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Posada to the d.l., Yanks shopping for a catcher

Well, the Yanks suffered a pretty significant blow today, with Jorge Posada being placed on the d.l., and possibly out for some time:

It should have been a terrific day for the Yankees, one of the best of the season.

Instead, it was perhaps the worst, a day when they found out that a truly indispensable member of the team, catcher Jorge Posada, was not going to be available for some time.

* * *

Earlier tests indicated that there was no structural damage to his right shoulder. But Sunday's experience made Posada wonder about that.

"The MRI showed a strained muscle," Posada said. "I think it's more than that."

That would be a layman's opinion, but it's also his shoulder. Posada has never been on the DL in his career, which is a remarkable record for someone in his second decade as a Major League catcher.

In the past eight years, Posada has averaged 142 games per season, which is one of the reasons the Yankees felt secure in giving him a four-year, $52.4 million contract, even at age 36, over the offseason. This was part of the reason that Posada may have been feeling that the weight of the world was directly upon his right shoulder on Sunday.

"You want to play," he said. "You put the uniform on and you take pride in playing."

But Posada will be resting rather than playing for the short-term future. He said that he hoped to schedule an appointment with Dr. James Andrews, the noted Birmingham, Ala., orthopedic surgeon to get another opinion.

There is no debate on the question of Posada going on the DL.

"We've got to get him healthy," Girardi said.

"I'm going on the DL, I think we've got to be smart about it," Posada said.

Backup catcher Jose Molina will be the No. 1 catcher now while the Yankees seek another reserve backstop. Molina is a capable defensive catcher, a thoughtful handler of pitchers and a member of the first family of catching. But he was the first one to acknowledge that the Yankees could use a speedy return to full health by Posada.

I've got to think Jon Daniels is going to be on the phone with Brian Cashman right now.  Jose Molina is a bad player...he'll be 33 in June, has never had 250 plate appearances in a major league season, and has a career 638 OPS.  He's a backup, nothing more.

Meanwhile, in Arlington, Jarrod Saltalamacchia is up, and is going to be phased in as the regular catcher.  Gerald Laird is better than Molina, and would seem to be a good fit for the Yanks.

Before you ask, I don't know what the Yanks would give up for him, what would be a fair return, or even if they are actually interested in Laird.  But I wouldn't be surprised if Daniels, realizing that the team to make a move with Laird is now, rather than later, decides to pull the trigger and make a deal with the Yanks (or use the Yanks' need for a catcher to leverage a team like Boston, who has been interested in Laird in the past, to make a deal to keep Laird from New York).

 

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by jparks77 on Apr 27, 2008 8:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That dude is...

6’9’’ and 215 lbs. Just turned 20 as well. I think I’d be ok with that deal.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet...

We’ll take Joba.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

How nice would that be. We could put him right into the rotation and prove little Stieny right.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't tease me...

that would be great.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But still..

Shouldn’t we get more than a COF with a mid 700 OPS in AA for a starting catcher with his EQA?

Yanks prospects are extremely overrated.

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson...

isn’t overrated.

We should be thrilled if they would deal him for OMFT and Jack.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dunno if he's or not

don’t know much about him, but from what i’ve seen, a lot of their prospects are overhyped, that’s for sure…Hughes especially from the people here…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, well

I think most of us would take an overhyped Hughes any day of the week there, guy.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 27, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's just the fans on this site.

Hughes is a legit talent. What’s your hangup?

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 27, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

his stuff

just seems very average to me. Sorry man, i know the stats probably don’t prove that in the minors, but i guess that’s just my opinion on him projecting him in the majors.

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speak for yourself

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/6/28/193259/044

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 28, 2008 2:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salty for Joba!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You know

Even though I think everyone here knows I’m against trading Salty (and Teagarden, too, at this point) you have to admit, Salty would be a perfect fit for the Yankees.

They, unlike the idiots managing our Texas Rangers understand the value of having an OFFENSIVE catcher.

I really don’t think Laird would get them all hot and bothered, but if we offered them Salty, they might seriously think about that.

If we where gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though.

That, said, I’m still COMPLETELY AGAINST trading either Salty or Teagarden as of yet. Wait until Tea has had a least a few AB’s in the majors to make a decision on either one.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

Excel Hearts Choi thanks you for supplying a quote so mind numbingly ignorant that it knocks his Sabean/Liriano quote off my sig.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 27, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They, unlike the idiots managing our Texas Rangers

understand the value of having an OFFENSIVE catcher.

Joe Girardi says, “Hey! I had 13 stolen bases and 11 sac bunts leading my ‘96 Yankees to a World Series title.”

by Randy Richardson on Apr 27, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And of course...

...the Rangers management not understanding the value of having an OFFENSIVE catcher is why they traded for Jarrod Saltalamacchia and Max Ramirez in the span of about 2 weeks last season…

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

what where they thinking?

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 28, 2008 2:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If the Rangers really understood the value of an offensive catcher

Jarrod Saltalamacchia would not be “splitting time evenly” with Superstar.

by lonestarJon on Apr 28, 2008 3:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe ...

... he is splitting time to showcase Laird for a trade, thus making the offensive catcher the primary catcher. Which would mean they trade the defensive catcher in favor of starting the offensive one.

by Melmart1 on Apr 28, 2008 5:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unfortunately,

the more you play Laird, the less his trade value is.

I think you need to use Laird like Showalter did to get max trade value. Play him rarely and mostly vs lefties.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 28, 2008 5:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After ...

... the season he had at the plate last year, if you don’t play him to show that isn’t the norm, everyone will assume that is all he can do. His trade value could only go up from last season, even if it is only slightly.

by Melmart1 on Apr 28, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you're saying you miss Buck...

disgusting.

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 28, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buck wasn't

100% wrong in the things he did.

That doesn’t mean I miss him.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 28, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or maybe...

It’s because he’s a 23 year old who skipped AAA and still has some defensive deficiencies that he needs to work on.

Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

by DaheelzCM on Apr 28, 2008 6:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't. trade him unless...

...they got something truly worthwhile in return. Saltalamacchia’s long-term future probably isn’t at catcher, and it’s not like Laird’s old or anything. He’s capable defensively and has finally started hitting RHP’s. As long as he keeps doing that he’s fine as a Ranger in my book. .260 overall with a little power? I’ll take it. If he can learn how to block pitches in the dirt then doesn’t have a lot of glaring weaknesses.

by Black Francis on Apr 27, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If Saltalamacchia's long-term future isn't at catcher...

...then Texas needs to trade him to a team that thinks his long-term future is at catcher.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would you

do Salty for Joba?

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In a heart beat

Before Cashman can change his mind.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes...

Yanks won’t though

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its Hank

Steinbrenners choice, and he is a dumbass.

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes but he does

love him some Joba.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What kind of question is that?

Would you trade Blalock for Peavy?

by Brett Perryman on Apr 27, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So your

comparing Joba to Peavy?

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you comparing

Hank to Laird…?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 28, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

u talking about blalock now

or when blalock was coming up? because blalock coming up was thought of just like David Wright coming up…

I don’t know if i trade a potential David Wright for a potential Jake Peavy. It’s close though, very close…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I always trade a David Wright for a Peavy

we’ve never had a Peavy. EVER. Nolan Ryan wasn’t a Peavy…but to be fair, I guess I should also say Peavy will never be a Nolan Ryan?

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 28, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awesome

The sad thing is that 3 years ago, the Rangers probably could have gotten Peavy – who was always injured then – for Blalock.

by JBImaknee on Apr 27, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

that’s why i asked the question i did…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey Z

Can you clarify what you were trying to say here?

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

k

it looked like you were equating Salty with Blalock.

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salty's future...

is at catcher imo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

With MaxRam at DH

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 27, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where else would you put MaxRam?

From what I understand he is a hitting machine but not a very good catcher.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he produces...

and can manage to play LF/DH I might keep him.

