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Monday morning stuff

Okay, what do we have out there today...

Josh Hamilton is impressing folks.  And Hamilton is impressed by his teammates:

When discussing the benefits of feeling more relaxed, the relationship he has quickly forged with teammates also can't be overlooked. It started with Michael Young, Hank Blalock and Ian Kinsler attending a news conference in which Hamilton candidly discussed his battle with drug abuse a month ago.

A day or two later, after the Rangers worked out, Kinsler invited him to grab a salad at a local bakery. Nothing really big there, except that Hamilton says it's the first time any professional teammate ever invited him for a meal.

Evan Grant also says that the Rangers have released R.J. Anderson, a 9th round pick from 2005 who got an above-slot bonus to forego a college scholarship.

Tim Cowlishaw has a column up on the impact the loss of Mark Teixeira will have on the team.

Jeff Wilson says yesterday's performance didn't help Sidney Ponson's bid to make the rotation...I still think Luis Mendoza gets called up for the April 12 start, and then the Rangers re-evaluate from there.  

On the injury front, Mark Connor was happy with Vicente Padilla's performance yesterday, but Milton Bradley is still sore, and it is looking less and less likely he'll be playing right field to start the season.  Kevin Millwood is going to start again Thursday, and C.J. Wilson and Joaquin Benoit will pitch on Tuesday.

Jim Hendry says the Cubs still need a righty outfield bat:

So if the season started today, would general manager Jim Hendry be satisfied with his roster?

''No,'' Hendry told the Sun-Times on Sunday. ''We're going to have to add somebody before Opening Day. I can't say for sure because you are going to have to acquire somebody from somewhere else, but we are going to have to add at least another outfielder to be in the mix off the bench -- from the right side.''

* * *

''You try to hold off and try to get the best guy you can,'' Hendry said. ''And that's what we're still going to try to do. And the other things, you don't know whether they are going to happen.''

The ''other things'' likely center on the Cubs' hunt for Baltimore Orioles second baseman Brian Roberts, though sources from both sides indicate a deal probably wouldn't be struck until the final days of camp. The Cubs also have interest in Boston Red Sox center fielder Coco Crisp, a switch hitter, and the Texas Rangers' Marlon Byrd, a righty-swinging outfielder who could play center.

The need for another outfielder has become so great, manager Lou Piniella will give right fielder Kosuke Fukudome some looks in center this week.

''One thing we don't have here is a backup center fielder,'' Piniella said. ''I said we weren't going to keep both young center fielders [Felix Pie and Sam Fuld] here. I'm going to have to play Fukudome in center a little bit this week.''

* * *

''I think Jim will be able to pick up a center fielder,'' Piniella said.

Hendry has been working overtime to swing a deal.

''You can even see from our spring training games where we're a little short out there,'' Hendry said. ''We never anticipate large trades are going to get made, so you don't count on having a lot different team than you have right now.''

So there you go...

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What does this
say about the Reds clubhouse?

"Nothing really big there, except that Hamilton says it's the first time any professional teammate ever invited him for a meal."

"This has been a team effort. No one or two guys could have done all this." - Casey Stengel, after the Mets lost 120 games in 1962

by RangerMad on Mar 17, 2008 10:19 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe
That's a little bit of support to the rumor that one of the reasons the Reds were willing to part with Hamilton is become he had become too popular with the fans which caused some player resentment.
"I live by a simple philosophy: Nobody can insult me as much as I've insulted myself." Josh Hamilton

by WyoRanger on Mar 17, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we got
a potentially elite hitting, better than average fielding defensive CF, because there was concerns he was too popular, that would be the ultimate deal.

Maybe I undervalue Volquez, and maybe he really is a front of the rotation pitcher, but if he isn't, it was a huge steal.

"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Mar 17, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe it already is a huge steal
Look at all of us. We're actually excited for a season in which we're pretty sure we won't win the division. Getting the fan base excited is a pretty big win for this organization.

Here's another interesting comment about Josh's batting practices: "'I don't want to look sometimes,' Byrd said. 'I just know he does some things I can't.'" That's really something for a guy to say about a player. Just by being a major leaguer Byrd's in the top 0.1% of the world in baseball but Josh is head and shoulders better.

"I live by a simple philosophy: Nobody can insult me as much as I've insulted myself." Josh Hamilton

by WyoRanger on Mar 17, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well....
not ONLY because he was too popular, but that there were performance concerns AND injury concerns, both of which might still come about....

