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David Pinto offers his A.L. West preview.

He has the M's finishing first, the Rangers finishing last, although he has praise for the direction the Rangers are going.

 

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year this team did not have heart. Players that had heart in the past were Eric Young, and David Dellucci. Does this Rangers team have heart? That is yet to be seen but I know one thing. Wether you want to hear about it or not, Milton Bradley brings toughness and competivness that feeds off to this team. He is the type of guy that can fire a team up.

Milton Bradley for MVP

by miles on Mar 24, 2008 5:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Talent >>>>>>>>>>>> Heart

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

by DaheelzCM on Mar 24, 2008 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heart

Yeah, we defintely need more heart on this team.

You know what we need? David Eckstein. Grit is in his DNA. This team doesn't have enough grit.

And Darin Erstad. He was a punter for the Univeristy of Nebraska, did you know that? And he plays baseball like he plays the game of hockey!

We could also use Derek Jeter's calming eyes. And Juan Pierre's defiance, resolve and the chip on his shoulder. And just for good measure, we should also try to get Ryan Theriot, Jaques Jones, and Scott Podsednik. With a team like that, we'd never lack "heart" again!

by lonestarJon on Mar 24, 2008 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn, Sarcasmo.

I know it's the hipster opinion du jour to mock any possible meaningfulness to intangibles, but I think you are a little off base here.

Obviously, affordable talent is the most valuable commodity. And I don't really know whether better leadership (is that description less offensive than "heart"to your inner nerd?) would have helped the 07 Rangers. And perhaps you are just having a funny. But if not, I'll suggest that it just might be possible that if a team plays as godawfully as the Rangers did to start the season, leadership or management or competitive vigor or some other impossible to accurately quantify aspect might have something to do with it.

The Brian...out.

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Mar 24, 2008 8:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

as much as i hate talking about clubhouse leadership and heart, there's definitely some aspects that need to be considered. At least this offseason, you have that figuring in with the Marlon Byrd situation and we might have seen the problems that created when Dellucci left.

by ab03 on Mar 24, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The face of the franchise

is getting paid enough for intangibles and leadership to cover the entire team for the next decade. Tell him to step up the leadership.

I'm just glad we picked up a few guys who can actually play baseball, like Bradley and Hamilton.

I don't care how much "leadership" you have, you aren't gonna win much without much talent, and last year's team wasn't particularly talented. Last year's team had an infield and a bullpen, and thats about it.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Mar 24, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, so when I said

"Obviously, affordable talent is the most valuable commodity," how was I unclear?

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Mar 24, 2008 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Intangibles

While I think that "heart" is overrated, I do think that clubhouse negatives do have impact. And by negatives I don't mean Milton Bradley's "attitude problem", which I have always seen as intensity and a net positive.

Last year, three distractions contributed significantly to the team stumbling out of the gate for : a> conflict between Washington and players (i.e., Laird, Teixeira); b> the huge distraction of the inevitable Teixeira trade; and c> Sammy Sosa.

Where leadership comes in is the ability of the team to overcome these distrcations and focus on what was important (winning games). And we didn't see that last year - the Laird situation spiraled out of control, the offense stayed in a funk until June, and Teixeira remained a distraction until he was finally traded.

I think this year the Rangers are in a better situation because while there are some negative story-lines (Laird vs Salty; someone is about to be really unhappy); the potential positive stories are much stronger (Hamilton (of course), a comeback by Jason Jennings, and a hopefully healthy, friendly Milton Bradley)

by JBImaknee on Mar 24, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you Brian

I was just having a 5 AM moment of extreme humor. That happens when I've gotten to bed way too late and have to get up way too early.

I do think Milton Bradley will do a lot to fire up this team this year in the clubhouse... that wasn't what I was taking issue with. It's the reference to Eric Young and David Dellucci by Miles I'm not so sure about. Dellucci had one good year here, and Young was here for exactly one mediocre season - those aren't the type of players I'd want back on this team.

