More on Ryan as team president

by Adam J. Morris on Feb 6, 2008 11:35 AM CST in News Comment 65 comments

Over at the BTF, they don't seem sanguine about what this says about Jon Daniels' future here...the first three comments:

1. Craig Calcaterra Posted: February 06, 2008 at 11:56 AM (#2684794)

Anyone want to lay odds on the likelihood that Jon Daniels will win any intra-office dispute going forward? I mean, how do you shoot Nolan Ryan in the back in Texas? What if you miss?
2. Justin Zeth Posted: February 06, 2008 at 11:58 AM (#2684797)

Yeah, that was my initial reaction, too: That's the end of the line for Jon Daniels.
3. Alex Gordon's #1 Fan Posted: February 06, 2008 at 12:02 PM (#2684803)

I'm picturing Nolan Ryan putting Jon Daniels in a headlock much like he did to Robin Ventura.

We'll have to see. If Ryan is just replacing Cogen, Daniels should be safe. If Ryan is being brought in to run business and baseball operations, though...I'm not so sure...

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Finally

The best move of the off-season for the Rangers. Now, can we talk some baseball?

by LBrooks on Feb 6, 2008 11:55 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

+ 1

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 6, 2008 11:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Prediction

If Daniels makes a good move from this point forward, LBrooks will claim it was at Ryan's behest.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Feb 6, 2008 1:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Now that...

would be a novel idea for you, Brooksie. When are you going to do that? I haven't seen you do that yet.

by Redcaps on Feb 6, 2008 5:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Figurehead

is my hope and my prediction. His aura and charm help sell Glorypark and win back some LBrooks type fans.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Feb 6, 2008 12:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That

would be perfect, to me.

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Feb 6, 2008 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

On Ryan and Daniels

The more I think about this, the less worried I am about Daniels and the chain of command. Ryan left the Rangers in part because he wasn't happy with the direction of the organization. The fact that he's returning should, if anything, be seen as an endorsement of Daniels. Ryan must like what is happening now and want to be a part of it. He'd be a fool to get in the way and he knows it.

Ryan wants money, continued recognition, and to be part of a team moving in the right direction. He gets all three here.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Feb 6, 2008 1:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Hopefully players will see that too. They could come to Arlington, be part of something special, and make a lot of money. who, besides Robbie V., wouldn't want to play for this team with Ryan here?
Seriously, I think he could help lure some good ball players here. Instead of players meeting with Tommy H. and Johnny D., they could meet with Nolan and JD. That would make a better influence on a players decision, imo.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 1:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Players are "lured"

by franchises that pay the most money. Suggesting that players would want to come to the Rangers because of the presence of Nolan Ryan in the front office is ridiculous.

"who, besides Robbie V., wouldn't want to play for this team with Ryan here?"

Lots of people.

"heres to you brett for making me get all wet" -NYTXFAN

by jparks77 on Feb 6, 2008 1:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well put.

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Those Primates

They're quite the cynical crew.

Baseball Time in Arlington

by jamcadbury on Feb 6, 2008 12:53 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

i really like the move,

I hope they let him be involved with some decisions. For example,

JD: Hey Nolan should we trade Ian and Salty for close to nothing?

Nolan: What the hell kid, are you fucking high or something?

Just a thought. JD has done some good moves but what is stopping him for doing something stupid like trading Armando G for a weak hitting prospect that can't field. Just a thought-could Nolan's presence along with Wash help bring in some top tier talent like C.C., Dunn, etc.?

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 1:05 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

-1

Your post reminded me of a quote from the great Emmitt Smith:

"We had some diamonds but we had a lot of cow poo-poo around it. And the diamonds was mixed in with the poo-poo. It just all look like poo-poo."

"heres to you brett for making me get all wet" -NYTXFAN

by jparks77 on Feb 6, 2008 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh well

Wah Wah Wah

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 1:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Live...from NY!

Perfect.

'spose you're a Tickethead, JP?

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Feb 6, 2008 1:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I listen online

when I can but sometimes the schtick can get old. I love the drop page though.

"heres to you brett for making me get all wet" -NYTXFAN

by jparks77 on Feb 6, 2008 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

what crap?

ryan is going to allow JD to make good moves and stop him from making bad?

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 1:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

You know

I do my best to just skip on past posts with your name on them.

But every once in a while, I slip up.

Like now.

And I am reminded why I made the decision in the first place.

Disclaimer: this is not a personal attack on anyone.

