Game 11 game day thread 2
by Adam J. Morris
on Apr 12, 2008 8:57 PM CDT
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i was going to complain
but AJM's inspirational summary of the first half of the game swayed me.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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That kid whose favorite Ranger is Michael Jordan
Think Jordan could get a glove on a routine play?
by Inkara1 on
Apr 12, 2008 8:59 PM CDT
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Can he play SS?
We might could use one of those.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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Yep....might could.
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:01 PM CDT
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Anyone watching Tarver?
Good fight? Should I d/l it?
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:00 PM CDT
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Couple of decent
welterweight match-ups on HBO tonight.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:04 PM CDT
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I've got the one recording on the DVR right now
so no HBO fight updates, please... ;)
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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Tarver is on
SHO. But, I understand.
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:17 PM CDT
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crap
how did I miss that? okay, that one is now recording, too... lol
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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Damn you people
with technology....and HD...and dual-tuner PVR....and, like money!
;)
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:20 PM CDT
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Frank
Thomas slowest guy ever.
I could have thrown him out there...
"He throws that curveball so hard and it snaps 12 to six like you've never seen." - Matt Kemp on Clayton Kershaw
by miles on
Apr 12, 2008 9:05 PM CDT
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Olerud was a lot better...
than Overbay is.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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AYFKM?!?!?!?!
sigh....
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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Rupe's secondary pitches
look solid to me.
"Hmn... pehaps I've said too much..." - LSJesus
by Chase Irwin on
Apr 12, 2008 9:07 PM CDT
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Only against the Rangers
could a Matt Stairs-Frank Thomas hit-and-run be successful.
by Inkara1 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:08 PM CDT
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Ric Renner
he's got a way with the ladies.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:10 PM CDT
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Engel Beltre
you know, he's only hitting .240, but he's holding his own in low A so far. A decent walk rate, an acceptable K rate. Decent contact, good defense, and hitting for a bit of power.
by FirebatM3 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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And Christian Santana
.364 with a HR.
And keep in mind that it's an extreme pitcher's league.
by FirebatM3 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:12 PM CDT
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Someone needs to tell Josh...
...that the "good part of the order" isn't going to include Marlon Byrd.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:11 PM CDT
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Hahahahaha
Nice!
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:12 PM CDT
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lol
Nice
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on
Apr 12, 2008 9:13 PM CDT
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Byrd
rally starter?
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:15 PM CDT
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Replay?
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:16 PM CDT
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looked like he missed the tag
from the view from the dugout
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:17 PM CDT
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+1
"Hmn... pehaps I've said too much..." - LSJesus
by Chase Irwin on
Apr 12, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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Yeah...
but that was a tough call
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:20 PM CDT
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indeed
no one was in a particularly good position to see it...
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:20 PM CDT
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Well would
have ended in a DP anyways.
by FirebatM3 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:21 PM CDT
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No way...
didn't get him...
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:17 PM CDT
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Can he play SS?
Sorry...couldn't resist.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:20 PM CDT
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I like Murphy
He didn't go after the ump, he just stood at first. Classy.
by lonestarJon on
Apr 12, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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Rangers Baseball...it's Craptastic!
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:18 PM CDT
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Redman - Time 4 Sum Aksion
"Hmn... pehaps I've said too much..." - LSJesus
by Chase Irwin on
Apr 12, 2008 9:23 PM CDT
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So... serious point
and my attempt to seriously discuss it is deleted rather than responded to.
ok.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:26 PM CDT
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I didn't delete any of your posts
The only post I deleted was mine, because after I posted it, I decided it was counter-productive.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:27 PM CDT
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It appears that...
...in 2.0, posts that respond to deleted posts also are deleted.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:28 PM CDT
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But I called you such a choice word!!!
/jk/
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:33 PM CDT
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So..
First I respond seriously to the original post. You dont reply.
Then I mock it. You yell at me.
So then I respond seriously again, and you delete.... something.
