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Buster Olney on the Rangers situation

Buster Olney talks at length about the Rangers situation this morning:

Texas Rangers owner Tom Hicks made it clear recently to manager Ron Washington that he would be held accountable for the team's brutal early-season play, sources say, so it was a mild surprise to some in the game that Washington wasn't let go on Friday, after the team returned home.

The Rangers' top management met, but announced no decisions, as Evan Grant writes. Texas fell behind in a big way Friday, but then came back. The Rangers did make one personnel move. There is word within this piece that Jarrod Saltalamacchia has been called up to the big leagues, and that Brandon McCarthy will continue to be out, for at least six more weeks.

If Washington is let go soon, others who know new president Nolan Ryan think that he might ask bench coach Art Howe to run the team for the rest of the season, while Ryan takes stock in the organization. Talent evaluators who saw the Rangers on the most recent road trip say they saw a team "out of control," in the word of one -- the players very loose in their fundamental play, pitchers who seem incapable of consistently throwing strikes.

But the problems of the Rangers go far beyond the question of whether Washington has command of his players. Here are other issues:

1. A rival official asked an open-ended question: Why is that the Rangers struggle so badly to develop their own pitching talent? Texas has had good arms, in the likes of John Danks and Edinson Volquez and Nick Masset and Chris Young and some current members of its staff, but somewhere along the way, between when they are signed and when they are on the cusp of the big leagues, something seems to get lost. More often than not, the Texas talent doesn't fully translate into big-league success until the pitchers are elsewhere. "I'm sure that's something that Nolan is taking a look at," said the official.

2. The Rangers have a very odd mix of players. Their highest-paid player, Michael Young, is a shortstop who might be best suited at second base, and second baseman Ian Kinsler, who is also locked into a long-term deal, might be best suited at another position. "I haven't made up my mind whether he [Kinsler] can be a good second baseman," said a scout. The best prospect in the organization is Elvis Andrus, the shortstop acquired from Atlanta in the excellent Mark Teixeira deal; Andrus is off to a decent start in Double-A this year. The suggestion of one rival evaluator is that the Rangers should consider trading Young as a good-hitting second baseman, while eating a portion of the five-year, $80 million contract that doesn't begin until next year, and runs out in 2013.

Texas general manager Jon Daniels recently received an extension, but if Ryan ultimately decides he wants somebody else making the baseball choices, others who know Ryan wonder if he'll ask former Houston GM Gerry Hunsicker -- now an advisor with Tampa Bay -- to come on board. Even if that happens, friends say Hunsicker very much likes his role with the Rays. "This is actually a really good time for Ryan to evaluate the organization," said one official, "because you find out who are the rats jumping ship."

If Ryan asks Howe to take over, that would suggest, to me, that he's the one running the show, and Daniels is on the way out, since picking the manager is something that is generally the g.m.'s job.  And as I've mentioned before, I have a hard time believing that, if Washington gets fired because the team is "out of control," his right hand man is going to take over.  Again, Matt Walbeck, coaching third base after four seasons managing in the Tigers' minor league system -- and getting a reputation as a rising star -- seems like he'd be the choice.

As for Young, I can't see Hicks allowing the Rangers to deal him, or wanting to subsidize yet another unhappy shortstop playing for another team.  I also don't know that he'd be all that well-suited for second base, at this point...the good arm and lack of range makes him a better fit at third base, where I think he'll be no later than 2010.

 

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All this stuff from Fraley

and Olney just seems a bit off the mark. I cannot see Hicks wanting to change all of the leadership yet again; or as you say, subsidizing Young to play somewhere else.
They might have a point on the pitching development, but those deals are defensible excepting the SD trade. A bigger point might be made about roster management if you’re looking for something to pick on Daniels about.

This organization has been in a huge hole. It simply cannot be expected to dig itself all the way out in a year. Sorry, folks, but like Pittsburgh fans, we’re going to have to patient. Let Daniels keep on building, install Walbeck and see where it goes.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 26, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

God, MY feels like a milstone.

He’s a terrible SS, so he can’t play there. He probably can’t play 2B well, but would be an above average hitter at 2B. He’s probably best for 3B, but his OPS+ is below average for a good 3B.

Personally, I’d rather trade him than Blalock. I have a gut feeling that MY’s not the leader we think he is. He seems like a grumbler to me.

by Apes and Androids on Apr 26, 2008 2:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Ugh

"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3

by Brian Thomas on Apr 26, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He certainly has whined every bit as much

as ARod ever did. As far as a leader, he has done a great job leading the Rangers to 3rd and 4th place.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 26, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear he bets on dog fighting, too

"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3

by Brian Thomas on Apr 26, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this team must take stock in its youth

and for that reason, Walbeck should be the next manager. Having him on the cusp is like having Salty in AAA.

by clark on Apr 26, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 26, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

very true

but he has a very solid track record in the minor leagues and BA named him the top up and coming managerial candidate last year. I think he has some pedigree. As far as the nuances of his baseball philosophy, I have no idea.

by clark on Apr 26, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I thought he did a fairly decent job in Houston

but Drayton Mclane drove him a little nuts.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 26, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Transaction history

Anyone know of a place to easily find trade/signing histories for GMs?