It all depends on how strong that bat is going to be.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IMO I think you keep him

and stick him at DH if Botts can’t hit. If Botts shows he can hit keep him then trade MaxRam but why trade him when this team desperatly needs hitters. What is their BA with RISP?

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if

you have nobody better to DH?

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 27, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If MaxRam can catch

and hit well enough to be your DH, you trade him for someone who hits equally well at a less valuable position plus something else that is pretty nice.

by JBImaknee on Apr 27, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

why?

so we can have jason botts and cat play DH for the next 5 years

by kumizi on Apr 27, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It just depends

on whether what you get back would be of more value than Ramirez could provide, obviously. If he is a really good DH and you can’t get much, you obviously keep him. But if someone values him as a Victor Martinez style catcher, there is a good change that you could get something of more significance than his bat as a DH.

by Brett Perryman on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, everybody else feels differently

but I truly think Max can be a special hitter. and if we keep him at C, or move him to DH or somewhere else, I think we’d have to be absolutely bowled over to deal him. now that’s just my opinion. I’m not saying he’s a Haffner, but I get the feeling he could be a Haffner – or a Manny even at the plate. sorry, I know it’s out of line, I know it’s unsubstantiated, I know it’s a “gut feeling” but it’s what I’ve got…

"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."

by Walter Sobchak on Apr 28, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes finally started htiting RHPs?

i dont think a 718 ops in 59 at bats means anything at all.

but no i wouldnt have a big problem with trading salty and sticking with laird until one of the prospects replaces him if the situation was right.

ive never really disliked laird, i dislike playing laird when better options are around. if we got a great value for that option than maybe.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 27, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This will be a good gauge of Laird's trade value

For months I’ve been saying that he won’t bring back anything of value. Now we get to see.

My guess is that they would pull someone off the street to catch everyday before they would trade Austin Jackson for OMFT.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 27, 2008 8:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes

But they are also thin in the pen. I could see a Laird + Benoit deal go down.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope...

Salty is at a premium position.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Salty is traded

we better get SP back.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 27, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More than that

Come on. Salty’s one of the premiere offensive catching prospects in the game.

Think two SP’s, one high-level, one mid-level/low level, or something else just as enticing.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

The Rangers couldn’t get a high level starting pitching prospect for Teixeira, which is why they took a high level catcher, plus a mid-level SP prospect, plust a high level SS prospect and two low pitchers.

Yet if the Yanks had said the word “Philip Hughes,” Tex would be wearing pinstripes right now…

Salty isn’t worth a pitching prospect with Ace potential. Sad but true.

by JBImaknee on Apr 27, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Braves did not have any high-level SP's to give

So we took the top 3 or 4 prospects in their system instead, plus a couple other players instead. Next best thing.

Tex was also a player in his second-to-last contract year, who has all but decided to take his free agency when it comes, no matter where he’s at.

Salty is a young prospect, with a good 5 years of service time left. His bat is also among the elite at a position where offense is not often found. For all that, you should at least be asking for a high-level SP, plus a mid-level one.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm...
His bat is also among the elite at a position where offense is not often found.

It may end up being among the elite at the position. It ain’t yet.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joba, Phil Huges, ext...

They may be ending up being elite at their positions, too.

They ain’t there yet either.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could you please

keep your stupidity to yourself?

k thanks!

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 27, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hehe
Excel Hearts Choi thanks you for supplying a quote so mind numbingly ignorant that it knocks his Sabean/Liriano quote off my sig.

“If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though.” -lonestarJon

Toasty, eh?

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 27, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy, I'm glad you're not GM of this team

You’d have traded Mark Teixeira for Mike Hampton or something.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Uh

Mike Hampton was a dominant pitcher before injuries derailed him. He still ended up being above-average, despite them.

Just not your night, huh?

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 28, 2008 3:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I meant last year, Chase

He has been DL-bound, and a liability to the Braves payroll for a couple years now. I hope you’re not suggesting you’d have traded Tex for Hampton.

by lonestarJon on Apr 28, 2008 3:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

you picked quite an awkward name to attempt to insult Rodney, considering that Hampton’s talent was once worth a similar value to what Teixeira’s is / will be. (8/$120)

But hey, I’m conversing with Baseball Jesus here, hindsight extraordinaire.

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 28, 2008 5:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We shouldn't trade Salty...

unless the Yankees give us their market.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Apr 28, 2008 5:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Joba is a power pitcher with top of the rotation potential. Ace potential.

In 33 career innings, his era is 0.81 with a K/BB ratio of 45/9.

Joba>Salty and its not even close.

by jparks77 on Apr 27, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's such a damn hotshot

Why can’t they decide whether he’s a starter or closer?

We don’t need another bullpen guy, we need a rock-solid starter. Joba doesn’t really look like he fits that mold to me.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay
If he’s such a damn hotshot

Why can’t they decide whether he’s a starter or closer?

We don’t need another bullpen guy, we need a rock-solid starter. Joba doesn’t really look like he fits that mold to me.

Is this serious, or a joke?

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSJ can't be serious

Man if Cashman came to JD and offered Joba straight up for Salty and JD turned him down JD should be fired on the spot.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

J.D.

would say….

“no wawa waw give me more, I want more than that!!!wa wa wa “

He’s ask for more and then the deal would be off.

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, no, he wouldn't

And what does your signature mean?

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 27, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My sig

means the sources are legit..

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

Based on what?

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 28, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 28, 2008 3:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevermind

You guys are missing my point.

IF we where to trade Salty to the Yankees, we’d be dealing an elite catching prospect from a position of strength. The Yankees pitching is their biggest area of strength (on the farm, anyways).

You’d better at least ask for more than just Joba straight up, or you’re not doing your job as GM.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The thing

is that the Yankees probably wouldn’t give up Joba for Salty.

Word up is that Joba is the next great thing, like ace good.

He would instantly be our best starter.

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tad overrated

He would still be the Rangers #1

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 28, 2008 5:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And since I'm leaving, and I won't be able to defend my point any longer

I’ll ask you guys this:

Why isn’t Joba starting? I have a hard time thinking that ANY organization would be stupid enough to stick a guy like Joba in the bullpen, if he could start – that is, unless Joba has some durability issues?

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on
Why isn’t Joba starting?

This has been covered by the media ad nauseum for the last 8-9 months.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know...

I remember something on my date tonight…

Weren’t you guys the ones who schooled me on just how valuable a hitting catcher is?

Forgive me for taking that lesson to heart, and not thinking Joba Chamberlain is the Son of God.

by lonestarJon on Apr 28, 2008 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, valuable,

but, as usual, you took a good point and misapplied it (or just way over-applied it.) Salty is valuable, but Joba is one of the most highly valued young pitchers in all of baseball. He has already had phenomenal success in the toughest market under pressure. Salty has had a much more mixed rookie experience and has questions about a part of his game (defense) that is MUCH more important for catchers than for pitchers.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 28, 2008 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most valuable

commodity in baseball, in my opinion, is a legit top of the rotation starter.

by jparks77 on Apr 28, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You had a date?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 28, 2008 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on Apr 28, 2008 6:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because

when you mix up Hank Steinbrenner, Brian Cashman, and joe Girardi, you get one giant confused mess.

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 11:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

Miles knows.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 27, 2008 11:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

you’d take Joba over a potential mike piazza type player?

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Joba

could become one of the best starters in baseball…

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

okay

potential great pitcher or potential great catcher? That is the question? Not sure if i would say ‘it’s not even close’ if that was the situation…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not like the yankees would be looking to get salty anyway

they are paying posada too much. giving up a decent prospect to cover for posada while injured and be a better backup who can shoulder more of the load over the next 5 years? maybe.

trade a key piece of their team or elite prospect to get a starting catcher when they have 50 million commited to jorge? maybe if they find out in a few weeks the guys shoulder is destroyed and he is done, but not just to cover for a few months.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 28, 2008 2:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

EXACTLY!!

This is why the Yankees would give us mostly nothing but potential young prospects for Laird.

by bspate on Apr 28, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is

no one offers much more than c level prospects for Laird. It’s not like he is much better than AAAA filler out there.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 28, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

as simple as it sounds

many people here just don’t get it, or won’t admit it.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 28, 2008 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

It’s inconsistent with recent contracts given to catchers. And some of those may not make sense, but that’s an indicator you can use for a player’s market value.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 28, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not greedy...

if the Yanks won’t give up Jackson for Laird+...

Then how about Laird for Jose Tabata.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Or what about...

Laird for Alan Horne.

I love trade speculation talk with OMFT, between this and today’s game now I’m in a good mood.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's who I immediately thought of...

...although he was supposedly “untouchable” last summer…

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some other more realistic arms:

David Robertson
Zach McAllister
George Kontos

and a few lower level arms that I like:

Jairo Heredia
Wilkins de la Rosa (hard throwing lefty OF convert)
Ivan Nova

by Brett Perryman on Apr 27, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Chase Wright?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Daniels presumably still wants too much

and the Yankees are presumably still too stingy about dealing prospects for short term solutions, but they would be a very good organization to trade with, possessing a wide spectrum of arms at different levels and with different upsides. They also have a nice – though more limited – selection of C+/B- position prospects (can’t imagine that guys like AJax and Tabata are even worth mentioning).

by Brett Perryman on Apr 27, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Becasue they

think all of their prospects are superstars just because they are with that organization.

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gerry thinks hes a superstar too..

so it should be a good match.

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http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 27, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think

the Yankees will do anything until they know Posada’s longterm status.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 27, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

And who knows when that’ll be. Unless George is out for longer than 6-8 weeks, I don’t think the Yankees would be willing to dish out quality prospects.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So...

I just went over to Pinstripe Alley to see what Yank fans thought of all this.

That place is a damn ghost town. There are very few comments on any topic over there. Damn we are nerds!

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yankees fans

are quite disillusioned right now.

by Brett Perryman on Apr 27, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

some SB Nation blogs just plain aren’t popular, and it has nothing to do with how their team is doing.

"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." -Excel Hearts Choi

by thedirkatron on Apr 27, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I browsed at Lohud Yankees blog and

Bronx Banter. Most fans seem content to ride Molina and Stewart for a while and see what happens. I’m guessing the Yanks don’t make a move unless they think Posada is out for the year.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 27, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There are so many yanks forums

People are going to be dispersed.

The only Rangers ones I know of are LSB and NMLR.

by LiamP on Apr 27, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yankee fans

They discuss the Yanks all over NYC. They don’t need no stinking blog.

You want to see a ghost town? Stop by the Washington Nationals blog.

by lonestarJon on Apr 27, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

look what you did

getting everyone all excited. Then we feel crappier when Laird stays….

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why wouldn't SF

offer Bengie Molina to the Yanks and hope for a good young return like we would?

by shroomer on Apr 27, 2008 9:29 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Because...

...the Giants are trying to put together the worst lineup in the history of baseball.

Go look at who the Giants had out there against Volquez today.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 27, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Holy crap

you weren’t kidding. I don’t even recognize a couple of those names.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 27, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Giants

why do they even bother pinch hitting for Zito? They should just leave him out there to hit. They’ve got to have 2 or 3 guys who hit worse than their best pitchers hit.

Zito already has 6 losses. He keeps this up he’ll break 20 by the All-Star Break…

by JBImaknee on Apr 27, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He hope they let

him get his 20-25 losses since they are paying him a shitload of money. Man thank god we did not sign him

by coolaid on Apr 27, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Shhh....

the only CA available is Laird. Cashman must know this.

Damn look at me. I’m going to have 137 comments in this thread. I feel like LSJ in a gameday thread.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy there...

You’re not at that level yet.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 27, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude, this thread was a fucking disaster for you

The farther down I read, the more it devolved—seemingly with each post.

Why don’t you cut your losses … ever?

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 28, 2008 3:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure

Conviction to my opinions, I guess.

