Community Guidelines Violations

by RangerMoto on Feb 9, 2008 2:07 AM CST Comment 44 comments

Athletics Nation's interesting approach to censorship:

http://athleticsnation.com/storyonly/2008/2/8/111355/8376

Maybe ab03 should just introduce them to GreaseMonkey...

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Well...

that's pretty, umm, "namby-pamby," to steal a label from the Troll Script thread.

In a libertarian environment, enforcement is up to the users. The Troll Script gives everyone a perfect mechanism by which to enforce community norms. And, I don't want to speak for Adam, but I'd be willing to bet that if running this site entailed setting up a grievance committee and jumping through those types of hoops, he'd probably just disable comments.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Feb 9, 2008 2:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Oh...

and I believe that the rest of SB Nation has already been made aware of ab03's little miracle of anti-douchebaggery.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Feb 9, 2008 2:14 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Blez is a moron

Heh, hopefully I can safely insult him here.

I know that from the way he handled gearheads of war..

Anyways, I suppose that system is "better" than mods arbitrarily banning people, though.

Remember when Eli owned miles? Ooh, that was an epic all-timer. Seems like it was just yesterday..

by Sharky on Feb 9, 2008 2:21 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

anyways

getting banned from a message board is no big deal. I've been banned countless times at many different boards. There are only a few ways to keep a person out, and those are all easily circumvented. Even one board I was banned 20 times, kept coming back, and today I'm a longtime prolific member in good standing there. They dont even know.

However, the SBN network has some damn good banning. As I say, Gearheads apparently banned me by MAC ADDRESS (not IP) which I have never in all my life seen before. Even that I could circumvent easily enough, but I have never bothered, so I guess it worked.

The kind of banning that sucks though is if you have a longtime persona well known by the community though, (for example, sharky..). You can come back but you cant openly tip off who you are, so you have to stay on the down low, wehich sucks. Unless you just wanna be an ass, then you just spam the board at 2AM when nobody is watching.

Remember when Eli owned miles? Ooh, that was an epic all-timer. Seems like it was just yesterday..

by Sharky on Feb 9, 2008 2:39 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That seems like overkill to me...

I don't like some of the personal attacks and verbal fencing (and sometimes, that's a pretty light description of it) that go on around here, but my opinion is, that's bloggin'. If you can't ignore some of the crap that goes on and hold your comments to a higher level than the people you don't like, but instead feel you need to complain to some higher athority, you probably shouldn't be a blogger. After all, this is only the internet - almost everything said here should be taken with a certain grain of salt, and a little dash of humor.

These forums where made for open discussion. It's true, that discussion should be kept as clean as possible, but having a complicated system like that... that just seems a little bit like overkill to me. Are the A's fans really that bad, they can't occasionally agree to disagree with each other?

I could use some baseball.

by lonestarJon on Feb 9, 2008 2:45 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

ab03's solution is much better.

Voluntary, requires little work for anyone, very effective.

The kind of big government namby pamby A's solution seems like something that would come up from a joint Republican-Democrat Blue Ribbon Committee.

"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Feb 9, 2008 6:47 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

Wow. That's really ... anal.

It never ceases to amaze me how scared some people are of words or being "offended". We're turning into a nation of overly-sensitive douchebags.

by Athos on Feb 9, 2008 9:20 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

agreed

I just ignore most of the crap that I find stupid, which is why the troll script is good if you want to flat out ignore someone.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Feb 9, 2008 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes but

people should be wary of words. They are powerful means of control. They can rig debates, limit horizons, exclude and aid corporate self-deception.

Does that mean LSB needs a subcommittee? No, but words can often do far more harm than sticks and stones.

by rodinuk on Feb 9, 2008 10:15 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Th e Above

That's a lot of nonsense. If he or she wants, the author should just lay some rules down and ban who he sees fit. Why go through all of that trouble? A freakin' disciplinary subcommittee for a BLOG?

Personally, though, there's nobody I can't ignore if I want to. When I'm in the mood, I'll spar with people like Sharky. When I'm not, my brain has a pretty good "ignore" feature. So unless things really, really deteriorated around here I don't think I'd ever install that script.

Ctrl - V

by Dustin on Feb 9, 2008 10:35 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

I wish

More people had your sense.

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 8:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

spoken by somebody

who has never ever let anything go. but prove me wrong, don't respond...

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2008 8:24 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll respond

But I'm not sure how it proves your point. Never lets anything go? Hmm, that does sound familiar, but I'm not sure if it's me. Who could it be?

"OT: weird recruiting day story

of a lie gone terribly wrong

http://tinyurl.com/2x969h

made me think of someone on this board"

Gosh, you know it's so subtle, but I think that's a callback to the past. Perhaps you shouldn't cast the first stone on this subject, especially since you have absolutely nothing to back it up with.