What the hell am i supposed to do?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:31 PM CDT
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I deleted my response to you above
I decided that my post was unnecessary and it was better to let it go.
Apparently, the posts responding to my post that I deleted (such as Rodney's comment) disappeared as well.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:33 PM CDT
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It's your playground, Bug.
It's a'ight.
np
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Why even delete it
It was directly to me and I had obviously already seen it.
In any case, seriously. My response.
1) Its a gameday thread. It is based around people watching a game and giving their spur of the moment reactions. When the rangers set record paces for infield errors the continuance of such play is going to get increasingly negative reactions as it continues. When players are in 1 for 20 streaks its going to snowball as people get more frustrated. Why shouldnt that be responded to? Its not ridiculously negative to be upset about.
2) If you want to make a serious point not to be mocked, is "this thread is a beating" the best way to word it? It didnt exactly have that tone to it, so I didnt treat it as such. Though again I did make a non-joking reply.
Its not at all as negative as you suggested. Again- lots of padilla, millwood optimism. Kinsler/Murphy/Hamilton love. If you are making a serious forum board post to the boards inhabitants, is overstating the issue the best way to illicit a calm and collected reasonable response?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Probably not
I'm a little frazzled right now, which makes me a little more on edge than usual.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:44 PM CDT
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he deleted his yelling
and that automatically deleted your post, and all responses subsequent.
scap load or die
by ab03 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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and what are you getting mad at him for anyway
you've been on this board long enough - you think he's an unfair person
scap load or die
by ab03 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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Im simply defending myself.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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You better watch out, Shep
They'll start coming after you like they do me.
by lonestarJon on
Apr 12, 2008 9:46 PM CDT
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I think benmor
Is organizing an attack force.
I shall persist.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:57 PM CDT
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2 nnings to score 5 and win this -
Go Rangers!!
Ya....That's Real Mature.
by SMITTY on
Apr 12, 2008 9:30 PM CDT
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I could use a nice 4 run rally right about now
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:32 PM CDT
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In hiding.
nice take out slide by broussard.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:34 PM CDT
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Rangers offense and defense...
no esta bueno ahora.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:32 PM CDT
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What channel is the Stars game on?
the truth.
by Longhorn on
Apr 12, 2008 9:33 PM CDT
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Mavs sucking tonight too
big surprise
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:33 PM CDT
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hard being a fan of DFW sports teams this time of year
but hey, the Fort Worth Cats start playing in May...
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:34 PM CDT
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What about...
the Grand Prairie Air Hogs??? :)
http://www.airhogsbaseball.com/
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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Wide Zone?
Has Roy been getting this wide of a strike-zone all game?
by rcreative on
Apr 12, 2008 9:35 PM CDT
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Yeah
At least, according to the pitch-tracker thing, when they've shown it.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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Maybe...
Maybe his stuff is so good it even fools the pitch tracker?
by rcreative on
Apr 12, 2008 9:39 PM CDT
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R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Which you get when you win a Cy Young.
Pretty standard.
What up, rc?
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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Related to Chris?
What's this Cy Young thing I keep hearing so much about?
by rcreative on
Apr 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Shit, Eckstein
Now we have to hear how gritty that was.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:36 PM CDT
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Rupe...
Rangers going to let him pitch the 9th as well before they send him down tomorrow?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:37 PM CDT
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Might as well
He's pitching well so far, and we're gonna definitely want a fresh bullpen in reserve with Feldman starting...
by lonestarJon on
Apr 12, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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Ack, nevermind
German takes over.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:38 PM CDT
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German...
I can't believe he is bigger than the Big Hurt.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:39 PM CDT
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Over/under on how many times Josh
Calls German "a really large person" before he quits?
I'll take 14.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on
Apr 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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he's not going to quit
german is going to have to get skinny
scap load or die
by ab03 on
Apr 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Also...
