So ummm, You can apologize anytime you want. k thanks (mavs)

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:19 PM CDT

For all of you that opposed the Kidd trade, I am sorry. It must be horrible to be wrong, I have never felt that feeling so I wouldn't know.

So this Kidd trade has been coming together and this team looks good and DEEP.

Let me just thorw out this stat that a person threw out there on a Mavs forum...

Dirk's stats since Kidd joined the team

53% shooting
53% 3 points shooting
8.6 free throws per game
27.5 points per game

Before the trade
47%
28%
7.1
22.4

Ok, now the other pieces we got in the trade...

Antione Wright has been an BEAST, and you know how Avery doesn't like playing young players. But he is to good to keep him on the bench, Avery's wife even told him he needs to play him more. This guy looks like he is going to be a stud for us for years to come. He should be starting, his shooting has been great along with his really good defense. Everyone was mad that we threw away the future with Harris, but I think we have a stud for the future AND now with Wright.

Now for Malik Allen. This guy has even impressed me with his great shooting. He has shown he can hit the open jumper consistently with Dirk on the bench, and that is what this team needs. Allen and Bass have both impressed with their 20 feet shots.

Now we have a true backup point guard with Tyrone Lue, and he has really impressed me. He is able to run this team with Kidd on the bench. The reason the Mavericks were struggling was because when Kidd went off the bench, this team fell apart with Terry running the team. Terry is a horrible passing point guard, and Barea is to young to be running a western conference power.

I do not see any holes on this team. Once Magloire gets back to his self, we will have two good centers.

Malik Allen and Brandon Bass can come off the bench and help this offense with their shooting and both are pretty big bodys that this team can use.

The Mavs true test comes this week against the Lakers and the Celtics. I believe we can beat the Lakers, and I KNOW this team can beat the Celtics.

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Or, more likely, the bashing. Miles, I was in favor of the trade too, but perhaps we should wait for a good win or two before we start gloating? Pissing all over Indiana or Charlotte is one thing, but this next week will show everybody--doubters and believers alike--what this team really has.

Oh, and as for having a "true backup PG" in Lue...yeah right. The guy is a complete spare. Magloire isn't going to magically become the player he was a few years ago either. If you like the team now, it's because of Kidd and in spite of players 8-15.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:20 PM CDT reply actions

Lue is

a spare with over 40 percent 3 point shooting?

Magloire doesn't need to be anything special, he just needs to be a big body who can play 10 minutes a game with 6 fouls...

Beating bad teams are one thing, blowing the sh*t out of them is another.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions

Yes.

He is. He's floated around this league because he's...alright. Not bad enough to get pushed out, but not good enough to stick anywhere. He was only in Atlanta so long because they literally had nothing else, after so foolishly selecting Marvin Williams a few years back.

He's not the worst player in the league by any stretch of the imagination, and he's light years ahead of Barea, but he's nothing special.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions

Well put it this way...

his track record with teams would point to him being an average point guard but from what we've seen, he's actually been a contributor when playing so far. He has a sweet shot and is pretty good handling the ball. Not sure why you consider him a "spare."

Stud no. Spare no. Great backup- yes.

by slimshadty12 on Mar 16, 2008 3:30 PM CDT up reply actions

NBA Champion Mavs

If they could only play sub-.500 teams at home during the playoffs then they would be all set.

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 15, 2008 11:26 PM CDT reply actions

Come on

He's made 15 shots in 12 games since the trade.

Is this a joke?

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 15, 2008 11:26 PM CDT reply actions

Allen

Ill take a backup that shoots 55% from the field any day...

And at 6-10, few backups have that kind of shot. He has always been able to do that. I don't care how many he has made with us, he is over 50%

As for Allen, he is 24 years old. He is now in the regular rotation and doing pretty good, so I don't know why I would be joking around about that....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up reply actions

Umm...

Ill take a backup that shoots 55% from the field any day...

And at 6-10, few backups have that kind of shot. He has always been able to do that.

Then why is he a career 44.4% shooter?

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 15, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions

Because

Jason Kidd is a magician and gets people open.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions

So...

Malik Allen really isn't anything special, and it is all Kidd.

That explains why Allen was so great in New Jersey, as well...

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 15, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions

I think

You should just apologize. Miles seems like Terry in Wayne's World--if you don't just say thanks, he'll never stop.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions

I was

just kidding about the apologies, I'll wait until after the season to collect that.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions

Heh.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions

NJ

was a mess, I don't count that.

I count the now.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions

malik allen?

allen is not 24 hes 29.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Mar 15, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions

I meant

Wright..