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Feb 6, 2008 2:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well at least your honest

and just skip over my comments instead of attacking like a wild boar.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 2:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

I generally try not to bag on him, cause I believe in free posting, but that was the dumbest post I've ever read, and that's including your IQ-lowering pro-MDB missives.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 2:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

MDB

Let it go, man.

Be a shiner, not a whiner...

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Feb 6, 2008 2:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

TheDirkatron lets nothing go

until he gets a full and heartfelt apology, along with maybe a tasteful floral arrangement delivered right to my door by a sexy young female with low self esteem.

Make it happen, B-Cart.

The 40 (still) trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on Feb 6, 2008 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

3rd person?

We all deserve a full and heartfelt apology for that.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Feb 6, 2008 3:12 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I've done the same

And nothing is more aggravating than one getting by me and actually having to read one of his posts.

I've even made that mistake and then gone on to actually read NY/LAMuscleFag?'s inevitable glowing agreement.

That just makes for a bad day.

by badradiorules on Feb 6, 2008 3:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh whatever

your posts aren't any better

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you tell the schmuck!!

J J!

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 6, 2008 6:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank you

by badradiorules on Feb 7, 2008 5:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Agree

by B_Black on Feb 6, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

This isn't in reference...

to NTXFAN, but because of my own irritation at certain posters, I tried working up a greasemonkey script to make those types of posts disappear. I didn't have any luck, but maybe someone more tech-saavy could do a better job.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Feb 6, 2008 4:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm interested in that

I'll look into it when I have some more time. I wouldn't mind if it led to the demise of all "poster specific" posts. too many of those going on lately. not sure if dr. pepper was schtick or not but it showed how silly that stuff is

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 4:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How can you set a guideline for that?

I mean sure maybe you would like to regulate what someone posts but honestly you can't. Im not trying to argue this in any way because I know where you guys are coming from. Maybe a private blog for you guys would work. You know sorta like a secret place where you can discuss your thoughts.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 4:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

you're not understanding

its related to what I see - as in, whenever I access LSB, I could prevents certain posters' posts from displaying. i'm not sure why that would be a bad thing but maybe i haven't thought it through

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 4:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh okay,

so when you log in you wouldn't have to read a bloggers post. Sorta like you erase it form what your reading, not from the site. I just don't see why you guys would want that. Sure everybody doesn't say the most brightest responses some times(except for Ed), but I still like to read even the most ludacris posts. I like to see what others are thinking.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe because

people personally attack other people on the site. I've probably done it too but its not a good thing.

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 7:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

JD has done

a great job on his own building the farm system. Not sure if Ryan can help lure free agents in, in a few years? Otherwise, not sure what exactly he will do here.

by Agreen07 on Feb 6, 2008 1:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

reader comments

on another blog? yeah, i really don't care what they say...

Should have traded for Kobe when they had the chance...

by Longhorn on Feb 6, 2008 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Nolan

If hes a figurehead, whatever. Sure.

If hes actually in charge of anything, te upside that I see is that it might actually put some pressure on hicks to spend money next offseason. Im sure hes making promises to nolan, and is he really going to tell Nolan Ryan that the payroll is fine at 60 million next year while hes supposedly trying to compete?

JD better get at least through 2009
He made one terrible deal, but otherwise was an ok GM for 2005 and 2006. But in 2007 he was one of the most productive GMs in baseball in completely turning around the farm system while still keeping the mlb team at least to a point where its not in daner of losing 100 games or anything.

Now we've got salty, kinsler, hamilton as the young offensive core at defensive value positions. BMac, CJ as young pitching talent and a whole lot of prospects moving up. There are teams much worse off then the rangers right now.

by DSheppard on Feb 6, 2008 1:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Teams worse off than the Rangers

Like the Astros. Sure hope Nolan isn't planning on implementing the Houston template.

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Feb 6, 2008 3:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Uh Oh.

On the Ticket they are talking about reports that JD is to report to Nolan. Nolan is to oversee EVERYTHING baseball. Not what I wanted to hear....

Fire Todd Dodge.

by sprite on Feb 6, 2008 1:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

That

Does not imply that JD's function will be reduced. It's quite possible they will make a good team (and reduce any overreaction from Hicks). Have to wait and see how it shakes out.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Feb 6, 2008 1:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Bob and Dan

Talking Rangers baseball gives me tired head. They are baseball idiots. They are both on board basically just because it change for the sake of change. For the first time in a decade, this thing doesn't need change right now. If he really is going to start throwing his weight around and change the direction of the organization, this is a bad deal. If he is going to make appearances and shake hands, it is fine.

by badradiorules on Feb 6, 2008 1:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well

he could both be active and be on board with JD.

besides, the farm system is there, not like you can take that way unless he starts making JD trade all the prospects right now, which seems... unlikely.

he should feel free to pressure Hicks to sign a premiere player in the offseason.

by DSheppard on Feb 6, 2008 2:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe

If that were the case, this is great. If they are on the same page and this essentially takes Hicks out of any decision making, then awsome.

I guess my worry is centered around the fact that I don't know what kind of baseball guy that Nolan is. He doesn't come off as the most intelligent sounding guy and I just don't want to see him try to change the direction of this thing back to where its been the last 30+ years. One of those directions being, trading away the farm system, bit by bit, for overpriced, overrated veteran players. I don't know, I just don't see Nolan understanding why Torii Hunter is a bad investment or what even OPS+ means.

I guess I've just been a Ranger fan long enough to see disaster around every corner, especially when things to actually seem to be going in the right direction.

by badradiorules on Feb 6, 2008 2:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

the one thing that is somewhat good

JD before had to go to Hicks to get approval. Now, I think he just needs to go to Nolan - who probably has a lot of power to ok anything. If JD goes after a big FA, I think Nolan is able to say do it and Hicks will follow whatever Nolan says.

Is this better?

Maybe. Hicks hasn't been too bad about opening up his wallet when he's needed to lately and I dont' really remember him overruling JD all that much but it at leasts decreases the chances of someone completely out of touch with baseball overruling something JD does.

that all assumes that Nolan is as hands off as i hope he is

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 2:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Apparently JD never went to Hicks

for approval. Hicks said that he is leaving the GM duties up to JD. Hicks is in charge of the money part of it so ultumitly it's hicks decision. Group effort was the word used by Hicks.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 3:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

not exactly true

the manager decision had to be signed off on. most blockbuster free agent signings were a joint decision. the dice-k offer was done with a lot of input from hicks (and probably final say so).

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

and bonds

was vetoed by hicks.

not saying any of those were bad decisions, just saying that hicks has a lot of input. wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing if hicks is no longer the guy who gets input and its exclusively nolan, although its probably now a triumverate.

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

*triumvirate

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

god...

...go blow yourself.

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 3:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

http://www.lonestarball.com/comments/2008/2/3/0452

by ab03 on Feb 6, 2008 3:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yawn...

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 4:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

one in the org understands about the final say

Of course Hicks ultimatly caqn veto any trade/signing he wants because he owns the team. However, Hicks said that even though decisions are made together like a family, Nolan feels that the GM job should be just that. JD is in charge of players they want and have.

I kinda like that. Everyone seems to think JD is a puppet. Signings like Zito and Dice-K couldn't happen because of Hicks. I doubt from listening to the press confrence that that's the case. Nolan will be in charge of over seeing the organizations personel, JD will make the GM decisions, and Mr. Hicks will sign the checks.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 4:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

maybe Nolan just got tired...

...of working for the worst front office in baseball.

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 3:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

nolan press conference

says he has no plan yet, just to learn the organization for now.

heh, at least hes being honest.

by DSheppard on Feb 6, 2008 3:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

listening to it now...

...Tom Hicks talking about bringing a World Series ring here in 3 years makes me want to vomit... right in ab03's face.

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

'I have no plan'

I think Hicks must have a soft spot for management with no plan.

Maybe that is what sold him on the Worsh hire.

Juevos Daniels: biggest stones in the business.

by tricer on Feb 6, 2008 3:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

this weekend at Ticketstock...

...would someone please tell him to please stay out of the baseball decisions?...

...after they get his autograph of course.

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 3:30 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

does anybody know...

...if Daniels was at the press conference?

by oc on Feb 6, 2008 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Because it is slightly relevant

I randomly stumbled upon this Nolan Ryan clip a few minutes ago

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dKRQyS1gIJE

I was at this game, and have a signed picture of it up on my wall.

I'm all for Nolan, and I don't agree at all that it means JD's time is at an end. I think he'll be more of a consigliore for JD

by JBImaknee on Feb 6, 2008 3:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

kinda like

Parcells in Miami.

by neatfreakgeek on Feb 6, 2008 3:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Interesting note from the conference-

Question-Nolan does your deal involve any type of ownership?

Nolan- at this time no.

Can't remember the whole answer from Nolan, but it sounds like that option could be available in the future if all goes well.

Ban Dr Pepper NYTXFAN

by NYTXFAN on Feb 6, 2008 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Ryan said in an interview

that Hicks is currently resituating the Rangers with some of his other holdings and that they would address Ryan acquiring some portion of the team when that is complete.

by Brett Perryman on Feb 7, 2008 12:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs