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Well, we've speculated that the recent uptick in Jason Botts' playing time has something to do with the closed-door meeting Jon Daniels and Ron Washington had before leaving on the current road trip...

And Evan Grant says that yes, that is the case...

Manager Ron Washington acknowledged he had a conversation with general manager Jon Daniels last week about getting Jason Botts more playing time. Botts, who was the DH on Monday, has started four of the six games on the road trip.

"We talked about getting him some at-bats during this road trip, and I think we've done that," Washington said. "We've got this guy and we need to see what he's got. We're going to start working him in there whenever we get a chance."

When the g.m. has to sit down with the manager less than two weeks into the season to address playing time issues, that doesn't bode well.

 

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by coolaid on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Website

Who’s willing to start a “Fire Ron Washington” website?

by trekds9 on Apr 21, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

pblack

"There's something to be said for just plugging away and not feeling very sorry for yourself.'' - Terry Francona

by oc on Apr 21, 2008 8:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You do,

and you’ll clean it up!

by trekds9 on Apr 21, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

- 10 MM

"Hmn [sic] ... pehaps [sic] I've said too much..." - LSJesus

by Chase Irwin on Apr 21, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would

If I knew how to do that sort of thing.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Apr 21, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

sad times

im going to feel bad for wash if he does get fired. not going to be upset organizationally, but on a personal level i would love to see ron washington succeed. i have no contempt for him..

anyway, we need to just get rid of broussard. he may be better than botts, but it is already clear this team isnt going to do anything, and if we are going to have a 1b who isnt much of a fielder and isnt hitting much it might as well be the guy that still has a sliver of a chance to be in the teams future.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 21, 2008 8:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My sentiments exactly

Well, almost exactly. I think I have alot more contempt for Broussard than you…

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Apr 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True dat

I said as much a few times during the game thread. I feel sorry for RonWash—-and I honestly do.

But, at this point, doesn’t he really need to go? It is clear to me the players aren’t going to play for him. That is 100% on the players, BTW.

I don’t really understand the disfunction of this club, be it errors, plums (plays un-made), not covering bases, baserunning errors, et al.

I do not see any way out of the morass that do not involve a change….

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 21, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well..

the players wont play for washington, and they wouldnt play for showalter. then who WILL they play for?

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on Apr 21, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That...Sir,

Is a very scary question. One that may keep me up late tonight, as I ponder…

IDK-somethings gotta give, right?

SIGH…........

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 21, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who on this roster is so damn stubborn?

ARod, Soriano, Tex. They’re all gone. Who is the hard ass in the Rangers locker room?

And with the 22nd overall selection the Dallas Cowboys select Jonathan Stewart.

by TheBZA on Apr 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem is not that there's any hardass's in the locker room

The problem is, Ron Wash just doesn’t seem to know how to take the bull by the horns and lead the team from inside the clubhouse. His “hands off management” style is what is killing him.

We don’t need another Buck Showalter, but we do need someone who can interact with the players, and lead the team from within – Wash cannot seem to do that, and that’s the main problem here.

by lonestarJon on Apr 21, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do we know

what he’s like in the locker room? From what I see from this team, I wouldn’t doubt what you’re saying. However, I don’t think any of us on here, save BGL, know what the guy is like on a day to day basis.

All we can tell is that this team has seemed terribly unprepared to start the last 2 seasons. Talent, or lack thereof, has something to do with it, but this team shouuld not be this bad defensively. Not even close. Fundamentals HAVE to improve, which is what Wash was hired to correct.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 21, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, I'm just going by on-field results

And past reports of Ron’s managing style. But I seriously doubt I’m wrong. Ron has never carried himself like a baseball manager, or a leader period. He hardly ever argues on-field calls, or gets ejected, and he’s never, ever, that I can recall, had the guts to bench a guy for lousy performance.

He just seems like a chicken-livered coach who’s floundering because he’s in way over his head.

Again, that’s all perception, but I’ve watch this team play under Ron from day 1, and from what I’ve seen, there’s no way he’s involved enough in the clubhouse.

by lonestarJon on Apr 21, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a SMART and TOUGH manager..

one that will take him in his office and chew his ass out when he makes a stupid bonehead mistake. The problem with Wash is he is too nice, the players take advantage of him. Get a Piniella like manager, or a smarter Doug Rader (black belt karate) who will get in the players face if they keep missing the cut off man or argue with the ump as runs score. The Rangers need more of a no-nonsense type. Let’s see micromanager (Buck) didn’t work, the Mr. Nice Guy players manager didn’t work, how about not so nice and no nonsense? I bet the bonehead mistakes would cease and desist, noone likes getting chewed out by the boss.

