Cockfighting in DR: J. Marichal and Pedro M.

by RangerMoto on Feb 7, 2008 2:17 PM CST

Apparently someone posted a video on YouTube earlier today, which depicted Juan Marichal and Pedro Martinez cockfighting each other. Well, to be exact, it was their roosters doing the fighting...to the death.

Obviously, YT (instructed by their corporate overlords--Google) yanked the video soon after it went up, but a few people got screenshots beforehand: http://homerderby.com/archives/1828

I don't see this as being nearly as bad as dogfighting, but I'm not sure why I think that way. Maybe because a rooster will never fetch me a beer from the fridge?

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cock fighting

is brutal too. but it won't get the outrage as dogfighting.

is it legal over there?

if so, then i don't see pedro getting in much trouble.

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by gossamer on Feb 7, 2008 2:22 PM CST reply actions

I expect to see all those posters...

...that condemned Michael Vick as a horrible human being to weigh in here.

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by tricer on Feb 7, 2008 2:32 PM CST reply actions

i'm weighing in

i think what vick is is deplorable.

and i think cockfighting is as bad.

public sentiment is different. dogs > chickens

and there aren't legal issues here. cockfighting is legal in the DR.

do i think that makes it any better? legally, yes. morally? no.

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by gossamer on Feb 7, 2008 2:39 PM CST up reply actions

well said.

by oc on Feb 7, 2008 2:53 PM CST up reply actions

another difference

I don't think Pedro and Juan actually finance any of these games or have a hand in rearing these chickens. I think they were just there as guest hosts.

by ab03 on Feb 7, 2008 3:14 PM CST up reply actions

yeah

the msnbc article i read basically described them as "throwing the first pitch" or something.

but it's still bad.

we can't use a "cultural differences" argument here to justify it. that doesn't work for vick and shouldn't work for people in DR.

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by gossamer on Feb 7, 2008 3:16 PM CST up reply actions

i think one of the things that

really made people mad and appalled was Vick's very direct hand in killing the dogs.

by ab03 on Feb 7, 2008 3:19 PM CST up reply actions

Fighting animals

to the death is a horrible act regardless of which animals are involved.

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by jparks77 on Feb 7, 2008 3:34 PM CST up reply actions

Exactly my point

I don't understand why the level of outrage in these 2 cases is so different.

Makes sense to me that those that were appalled by the Vick case should be equally horrified in this instance, but they don't appear to be reacting the same way.

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by tricer on Feb 7, 2008 4:35 PM CST up reply actions

but i told you the differences

if pedro was running a cockfighting ring and had 100 chickens cooped up that he occasionally killed by slamming them down on the pavement but otherwise tortured them to make them ruthless, then there would be the same level of outrage.

just being at a cockfight and showing that you don't think its a big deal is not going to garner outrage.

clinton portis basically said it wasn't a big deal and didn't get much of a response

by ab03 on Feb 7, 2008 4:38 PM CST up reply actions

That is a good point

And I will have to contemplate my opinion on the subject the next time I am chowing down on a chicken sandwich that came from a place where the chickens are treated as bad or worse than at a cockfight.

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by SwiperNoSwiping on Feb 7, 2008 4:39 PM CST up reply actions

+ 1

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by LAMuscleFag on Feb 7, 2008 4:43 PM CST up reply actions

Vick

I'm pretty sure that a big part of his negative reputation comes from the stories that he tortured dogs to the death who lost.

If I heard that about Pedro I'd be pretty bothered by it also.

by JBImaknee on Feb 7, 2008 5:29 PM CST up reply actions

I used to condemn dog fighting

But then Hightowersmith explained to me that my devotion to man's bestest friend was a clear cut example of my inability to understand and cope with the complexity of human beings.

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by Brian Thomas on Feb 7, 2008 6:49 PM CST up reply actions

re:

Jerry: Kramer, cockfighting is illegal.
Kramer: Only in the United States.
Jerry: It's inhumane.
Kramer: Jerry, it's not what you think.
Jerry: It's two roosters pecking at each other!
Kramer: What? I thought they had gloves and helmets. You know, like American Gladiators

the truth.

by Longhorn on Feb 7, 2008 2:51 PM CST reply actions

brilliance...

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by RangerMoto on Feb 7, 2008 3:36 PM CST up reply actions

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by inactive lsb user on Feb 7, 2008 2:56 PM CST reply actions

Cockfighting and Dogfighting are ..

EQUALLY as disgusting and vile how could you not see that?

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by LAMuscleFag on Feb 7, 2008 3:38 PM CST reply actions

I dunno...

...I'm hardly liberal when it comes to animal rights.

My attitude is that hunting should be legal as long as

it's done sustainably
only to control the population
and the meat is always eaten

If animals didn't want to be prey for us, they should have evolved. Top of the food chain, bitches. :)

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by RangerMoto on Feb 7, 2008 3:42 PM CST up reply actions

What does cockfighting ..

have to do with hunting? Placing two innocent animals in a cage to brutalize each other to the death with metal swords on their claws has nothing to do with hunting. That's barbaric and solely done as a form of sick entertainment.

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by LAMuscleFag on Feb 7, 2008 3:50 PM CST up reply actions

I was just making a more generalized statement

It is pretty barbaric, I would agree. But so is restricting marriage to a man and a woman, but that's supported by at least 45% of this country...

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by RangerMoto on Feb 7, 2008 3:52 PM CST up reply actions

Well .....

I have to agree with you on the marriage restrictions being barbaric.

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by LAMuscleFag on Feb 7, 2008 3:58 PM CST up reply actions

let's put it this way

dogfighting - people keep these as pets, so it's thought of worse already

cockfighting - we kill them (in a lot of situations in VERY bad ways) and eat them

so right off the bat, it's like bullfighting to me...something I think could be understandable. I think it's wrong, no doubt. But you're simply not going to have the outcry as you would if it were cat fighting, with cats that weren't declawed, and were raised as predators, not house cats. Just the same, you wouldn't have anywhere near as much outcry if there were somehow pig fighting matches

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by Walter Sobchak on Feb 7, 2008 8:04 PM CST reply actions

you eat bulls?

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by RangerMoto on Feb 7, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions

ok, I wanted that comment back right after posting

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by RangerMoto on Feb 7, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions

I want to watch a cat fight

between de-clawed, de-toothed cats. That'd be pretty damn funny.

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by a bebop a rebop on Feb 7, 2008 10:51 PM CST up reply actions

with peanut butter in their mouths, and a

clothespin on their tails...it'd be classic.

You know what I enjoy? Those "lion vs. tiger" videos they have - it's nature, so you don't feel wrong about watching it, and it's pretty entertaining. I'm crazy about lions though, and for some reason, tigers aren't scared off by the mane like I think every living thing should be, and they usually kick the lions' asses...quite disappointing

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by Walter Sobchak on Feb 7, 2008 11:36 PM CST up reply actions