I want to see him hit the Big Hurt with a fastball and see Frank charge the mound. It would be like two monsters fighting in one of those old Japanese Godzilla movies.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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Apr 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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We'll have
Fukumori run around screaming just for effect.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:42 PM CDT
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that visual got a belly laugh out of me
thank you. I needed that.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:43 PM CDT
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Damn, that was funny!
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:44 PM CDT
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Holy shit that was funny
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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Apr 12, 2008 9:45 PM CDT
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Easily
the best post of the night
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
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Apr 13, 2008 9:16 AM CDT
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2 out hit with risp
Ryan Roberts knocks in Brandon Boggs for the Redhawks at Albuquerque
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Apr 12, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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Milton Bradley
could take German and Thomas at the same time....
"He throws that curveball so hard and it snaps 12 to six like you've never seen." - Matt Kemp on Clayton Kershaw
by miles on
Apr 12, 2008 9:40 PM CDT
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Is this
the last time in the season we will be a .500 team?
"He throws that curveball so hard and it snaps 12 to six like you've never seen." - Matt Kemp on Clayton Kershaw
by miles on
Apr 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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Not a chance
We'll be back and above.
by rcreative on
Apr 12, 2008 9:41 PM CDT
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No
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:42 PM CDT
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OMFT
Test him and he will destroy you.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:44 PM CDT
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Laird strapped on his toolbelt tonight, eh?
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Apr 12, 2008 9:44 PM CDT
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Laird
would be a great catcher for a NL team.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:46 PM CDT
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Dammit Shep concentrate...
we need the rally turtle army.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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i withold my powers in protest.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT
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9th inning rally
lets do this!!
Ya....That's Real Mature.
by SMITTY on
Apr 12, 2008 9:48 PM CDT
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Crap
Nice hitting by Hank, but it had too much hangtime.
by lonestarJon on
Apr 12, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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Well
At least there's no shutout.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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Byrdman only hits doubles
enjoy them when the come =)
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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hey
Marlon decided to show up.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:49 PM CDT
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Botts PH for Cat?
I wish...
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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If a lefty comes up...
...you'll see Bradley or Botts for Cat, I imagine.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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or not
I really have to question this decision.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:52 PM CDT
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realized as soon as I posted
you said if a lefty came up there would be a PH. But even with Halliday staying in, I really have to wonder about leaving Cat in there. Did Wash believe that was the best match he could have up at the plate at the last out? I really hope not.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:56 PM CDT
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You gotta save...
Bradley to pinch-hit for Laird. If he hits for Cat and homers they are still down 1. If Cat gets on (which I realize right now would be a miracle) then Bradley is the tying run.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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you need base runners
and Cat, despite his past, just doesn't have it at this point in the season. It's almost as if Wash just thought, "Let's just get home and try again tomorrow" You gotta make some sort of change there.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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Apr 12, 2008 10:03 PM CDT
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ok so Bradley hits...
and gets on, then you have OMFT to tie the game v. Halladay? I don't like those odds any more than cat hitting.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 10:09 PM CDT
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Well
Botts would be on the bench still... he's not much better than Toolbelt Gerry, but he's something, at least...
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Apr 12, 2008 10:11 PM CDT
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actually
I like those odds a lot better than Cat hitting right now.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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Apr 12, 2008 10:19 PM CDT
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Well...
then we must agree to disagree my friend.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 10:25 PM CDT
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That's true
But it's 2 outs, and one of your coldest hitters was at the plate. You've got to get that extra guy on before you can hit the tying homer - and he still had Botts on the bench, who might be more of a threat to crush one than Bradley, based on pure strength
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Apr 12, 2008 10:05 PM CDT
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Wash has already...
shown he's not going to use Botts or PH him late in a game.
(And no I don't want you to reply to this post with more Wash bashing. Save it. I know your feelings about him.)
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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Apr 12, 2008 10:12 PM CDT
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FU
Byrd Hataz!!!
:0
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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Shep...
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
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I don't think so
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on
Apr 12, 2008 9:51 PM CDT
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The murph will find a way.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:50 PM CDT
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That .091 avg looking good....