It could be worse, we could still have Whiffy in the lineup:

Whiffy in 2008

.135 BA
.162 Slg.
0 HR
4 RBI

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 21, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you just described

Jim Adler. Attorney-at-law.

those of you who have never lived in DFW are unlikely to understand this

by Hubris on Apr 22, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome...

...nice one!

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 22, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so...Bobby Valentine???

ok maybe not…but damnit that’d be fun

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash wants to win now...

and who can blame him, but he can’t with this team, they just aren’t good enough.

JD wants to take this year and continue to rebuild and get some of these kids some playing time. I assume he will want to do the same next year with even more of a youth movement taking place.

I have to side with JD on this one. This is the perfect year to get some of these guys a good look. Salty, Botts, Hurley, Murphy, Boggs, Davis etc. If this team is going to rebuild then they have to start by mid season.

Get what you can out of some of the vets on the team like Board Game, OMFT, Cat, Byrd, Wright, Guardado, perhaps even Padilla, Blalock, and Jack. Keep MY (can’t move his contract right now), Hamslam, Kinsler, Millwood, BGL and this team needs to be in a all-out rebuild/youth movement mode by July 1st.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 21, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hmmmmm

Board Game – yes. OMFT – yes (have Salt and Tea). Byrd – YES (if you can get a bag of balls for him). The electrician? – no. Why? He’s serving an important role on this team very, very well and likely wouldn’t bring in the return worth making the move. Hell, he might contend for a rotation spot if he stays healthy and consistent throughout the year. Guardado – sure, why not, give him up.

Pads – I really don’t know. If he keeps it together for the season and puts together 13-9, 4.20 or better, he’d be worth staying in the rotation for the future. The last thing the Rangers need is to be giving up viable pieces of their rotation. Blalock – yes (CD in the wings). Jack – HELL FUCKING NO. The guy is talented. Why give him up? Won’t we need him when the time comes to contend? We may need him to close if CJ ever makes it to the rotation. In short, he’s too valuable. I otherwise agree with your list of keepers.

However, as stated above, there should be no reason to have a complete fireside sale because some players you propose to trade should fit in this organization’s future. Besides, the farm system is already stocked with players who will hopefully help lead this team over the next 3 years or so.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 21, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Wright and Jack will be very valuable come trade deadline time. Remember what we got last year for Gagne and what we would have got for Aki. Wright has pitched very well, but he doesn’t fit into the teams long term goals, and if he continues to pitch like he has he will be getting paid well next year by someone. I’d rather get something for him while we can.

I really like Jack and would have to be overwhelmed to deal him, like with Blalock and Padilla, but there may be a team out there willing to give up some guys like Boston did last year. If that happens I don’t think you can turn that down. As far as the farm being stocked, you can never have enough good young prospects on the farm.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 21, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Prospects are just that

prospects. Maybe they’ll make it, maybe they won’t. I hate giving up a player who has developed and has a place in the team’s future for more prospects. Jack is that player. I can’t see dealing him for more prospects.

The pundits all stated Wright didn’t fit the Rangers plans mainly because Wright had performed meagerly and inconsistently until this year. If he stays consistent this year, rest damn assured, the Rangers will make him a part of their plan. (Jack was inconsistent for a long time and finally figured it out, so why can’t Wright?) That’s crazy to trade a successful pitcher, assuming arguendo he produces this year, just because he’s a tweener right now.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 21, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It would have to be a ridonkulous deal

to give up Jumpin Jack Flash.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 21, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A couple things

Wright turns 34 in december. His future would be a 1-2 yr deal, max.

I wouldn’t say that Wright has turned a corner or anything. He’s been significantly above league average as well as significantly below league average, depending on the year, throughout his career.

As DJC mentioned elsewhere, relievers are unlikely to be consistent from year to year, but Jack “figured it out” and had 2 dominant seasons before turning 30, so I’d expect him to be more consistent over the next couple of years.

"Hmn [sic] ... pehaps [sic] I've said too much..." - LSJesus

by Chase Irwin on Apr 21, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Of course, regarding the turning the corner statement,

I’m assuming Wright puts together a nice season to include him in the team’s plans. That’s a big ass assumption on my part.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 21, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh shit yeah

if Boston gave up a Gabbard and Murphy, two fringe but MLB ready players, plus a very, very hot young prospect – either a stud 5 tool prospect like Beltre, or a stud pitcher prospect like Feliz, I don’t care what level, I would pull that trigger in a second.

that said, I don’t want to trade anybody outside of Broussard, Catalanotto, Guardado or Fukumori without being overwhelmed

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How sweet

Everybody was screaming that Wash had the nerve to have Botts play as much as he did in Boston…wanted to fire him for it. But when we find out that the loveable Jon Daniels ordered that Botts play, it’s suddenly a swell idea. Man, you JD Cultists are so obvious, it ain’t even close to funny.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 22, 2008 5:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually, I wanna see Botts play no matter what

forget who we’re playing, or who calls for it, or if he goes 0 for the series, I say keep plugging away until he gets 400 at bats, then give me the final stats

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 6:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You truly are stupid...

Is this LBrooks?

Nothing you have said here has made any sense. Read my views on Botts and Wash before posting stupid shit like this. Knock off the stupid shit about a JD cult. Some people have a long term view of this team. You of course don’t, because your head is shoved to far up your ass to see anything.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 22, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damned if you do...

damned if you don’t situation for Wash. If he goes along with doing nothing but playing the “young guys”, but put up a poor record, then he’s fired. If he plays veterans to try to win, then he’s fired.

by Redcaps on Apr 21, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Disagree...

JD extended him so that the tenure of their contracts matched. The intent of that move was insurance for Ron, I assumed that would be to help make Ron more comfortable with the impending youth movement. I don’t think rational fans were going to be upset if Ron played young guys, they gained experience, the level of play was crisp, but they lost a bunch of games because they were outclassed.

Instead, we’ve begun the season with underachieving veterans (many with no future here) blocking the youth movement (again), sloppy play (the worst I’ve seen in 20 years of Rangers baseball) and a stubborn manager who has to be given ultimatums. Giving your manager an ultimatum on how to manage is only about a half-step from a vote of no-confidence.

by bhudson on Apr 21, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's good news to me

but I really hope Botts comes through.

Even I admit that if he doesn’t come through this time, he doesn’t deserve another chance.

"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." -Excel Hearts Choi

by thedirkatron on Apr 21, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 21, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bottsy just needs to take advantage of this

oppourtunity while he has it. B.B. could be gone quicker than we realize. Good luck Jason!

Adam loves him some Lard

by NYTXFAN on Apr 21, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dammit

i’m ready for the effing draft, this weekend needs to hurry up!!!!

the truth.

by Longhorn on Apr 21, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate to pile on the guy

but there’s really no excuse for Wash not to know that a decision needs to be made on Botts sooner than later, with Mench’s opt-out clause waiting in the wings. Milton’s injury is a factor (he’s getting a lot of DH ABs by necessity), but you’ve still gotta play the guy.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 21, 2008 9:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as gomer pyle would say:

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 21, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well Golllllllllllllllly!!

It could be worse, we could still have Whiffy in the lineup:

Whiffy in 2008

.135 BA
.162 Slg.
0 HR
4 RBI

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 21, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Question

Have the Texas Rangers ever had a first baseman who made a worse first impression through his first 20 or so games?

Ben Broussard is currently hitting .170/.254/.340 at a premium offensive position while offering awful defense.

There’s no way Jason Botts could be worse than that.

by jamcadbury on Apr 21, 2008 9:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Phil Nevin

He was pretty awful

Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.

by rangers85 on Apr 21, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I actually remember one of Phil Nevin's home runs.

I think it was a walk off. Regardless, they were so few and far between that they are memorable.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 21, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

I remember one as well, but more for the reason of “Oh my god, he actually did something productive”

Stars in a Texas Night Sky, a Dallas Stars blog from a fan's perspective.

by rangers85 on Apr 21, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Check out...

the long lline of good defensive first basemen the Rangers have had.

by Redcaps on Apr 23, 2008 6:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

confused in Collin County?

so, JD signs BB then bitches at Wash for playing him?

this is why Ryan will be firing JD before its all said and done.

Me thinks Nolan told JD, who then told Wash, to play Botts.

Humorous that people think BB was signed by Wash.

Wash as GM….I guess if Wash gets ripped for BB we must give him credit for Milton.

by red shoe ranger on Apr 21, 2008 9:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you know, i think i agree with ya...

i was thinking about this when the wash thing all went down with rosenthal, and i think given all thats gone on, JD has more negatives than positives. I like his theory on drafting, i like his theory on trading in a rebuild, but i still think he has more negatives than positives in his track record and i think that makes nolan more likely to pull the trigger than less likely.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 21, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

see and that's why I think

it’s highly likely you’ll see JD put more and more pressure on Wash to get Botts more playing time, and in a few more months, Chris Davis, Harrison, Hurley, Duran, etc. more playing time, because when it’s all said and done JD’s fate is tied to those guys being able to make the strong farm assessment a true analysis and translation into MLB prospects

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash and Broussard

Washington lobbied heavily for Broussard, that’s not a secret. They just needed a placewarmer this year, there are far worse things you could fry Daniels and/or Wash for.

Whatever gets you through the night, 'salright, 'salright.

by t ball on Apr 21, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I concur

that JD has made more egregious errors than this. I just think the signing of BB typifies the lack of cosistent logic.

Why do we need a “placeholder” who cant hit nor play D

So Wash can lobby JD ang convince him that BB is a good signing?
again, this is why JD will go.

by red shoe ranger on Apr 21, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well,

someone has to play 1B. I would have been happy with Shelton and Botts, I don’t understand the Broussard signing either. But really even if he keeps tanking, it’s not a disaster that will sink the organization for years. A reasonable risk. Why don’t you give some credit to Daniels for the improvement in the outfield and depth of prospects in the org? Yes, he’s made some bad deals, but I like his willingness to take risks that might pay off big. Every GM makes bad deals, you can’t just play safe.

Whatever gets you through the night, 'salright, 'salright.

by t ball on Apr 21, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daniels credit...

because if Wash sucks then thats on JD as well.

Perhapd JD should be an assistant GM at this point, recommending trades and what not but I dont think he was “read” for the job.

Its too bad us fans have to suffer with a GM and a manager who are both “learning on the job”.

by red shoe ranger on Apr 21, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hypocritical

Maybe this could be deemed as hypocritical, but I think the big differences between JD and Wash is that JD has proven to have learned from mistakes. Many of the deals JD made early on turned out tremendously lopsided. But I believe most on this board would agree that what he pulled off at the deadline last year was pretty impressive.

When you hire a 30-year old GM, you should expect a learning curve. I believe it would be stupid to fire JD now after you’ve invested several years in his learning curve and then see him go somewhere else someday and potentially put together a really good team due mostly to what he learned here.

As for Wash, the team was not prepared to play to start last season and obviously is not prepared to start this season. Obviously Wash didn’t learn anything from the debacle of last April/May. If Wash makes it through this year and the team appears ready to play at the start of next year, then it would be stupid to fire Wash as well.

by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 21, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

word

...

Fishing in the rivers of life. All bound for Mu Mu Land.

by Escher on Apr 22, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Proven to have learned from his mistakes?

Then why do they keep happening, over and over, to this day?

I hope my defense attorney represents me as well as JD is defended…and we’re both just as guilty.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 22, 2008 6:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 21, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And me thinks you don't read the papers much

Here you go:

http://www.star-telegram.com/284/story/575755.html

And yes, if Bradley works out well, Wash will deserve some of the credit.

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Apr 22, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

my point, again

is that if JD got BB to appease Wash then he is not doing quality GM work.

I’m well aware that Wash wanted BB. He probably wanted Tori Hunter and Dice K and Zito and who knows who else. Its up to the GM to pull the trigger on who we should sign.

Ultimately JD signed BB, knowing damn well that Wash intended to start him at 1st and then has a meeeting with Wash to tell him to play Botts? If JD wanted Botts to play 1st then how about not signing BB?

My point was and is that I think Nolan was behind JD telling Wash to play Botts. If JD wanted Botts to be on the field all he had to do was not sign BB.

I guess you cant get this kind of insigt in the star telegram.

by red shoe ranger on Apr 22, 2008 8:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think thats how it was

JD sees that the 1B of the future for this organization is probably a year away from being in the big leagues. So to bridge the gap between last offseason and when Davis arrives he went looking for a one year replacement. He probably went to Wash and asked him if he had any certain players in mind for that spot simply out of courtesy. Wash mentioned BB. Now at the time Botts wasn’t considered a 1B. That didn’t happen until about midway through the offseason. After we got Shelton if I remember correctly. I believe it was after we signed Milton Bradley and it was apparent the due to bradleys injury Botts would need to find a position in the field to get more playing time. So really the options for JD were limited. There were guys like Broussard and Sean Casey and i think JD took his managers opinion into consideration on such a short term player. Had Broussard gotten off to a hot start and this stretch of play was in June or July then people wouldn’t be up in arms. He has a history of good defense having never made more than 7 errors in a season. And his bat has been serviceable throughout his career. Nobody is going to be winning any WS titles with Ben Broussard batting cleanup but he hasn’t been as bad as he’s been to start the season.

by bigsteve on Apr 22, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

re: "My point was and is that I think Nolan was behind JD telling Wash to play Botts"

You really think that a month after coming aboard the team president is telling the manager to get his 25th man more playing time?

Really?

Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.

by Brian Thomas on Apr 22, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

if gabbard goes to the DL, is it Hurley time?

the truth.

by Longhorn on Apr 21, 2008 10:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, think Scott Feldman or AJ Murray

Hurley has been getting lit up in AAA, save for his last start. HE clearly needs more time, and the organization isn’t going to take the chance of pushing him too hard.

Murray or Feldman, on the other hand, aren’t realler long-term rotation possibilites, so the Rangers could probalby care less if they come up and get hammered, just so long as they get some innings from them.

by lonestarJon on Apr 21, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

rebuilding year right? Salty needs to be up here , right? Hurley needs to get his innings up here as well, right?

the truth.

by Longhorn on Apr 21, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lets wait until Hurley has some success in AAA before bringing him up

Sure, we could bring him up right now and he would be lit up. Last year and early this year he has not proven he can get AAA hitters out, so there is no point in bringing him up and letting him get whiplash from all the runs he will give up. Once he starts getting AAA hitters out consistently, then we can bring him up and let him learn on the job in the major leagues.

by uthornfan on Apr 21, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you don't know how it would've worked out

if we’d have kept Danks, like we F-ing should have…I’m so bitter right now

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurley will be up this year

But unlike Salty, he has not performed well enough at AAA to justify a call-up. Maybe if he strung together 2 or 3 good starts, then you could justify calling him up, but for the short term, it’s Feldman or Murray.

Or, god forbid, Sidney Ponson (blech).

by lonestarJon on Apr 21, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ponson

would give Padilla a good drinking buddy, though.

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 22, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd rather see Ponson than Mendoza

if for no other reason, because Mendoza isn’t Galarraga, who I will always tie each other’s success to. why we didn’t give up Mendoza instead of Galarraga, who was obviously the better MLB level option, blows my mind

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well for my money

in the Rangers’ ballpark, you either need a lefty or a strikeout pitcher to succeed. Mendoza is neither, and Galarraga induces a lot more strikeouts.

that’s why I’m higher on AJ Murray than most, I think if he can induce .75 strikeouts per inning, he’ll be highly successful as a starter here as the park tends to favor lefties. It’s also why I’m very high on lefties Harrison, Ballard, Zach Phillips, Beau Jones, Kiker and Grullon in addition to righties Hunter, Poveda, Castillo, Feliz, Font, Pimentel, Beavan, Main and Ramirez – all guys I think should be able to approach a strikeout per inning. the future’s bright…you have to figure 20% of those guys could be successful major leaguers, and if we land an ace or even two out of that group, we’re going to have some fun in a couple of years

what hurts is realizing we could have 2 or even 3 RIGHT NOW in Young, Danks and Volquez, who is now 3-0 with 23 ks in 22 innings and a 1.21 ERA

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

forgot to add two more

Diamond and Madrigal, two wild cards…

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree that Galarraga was

an obvious choice over Mendoza. Galarraga was pitching at AA for a third year. If by succeeding at RBiA you mean a tendency to keep the ball in the yard, than Mendoza has done that consistenly better than Galarraga. It also seems that management was impressed with Mendoza’s breakout season. Honestly, I don’t see either of them sticking in a ML starting rotation for any significant amount of time. Only time will tell.

by Randy Richardson on Apr 22, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree that Galarraga was

an obvious choice over Mendoza. Galarraga was pitching at AA for a third year. If by succeeding at RBiA you mean a tendency to keep the ball in the yard, than Mendoza has done that consistenly better than Galarraga. It also seems that management was impressed with Mendoza’s breakout season. Honestly, I don’t see either of them sticking in a ML starting rotation for any significant amount of time. Only time will tell.

by Randy Richardson on Apr 22, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurley

We all know Eric Hurley will be in Arlington sometime this year. But now is not the time. He went down to OKC after a decent spring and hasn’t used the momentum of a good spring in his favor. His last start was better but still nothing like what you would expect from your top pitching prospect. And certainly nothing to warrant getting called up for. There is also other issues with Hurley. Namely his 40 man status. In an ideal world you wouldn’t have to worry about 40 man rosters and options and stuff like that and could just bring up whoever you wanted whenever you wanted. But the reality is it would take alot of work to get him up. Now if one of our guys went down with a season ending injury and there was a permanent spot in the rotation we could give him then sure go ahead and do it. But for a little 2 week appearance that would ultimately force us to potentially lose a player to waivers and also burn one of his options is not the right move. How many games has German Duran played thus far in his time here? Two. Do you think those two games helped him that much that it was worth burning an option when we could have just as easily brought up a guy like Arias who is already using an option.

by bigsteve on Apr 22, 2008 7:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash/Broussard

In the last year plus, nothing has made Wash look worse than the Broussard affair. Not so much his hitting, as an 0-19 woud kill any hitter’s numbers this early, as for the in-game mental lapses and the shoddy fielding.

Wash’s gushing and very vocal enthusiasm over Broussard has just blown up in his face.

by Randy Richardson on Apr 21, 2008 10:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 21, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

blown up Broussard on face

Weren’t you a pretty vocal supporter of the Broussard signing?

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 21, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As was I

Given his previous success with regular AB’s, I thought that we’d at least be able to flip him for something serviceable. Damn, were we wrong, by about 3 years.

"Hmn [sic] ... pehaps [sic] I've said too much..." - LSJesus

by Chase Irwin on Apr 22, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just want to see Washington

Get fired up about something…...I want to see some fire in his belly. It almost seems like he’s sleepwalking instead of managing.

by Captain Fubar on Apr 21, 2008 10:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If he could have dinner with anyone

it would be CHER!

did anyone catch that gem the other night.

Is he married? sorry, I had to ask

by red shoe ranger on Apr 21, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know that I've seen this mentioned...

But I wonder what Nolan Ryan’s role in all this is? Wash was hired prior to Nolan, though I’ve heard nothing negative from Nolan about Wash.

But, that last mistake-laden homestand might have taken an old-schooler like Nolan to the brink in a hurry. Nolan tells Hicks poor mental baseball is a reflection on the manager and things have to improve immediately, or he’s gotta do something.

Ken Rosenthal reported Saturday Hicks met with Wash and put him on notice. Makes some sense as Hicks may feel responsible for Wash’s hire. Maybe “notice” is wins or maybe its just stop the stupid mistakes and sloppy play.

I don’t know. Lots of conjecture in the above. What’s anyone else think?

by stltxfan on Apr 21, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wash on notice

if sloppy play is all that it takes for wash to be gone then he did not make the trip to Detroit. He would have been sent home to clear out his office and turn in company property. Just saying…

yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Apr 22, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

question

what is Ed Coffin’s viewpoint on the whole washington delimma?

by knockoutking on Apr 22, 2008 1:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Just search his recent activity

such as “Voted for Fire him now. on Lone Star Ball – 04/21/08 4:56 PM EDT”

"Hmn [sic] ... pehaps [sic] I've said too much..." - LSJesus

by Chase Irwin on Apr 22, 2008 1:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So, every vote is recorded for all to see?

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 22, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

As I understand it, yes

"Hmn [sic] ... pehaps [sic] I've said too much..." - LSJesus

by Chase Irwin on Apr 22, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Viewpoint

I’m not an advocate of firing a manager until he has a couple of years with the rebuilding plan, such as it is. And Wash’s developmental skills could (no guarantee) help some prospects become players. However, the handwriting seems to me to be on the wall. I also don’t believe in prolonging the agony. If the ownership/GM mindset is to set a timeline in which Wash has to produce, and the timeline is for instance midseason 2008, then there is no question he is gone.

