Steve Phiilps on Micheal Young

by laxtonto on Apr 23, 2008 12:44 PM CDT

Ben in Texas: With the steady demise of the Ranger's season, what would be likelyhood of Micheal Young getting traded? And if so, what would be his expected value in return?

Steve Phillips: (1:27 PM ET ) Michael Young could bring back some decent talent. Most teams probably wouldn't look at him as a SS, more as a second baseman, as his defense has declined. His value is probably greatest on the other side of the infield. You are getting some age with him, and he won't bring back a No. 1 starter, but he could nab a blue-chip prospect. Most good teams already have a good SS, so he'll be better served as an offseason trade .

Hummm lets see....Who could need a 2B by the break?

Col, LAD, Cubs, CHW, Indians, maybe KC....

Just a thought...

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Nope

Young has a no-trade clause, and the length and price of the contract is effectively a no-trade clause.

by Lucas on Apr 23, 2008 12:49 PM CDT 0 recs

I think he'd waive his no-trade clause

To go to the right team….

But, you’re right, most teams won’t be interested just because of the money…

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 23, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

MY no trade clause...

you think the california kid would veto a trade to the dodgers? really? i dont. Cubs? id see him taking that…

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 23, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

but but

surely the genius GM Steve Phillips knows what he is talking about? What say you!

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 23, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up 0 recs

Actually

The first thing that came to mind here was whether Young might be the one demanding the trade.

That’s one way around a no-trade clause.

I don’t pay much attention to preseason baseball player puff pieces, but recent press on Michael Young documented substantial exasperation about the losing.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 24, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up 0 recs

MY

...is a 10-5 guy; automatic no trade clause.

by FuturePants on Apr 24, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up 0 recs

Not yet.

I think he becomes a 10-5 guy in 2010

His first season was 2000, you know, the year we went from a consistent playoff team to a consistent cellar dweller.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 24, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

please bookmark it

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html

no-trade protection 2007-09, limited no-trade protection from 2010 to May, 2011 (submits list of 8 clubs to which he’d accept trade)
receives 10-and-5 rights in May, 2011

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Apr 24, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up 0 recs

Col, Indians don't need a 2B, but White Sox and Dodgers might be good matches.

No sense in thinking about Kershaw. Dare we mention the Rays?

The best answer for the Rangers, though, is to move Young back 2B and Kinsler to LF, unless Hank is not viewed as a long-term piece, which would mean moving Young to 3B.

I think the Cubs want more power out of their second baseman, but their power-hitting second baseman is playing OF, and their versatile 4th OF is playing 2B. KC isn’t going to be a buyer, most likely. Besides, their doing ok with the Grudzielanek’s of the world.

by rooster on Apr 23, 2008 1:08 PM CDT 0 recs

No

There’s no point in moving Kinsler off of 2B to LF, particularly since I doubt Young will be better than Kinsler defensively over the next few years.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 23, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

I think I know what you're getting at.

MY at 2B might be a slightly above average hitter with average defense. Kinsler in LF might be a slightly above average hitter with average defense.

MY at SS is an average hitter with below average defense. Kinsler at 2B is a much above average hitter with average to above average defense. Keep Kinsler at 2B to maximize his contribution and get a masher LF.

Which leads to the question: Is the downgrade in defense at SS a bigger problem than not having a masher LF? I would like to see a statistical analysis of that question. My hunch, which why I stated “the best answer for the Rangers”, is that a really good SS could do more for the team than a masher LF.

by rooster on Apr 23, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

So, I'm probably wrong.

A quick look by checking into Win Shares suggests a masher LF adds a lot more value than a slick SS, even for groundball teams like Colorado and Texas.