Bottom line: you're a moron, you contribute nothing, and you're a pussy on top of that. Why haven't you added me to your little pussy list yet? I certainly don't want my golden comments wasted on a buffoon like yourself.

The ironic thing is that you pump your chest for making a troll script and then you troll around other threads looking for ways to jab at me. Ironic, but ultimately pathetic.

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 8:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

dammmmmmmnnnnnn...

LOL you go Brett!! Brett Gardner rocks!

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 9, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Takes a bow

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

as you should

Mr. Gardner! :)

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 9, 2008 8:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

funny

but i will clear up one thing. i take no real credit for the troll script. ben suggested the idea and pointed me in the right direction with greasemonkey. he deserves most of the credit. actual implementation wasn't that hard (and was a bit crude).

i don't know if you remember, but you used to like me. but you really do lash out at anybody and everybody who looks at you the wrong way. i admit, i baited you (though a couple people have been caught in lies recently), but only because it's so fun and really does prove the point even if you don't get what the point is.

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2008 8:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

There are only about 10 posters here who I find consistently interesting and entertaining, and the sad part is two of them are feuding presently (LA/NY and Chase). Hopefully I can use my influence to patch this up.

In other news, you continue to prove the point that you can't prove points. Let me see if I get this: you purposely bait others for your own enjoyment and yet you dislike "trolls". Hmm.

You don't really provide much of a challenge.

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 9:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

its going to suck for you

when you get to law school and realize you're so much smarter than all of your law school professors. take pity on them

by ab03 on Feb 9, 2008 9:09 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

See

My response to slc.

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 9:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well thank you Brett!

I tell you what since I think you're about the coolest thing since sliced bread I hereby extend an olive branch to Mr. Irwin in good faith. Not only are you the coolest but I WANT your name. I wish my name was Brett Gardner.
I know noone on here wants to listen to Chase and I go at each other all season long so I do apologize for any past nastiness that I have leveled at him and I'm willing to let bygones be bygones. We're all here to discuss and enjoy our Rangers and I can't wait for the season to start.
So thank you Brett - you are the best!

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 9, 2008 9:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Gosh

I feel like Jimmy Carter. 2 feuds ended in one night? Wow. Now we just need ben to come join hands with us and glide on the peace train. Come on ben. Give peace a chance.

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 9:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Be careful what you wish for...

...he might just show up wearing that Melissa Lima dress.

Obama - ??? 2008 : He's not Hillary

by RangerMoto on Feb 10, 2008 2:36 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Calm down Brett...

not to interject in your feud here, but you can be very argumentative. I think you do bring something to the table here, but you need to ease up on the name calling a little.

I agree with you that no one needs to be added to a "troll" list. You can just skim over their posts. However if someone else wants to do it then no big deal, that's their opinion. A lot of people will probably use ab03's idea, so what?

Again I'm not trying to pick a fight with you (we have gone down that road before). Just try and ease up on the "my golden comments" posts and view of yourself here. I don't view you as any better or worse than most here, but I think others feel that you think higher of yourself than many others here. I hope that isn't true but if it is that is your opinion as well. I realize you don't care what others think of you, including me and this post, but it will keep you from "fueling the fire" in the future if you ease up a little. Just my opinion.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Feb 9, 2008 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Fair enough

I accept your criticism, and in all likelihood you're right. For what it's worth, the "golden comments" bit was sarcastic. I realize I'm not exactly Bill James.

In light of your reasoned response, I apologize to ab03 if my comments went too far, and I will try to refrain from name-calling in the future.

by brettgardner on Feb 9, 2008 9:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Meh

Keep calling people names Brett. It spices up the board and makes it more enjoyable. There are obviously some people on this board who wear their feelings on their shoulders. If there are people who get offended by someone calling them out -- which often times includes some name calling -- then they probably shouldn't participate in the blogosphere or should limit their participation to mass media-run sites like dallasnews.com where such things are censored.

Anyone and everyone is invited to call me anything, anytime they wish. It will merely make me giggle like a teen-aged school girl.

by abc123 on Feb 10, 2008 9:53 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Uh...

"If there are people who get offended by someone calling them out -- which often times includes some name calling"

That, frankly, is ridiculous.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Feb 10, 2008 9:56 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Suprised

I'm suprised to get that reaction from you. You're one of the few who seems to take the name-calling very much in stride.

FWIW, Ben, I should have added your name to the post below as well. I think you do fine work.

by abc123 on Feb 10, 2008 10:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks...

for the props.

I don't think anyone should have to take name-calling from anyone just because they want to talk baseball. Last year I said something to someone that I regretted, for various reasons, and thought they weren't going to be around here anymore. I emailed them privately and apologized. There's shtick and there's being a legitimate asshole. Let's stick to shtick.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Feb 10, 2008 10:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

very well put

personally i do censor myself on here mostly as a courtesy to the other posters and to adam. I don't feel a need to "call people out" or use foul language or call people names. It just simply isn't necessary when having discussions about baseball.

Hopefully once the season gets rolling we get back on track with more baseball related discussions and less political discussions and stupid internet fighting.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Feb 10, 2008 10:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let me try to put this another way

Some people can watch the Sapranos on A&E and thinks its perfectly fine. I personally think it loses something when pieces of the original show (specifically language and violence) are edited for a more "family" oriented audience. People express themselves in different ways and it should be up to the individual who pens the post as to how that person wishes to express themselves.

While I do not choose to attack with name calling and profanity, I don't have a problem with people doing that if that's how they wish to debate and express their thoughts and ideas.

I think it's ridiculous that people get so bent out of shape when someone they don't even remotely know calls them a name. Some people are so concerned about being "disprected" that they lose sight of the task at hand, which is spirited debate about baseball and sometimes other OT subjects. And when that happens, the victim usually loses.

by abc123 on Feb 10, 2008 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

there are very few people

who take name calling well. and the people that name call are usually among them.

by ab03 on Feb 10, 2008 2:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I should clarify...

I am not in the least offended by profanity. But, as is the nature of a lot of people, I will take ribbing and jokes from zywica and Adam in stride because I've known them for a long time. When someone who you've known for a while (Cahill or Chris Martin or whatever) "busts your chops" the response is a give and take. When someone who's been posting here for two months decides to take shots at you, the response is more likely to be "who the fuck is this guy?"

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Feb 10, 2008 11:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

BTW

Must reads for me are Brett, Brian, Cahill & Coffin, all for vastly different reasons.

Rupe and lonestarJon are also proving to be very worthwhile reads.

Just thought I'd provide some positive feedback to those who I think help make this board enjoyable.

by abc123 on Feb 10, 2008 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

His script

was more of a contribution than you will ever make.

"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Feb 10, 2008 5:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

We can't all be DJCahill, can we? Posts like the one I'm responding to right now are proof that you're nothing if not thoughtful, insightful, and, frankly, amazing. Keep up the good work, Cahill--everybody's rooting for you.

P.S. Why not just add me to your list if I'm so useless?

by brettgardner on Feb 10, 2008 11:00 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

+ 1

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 9, 2008 8:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Dumb.

the truth.

by Longhorn on Feb 9, 2008 10:39 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

+ 1

The Exorcist remake is being filmed at Miles house during the Super Bowl. Starring Miles as Regan and Sharky as the Priest.

by LAMuscleFag on Feb 9, 2008 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What else do you expect...

from an A's fan site.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Feb 9, 2008 12:52 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Just a guess

Blez doesn't want to sit and attend the site to moderate it.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Feb 9, 2008 11:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They do have quite a few more registered users...

...than LSB does. 6886 to our 1555

I know about a dozen A's fans here in the bay area and ALL of them are, at the very least, lurkers at A's Nation. I guess I sorta am too, except I'm not a registered user.

And apparently they had a big dustup last week about...you guessed it...politics. Specifically there was an Obama ad running there for a few weeks (he did very well in San Francisco and Oakland, including the surrounding communities). And then users started posting diaries about their candidates. (This is from a friend who frequents A's Nation, by the way, so it's second-hand) Blez went in and just disabled all the diaries because he was sick of the site not being 100% about baseball/A's.

I don't see how a policy like that could fly here. And is probably a big part of the reason Adam took a more subdued approach to this election season. The more page views he gets, the better for him and for the standard popularity/traffic metrics of the site. We would have less people here blogging about baseball than we have now if he were to cut off all non-baseball talk. Blez can kind of push that envelope a little more, considering his traffic and devotees. Same goes for McCovey Chronicles, but I'm not real sure what their political discourse/community governance restrictions are like.

Obama - ??? 2008 : He's not Hillary

by RangerMoto on Feb 10, 2008 2:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Group hug!

eom

Unstoppable....Eli Manning is with his Citizen Eco-Drive.

by TheBZA on Feb 9, 2008 11:19 PM CST reply actions 0 recs

Those colors

are terrible. I seriously don't know that I could frequent that website without getting sick to my stomach. Maybe it doesn't matter, but I'm just sayin...

"This report of my death was an exaggeration"--Mark Twain

by rangerdanger on Feb 10, 2008 7:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs