David Pinto calls out Ron Washington
David Pinto has some harsh words for Ron Washington, saying that the Rangers' mental mistakes is a direct reflection on the manager.
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Ah crap
Here we go.
At least people now have a designated post for pissing and moaning about Wash instead of in every single place on this site.
What happened to my old signature?
by WyoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of which
Jon Daniels has turned up in an unusual place:
http://www.bucsdugout.com/2008/4/15/399207/worst-gm-poll-bill-smith-v
by jamcadbury on Apr 16, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
It’s funny how, with the exception of the Chris Young trade, you have to have the advantage of hindsight to find any bad deals made my JD. And yet there is never a shortage of self-proclaimed prognosticators who all claim they knew guys like Wilk would flame out ahead of time so the trade was obviously bad from the moment it was made. Remarkable.
by Athos on Apr 16, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
there were quite a few folks who hated the Soriano trade from the start. There were also folks like Hindman that hated the Danks trade from the start.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true.
But as I recall, those individuals were distinctly in the minority. Not nearly so many were up in arms then as seem to be now.
by Athos on Apr 16, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also to be fair:
Straight from the post in question: “In Daniels’ defense, the Soriano and Danks deals looked like much better ideas at the time.”
by Charlie on Apr 16, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't know who to blame...
...but i want to blame somebody.
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the mental mistakes are on the players...
...but, what is causing the players to make mental mistakes? you’re a product of your enviornment.
what has the Rangers’ enviornment become? it’s become one of poor clutch hitting… wasted started pitching… poor defense.
believe it or not… the Rangers have been in there all 5 losses. but, it’s like… if one thing goes wrong in the middle innings… they throw in the towel…
what can Washington do to keep this team focused past the third inning? very little.
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We've seen these same players in the past,
and they normally don’t make the same string of mistakes. I don’t know if it is Washington or not, but if this bad play during the year so far gets extended, I think you have to fire the manager.
The manager gets credit for things outside of his control, and also blame for things outside of his control. Its part of the job.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think its very similar to the mavs
if they end up losing 4 nailbiters, you change the head coach regardless of whether the team that beats them is probably better
scap load or die
by ab03 on Apr 16, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The coach
is much more important in basketball than the manager is in baseball, imo. So much so that it’s nigh unpossible to make a direct comparison.
Apples and potatoes.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on Apr 16, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
they are different
and i’m not even saying that people are justified in changing washington or even that changing him will do any good. but it’s almost like a baseball maxim that if your team is underperforming (especially making mental mistakes) for an extended period of time – you fire the manager. may not be fair, but it has to be done.
scap load or die
by ab03 on Apr 16, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha
And you’re right.
It’s like my Dad always says: Can’t fire the players.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on Apr 16, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ab03
Agree, Washington has proven that he has lousy game management skills, they have not gotten any better this year. The most important duty if a Manager is getting the best out of his players. HMMMMMM, where does Wash stand on this aspect of his job.
IMO he is most responsible for the Rangers lack of execution and motivation.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
could you expand on his "lousy game management" skills?
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do not keep count, but
Bringing in Nippert instead of allowing Beniot to continue pitching the next inning, playing Catalonato in left with Padilla pitching ( he needs the best defense we have or may explode), not playing Botts at all, (he may have become totally useless by now), and some of the totally bonehead lineups he had last year.
There we several times last year when he brought in a struggling reliever in a close game, do not remember specifics but this has happened on several occasions and we lost the games.
Anyway, knowing who to play, when to substitute players and when to use specific relievers is a big part of game management and Wash has been terrible.
I am not sure this is arguable.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Washington
About this time last year I soured on Washington. I realize I was just looking for a scapegoat for the awful start but I really do feel he is in over his head. I do not think he has had the team ready to play to start either of his two seasons and I think at least some blame lies with the manager. But I want to recast this discussion.
We can all argue about the legion of failures for this team over the past two seasons and we can try to assign blame. But let me ask people this, what positive differences has Wash brought about. Can you think of a time when you were watching a game and thought he used a really great tactic? Can you think of an occasion when he made a really astute move with resting/starting a player. Can you name any young players who have significantly improved under his tutelage?