Keep Young at SS; maybe hide him at 3B. Above all, make Byrd (or Murphy) a true 4th OF by picking up someone like Pat Burrell.

by rooster on Apr 23, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'd love to see a trade,

for some blue chip talent. I just can’t see it with that contract.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2008 1:09 PM CDT 0 recs

Young can be traded if

he waives his no trade clause and the Rangers pick up half of his contract.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Apr 23, 2008 1:11 PM CDT 0 recs

Young

I really don’t think there is any point in dealing him this season. The offseason maybe, but not now. There is no in house replacement for him and Andrus is not ready. While the team sucks they might as well hold on to him until Andrus is ready. It’s not like teams are going to be beating down the door for him this season anyway.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Apr 23, 2008 1:14 PM CDT 0 recs

If they can get a big return

and get out from under what will be a terrible contract in the out years, they need to move him, replacement or not.

We can put a AAAA player at SS if necessary to get through the year if we get a big enough return.

Honestly though, I don’t see who would give us Blue Chippers for him.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Phillips

I wouldn’t take this guy’s advice on how to spell Phillips.

Whatever gets you through the night, 'salright, 'salright.

by t ball on Apr 23, 2008 1:18 PM CDT 0 recs

you can trade him before

the contract goes into effect. the no-trade is in the extension part of the contract, right?

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 23, 2008 1:53 PM CDT 0 recs

From Cot's

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/texas-rangers.html

no-trade protection 2007-09, limited no-trade protection from 2010 to May, 2011 (submits list of 8 clubs to which he’d accept trade)

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Apr 23, 2008 2:05 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not going to happen

This may be interesting to speculate about, but it’s completely useless to seriously consider. Not every Rangers fan looks into defensive stats or studies the minor league system. If you trade MY, you lose a whole lot of fans that see a lunch pail, 200 hit, FOTF-type guy in MY. From a business perspective, there are a whole lot more of them than us. No way this happens.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 23, 2008 2:59 PM CDT 0 recs

You can trade MY

and Attendance rises the year after next if the team has a winning record next year.

MY might bring in a trivial number of fans, but winning is where you sell tons of tickets. The thought that he sells a significant number of tickets is absolutely absurd. Winning sells tickets. Marquee players sell tickets. Slightly above average SS do not sell tickets.

Teams should Always, Always, make the move that makes you a winning franchise faster. If you could get out from under that contract, and pick up some Blue Chip prospects, you are much closer to winning.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Ok

You tell me the trade that gets rid of MY and immediately (ie. the next year) gets us more wins. It is not out there. As soon as we trade MY for a Salty-like (if we are lucky) AAA prospect, we’ll hear nothing but people complaining about the cheap Hicks and stupid JD trading away all of this talent and having nobody on the ML roster to show for it. Besides, there is no way MY delivers anything close to a blue chip, high-ceiling, close-to-ML-ready player.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 23, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well

if we were able to trade MY for a Salty-like prospect, pretty much everyone on this board would be doing backflips. Even the fatties would be doing cartwheels.

But, how do we know for sure there are no good Michael Young trades out there? Ken Williams is dumb, Ozzie has gone out of his way in the past to let the world know how much he hearts Michael Young, and they have Juan Freaking Uribe playing 2b for them right now, so maybe the White Sox would help us out. And I’d argue that any trade that allows us to get rid of Franchise Face and his contract and allows us to bring in a defensive minded SS for next year makes us better.

"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." -Excel Hearts Choi

by thedirkatron on Apr 23, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't have the final analysis on this idea, but one thing I'll put out there

is that by using Win Shares as a quick analysis tool it shows that Hanley Ramirez’s (25.0) hitting contribution was more than twice that of the Tulowitzki’s fielding contribution (10.9).

Not the final word, but makes me want to think more about the value of a slick fielding shortstop who isn’t at the Oz level.

by rooster on Apr 23, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

+1

That type of trade would “make my millenium” in the words of a great 80s movie character.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 23, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well,

I agree that the trade may not exist, because I don’t think any other team is dumb enough to give us Blue Chippers and take that contract off our hands and have MY agree to it.

I just have a huge problem of the whole “We can’t trade away player X, because he is a fan favorite, and we will lose fans”. That is the biggest load of crap argument I have ever heard. If the Rangers win, fans will turn out. That will be true if we loaded up the team with recently paroled criminals.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 23, 2008 3:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

My mind boggles at the thought...

...of how much of his contract we would have to eat.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 23, 2008 2:59 PM CDT 0 recs