Com'on Frankie!
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:52 PM CDT
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How about a Bradley PH?
Why does Wash refuse to sit cat?
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Apr 12, 2008 9:52 PM CDT
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If we get to Laird
we've GOT to PH for him.
I'd love for part of the "new look" to be a return to the red uniforms of the 1990s. - Ian Kinsler
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Apr 12, 2008 9:52 PM CDT
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We are the suck
*sigh* :)
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by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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5-6
off to watch some boxing
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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Good first match... :)
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by ortonius on
Apr 12, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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Cotto was KO'ed!
Just teasin'.
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:55 PM CDT
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It's all over
But the hurt fellings...
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 9:53 PM CDT
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Brennan Garr
ends it for Frisco. The Roughriders destroying the Texas League, has a record of 7-1
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Apr 12, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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On a positive note
Josh seems to come through late in the game a lot. Now if we can just get the rest of the team on board.
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Apr 12, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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Oh well,
I'm glad to see another solid start for a Rangers pitcher
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Apr 12, 2008 9:54 PM CDT
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Can anyone tell me why cattalanato is even on this team
since we are rebuilding, Was gallaraga on the 40? we should have kept him and DFA cat. He is the only player who I have seen at the plate this year who looks like they are not trying to get a hit, at least Byrd goes up there and puts some wood on the ball, all cat seems to do is ground out to right side of the infield every time we need him to come through
by phina on
Apr 12, 2008 9:56 PM CDT
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Because...
...if he's DFA'd, we'd get nothing for him and have to pay him about $10 million. I think the Rangers are hopeful that he'll be productive and they'll be able to move him at the trade deadline.
by Adam J. Morris on
Apr 12, 2008 9:58 PM CDT
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I can understand that but he is doing everything he possibly can to diminish his trade value
my problem is the rangers not cutting bait when they had the chance (offseason) to get anything they could for him. Does anybody know what channel the stars game is on for those not in the DFW area??
by phina on
Apr 12, 2008 10:00 PM CDT
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27
...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?
by Rodney on
Apr 12, 2008 10:01 PM CDT
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I don't get kdfi up here in lubbock
and for some reason i am having trouble watching it on sopcast is anybody else having trouble with sopcast?
by phina on
Apr 12, 2008 10:04 PM CDT
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If we play him,
we'll get nothing from him, and have to pay him about $10 million.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on
Apr 14, 2008 8:52 AM CDT
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¡Vámonos!
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by Chase Irwin on
Apr 14, 2008 10:57 AM CDT
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Do you really think
he's not trying to hit? I do agree that there is redundancy on the 25 man roster between Cat, Murphy, Byrd, and Botts. If Cat can increase his value he might be traded later in the year - I think it's too early to start DFA talk about him.
by Randy Richardson on
Apr 12, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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Not trying to hit was an overstatement
I was just mad at seeing him ground out to first to end the game with runners on base in a close game for the second time already this year and i was confused why Wash wouldn't PH for him even though he had bradley on the bench
by phina on
Apr 12, 2008 10:07 PM CDT
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Cat historically hits
RHP better than Bradley, so it seems like there would have been limited advantage to be gained. I do think that if Byrd starts to hit, Cat won't automatically be in the lineup against RHP.
by Randy Richardson on
Apr 12, 2008 10:18 PM CDT
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Coming into the season I was fine with cat
he was good after a bad start last year.
but when your DH platoon for average hitter starts losing it... theres not a lause of cause for patience. Hes expendable. I still like the guy (and byrdman), but they arnt serving a big purpose right now.
Well, byrdman still contributes defense at least. not sure bradley is ever going to be playing the field six games a week even while healthy.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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rebuilding
what makes us a rebuilding team? I don't see the youth typically associated with a rebuilding team.