Also, not sure if anyone else here has noticed, but Edinson's been doing pretty well so far:

http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/stats/sortable_player_stats.jsp?c_id=cin&baseballScope=CN2&su bScope=pos&teamPosCode=all&statType=Overview&timeSubFrame=23&sitSplit=&venueID=& amp;Submit=Submit&timeFrame=1

So, the question is, if we DID give a front of the rotation pitcher, would Hamilton be worth that even if the performance concerns never materialize? What if both the performance and injury concerns never materialize?

Req

by Requiem on Mar 17, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

depends on how front of the line
he's still giving up a decent number of hits.  but lets say you project him to a solid #3, borderline #2 and hamilton is a power hitting CFer with plus defense...

i think i take volquez but i don't feel so bad about it.

by ab03 on Mar 17, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Volquez has a lot of K's
But the 15 hits he's given up are also worth noting.

It's only spring training, after all - wait until he has to deal with the high-powered lineups of the NL Central, like Milwaukee, Houston, and Chicago.

I said this in a comment yesterday, but I think Volquez might wind up in the bullpen eventually. I think his electric stuff would play better there, and I think it would help him a lot if he didn't have to worry about going through a lineup twice. In the 'pen, I think he could be possible closer material.

But as a starter, I don't see him being more than a #3 at the best - he's too streaky and finicky to be an ace, though.

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

houston?
high powered?

by ab03 on Mar 17, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well
they were 13th in the NL in runs scored last year with 2 of those guys.  does adding tejada really make them formidable?

by ab03 on Mar 17, 2008 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pence
Houstons offense won't be the problem for them. Its the other 4 days in a rotation Oswalt isn't pitching that will be their downfall

by Steven on Mar 17, 2008 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen suggestions about that before
Something seems really strange about that.  Sure, Hamilton was a bonus baby which probably kept him unpopular in the low minors.  But in the bigs everyone makes a lot of money, and most of those guys were big bonus gys.  And I'm pretty sure Hamilton isn't the only big leaguer with drug problems, he's just one of the few with public ones...

Maybe being a rule 5 pick had something to do with it?  Did his inclusion on the roster keep a popular guy off the roster?  Maybe the Reds keeping Hamilton was like the Rangers trading Dellucci, with a bunch of grown men pouting and whining all year about it?

by JBImaknee on Mar 17, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think
the other players probably resented him more than anything. They had to "put in their time" and work through the minors, and he sits out a few years with drug problems and steps right into the majors "stealing" all there attention.

 

by BHill on Mar 17, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hamilton Stuff
Yeah all this news that trickles out is weird.  I mean it makes it sound like he had no support outside of Narron there.  Very strange.

I guess some of it might come from the guys grabbing a beer after the game or something, and not wanting to put him in that position, but it is just strange that not once someone reached out to him.

I can't even say good deal on the part of the Ranger clubhouse, because to me they are doing the common sense things to do.

Just very weird

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by Mike Simonek on Mar 17, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cubs
I'm surprised to see Hendry and Piniella speak so openly about their dire need for a RH centerfield backup. They come off as being desperate.

by Randy Richardson on Mar 17, 2008 10:21 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Trade
If we can get Donald Veal, I'm all for it

by meatbonelefty on Mar 17, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Veal...
I doubt he is available.  I like Murton, but there is no reason to do Byrd / Murton straight up.  Not like you are gaining a ton.  Trade a solid 4th OF for another solid 4th OF.  Think Gallagher would be available?

by JB on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I read somewhere
JD was asking for Murton + Veal or Ceda.

Gotta love a GM who drives a hard bargain.

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sometimes
but if you continue to ask for ridiculous deals, people aren't going to want to deal with you.
Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Mar 17, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hmm
thats what ricciardi complained about a few years ago with JD.  i think the rangers have made a couple of deals since then.

by ab03 on Mar 17, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Every time I hear that
I just think "sour milk". People get mad JD won't give in and do a deal they feel is reasonable cause JD feels he'd rather do nothing than do a deal he doesn't like. Whatever. Those GM's can suck it. The bottom line is that there are a finite number of teams in the league to deal with, and if a GM thinks he can improve his team dealing with the Rangers, he's going to at least explore that, his feelings for JD aside.

I remember the story about JD sticking to his guns with the Red Sox with the Gagne deal. The story went that they had agreed on Gabbard + Murphy + a prospect. JD wanted Engel Beltre to be that prospect. Boston didn't want to trade Beltre. They kept coming back with other prospective players to finish the deal, and JD kept saying, "No thanks. What about Beltre?" Finally the night before the deadline Theo realized that there was no way around it: If he wanted Gagne, he was gonna have to give up Beltre. JD stood firm and got the guy he wanted. He could have softened up a little bit and probably still gotten a pretty good deal while making a good friend in Theo, but instead he stood his ground, got the deal he wanted, and now as a result of his rigidity he won't be getting a Christmas card from Epstein. I think if I'm JD I take Beltre and do without the good will.

We true soldiers. We don't die. We keep rolling. Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah...

by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Amen...
If you don't think if Epstein hadn't have asked the world for CoCo Crisp he'd be a Ranger you are crazy.  We wanted him, Theo wanted too much, and JD moved on to greener pastures and found Hamilton.  I think our GM is up 2 on Theo in less than a year.  

by corbsclinton on Mar 17, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah
I am sure Theo cries himself to sleep about that on his 2 big ass World Series rings too.  

by Chris Martin on Mar 17, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly
But I tend to treat postseason as fluky.  Sometimes the best team wins.  Sometimes somebody on a warm streak upsets the apparent odds.

Theo won't be crying over much, but that doesn't counterfeit either trades made or missed opportunities.  But if you get what you want, sometimes the price you pay for it is termed too high.  Doesn't make that much difference, if you actually get what you want.  

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Mar 17, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure Theo...
isn't losing any sleep on it...but wouldn't you rather have Hamilton over Crisp?

It is odd sometimes how these things work out. What, we can't have Crisp unless we give up a top prospect. Ok well I guess we will settle for Josh Hamilton then. Thanks anyway.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 17, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
I think a guy named after what I had for breakfast would have been worth a top prospect, don't you? I mean, just imagine the marketability! Tom Hicks could have started his own brand of cereal!

Just think of it this way:

One amazingly talented CF: Edinson Volquez

Texas Ranger Coco Crisps: Priceless

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...
Well I don't think of it in those terms. I don't see it as a loss for Epstein. JD stuck to his guns in the Gagne deal and got what he wanted. Theo stuck to his guns re: Coco Crisp, and JD bowed out. It's not a win/loss thing. Theo will likely end up getting what he wants for Coco before long, so it's not like he got pwnd or anything.

And I think JD had targeted Hambone all along, and even if we'd gotten Coco we'd more than likely have gone after Hamilton for RF and eschewed signing Bradley.

But that's all pure conjecture. I have no real insight on the Coco negotiations.

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by thedirkatron on Mar 17, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Conjecture?
No man, call it a "rumor" like Miles does and it's ok to just make shit up.  Get with the program.

by Chris Martin on Mar 17, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strangeness in Cubbie land.
I don't understand how a backup righty CF would be a critical last piece for a contending team.  But, whatever.... What do I know about winning world series games, and if it benefits the Rangers, great.
Vitamin B12. You can get it in cereal or by an injection in the buttocks. Only one of the two ways ensures mutant muscle growth.

by rooster on Mar 17, 2008 10:36 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Byrd
I really hope that we move him prior to the start of the season.  I really am beginning to wonder what the teams fascination with Broussard is, he just seems to be a massive spare.  

by JKolar on Mar 17, 2008 12:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1 year deal
Who else is going to play 1B for us this year? Who else on the roster would you be comfortable putting out there 140 times this year? Hes a stopgap. Plain and simple. Chris Davis, the guy the organization has obviously targeted as the future 1B, is not ready. He played a couple months in Frisco last year. Hes not ready. Hopefully by next year he will be but if not look for another spare to be the 1B until he is. You can't just bring guys up when they have a good year and think they are ready for the major league grind. Theres a reason draft picks take a few years to reach the majors.

by Steven on Mar 17, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd have been happy
with a Botts/Cat platoon.  We already have those 2 roster cloggers, don't know why we want to add another one.

It's not like Broussard is particularly good with the glove, as he is a bit of a butcher.

"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Mar 17, 2008 4:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

butcher?
The only stats I can find show he has never had over 9 errors in a season.

by Steven on Mar 17, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Broussard's fielding
He's far from a butcher. He's no gold glover, but his defense at first is a lot better than Cat or Botts.

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 17, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Byrd
JD needs to get Tampa involved on Byrd.  Baldelli just went down for the umpteenth time, Byrd's just young enough to legitimately have a role until they contend, and apparently he's got the leadership skills for all that youth.

It's a better fit than the Cubs, anyway.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Mar 17, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm all for...
whatever ups his value.

More teams involved = better player in return

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 17, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup
I mentioned in another thread that Edwin Jackson from Tampa would be a great target.
Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you figure Tampa would be a better fit?
Unlike the Rays, the Cubs actually want Byrd.

Not that there's anything wrong with making a pitch to the Rays on Marlon, but the Cubs really like Byrd - he seems to be the guy they want. Which is why I still think they may cave here before the season starts.

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

see the "hurleyites" diary -->
Tampa is looking for a RF/CF and they are willing to deal from their pitching surplus.

Links and ideas are over there.

Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson
I don't know, that doesn't seem like it would have a big chance of paying off to me, but it might be nice to find out.  
A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 17, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.
Not a big chance, but still it is the type of move that a pitching starved organization should make in a rebuilding year. The most likely result would be that we traded Byrd for a servicable 24 year old 5th starter, with the small possibility that his plus stuff starts translating and Jackson turns into more than that.

Nothing wrong with moves like that.

Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except
Getting guys like him just feels like a grass is always greener over there kind of thing.  There's a reason he's available from a team that is not exactly going to lead the league in pitching this year.
A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 17, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

when you have
Sidney Ponson and Kason Gabbard in your rotation with Luis Mendoza the next best option, then yeah, there is a good chance that the grass really is greener elsewhere.

And I could be way off, but I think TB is going to have a pretty legit rotation. They have a couple of guys that won't make their rotation that would fit nicely in ours.

Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rays Rotation
They have a solid top 3, but after that the dropoff is severe and the bullpen is nothing to be proud of.  Like the Rangers, though, they have several guys coming up who could help a lot, and probably sooner than the Rangers prospects.
A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 17, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll definitely take our pen over TB's...
but man it would be nice to have those front 3 starters. It would almost justify a 4/5 of Gabbard and Ponson/Mendoza...almost.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 17, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Edwin Jackson = Robinson Tejeda
Do we really want to go through that all again?

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As opposed to...
Sidney Ponson, Kason Gabbard, Jamey Wright, Luis Mendoza, etc?

Sure. If you give young guys with filthy stuff chances, you can end up with a top rotation starter eventually. If you keep trotting fringe guys out there, you might end up with a reliable bottom rotation guy eventually.

In what should be a rebuilding year, I'd much rather roll the dice with Tejeda and a guy like Edwin Jackson over any of the names listed above.

Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson
has a 1.716 career WHIP, and has walked 152 in 272 innings career. He also has a 5.64 career ERA. His career ERA+ is 78.

He may have good stuff, but he hasn't figured out how to use it yet - I'd much rather try and pry a prospect like Veal from the Cubs than settling for Edwin Jackson.

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Veal
is only one year younger than Jackson and posted a 4.97 era, 1.53 whip, and over 5 bb/9 last season in AA.
Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True
But that was his first stint in AA - give him time.

There's other guys other than Veal, anyway - Samardzija, or Ceda, for example.

Samardzija had the best curveball in the Cubs org. in 2006, according the Baseball America.

My point with Jackson though, is he has yet to show any success on the ML level - I know he's awfully young, but his numbers are just atrociuos...

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's had
1 year of Major League starting experience, from a practical standpoint.  

by brettgardner on Mar 17, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's his minor league numbers
http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=22338

Those look fairly pedestrian to me. I just don't see the fascination with this guy - nothing I can find says he's got anything particulary special.

by lonestarJon on Mar 17, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball America
ranked him as the #4 prospect in baseball 4 years ago.

Ahead of Prince Fielder, Grady Sizemore, Scott Kazmir, David Wright and Cole Hamels.

Of course those rankings aren't the end-all, but it should speak to his talent.

Hambone, Hambone where you been? I been around these bases, and I'm going again.

by tricer on Mar 17, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gawd, how did you guys...
...miss this gem:

"Washington said the club will make a decision on the fifth starter before the end of spring training."

Thats always good to know.

by corbsclinton on Mar 17, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...
in his defense we don't really need a 5th starter for the first 3 weeks of the season or so.

If they give the job to Ponson and then Mendoza has 3 very good starts at AAA, and Ponson sucks it up in that same time, they could change their mind before that 5th starter is needed.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Mar 17, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...
I almost prefaced that quote with that but with all the Wash haters around here I thought it was funny someone didn't jump on it.  I like Wash.  I think he is learning on the job and thats not ideal if you are in win now mode but we aren't.  And I think he can get the experience he needs to get to where he needs be to lead a contending team when we are ready.  If he has a good year my bet is he gets extension that matches how long we currently will be with Nolan and JD.

by corbsclinton on Mar 17, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've taken to calling
Wash's occasional WTH? remarks "washouts".  

Not quite the category of Stengalese, or Yogi-isms, but sometimes it doesn't come out just like he intends it.

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by Ed Coffin on Mar 17, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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