I would say that I do think he has the team more focused on working the count, but outside of that, I see no positives of his 18 months in charge.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Apr 16, 2008 1:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but, look what he's working with...
AAAA ballplayers and journeymen.
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
AAAA players
like MY and Millwood who had some screw ups yesterday?
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What?
Your argument neglects the fact that it is often the veterans who are screwing the pooch the most. Guys like MY who have performed at a decent level in past years.
As Adam pointed out, it would be easier to take if it was just the journeymen and AAAA players who were screwing up.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MY
has not been a good SS since he moved there.
the truth.
by Longhorn on Apr 16, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has been
fairly mediocre, but not as terrible as he has been to date so far. He had no range, but he was dependable on balls hit at him.
He hasn’t been very dependable this year.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, we're basically paying for 200 hits a season?
... if i can’t classify that as AAAA or journeyman… i suppose we can start another group… DH’s with gloves.
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have absolutely no idea
why they paid him what they did. I think I have had a fairly clear position on that little piece of stupidity.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So AAAA guys and journeymen can get 200 hits in a ML season?
That might be one of the dumbest suggestions I’ve ever read on this blog.
by Athos on Apr 16, 2008 3:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, are you seriously taking that position?
You’re the one that made the stupid statement. If you really believe it, then defend it.
by Athos on Apr 16, 2008 3:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perhaps you misunderstood.
michael young is not a AAAA player or a journeyman.
he’s a DH with a glove.
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
and there have been plenty of dumb suggestions.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There isn't a team who would not welcome MY with open arms.
I agree that is is out of position, but then Jeter must be also.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll bet there are a lot of teams
who wouldn’t take him and his contract if you asked for nothing in return.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 16, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hamilton?
Kinsler, Young, Blalock, Bradley, Milwood, Laird, Wilson, Beniot, Catalonato are not AAAA. This team has talent and player by player stack up well against other teams (with the exception of the lower part of the rotation).
Broussard, Kata, Melhuse are Wash kind of players.
The problem is so obvious I am at a loss why we would even have this discussion.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we shouldn't be having a discussion.
you’re right.
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
We shouldn't be having a discussion
on the competence of Washington, he is not a good manager. Other discussions may be worthwhile.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
me giving Worsh a tiny shred of credit
Can you name any young players who have significantly improved under his tutelage?
Benoit
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on Apr 16, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here comes a Hillman article from Reeves.
by rooster on Apr 16, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why not Galloway
while we’re at it.
"Hmn [sic] ... pehaps [sic] I've said too much..." - LSJesus
by Chase Irwin on Apr 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wash is proving Beane wrong
about managers not making that much of a difference
by texasraider on Apr 16, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if the errors fall on Washington
but continuing to play guys who a) have no confidence, b) suck, or c) have no confidence and suck falls directly on Washington.
There is no excuse for Broussard to ever hit lefties, Byrd to ever hit (period), for German to ever pitch in a close game, and for Cat to ever play in the OF.
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by willamos2 on Apr 16, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you don't really have a choice...
you have to baby Hamilton and Bradley with their outfield time…
you have to play Franchise Face just because…
Jason Botts at first?... did you see him almost goof up that simple ground ball the other night?
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
everyone else
seems to be goofing up simple plays, why not one more? :)
by geetar85 on Apr 16, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...my thoughts...
This team is so flat right now. I mean, other than Marlon Byrd and David Murphy, I really haven’t seen anyone on this team that truly looks fired up to play. They look extremely flat on the field, and their offensive at-bats have been pathetic. And better yet, coach Washington takes a beating every game, and while I haven’t watched every minute of every game, I’m pretty sure that yesterday afternoon 2 outs in the ninth inning was one of the few times that he has discussed things with umpires. Ron is very mellow, and a nice guy, but if this team is going to pull it together, I think there needs to be a little fire under their butts, because they just look meek and mellow right now, when they certainly have the capability of putting together a good season.
Gig 'Em Aggies! 2010
At that moment, I wanted to throw my Blackberry out a window. I wanted to shut down this blog, unsubscribe to the NMLR, give away my tickets for this year, and burn all my Rangers gear. I wanted to forget that baseball even existed...And tonight, I'm sitting here thinking to myself, "I hope there's a game tomorrow."