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions

my apologies

i figure u probably meant wright.

baseBALLIN!

by kevzta on Mar 15, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions

Its my bad,

I should have looked over the post first.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions

My secret sources in Cincinnati

tell me would've beaten those teams with a healthy Devin Harris, especially if Avery had let him loose instead of smothering him like Jo-Jo the Idiot Circus Boy.

My sources also tell me that we shall have to wait for the playoffs to see if Kidd can really help us win a title.

And we better hope we don't run into Lala or Boston along the way, cause you know Stern's gonna Bavetta the shit out of everyone trying to get a Lakers-Celtics Finals.

All that said, Kidd has been good, and he seems to be meshing well with Dirkles.

Still wish we had Harris.

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 15, 2008 11:28 PM CDT reply actions

Good points mostly

And a bonus for the Tommy Boy reference.

by brettgardner on Mar 15, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions

Harris vs Jazz tonight

19pts 12Asts 8rbs. Still think it was the right move though.

LSB hates them some Mench.

by sprite on Mar 15, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions

Also

I'm kind of curious about your claim that every article about Josh Hamilton talks about him having no immune system.

I don't think that's true.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 15, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions

x

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1997/04/970423114328.htm

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 15, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions

this isn't really about josh hamilton

and this article measures the immunity of cocaine abusers while they are currently abusing cocaine (injecting mice with cocaine and then looking at thymus gland output). doesn't really talk about the effects of cocaine long term after you've stopped using.

and, this article talks about risk of infections and tumors. i haven't heard of hamilton having ot leave games because he has the flu. and this wouldn't affect things like recovering from injury.

so yeah, that article is completely useless

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:26 AM CDT up reply actions

So

I can abuse cocaine and alchohol for 7+ years and after I quit my body will fully heal itself. Post adicts have very fragile body's. Everyone on this site wants to think Hamilton's body is as good as new. I wish that was true, but that is the hopeful Ranger fan talking.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 12:34 AM CDT up reply actions

christ miles

fragile bodies? what the hell does that mean? and has it ever occurred to you to not spout off absolute crap when you don't know what the hell oyu are talking about? you're in high school and you've probably taken one biology class (and probably your last ever). maybe defer a little on something objective like this.

as for alcohol, liver damage is somewhat permanent but that doesn't risk infection a lot and 7 years of alcohol isn't all that much.

cocaine though, i've seen very few studies that suggest that cocaine has any sort of long term effect. go ahead. with the internet at your disposal, find me something.

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:59 AM CDT up reply actions

Alcohol

My grandfather was an alcoholic for the better part of his adult life (45-50 years) and had very few health problems. He was also a two-and-a-half pack a day smoker. He did come down with cirrhosis of the liver shortly before his death at age 78, but he died from skin cancer, which he got from years of exposure to the sun in his job building houses.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Mar 16, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions

well

there are exceptions. and i won't say that there aren't ill health effects while you are in the process of abusing a substance.

but, even for alcohol, there's not much evidence out there that you've done permanent damage to your body that will stay with you once you've stopped abusing. the only thing I could think of is liver problems and some studies that I googled suggest brain damage (although that seems dubious - and would probably require more than 7 years of abuse)

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions

didn't Hammy start off Spring Training ..

with a "bad cold" or flu? I remember hearing that. That doesn't mean it's related to his substance abuse but it doesn't necessarily mean that there is no relation either.

Josh Hits-a-ton is the new Gonezilla, minus the syringes.

by LAMuscleFag on Mar 16, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions

everybody and their mother

had the flu this past winter. i don't think that's very telling

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions

Here's what you said

I don't know here you are getting that I am trying to give medical opinions, because most articles have mentioned that his immune system is in terrible shape.

So, I want to know where all these articles are, all these articles about Hamilton that say Hamilton's immune system is in terrible shape.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 16, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions

x

"I can't control what people think, but the years of drug abuse tore up my immune system pretty good."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2926447

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions

Okay

That's one.

Where's the rest?

Since, you know, "most articles" have mentioned that his immune system is in terrible shape.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 16, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions

Dude, chillax, bro!!!

He's got secret sources in Cincinnati, okay?

Jeez!

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 16, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions

That

doesn't really have effect on the fact that he even admitted his immune system is wacko...

"but the years of drug abuse tore up my immune system pretty good."-Josh Hamilton

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions

I don't get it

You made a claim that most articles talk about this.

When called out on it, you link one article, and act as if that proves you right.

Just admit you overstated your claim.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 16, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions

I admit

I overstated my claim.

But I don't think his immune system is in tact.

"but the years of drug abuse tore up my immune system pretty good."-Josh Hamilton

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions

Jesus, Miles.

You've actually gone backwards in maturity as you've aged on this blog.

Everybody still wants the Mavs to win, they just disagreed with you on the best way to make that happen. It's life. People disagree. Let it go.

by Athos on Mar 15, 2008 11:57 PM CDT reply actions

Heh..

If you need to know one thing about me, its not to get worked up over I say. This isn't an attack on anyone, I am not trying to be mean. I am simply happy the Mavs are doing better, I was worried for awhile that the Mavs were done for good.

This week is the true test.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions

****What I say

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions

even people that agreed with him on the trade

probably don't agree with the post

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions

What

substance do you not agree with?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions

let's see

saying the offense has been better when it was actually playing worse before they beat up on a bunch of crappy teams.

saying dirk is better because of kidd when he actually started playing better right before the all-star break

thinking magloire will get back to his old self when that hasn't happened in a really long time and he looks like crap so far (might as well hope for eddie jones and juwan howard to do the same)

kidd (with a good josh howard) might make this team better. but this post is wrong mainly because you are gloating after they beat up on the 4 crappy teams after they couldnt' beat any good teams.

but whatever. you've never been afraid of being wrong before.

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions

The

funny thing is if they beat the Lakers this Tuesday you will tell me it is because they are without Gasol. If they beat the Celtics, you will tell me they are not playing at full strength.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions

And what is wrong with that statement?

The Lakers without Gasol are barely a playoff team, for example. We've done nothing but beat up on dogs. Show me a quality victory against another elite team, and I'll embrace J-Kidd with arms as open as anyone's.

http://heartbreakplex.blogspot.com "I'm a winner." -Miles

by BudLight @ Lone Star Ball on Mar 16, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions

lakers, probably

celtics, no. but the point is, i want to see them play well against a good team. if the celtics or lakers look good and the mavs beat them, it'll show me something.

but the fan in me just wants wins.

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:47 AM CDT up reply actions

Well

They looked fine against LA and SA, they just lost.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions

37% shooting is not fine

To their credit, they hung in that game with LA but that shooting is awful. They also shot 68% from the line that night.

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 16, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions

So you're saying

That they played a god-awful game and nearly defeated the #1 seed? I'll take that.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions

And you're saying

That almost winning games is acceptable. I'd rather not take that no matter who the opponent is.

by LoneStarBallUser on Mar 16, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions

Umm

No. That's not what I'm saying at all, actually, since we're talking about the team being fine against SA and LA. I think if you read what I wrote above, you'll see I don't think demolishing shitty teams proves anything, you have to show up against the best. While we didn't win against LA and SA, both games were exceptionally close, even though OT in the LA game blurs that.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions

Those games

would have been close pre-Kidd so you really have to look at the wins and losses to measure if the team now is better. Those few possessions aren't a great sample size but they do give some indication of what the team will do in crunch time.

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:14 PM CDT up reply actions

Couldn't be more wrong.

So you're saying that you can completely change the makeup of a team, compare that to a team who had been together for several years, and call it equal?

Ridiculous.

Nobody was more frustrated at the losses than me, but if you've watched the games, you can pretty clearly see an upward trend in cohesion from the time Kidd got here.

Wins and losses at this point only factor into seeding, not whether the trade was worth the price or not. That's just silly reasoning, because we won an extraordinary amount of games last year but wilted in the playoffs.

The true value of the trade will be seen in the playoffs. If the Mavs fail just as miserably, then it will be much harder to defend the trade.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions

ok

it's like you're responding to a different post.

upward cohesion trend - maybe. hard to tell because they played good teams early on and bad teams after that.

all i'm saying is that "close games" against good teams aren't enough to suggest this team can actually beat one of those good teams in the playoffs. maybe it's also too much to suggest that its evidence that they can't beat those teams.

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions

Uh huh.

You said:

"Those games would have been close pre-Kidd so you really have to look at the wins and losses to measure if the team now is better."

That's what I was responding to, smartass. You did post that, didn't you?

If anything, it's like you are responding to a different post. I never said that the close games meant anything with regard to the playoffs--I said the value of the trade will be judged by the playoffs.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions

easy there

i was just trying to figure out what great point i had made that you thought was so egregious. I was using the last team more as a point of reference, not as a validation of whether the trade was good or not.

and while your last statement is fine, you seemed to suggest that since they had kept it close against the good teams, you shouldn't be worried. i still think the losses are telling

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions

1997?

by Avery210 on Mar 16, 2008 12:00 AM CDT reply actions

Yes

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tk75Dehq2kY&feature=bz301

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions

Ha Ha Ha...

Mavs couldn't even take the Celtics to 6 right now. Although it really doesn't matter because they won't be getting to the Finals to have that chance. Mavs better worry about trying to get up to a 4/5 seed first. Baby steps.

As for my Celtics I still see it as a 50/50 coin toss for them or Detroit to go to the Finals from the East. The pesimist in me says Detroit will beat them in the Eastern Confrence Finals.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 16, 2008 12:42 AM CDT reply actions

playoff matchups

who would you want to play in the first round? despite the amazing streak i still say it has to be houston without yao.

by selppuc on Mar 16, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions

sorry

this really souldn't be a reply to slc's post.

by selppuc on Mar 16, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions

Give me

Houston, New Orleans, San Antonio, Phoenix, Utah and LA, in that order.

Right now, we would play Houston, but you'd have to hope that LA takes care of business against Golden State if we advance, because I still wouldn't want to play them.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions

houston

then everybody else - although my order:

houston, utah, new orleans, LA, Pho, SA

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions

SA last?

I know they deserve respect, but in watching many of their games this year, they look extremely lethargic to me. Now, maybe that's from energy preservation or maybe they're lazier/older, but they seem vulnerable to me this year, relatively speaking.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions

i just have a hard time

shaking years of dependability. but mainly their defense is stifling and they have enough high percentage plays in crunch time that can bail them out. the mavericks match up well, but i'd rather not face that kind of confidence.

teams like NO or Utah might be better or more difficult matchups but I just think come playoff time, they'll be susceptible to some choking

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions

Perhaps.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions

i think

utah and new orleans are two of the more undesireable matchups, while phoenix and san antonio wouldn't be that bad. i'd go:
houston, san antonio, phoenix, golden state, new orleans, utah, la.

by selppuc on Mar 16, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions

New Orleans

is a great team but can Chris Paul keep up with his magic in a 7 game series?

They are a young team, never playoff tested.

I watched them play San Antonio and I saw lots of holes on defense. They had alot of trouble stopping that offense which isn't that good. They have no perimiter defense whatsoever.

I would rather see them in the playoffs then say, Utah.

by miles on Mar 16, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions

i just think paul would torch us

dwill too. kidd isn't a very good one on one defender anymore. experience makes new orleans a little more desireable but i still think they are a pretty scary team particuarly for dallas.

by selppuc on Mar 16, 2008 3:28 PM CDT up reply actions

kidd

wouldn't guard those guys. or, he didn't in the first two games. not sure if avery would change up the starting lineup again but if stackhouse is the shooting guard, i guess kidd would have to guard them.

by ab03 on Mar 16, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions

Fact

Mavericks, pre-Kidd trade:

35-18, .660 winning percentage

Mavericks, post-Kidd trade:

8-5, .615 winning percentage

Adam J. Morris: everyone's favorite 100-year-old train conductor.

by ghtd36 on Mar 16, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions

Fact

Mavericks, post-3/13/08:

1-0, 1.000 winning percentage.

by brettgardner on Mar 16, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up reply actions

LOL @ Brett

You're so cute.

Adam J. Morris: everyone's favorite 100-year-old train conductor.

by ghtd36 on Mar 16, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions

I was against this trade

for the first day or two of the rumor - then I really thought about it, and it makes sense. Kidd is the best all-around point guard in the game right now. I know what you're all going to counter with - Nash, 2-time MVP? Well, Nash doesn't have the defense or rebounding that Kidd does, or the Finals experience. Deron Williams, Chris Paul? Neither can play the defense Kidd does against PG, SG and even SFs, neither rebounds as well as Kidd, and neither has the experience (once again, Finals here) as he does. The only other PG I'd rather have on this team might be Chauncey, and once again, I think Kidd's got him with better passing and rebounding.

all that said, we have to wait until short term tests at home this next week, and a few road wins against quality teams, before I know where this team is really headed - and even then, I don't really care until playoff time. When it's all said and done, if we play our way to a top 4 seed, and play inspiring basketball in the playoffs, I'll be a believer - whether we win or not. SUCH A TOUGH CONFERENCE THIS YEAR.

we're starting to look good, but that's the point - it's the finish that everybody cares about - I think this could have been posted after the three game stretch vs. San Antone, Boston and LA, Miles...

"Look at our current situation with that camel fu#%er over in Iraq. Pacifism is not something to hide behind."

by Walter Sobchak on Mar 16, 2008 3:52 PM CDT reply actions