I think it's fine if you can find a guy with some heart/fire that also has some talent - but let's not start wishing for mediocre players, just becuase the have "heart".

by lonestarJon on Mar 24, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

We all read FJM as well.

lepricon

by jparks77 on Mar 24, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, Jason

Now who's not appreciating the sarcasm?

I had hoped that since you all read FJM as well, you guys might get it... judging by some of these responses however, I guess not.

by lonestarJon on Mar 24, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regurgitated

Like most all of your thoughts. Except the ones that make no sense....those are all yours.

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Mar 24, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is nobody

mentioning the fact that McClaren is virtually a rookie manager. With him at the helm last Seattle was barely a .500 team.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Mar 24, 2008 10:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Seattle

to me that team has no depth. The Angels have their top two starters down but could still run away with the division. If Seattle had even one comparable injury they'd be done.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 24, 2008 10:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Seattle is a very good team if everyone performs at their best and no one get injured. But by that argument, so is Texas.

Also, regarding Bedard. I've mentioned this before, but is anyone else wondering if there will be a Leo Mazzone effect? Pitchers often boost their stats for a few years under his eyes...

by JBImaknee on Mar 24, 2008 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Record through June

Enjoy the first couple of months of the season. I can see the Mariners, Rangers and Angels all neck and neck through June.

In June, once the angels' starters return, they will start to pull away. then in July, when the Rangers start auctioning off players, they will dive down into mediocrity.

Of course, this problem is not with the players, or with the management, or even with Jon Daniels. Its from the top, where Tom Hicks does not want to put a winning team on the field, nor leverage any prospects to try and win this season. Imagine if the team is 5 games out at the ASB but only a game over .500:

Would the team:
a) trade some prospects to fill holes (like Blake Beavan and Elvis Andrus for Adam Dunn)?
b) punt the season by trading players for prospects (like Blalock, Millwood, etc?
c) make no moves and claim everyone is asking for too much/little

A shows a commitment to winning this year if possible and a shrewdness to get a deal done which will help the team in the short term even if it hurts in the long term.
B shows that the team is not committed to winning now, and may never be.
C shows nothing other than Jon Daniel's incompetence (which I doubt)

Note that what we saw last year was "B", but at least Daniels executed the desired trades and got some serious value for them, transforming a Ranger system from laughable to the deepest in baseball. Its up to Daniels' boss to determine direction, and up to Daniels to make the team move that way.

by iblum on Mar 24, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If the Rangers

are in the mix at the ASB and only a game over .500, sending Beaven and Andrus to the Reds for Dunn wouldn't be a commitment to winning. It would be blatant act of stupidity.

lepricon

by jparks77 on Mar 24, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We are not committed to winning now

(at least not at the expense of the farm system anyway). I hope, that as someone else said the other day, that if we are close at the ASB we don't get stupid and sell the farm for glory this year. I see (Finaly) a mission statement as to rebuilding for the long haul and actual progress in that direction instead of management getting excited about some "past their prime player" and trading all our prospects for them wich has been "buisness as uasual.

* "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there." - Yogi Berra (looks like he might have been thinking about the Rangers)

by camartin44 on Mar 24, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is with the Hicks bashing?

Hicks is not running the team into the ground. It isn't his fault that a> Angels overpaid for Hunter, b> Santana doesn't want to jeopardize a hall of fame bid by pitching in Arlington, or c> the Mariners decided to trade their future (Adam Jones) for a short-term boost with Erik Bedard.

Hicks has made 3 really bad moves as the Rangers owner. First, acquiescing to ARod's demand to be traded; second signing Chan Ho Park; and 3rd letting Grady Fuson go. Though the last is mitigated by a promising JD and the relatively low productivity of Fuson's drafts while here. Everything else that has doomed this franchise in the 2000s (i.e., Hafner trade, Young trade, Soriano trade) is more the GM at the time's fault, which is of course related to Hicks, but not directly, and could have been argued either way at the time.

There are many worse owners in baseball. For instance, Peter Angelos is the reason the Orioles don't win. Hicks is not Peter Angelos. He's not Drayton McLane. Those are BAD owners. No he isn't Arte Moreno or John Henry either. But the Rangers don't bring money in like those teams either.

Bad luck, not bad ownership, has doomed this team recently

by JBImaknee on Mar 24, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Without a Doubt

Tom Hicks is one of the five worst owners in MLB today.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Mar 24, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Out of date

I think that statement was very true a couple of years ago. But Hicks has gone through a learning curve and seems to be letting his baseball people stick to a plan. I'd say that over the last year or so he's been a much better owner, but reporters and fans are still knee-jerking as if nothing has changed.

I still don't trust him any farther than I could throw him, but it's time to acknowledge that he might no longer be on the short list of terrible owners.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 24, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hicks

Threw $ 75 million at Torii Hunter & $100 million at Zito within the last two years.

What part of "The Plan" includes moves like these?

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Mar 24, 2008 1:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does

that hurt the farm system?

Milton Bradley for MVP

by miles on Mar 24, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How are those bad?

The plan includes signing significant free agents when the opportunity arises. The team needs pitchers and outfielders, and those two were widely considered top options at the time. Signing Zito and/or Hunter would not in any way have precluded the development of their young pitchers or outfielders.

One of the most voiced complaints these days is that Hicks is somehow cheap. He has said he's willing to open the bank for the right players. These two examples and the posting offer for Matsuzaka prove that. The fact that Zito and Hunter ended up getting way too much money does not change that.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 24, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And another thing

Offering large contracts to the biggest names on the free agent market does not seem to me to get owners on the list of 5 worst owners in baseball. Owners shouldn't go after top free agents?

Please tell me in what specific ways Hicks qualifies for this short list, but only with examples from the last 18 months. I'll grant you that he was stupid for his first few years. My position is that he's improved and you're not suggesting anything to change my mind.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 24, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are two types of Hicks haters

Those who say that he doesn't spend enough money (I'm guessing iblum up there)
and
those who say that he spends money too loosely (like Josey Wales here).

Given that there are probably about the same number criticizing him on either side, its a pretty good guess that Hicks is spending just what he should spend.

by JBImaknee on Mar 24, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Problem with hicks

My problem with hicks is that I lack the confidence that if this team is in contention in july that he will open the bank to help consummate a deadline deal that will help the team win the division. The old saying is, "flags fly forever". Remember 1996, 1998, and 1999. in 1996, the Rangers acquired Mike Stanton at the deadline and John Burkett just after it. at that time they were 11 games over .500 and had a 2 game lead in the division. In 1998, they picked up Esteban Loiaza just before the trade deadline and Todd Stottlemeyer, Royce Clayton, and Todd Zeile at the deadline. They were 6 games over .500 and 1 game behind in the standings. In 1999, they made no moves around the deadline but were 19 games over .500 and a robust 8 games up in the division.

Now, Mike Stanton, John Burkett, Todd Stottlemeyer, Royce Clayton, and Todd Zeile are not HOFers. nor are they stars in any way. but...... flags fly forever

by iblum on Mar 24, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess you don't remember 2 years ago

When we were 2 games out of the division lead and JD and Hicks went out and acquired the best hitter available in Carlos Lee.

by bigsteve on Mar 24, 2008 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Plan

You realize when "The Plan" took effect right? It was about the middle of May last year after we got off to our horrendous start and JD finally got Hicks to open his eyes and see that we needed to focus on the long term success of the organization rather than try and do a quick fix every year. The Zito offer was still during the previous plan where we were always "one piece away". And personally I believe the Hunter offer was Hicks listening to the fans and media who were so insistant on a "hometown" guy playing here they got in his head.

Hopefully now that its apparent JD has Hicks trust and Nolan is a buffer so to speak Hicks won't get these ideas that we are one piece away until we actually are. And when that time comes I believe JD and Nolan will decide who that one piece is and Hicks will do whatever it takes to get it.

by bigsteve on Mar 24, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

* "You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you're going, because you might not get there." - Yogi Berra (looks like he might have been thinking about the Rangers)

by camartin44 on Mar 24, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Big Part of The Problem

With this team is that Tom Hicks hired Jon Daniels, who is also a bottom 5 GM.

JD then hired Ron Washington who is easily a bottom 5 manager.

Incompetency begats more incompetency.

Until Nolan Ryan came aboard this thing was afloat in total incompetency and nobody knew what the f they were doing.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Mar 24, 2008 4:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nolan

Because Nolan Ryan is easily a top 5 President right? Based on his vast experience as a ML President.

by bigsteve on Mar 24, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wrong

John Hart is still drawing a Rangers' paycheck. That single fact creates enough bad karma to change tidal flows.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Mar 24, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha is that what the problem is Ed?

Is Big Daddy still paying the ole boy to golf?

I hereby ordain you Benny Brou Ha Ha<-----Wash thinks you can hit lefties....in 2 months time you will be a full fledged Brouhaha..trust me on that one.

by LAMuscleFag on Mar 24, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angels

They should win the division because they have the fewest question marks. They are solid from top to bottom.

by Randy Richardson on Mar 24, 2008 4:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nolan Ryan

I have much more faith in him than I do either JD or Washington.

Nolan Ryan wasn't hired because he was affordable.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Mar 24, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No he was hired because of his name

But that doesn't mean he will have success. Personally I think he will but its no guarantee.

Ask the Phoenix Coyotes if having Wayne Gretzky as coach has all of a sudden turned all their players into 100 point players.

Or ask the Pacers if having Larry Bird as Pres/GM turned their team into a dynasty.

Maybe ask the Knicks how Isiah Thomas has helped their team.

by bigsteve on Mar 24, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ask Who?

Why would I want to ask those teams about Nolan Ryan?

What "Plan" are we on now?

by Clueless on Mar 25, 2008 11:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, you and Josey, riddle me this

So your contention is that:

A) JD is thoroughly incompetent and incapable. He has no idea what he's doing.

B) Ryan is a man to be trusted in all matters baseball.

If that is the case, then when:

C) Ryan gives JD a full vote of confidence, proclaiming that Daniels and his plan are a MAJOR reason for coming on board...

Then I believe what we have here is one of them there logical fallacies I heard tell of.

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Mar 25, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

1 recs

is the new +1.

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 25, 2008 8:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

When did I say ask those teams about Nolan Ryan? I was making the comparison of a former HOF player who took over as either a front office personnel or a coach and their teams still stink. Just because you add a former great player doesn't mean his past success on the field will translate to a new generations success on the field.

by bigsteve on Mar 25, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

reply

Do you not understand the function of the reply?

A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 24, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan, Bird, Gretzky, Thomas

Are all different people with different experiences and accomplishments.

To judge them equally or give them the same chance for success is foolish.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Mar 24, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

You posted that Hicks is a terrible owner who has hired a terrible GM and Manager but the great Nolan Ryan and his vast experience as President will turn things around. Not true.

He was a great player nobody disputes that. But just because a guy is a great player doesn't make them great coaches, presidents, gms, or owners. Hell Micheal Jordan is probably the best to ever play basketball but as an owner he was and is god awful. Gretzky, Bird, and Thomas were all at the top of their sports as players but as front office personnel or club officials they are lousy. Yes every case is different but Nolan Ryan is no savior. Whatever turnaround this organization makes will not be soleley because of Nolan freaking Ryan.

by bigsteve on Mar 24, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josey Wales

Who woke him up? Haven't seen him around, but now that he's awake, he's crabby.

What happened to my old signature?

by WyoRanger on Mar 24, 2008 5:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brilliant!

He picked them for last, yet thinks they're headed in the right direction, which I assume can only be UP.
Genius!

What "Plan" are we on now?

by Clueless on Mar 24, 2008 6:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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