~Adam J. Morris
by aggierangerfan00 on Apr 16, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you better believe...
...Ramon Vasquez comes ready to play… lunch box and everything…
by oc on Apr 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awesome...
...bravo!
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on Apr 16, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mental Mistakes
and underperforming are always the responsibility of the manager.
The team as a whole may not be underperforming in terms of wins/losses; but individual pieces certainly are: Young, Byrd, and Kinsler specifically. I would argue you could throw Laird in there, too… He has played appreciably worse since Wash’s arrival, albeit with a small sample size of excellence to begin with.
Yes, it’s the players’ jobs to execute. But it’s also the manager’s job to get maximum effort and performance out of his players. I was definitely in the wait-and-see camp last year, but so far this year, Wash hasn’t done much to give me much confidence. If it doesn’t get turned around i think you have to consider making a change at year’s end.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 16, 2008 2:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Errors, presumably
are the one thing that Washington should be well-equipped to eliminate, given his defensive background.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 16, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with those comments
that assign the blame for the mental mistakes to Washington.
Washington’s job, as a baseball manager, is to get all 25 men on the roster on the same page and focused on the current game. Part of baseball is that there are statistical ups and downs. People go in slumps, pitchers have bad outings, etc. It is the manager’s job, I’d say the manager’s biggest job, to keep the team on an even keal as the team goes up and down. Individuals are prone to streaks, some more than others. Bad games and bad weeks tend to get into player’s heads. I think that it is the manager’s job to nip these tendencies in the bud. Kind of a low-pass filter on the daily variability.
Instead, it seems like this team is definitely affected too much by what happened the day before.
Judging by the start of the last two years, Washington amplifies this variabilty. He deserves a full shot at bringing this team out of this funk. But if the team responds to him by getting into more of a funk, it is time for him to go.
by JBImaknee on Apr 16, 2008 2:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was well said
again, don’t think that changing managers (especially mid season with someone who isn’t really famous) is going to eliminate the errors completely but you hang that on the managers just the same.
scap load or die
by ab03 on Apr 16, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring back Buck?
I’m beginning to wonder if Buck had enough of a grip on the nape of the team’s neck to not allow these sort of mistakes in the field and on the bases. I mean the two years the Rangers have come out to muff routine plays in the field and on the bases have both been under Wash’s watch.
I’m beginning to wonder if Buck wasn’t a more positive influence on this team than we realize, or care to admit.
Sure he had lost the clubhouse in 2006 and it was time for him to go when he did, but maybe we need a manager with his kind of taskmaster mentality. Warsh and Buck both insist on playing “their” guys (my biggest issue with Buck), so it’s not like we’ve improved on that score…
Just wondering aloud….
by Hypo-Luxa on Apr 16, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What is wrong with a manager
like Cox, Lasorda, Torre, Leyland, Herzog, Oates etc. I am wondering out loud also.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They all had great players
Managers get too much credit/blame for the success/failure of a team.
lepricon
by jparks77 on Apr 16, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some managers
just fall into good situations, this is true. I am trying to be objective about Buck and Ron (I do not like either one of them) and believe that players have underachieved while they were/are managers.
A manager has to have the ability to lead and neither one of our last 2 managers have had that ability.
by RingoRanger on Apr 16, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who is???
1. David Pinto. Why is a guy on a fantasy baseball website talking about a manager. Last I checked, fantasy nerds don’t draft managers.
2. We should have hired Trey Hillman. I said it last year when they hired Washington. He’s making my case for me with the Royals right now.
3. No GM is going to be 100% on trades. The Chris Young thing was rough, but let’s not forget how good of stuff every scout says Adam Eaton has. If he ever put it together, it might have looked different.
4. Michael Young is onto year 2 of not hitting at the beginning of the year. If he picks it up again when we are 10 games out and he ends up with 200 hits an a .300 average, it’s empty stats. If he wants to complain about not contending, he needs to produce before we fall out of contention. I know, everyone love MY, but .232 right now…
Just a few observations from a guy who’s been a die hard Rangers fan for 24 years now. Someone will probably disagree, but that’s life.
by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 16, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Um, yea
That whole Chris Young trade was a hideous mess, no matter how you spin it. Agree with point 1 though.
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by SarasotaRanger on Apr 16, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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