as a prospect... is going to catch up to him...
I see an injury setback early and a slower player afterwards.
I know you’re looking for numbers, but I don’t have any.
meet me at the mawwl... it's goin dowwn...
by oc on Dec 9, 2008 11:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Heh .. that's possible
Of course. Anyone can fall to injury. But the thing Cruz is most likely to injure is any fan who tries to catch one of his shots on the fly.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on Dec 9, 2008 11:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
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