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 26, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Management

I think the players the Rangers have right now are a good base for what our management is trying to do. But what our management isn’t doing is fixing our pitching problems. We develop good pitching and the right when they are about to come up, we trade them away for another hitter that we don’t need. I think we need to stop signing older position players and start signing young talented pitchers and build a pitching staff that doesn’t have an ERA around 5. I think that we do need to get rid of Daniels and Tom Hicks needs to sell the team and let him focus on hockey and soccer. Bring back Doug Melvin because look what he has done in Milwaukee. I think we need a total uprooting in the front office and people who make baseball decisions for the Rangers.

by scotty30 on Apr 26, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

1) We have traded (1) promising pitcher for a hitter (which we do need)
2) You can’t really sign young talented pitchers, because they are not available for you to sign
3) What exactly is the reason for getting rid of JD now?
4) You can’t get rid of Hicks, he owns the team
5) You can always uproot the front office, but if you don’t identify the problems, your new people will make the same mistakes.

by Telegraph on Apr 26, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 26, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay
We develop good pitching and the right when they are about to come up, we trade them away for another hitter that we don’t need.

Who are the pitchers who the Rangers have done that with?

I think we need to stop signing older position players and start signing young talented pitchers

Are you talking about guys like Main, Beavan, Ramirez, Hunter, Font, Castillo…talented young pitchers in the minors?

Or are you talking about talented young pitchers who can be signed as free agents? And if that’s what you are talking about, what talented young pitchers should the Rangers have signed in the last couple of years?

Bring back Doug Melvin because look what he has done in Milwaukee.

He’s had 1 winning record in 6 years as g.m. That one winning record was an 83-79 finish. And he’s built a team with a strong group of young hitters, but that doesn’t have great pitching, other than Ben Sheets (who he inherited).

And when Melvin was with the Rangers, his biggest flaw was that he did a lousy job of developing pitching from within.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 26, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with all of that

JD has made mistakes as GM, but most of those are in the past. He’s on the right track now, and that’s why he needs to stay here. We don’t need someone who is going to come in and change direction again mid-stream.

The only problem with JD right now is that he hasn’t put his foot down on the Ron Washington situation yet, and fully committed the team to the rebuilding effort.

That needs to be rectified, and soon.

by lonestarJon on Apr 26, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

Where else could he play? Outfield? I believe he’s been an infielder his whole career.

by TXRangersFan on Apr 26, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Young to CF?

Why not? Next year? LF Murphy CF Young RF Hamilton (more natural position)
Andrus and / or Arias @ SS (Ready or not).

by coachh on Apr 26, 2008 4:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good lord

Young in CF? Why not? For one, he has NEVER played the outfield. Secondly, while he has decent speed he is nowhere near fast enough to cover ground in CF in Arlington. He already doesn’t have the range to play SS so why would he be able to do it in CF? Third, both Hamilton and Murphy are better suited for it. I could almost see Young in LF but to suggest CF is absurd.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

by DaheelzCM on Apr 26, 2008 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why?

He’s not fast. He’s never played the position. He’d likely be worse than either Murphy or Hamilton in CF.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 26, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Copycat

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

by DaheelzCM on Apr 26, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To suggest

that young would be more natural in CF than Hamilton or Murphy is just insanity.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 26, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also false

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 27, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I nominate this for Dumbest Comment of the Year.

by lonestarJon on Apr 26, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

Hamilton is more suited for RF. Beleve me on that one. Young would be a good outfielder. He’s not slow, as you all say. And, there’s been many a SS converted to the outfield. If you guys knew anything about the game you spend hours in a chat room discussing, you’d know that the best players start at SS and then end up elsewhere. I will concede that maybe he would be better suited for LF…...........

by coachh on Apr 26, 2008 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young in LF = pheasible, if not probable

Young in CF = moronic.

Now that you seem to realize that though, I withdraw my submission. I do agree with you on one critical point: Young needs to be moved off SS.

by lonestarJon on Apr 26, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Converted SS

Who are all of these guys and how many of them did it after the age of 30?

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

by DaheelzCM on Apr 26, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"If you guys knew anything..."

Most LSBers have forgot more about the game of baseball than you will ever know. Nothing you have said makes any sense or will ever happen. Please go away.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 26, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are a dumbass
Hamilton is more suited for RF. Beleve me on that one.

Yeah, ok, I trust you. Who are you, again?

Have you watched a game this year?

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 27, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds kind of like

Another shift in management, and a change in direction once again?

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 26, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I wish Fraley and Olney

would cite some sources .. If they have something reliable to base this on, that’s one thing, but it sounds like they’re just speculating about Daniels. Didn’t he get a contract extension recently? I see no reason Wash’s fate would be remotely tied to Daniels’.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 26, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wash's fate is tied to Daniels...

...he’s the one who hired him. if Ron Washington is close to being fired, Daniels knows he’s next.

and Olney mentions Evan Grant.

by oc on Apr 26, 2008 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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