Teix forced his way out of town, and we traded him for minor leaguers, but other than that I don't see any true signs of a rebuilding team.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Apr 12, 2008 10:12 PM CDT
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+5 MM
"Hmn... pehaps I've said too much..." - LSJesus
by Chase Irwin on
Apr 12, 2008 11:19 PM CDT
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I know it's early...
and this may be a knee-jerk reaction, but I think Cat may be done. He's to the point that most hitters reach when their numbers start to decline. If they get any worse than last year that would be very ugly.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 9:58 PM CDT
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+1
Cat should be traded for anything we can get. Anything. A bat boy, a bucket of balls, anything.
by lonestarJon on
Apr 12, 2008 9:59 PM CDT
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Cat
He's the kind of player that makes a GM look smart when they sign him at 27 and stupid when they sign him at 33 or whatever he is.
Going into last season, I thought he would suck, and everybody screamed "but he's a 300 hitter!". Guys like him usually hit the wall pretty suddenly and sure looks like he has hit his.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Apr 12, 2008 10:08 PM CDT
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The minor league teams
all tearing up their respective organizations. The lack of long-term contracts? The presence of relatively young players-young players at every position? Just because the team thought Salty needs to catch every day at AAA doesn't automatically equal a lack of direction.
by FirebatM3 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:14 PM CDT
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Boston and NYY
have minor league teams that are doing pretty well also. Does that mean those organizations are rebuilding?
And I think a certain player with a very long-term contract was featured prominently in this game.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Apr 12, 2008 10:19 PM CDT
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They also have
long-term commitments to guys like Beckett, A-Rod, etc. Yeah, we have the MY Contract, but that's about the only long term contract for any player. We're filling out positions of need with cheap, short-term vets while developing our players at the lower minors and getting guys that are ready more experience.
How is that NOT the definition of a rebuild?
by FirebatM3 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:22 PM CDT
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2 points
We don't have long term contracts because the guys we offered them to wouldn't accept them (Zito, Hunter). It's hard for me to see this supposed rebuilding when we throw out these huge offers for declining players and they turn them down.
And having a good farm system is not the same thing as a rebuilding. As I said above the Yankees and Boston have loaded farm systems as well. Rebuilding teams break in young players and give them ML experience. That is the one advantage that rebuilding teams have, they can give their kids ML experience in years that are lost anyway.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Apr 12, 2008 10:35 PM CDT
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Other than Salty
which one of our players are ready for the show, exactly?
And I think that's a very narrow definition of a rebuilding team. The Detroit Tigers were certainly rebuilding, but they gave long-term contracts to guys like Pudge Rodriguez, Carlos Guillen, Magglio Ordonez and Kenny Rogers in the midst of their rebuilding efforts. Same thing with a team like the Mets (Pedro, Delgado) and the Blue Jays and currently rebuilding teams like the Royals (Gil Meche, Jose Guillen).
I think your definitions of rebuilding is pretty arbitrary. Rebuilding to me means getting better, and that means you acquire players however possible. The trick is to not latch yourself onto players who might cripple your efforts to be competitive in the future, and I'm not seeing how we don't fit this criteria.
by FirebatM3 on
Apr 12, 2008 10:43 PM CDT
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Jason Botts
comes to mind.
Josh Rupe's ceiling is being capped at age 25 if he sticks around in his current role. He's nearing the 50 IP benchmark with a 3.30 career ERA.
Elizardo Ramirez has now thrown 227 IP in AAA, counting this year's outings. (BTW, noticed B-R is slow updating again, huh?) Why not give him a shot soon while the Failedman's of the world are experimenting?
Brandon Boggs with a 3B and a BB tonight is looking to be on track in AAA with a .869 OPS in just 27 AB's. If he continues that, he should replace Marlon Byrd very soon so we can evaluate him in a rebuilding year. He seems like a high beta hit-or-miss prospect that will only get legit 4th OF'er opportunities on a non-contending squad like ours. With his defensive skills, I don't see any reason to hesitate in calling him up.
We can't afford to take on the risk of long-term contracts quite yet, I don't think. Wait-and-see over the next couple of years -- JD is developing a trend of bargain signings as it is.