It’s only aggravating to fans and unfair to Wash to leave him squirming for two more months. Caveat: if they don’t know who the replacement is going to be, don’t do it yet.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Apr 22, 2008 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash

I don’t think there is a timeline during this year to produce anything. The front office has bought into a rebuilding plan and although they won’t come out and say it wins and losses mean very little this year. But what does mean something is building a foundation for the future. JD is doing that at the minor league level and also allowing young guys to be brought up when they are ready by signing veterans to simple one year deals that don’t hamstring an organization. But what Wash has to do is show his style of play is going to be the direction this franchise takes. When he was brought in here he himself preached pitching, defense, and situational hitting.

The pitching this year has been really good. They are still alking a few too many but overall I don’t think there are many complaints about the pitching staff. The only real complaint is with jennings who fits into that one year veteran category and if he continues to pitch like he has he will probably be gone when McCarthy is healthy or when Hurley is ready to make the leap to the big leagues.

The defense and situational hitting have been atroscious. Not only physical mistakes like bad throws but mental ones. Those fall directly on the manager in my opinion. I understand hitting a baseball is the single hardest task in professional athletics. But to not be able to score a guy from 3rd base with no outs, or swinging at the first pitch with the bases loaded, or looking at called third strikes to end games, or the multitude of other things that have happened this year. Again that falls on the manager for not getting his point across to players.

It probably doesn’t help from a fans viewpoint when all we ever see him do is eat sunflower seeds. He never shows fire or emotion. He never seems upset. After losing a game by playing stupid he never seems agitated toward the media. A little something would be nice every now and then. And usually when the manager shows that kind of fired up attitude it translates on to the field. I can count on one hand the amount of times this year I have seen a player pump his fist or get excited after a play. I think Ron Washington is a tremendous coach but a bad manager.

by bigsteve on Apr 22, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"they won’t come out and say it wins and losses mean very little this year"

JD did essentially say this during ST. He was being interviewed by Josh and Tag and he stated that the measure of success for 2008 was the development of the young players. That is why there is a disconnect between Wash and JD. Washington wants to win each game. JD wants the young guys to play.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Apr 22, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

I did not know that. Thats awesome.

by bigsteve on Apr 22, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's one issue I have with firing Ron W. right now

if he is gone, and Wally becomes manager, there’s a chance he doesn’t become the manager after the year’s over. if that happens, and we start playing our youngsters, we’re going to have to learn a new philosophy. all of a sudden, the 2009 2010 window for starting to compete really moves back another two years, so now we’re looking at 2012 before we could even enter a competing standpoint

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good to see Botts reward that

with an 0-4 with 3 Ks.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 22, 2008 6:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

the fallacy of the botts argument

JD didn’t ask to play Botts because Botts is an all-star, he asked to play Botts to see if he’s any good. If you give him a half a season, we can put this question to rest once and for all. its just frustrating that that hasn’t happened in the last 3 years where nobody good was playing in front of botts

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 22, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF,

J D, has not seen by now, that Botts, does not have it, then we do have a major problem. He’ll end the year, with as many k’s as hits.

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 22, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'll bet you $10,000

that you’re wrong

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 22, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's had pretty close

to half a season in his career. So far, he has not shown the ability to crack a 700 OPS.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 22, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's just producing

along the lines of his career stats in the MLB.

by venturafearsnolan on Apr 22, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm just happy to see

that JD is willing to put his foot down and tell his manager what to do. I think many teams are ruined by hands-off GMs. They’re the architects of the team, and they’re trying to put together the perfect roster. They need the managers to actually use that roster, not tinker with it.

by philkid3 on Apr 22, 2008 4:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Into today........

4 hits and 11 K’s…....not quite hof numbers….......BUT, about career avg…...........

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 23, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wednesday

0 hits, 2 K’s, + 1 error….........

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 23, 2008 11:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Thursday

0 hits, 0 K’s, + 3 bb….....should be batting lead off…......

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 25, 2008 10:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Friday

1 hit, 1 K…......

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Saturday

0 hit, 1 K…......

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 27, 2008 10:06 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sunday

1 hit (hr), 3 K

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 27, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Monday

0 hits, 0 K’s, 0 e….............

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 28, 2008 8:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Tuesday

CAREER over
2008…..6 hits, 18K’s…....

back to the Mexican/Pacific….

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 29, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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