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The new BP

The new BP just arrived, and my (very) initial reaction is disappointment.

The Rangers chapter is basically a Cliff's Notes history of the franchise's ownership history and recent foibles, including stating that the Rangers have made "one huge steal of a trade" in getting Michael Young, but otherwise have just given away talent in the last 10 years or so, and includes in this "the delusional deal that sent closer Francisco Cordero to Milwaukee for two months of Carlos Lee amid a losing season"...I know BP isn't a monolithic haven of groupthink, but I'm pretty sure that deal was praised by several authors at the time.

Then I get to the player comments for the Rangers.  Elvis Andrus is the first one, and his comment consists entirely of:

Loaded with tools and playing in a full-season league at age 17, Andrus was the darling of the Braves' system in 2006, but by last year's deadline he was headed to Texas in the Mark Teixeira deal.  The problem is that Andrus is just not a good hitter.  He is, however, an outstanding defensive player.  We'd say he'll never bat at the top of a lineup, but this is the organization that led off Wayne Tolleson and Curtis Wilkerson.

And I'm thinking...really?  This is the best the folks at BP can come up with?

The book is only $12, but I've been disappointed with it the last year or two, and I'm starting to think I'd be better served passing on the print edition and sticking with the website.

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I had been waffling on buying the book
Looks like this makes up my mind. I'll just enjoy my  BP subscription, in that case.

Thanks Adam!

by jamcadbury on Mar 4, 2008 7:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

OUCH
Reality hurts.
Milton Bradley + Frankie Francisco = team chemistry

by miles on Mar 4, 2008 7:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I admitedly do not have a BP subscription
But I have never really seen anything of theirs that makes me want to get one. Stuff like this isn't helping.
"The only thing Gerald Laird can beat me at is number of glazed donuts eaten in 10 minutes" - Miles

by lonestarJon on Mar 4, 2008 7:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

exactly
i like the website.
i really like the chats.
i dont like what i have seen in the book.

by knockoutking24 on Mar 4, 2008 7:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Dang it...
I've still got about three weeks until it makes it over here from Amazon...dang it.

by rangeressary on Mar 4, 2008 7:30 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BP
I got my copy of the book last week, and had nearly the same reaction to the Rangers chapter, including the remark about the Cordero/Lee deal and the comments on Andrus.

The intro piece was also weak- after finishing it, I thought "wow, I've just spent five minutes reading a bunch of stuff I already knew, other than the name of the guy who owned the Senators before Bob Short." I'm glad I'm not alone in having that reaction.

The rest of the book is very good- overall, I think it's better than the last couple editions- but whoever wrote the Rangers chapter did a poor job, and I think that's been the case for several years now.

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Mar 4, 2008 7:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Does Galloway
write for them now?
A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 4, 2008 7:40 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

As one of the unwashed
Non-subscribers, it looks with this news like the customers may have caught up with BP in both analytical clarity and ability to look objectively at baseball.  

Rob thinks the overall product is good, and the Rangers' chapter not so good.  The quotes in Adam's post sound a little like shock jock blabber.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Mar 4, 2008 7:43 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I've read the book for a few years
And while I still think it is worth the money (I leave mine by the toilet for a few minutes reading most everyday), I think the guys over there used to do some good analysis and every once in a while worked in some pretty clever humor. Now it seems like every comment is written to elicit a chuckle and the analysis is forced in every once in a while.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Mar 4, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I've read the book for a few years
And while I still think it is worth the money (I leave mine by the toilet for a few minutes reading most everyday), I think the guys over there used to do some good analysis and every once in a while worked in some pretty clever humor. Now it seems like every comment is written to elicit a chuckle and the analysis is forced in every once in a while.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Mar 4, 2008 8:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Who
wrote the Rangers chapter?

by Jamey Newberg on Mar 4, 2008 8:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't know
I've sent a query, though.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 4, 2008 8:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

However...
If I were to guess, I'd say Josey Wales.

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 4, 2008 8:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Why
does that name sound familiar?

Who is that?

If it is prediction time, I am C-L-U-T-C-H.

by miles on Mar 4, 2008 8:57 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A poster at NMLR
Who also posts here.

His posts generally center around a theme of historical organizational ineptitude, perpetuated currently by an incompetent owner who won't spend the money that should be spent.

It is also the main character in, and namesake of, a Clint Eastwood movie.  

by Adam J. Morris on Mar 4, 2008 9:02 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Now!
What the hell do you want BP to say about the Rangers? It's kind of been a rough ride these last few years.

This organization has been historically inept and their current owner is the biggest problem with this thing but Boy Blunder is a close second.

I went by Barnes & Noble yesterday and thumbed thru the Rangers section and yes, did give a knowing laugh to myself when I read what they had to say about both Tom Hicks and JD. Not so sure the boys at BP consider JD to be "an up and comer."

I'm waiting until I go to Arizona before I buy it because I want to hear what an unbiased source has to say about not only the Ranger prospects but everybody else's prospects as well.

by Josey Wales on Mar 5, 2008 10:27 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

my point is
that i can think of multiple guys on here who could write a better player profile on andrus than than.

and it should be better considering their projection system (PECOTA) has andrus as one of the best prospects in baseball in the very near future (or did last year)

to have a guy who is pretty much a top 20 prospect in the game have a deal that bad is sad.

by knockoutking24 on Mar 5, 2008 11:56 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

Personally...
I like a blend of information.

I like to read what the homers think about the kids but I also like to read what unbiased sources who have no relationship with the players or their family have to say.

Reading what national writers think about our ownership and GM is also a good.

by Josey Wales on Mar 5, 2008 12:31 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

you have got to be a troll.
or lbrooks

by knockoutking24 on Mar 5, 2008 12:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Your definition...
of a "troll" is what?

My opinions are not always correct but they are generally informed.

I've written it many times and will do so again...I'd rather my opinions be right than popular.

by Josey Wales on Mar 5, 2008 12:42 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just a question:
if you hate the rangers and their horrible leadership, JD, hicks, etc so much,

...why do you even show up here?
...why do you spend time writing about them?
...why do you watch/listen/read about their games?

by knockoutking24 on Mar 5, 2008 2:19 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a very...
...passionate fan of the Rangers and have followed them closely since 1974. Lots of respect for the players / pitchers because even the sparest of spare players & pitchers are marvelous athletes.

As for their supposed "leadership," I was quite a fan of Tom Hicks until the year 2000. Kinda gone downhill since then.

JD is a bleeping joke and would have been better off staying with Dunkin' Donuts instead of coming to the Texas Rangers.

I show up here because I can, I enjoy writing about baseball and I love to watch/listen/read about their games.

My voice is very important on these forums because nobody could ever accuse me of being a cheerleader.

My opinions are informed and often times ruffle feathers because the truth can hurt. Deal with it.

by Josey Wales on Mar 5, 2008 2:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

your voice is important?
Not really.

Get over yourself.

These forums manage very nicely without your posts.  Outside of Adam, and Zywica, and maybe Sharky, there aren't a whole lot of important voices here.

"We should have bombed it (Auschwitz)"-President Bush

by DJCahill on Mar 5, 2008 3:40 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sharky
is important?  Not to anyone but himself.
A working class hero is something to be.

by t ball on Mar 5, 2008 3:48 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

this same unbiased source
has our farm system ranked at #3 in the game.

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=7204

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Mar 5, 2008 12:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

also disappointed, but not surprised
I've been a subscriber and book buyer of BP since they published the website, and I am unsurprised.  I won't say that the people there are biased against the Rangers, but they most certainly are not fans of the team.  Maybe that's what irks us the most.  We look at the team and say, "WOW, look at what's here, we're going to win this year for sure!" and then end up disappointed come september when we're 20 games out.  BP looks at the rangers and says, they aren't competitive, they haven't been competitive since 1999, and they aren't likely to change that any time soon since most of their best prospects are still in a-ball.  But, I will say this, they do agree that the system is better.  

I just read on their site their organizational rankings, which put the rangers at number 3, up from number 22 the year before.   (of course they put Oakland at number 2, which I don't see)  

About Elvis Andrus.  He's not rated as the best prospect in the Rangers system, he's rated as number 3, behind Neftali Perez and Eric Hurley.  Perez is basically where Hurley was last year, before he failed to dominate AAA.  He's also 2 years away, and this is his second notation.  If he is uber, and beats up AA pitching and earns a midseason promotion to AAA along with a major league call-up in September, then we'll see a bit more from them.  

Personally, I'm hoping that the depth we have this year translates into some explosions on the farm and 3 or 4 of our pitchers making the big leap up to AA and beyond.  Judging by whats available, its possible.  combine that with another strong Draft Class and 2009-2010 could be very hopeful years for the rangers, much the way 2008-2009 is looking for the Rays.

I did notice one other thing reading through the various pitchers reports.  Both Millwood and Padilla had the worst years of their careers last year.  A significant bounce back from the two of them might put this team, whose weakness is perennially pitching, back into contention.

Ira

by iblum on Mar 5, 2008 12:37 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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