I just don't see the rush. Extending other younger guys before they become FA's seems like a better priority.
"Hmn... pehaps I've said too much..." - LSJesus
by Chase Irwin on
Apr 13, 2008 12:02 AM CDT
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Hmmm...
Well, I certainly agree on Botts. My man-love for that extraordinary human being is legendary.
As for Rupe... I don't see what's wrong with using him as a long man right now. Seems like a good role for him. If he stays healthy and effective he can move into a high-leverage late-inning guy, or be stretched out and start later in the year. He just needs to prove he can stay healthy.
The Lizard and Boggs should hopefully get their shots if they keep producing.
If we're still not giving those guys playing time come June and July, then I'm going to start having a huge problem with our philosophy.
But I think we agree that right now JD's rebuilding philosophy: Young players if they're ready. Short-term risk/reward veterans if they're not, and no long term contracts for anyone who's not a true difference maker.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on
Apr 13, 2008 12:50 AM CDT
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I guess JD
considered Torii Hunter a true difference maker?
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Apr 13, 2008 5:17 AM CDT
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Apparently
Though I'm sure you and I would differ.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on
Apr 13, 2008 12:41 PM CDT
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I still think this team...
is rebuilding. It just happens that most of the kids that are a part of that are still in the minors. You can't deny that this team has shifted their philosophy on how to build a team can you tricer?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 10:24 PM CDT
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ok
does MY suck or what?
All the complaining he does about this team not winning, he should really look himself in the mirror. He cant hit for power, his defense is suspect, and he is not a high on-base guy. Sure he hits for average but thats about it.
"Why do you think you're baseball jesus?" AirJordan to LonestarJon
by coolaid on
Apr 12, 2008 10:13 PM CDT
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Ive always defended his defense
But this is the worst I've seen him, I cant defend that part anymore. And its starting to frustrate me greatly. A lot more than the .220 average or whatever, that will come around.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on
Apr 12, 2008 10:16 PM CDT
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Defense
All I ask is knock the ball down in certain situation like the one ball between him and Blalock.
But overall the infield defense + Cat have been terrible defensively.
"Why do you think you're baseball jesus?" AirJordan to LonestarJon
by coolaid on
Apr 12, 2008 10:19 PM CDT
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Power, defense, OBP...
all true and valid points, but I don't think he sucks.
He has hit a lot of balls well that have gone right to the RFer. He's off to a slow start, no doubt. But I think we are to quick to say a guy with 200 hits every year sucks. He's not great, but he is a good hitter. Just like last year he will start putting some hits together. Hopefully we will at least see his gap power go back up as well.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 10:19 PM CDT
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yeah
saying he sucks is a overstatement. Its frustrating watching this team at times.
"Why do you think you're baseball jesus?" AirJordan to LonestarJon
by coolaid on
Apr 12, 2008 10:20 PM CDT
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Concur
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 10:21 PM CDT
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Actually,
he's hit for some power (2hr, but only 1dbl) and leads the team in BBs - it's hitting for average that he hasn't done yet.
by Randy Richardson on
Apr 12, 2008 10:23 PM CDT
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That's actually a good point
I have to admit, MY has rediscovered the power swing this season so far, contrary to what I thought would happen.
Really, it almost seems like he's swinging too hard, with all these fly balls to RF he's been hitting lately.
by lonestarJon on
Apr 12, 2008 10:25 PM CDT
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Well...
the Rangers may have lost today.
But I have a good feeling they are about to kick the shit out of the Mariners in MLB 08.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Apr 12, 2008 10:31 PM CDT
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Silva and Garland
combine for 13 IP and 0 Ks - against the two teams that had the 2nd (SEA) and 3rd (LAA) most Ks last year.
by Randy Richardson on
Apr 12, 2008 11:08 PM CDT
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roy halladay is pretty good
the rangers are not. That would be my summary of this game.
by Dirk Diggler on
Apr 12, 2008 11:23 PM CDT
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