Rangers adding Patterson
by Adam J. Morris
on Mar 23, 2008 8:32 PM CDT
T.R. Sullivan reports that the Rangers are going to sign John Patterson to a minor league deal.
That's fine with me. He was good recently. If he gets back to his old self, the Rangers got themselves a good pitcher. If not, well, no big loss.
I would guess that this means the AAA rotation starts out as Luis Mendoza (to keep him on pace with the 5th starter schedule in Texas), Eric Hurley, Patterson, Doug Mathis, and A.J. Murray.
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Uproar?
Based on the last few minor league deals we have signed players to I am curious how big the uproar will be on this one
by bigsteve on Mar 23, 2008 8:37 PM CDT 0 recs
oh interesting..
he was the Nats opening day starter last year.
What was his injury?
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by LAMuscleFag on Mar 23, 2008 8:37 PM CDT 0 recs
I like this signing
I hope he does well in OKC.
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by boomer1 on Mar 23, 2008 8:37 PM CDT 0 recs
He's obviously
in bad condition for them to just release him, but he was pretty darn good before getting hurt. I've always liked him.
by zywica on Mar 23, 2008 8:40 PM CDT 0 recs
+1
I liked him before he got hurt
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by coolaid on
Mar 23, 2008 8:41 PM CDT
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As a minor
league deal I think tthis is good
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by camartin44 on Mar 23, 2008 8:41 PM CDT 0 recs
Good signing,
no risk involved, only good things could come from it.
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by miles on Mar 23, 2008 8:49 PM CDT 0 recs
It's clear
that the Rangers aren't just handing over spots on the roster to these guys on minor league deals so I'm fine with this. If it pans out great, if he never sees Arlington fine.
I am interested to know what convinced him to sign with Texas because I have to believe other teams were willing to give him a minor league deal.
by TexasTiger on Mar 23, 2008 8:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah
He apparently wanted to come back to Texas, but I'm not sure why he chose us over Houston, who wanted him too.
by zywica on
Mar 23, 2008 8:50 PM CDT
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yikes
If Washington deemed Patterson out of shape... after seeing what constitutes as passable in Washingtons eyes with Nick Johnson.... Patterson might be 400 pounds and in a wheelchair.
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by JJStuart on Mar 23, 2008 8:55 PM CDT 0 recs
I actually like this OK
I'm not jumping up and down, but I'm fine with it. He'll be a nice commodity to have in AAA, and if he's healthy (that's a big if, but still), he could even wind up contributing in the ML rotation.
Unlike a certain Sidney Ponson, John Patterson has actually had some success in his career - his problem is, he's just been hurt the last two seasons. As long as this is a minor league deal, I'm fine with it - even though he's probably not 100% healthy, he's a better investment than Ponson.
by lonestarJon on Mar 23, 2008 9:03 PM CDT 0 recs
really?
How do you define success? The stats I am looking at show they are pretty even. The major difference is Patterson has had 1 season where he pitched over 100 innings. Ponson has had 4 over 200 inning seasons.
by bigsteve on
Mar 23, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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The difference is, Patterson used to be a top-of-the-rotation starter
Sidney Ponson used to be a bottom-of-the-barrel spare for whoever was unlucky enough to have him.
The last time Patterson was healthy (which was admittedly back in 2005) he put up an ERA+ of 130. Ponson's career high ERA+ is 117, and that was way back in 2003. Patterson's career WHIP is also 1.351, wheras Ponson's is 1.463.
There's also the fact that since 2003, Ponson has been consistent crap, due largely in part to the fact that he has had past drinking problems, and problems staying in shape. And, oh yeah, he was never anything more than a fringe-average pitcher to begin with.
Patterson, on the other hand, enjoyed a breakout season in 2005, and then got hurt, which has limited his playing time greatly the last two years.
If Patterson is healthy (which is admittedly unlikely) he could provide a solid middle of the rotation presence. If Ponson is healthy, he'll provide fringe-average production (if we're lucky) from the #5 spot. You tell me, which one has the better possibility of being an asset?
by lonestarJon on
Mar 23, 2008 9:30 PM CDT
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top of the rotation?
What made you think he was going to be a top of the rotation starter? Just because he was the Nationals #1 starter doesn't mean he is a top of the rotation guy. Im looking at his minor league stats and after reaching AA he was crap. For 4 years in a row he had an ERA over 4 with peripherials that weren't very good. I know about his 1 good year but how does that make him a potential top of rotation guy? I don't think either guy will amount to much if anything here in the Ranger organization but it does make me laugh a little seeing all the fuss that occurred with the signings of Mench, Ponson, Wright, etc to the same deals but this spare everybody is happy to see come aboard.
by bigsteve on
Mar 23, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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I'm not too concerned
Because I seriously doubt he will be healthy enough to see time in the bigs, and steal anyones playing time. And even if he is, I think there's a real chance he could be a solid pitcher.
Back in 2005, which is widely considered a breakout year for him, he posted a 3.13 ERA, a 1.195 WHIP, and struck out 185 to 65 BB (along with the 130 ERA+ I mentioned above). Those are top-of-the-rotation numbers. He was posting similar ones in 2006 before he got hurt - only 8 starts and 40 innings, but a 1.107 WHIP, 42 K to 9 BB, and a 4.43 ERA before he got hurt that year - he was picking up pretty much where he had left off in 2005. It's very unfortunate that the injuries have derailed his career, because this guy does indeed have talent.
If he can get healthy - and that's a huge "if" - he could be quite solid for us - and he only turned 30 this January, so I think this signing is worth the risk. Even if he never does get healthy, it's not like we'll have lost anything by giving him a spot in AAA.
Again, this is completely different than Ponson - Patterson actually has the stuff to be a good pitcher, so in this case, we really do have everything to gain, and nothing to lose.
by lonestarJon on
Mar 23, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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Ponson
fwiw, Ponson was always thought to have top of the rotation stuff. It has been his other issues that have hampered him.
by Adam J. Morris on
Mar 23, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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Top of the rotation stuff...
But fringe-average #'s, even in his best years. At least Patterson has actually flashed T-o-R numbers, even if it was only for a short period, and cut short by injury.
by lonestarJon on
Mar 23, 2008 9:58 PM CDT
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Wrong
Ponson had an era+ of 117 in 2003. Regardless of his career numbers, a +117 is not considered fringe-average.
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by jparks77 on
Mar 24, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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I just wanna know
who wins the quarters game between Ponson, Blalock, and Padilla.
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by DJCahill on
Mar 24, 2008 9:34 AM CDT
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May I ask why you
have Blalock in with Padilla and Ponson?
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by RangerMad on
Mar 24, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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Hahaha....
SHHH, people will get offended about that comment on this site...
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by miles on
Mar 24, 2008 1:40 PM CDT
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Ponson
is Ponson not even in the AAA rotation? long relief?
by ab03 on Mar 23, 2008 9:14 PM CDT 0 recs
not a real big baseball expert here
but it seems like it's a low risk, medium-to-high reward signing. If he works through his injury issues, could end up being a good deal. If not, he can go work with Lincoln Coleman on the Home Depot loading dock.
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by Bob Loblaw on Mar 23, 2008 9:25 PM CDT 0 recs
AAA
Seems like a good deal for me. See if he has anything left in AAA and see how the season plays out. Maybe we get lucky and he gets back to his 2004 days. If not drop at the end of this year.
by psmitty on Mar 23, 2008 9:37 PM CDT 0 recs
Cool.
I was hoping the Rangers could get him on a minor league deal. I thought some other team would pick him up for a swingman spot.
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by rooster on Mar 23, 2008 9:44 PM CDT 0 recs
Wow
This excites me more than I can express, I've always thought this guy had ace stuff. Maybe not anymore but damn, to roll the dice on a guy like this and not have to give anything up is a spectacular signing imo.
by j d on Mar 23, 2008 9:47 PM CDT 0 recs
Patterson video
Interview w/Wash Post on 2/21/08 - LINK
by shroomer on Mar 23, 2008 9:48 PM CDT 0 recs
Dude's pretty young still, right?
under 30 at least - I think 29?
anyways, with him and Jennings, we have two guys that have had great success recently and had horrible numbers and injuries last year (and with Patterson 2006 as well). If he's healthy, WHY THE HELL NOT - and we can just call him Ponson 2.0 and send the original Sid packing, or keep him aboard as Vinny Pad's AA partner...
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by Walter Sobchak on Mar 23, 2008 10:05 PM CDT 0 recs
He
turned 30 in January, I think
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by fsujon on
Mar 23, 2008 10:12 PM CDT
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January 30th
And he's from Orange, Texas, BTW.
by lonestarJon on
Mar 23, 2008 10:14 PM CDT
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fine by me
downside is he takes a AAA roster spot (or dl spot...) for a while and leaves. no big deal.
upside he gets himself together and is an improvement for the back of the rotation.
i think its a pretty small chance that he does do that, but for a minor league deal might as well find out.
by DSheppard on Mar 23, 2008 10:08 PM CDT 0 recs
the way I see it with Jennings and Patterson
is if we catch fire with one or both, we sign those guys to an extension and then we have the freedom to try to trade Millwood or Padilla - or both, whoever is having a successful year - to a playoff team that needs starting pitching for some really good young talent/draft picks. That way, we're not blocking Hurley or Harrison's path after the all star break, we've got some veteran pitchers at the top of the rotation, McCarthy and Gabbard in the mix, and we can make a huge signing (if any are available) with the money we save to get a true Ace in the offseason. And in addition, maybe we can flip Laird or Salty and Cat in addition and catch a pretty good starter in return...the more upper level starting pitching prospects we can take back, the more likely we are to have a Ranger pitching prospect finally succeed FOR US in the majors.
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by Walter Sobchak on
Mar 23, 2008 10:15 PM CDT
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I like the Jennings/Patterson comp
That's actually pretty accurate, in terms of stuff, and how good they might be if healthy. Patterson strikes more guys out, though.
by lonestarJon on
Mar 23, 2008 10:18 PM CDT
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low risk/high reward
typical JD.
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by dstar442005 on Mar 23, 2008 10:28 PM CDT 0 recs
Which is a good thing
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by boomer1 on
Mar 23, 2008 10:30 PM CDT
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High Reward?
At least the "low risk" part might apply.
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by Clueless on
Mar 23, 2008 11:11 PM CDT
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add him to the list of guys
that we can forever ask Evan/T.R. "How is ______ doing? Is he going to come back soon?' In the last 4 years, he's stayed healthy exactly once. Every other season he's pitched under 100 innings.
He's far more likely to increase the Ranger's Health Insurance premiums than he is to contribute to them ever winning a baseball game.
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by jtts on Mar 23, 2008 10:40 PM CDT 0 recs
As Chris Carpenter was
when the Cards first signed him.
by zywica on
Mar 23, 2008 11:01 PM CDT
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not really
Carpenter missed two years, but was a consistently productive pitcher prior to his injury. Patterson has a one year track record. Carpenter had about 5 straight years of health with above average production prior to missing 2002-2003.
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by jtts on
Mar 24, 2008 1:54 AM CDT
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More on the Patterson deal
It's not much, but it includes a quote from JD:
http://texas.rangers.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080323&content_id=2454090&vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=tex
by lonestarJon on Mar 23, 2008 11:00 PM CDT 0 recs
Not sure why
Nats elected to release Patterson this early, but it is a good move by JD to sign him to a minor league contract. But his 06 strained forearm problems which led to September 06 surgery for nerve problems in his right forearm, sounds kind of what is happening to McCarthy. I sure hope not and that we see McCarthy soon.
I guess the question is: Has Patterson's rehab gone as far as it can? Since it has been only since Sep 06, I say probably not. Then perhaps we have acquired a fine power arm at little cost.
by TitaniumJoe on Mar 24, 2008 11:23 AM CDT 0 recs
To save money
If they wait until after the season starts, they have to pay him his whole salary.
by Adam J. Morris on
Mar 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT
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only since Sep 06
that's a long time ago at this point
by ab03 on
Mar 24, 2008 12:57 PM CDT
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Yep,
you could be right. The Nats seem to think so, not willing to go any further with his rehab.
by TitaniumJoe on
Mar 24, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Good move
Not likely to pan out since he's 1) never been able to pitch a full season, and 2) hasn't been able to throw as hard as he did pre-surgeries.
But still, this is a minor-league deal which has the POSSIBILITY of becoming good.
Plus only if he performs, will he really get a shot at the rotation. Pitchers are much harder to keep in the lineup if they don't perform, since if they don't perform it affect the WHOLE pitching staff, whereas a hitter if he doesn't perform doesn't affect anyone else.
So, if he can get his fastball back up to the low 90s, he'll be a good gamble. If he never does, he was just a minor league contract.
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