But hey, I’m a Ranger fan. If I was into cutting my losses, I would have quit in May last season.

by lonestarJon on Apr 28, 2008 3:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeh Jonny...

you need to learn when to tap the breaks or in this case slam them down instead of going full throttle on the accelerator.

Everybody and their sister was stopping by to take a potshot at these particular trade proposals. Sometimes it’s best to admit error and save a lit’l face. This part can’t be “therapeutic” for you like you claim the massive posting on gameday threads is.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 28, 2008 12:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't hold your breaths

but it’s fun to dream.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 27, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Laird for Eric Duncan?

/2005

UT's jealous.... we got Tellus

by TheBZA on Apr 27, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont think they will back the truck up

to replace a 638 OPS catcher with a 676 OPS catcher.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 27, 2008 10:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You hold your tongue Cahill...

Laird is a superstar who can really make a impact.

Or at least I think that’s what he said.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 27, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

His butt certainly causes a major impact

on the bench.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 28, 2008 8:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well then would you do...

Salty for – Dellin Betances & Abraham Almonte

Since we are rebuilding why not get younger.

by sftxfan on Apr 27, 2008 11:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No

Those are nice, high upside prospects, but they both have a LONG way to go.

by Brett Perryman on Apr 27, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Gosh

Nelson Cruz is raking in AAA, i had no idea..

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:35 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

He does everytime is plays there that is the problem.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really

I didn’t know that he was slugging .758 and has an OPS of nearly 1.300…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hadn't looked it up but

I just assumed he was raking there because he seems to hit there and not up here.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Apr 27, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To bad

he can’t do that in the majors.

And the secret sources in Cincinnati get the last laugh....

by miles on Apr 27, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's what everyone is saying about Botts

but he’s getting ABs here now, i think Cruz should be our everyday LF right now…i don’t care how many ABs he’s had before up here, that’s insane. Shelton should be up here too…

But i guess if those 2 are up here, Botts is gone…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 27, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe what I am hearing

from some baseball opinions I really respect. Laird AND Benoit for Austin Jackson? Really? Benoit was one of the best relief pitchers in the game last year…so let’s try to trade him now that his value is at its lowest?

Laird is actually holding his own at the plate this year and is still a solid defensive catcher. Austin Jackson has loads of talent but until last year he had never really put it together. He may be in AA, but he is still a long ways off. He is currently sporting an OPS of .753 and that is carried by solid plate discipline. I certainly like him as a talent, but enough to grab Laird and Benoit? The Yanks have some definite talent on their farm, but as many have pointed out, buyer beware, as their kids have a long history of the hype not matching the results.

by clark on Apr 28, 2008 12:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Laird is holding his own?

If Laird is holding his own this year, then Jose Molina is flat raking this year. This thought they are going to give us much talent for Laird, who shows everyday that he is a backup at best, is a little funny.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 28, 2008 4:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jackson

But wait he is from Denton which instantly makes him better than he really is. Don’t you know. Anybody who grows up in DFW or even Texas for that matter should be on the Rangers.

by bigsteve on Apr 28, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Denton is the best city in the nation. No, the world.

Have you ever met anyone from Denton? They’re like gods. Ruggedly handsome, super intelligent gods.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 28, 2008 12:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm from Denton

and the city sucks. It used to be cool but now it has turned into Lewisville. I can’t even visit it anymore.

by jparks77 on Apr 28, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

Me too. I was mainly being sarcastic. I haven’t been back since my parents moved away a few years back. Never particularly cared for the place, but it’s still my hometown and all.

And you gotta root for the hometown boy AJax… even if he did go to Ryan.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 28, 2008 12:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 28, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WOW I can't wait to go back and visit.

and met all these renaissance men.

most of the guys I’ve met from Denton worked at Taco Bell.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 28, 2008 12:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've already met one

Me, and I haven’t worked at Taco Bell in months ;)

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 28, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

well if you ever go back I’ll have a burrito GRANDE .. extra sauce please.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 28, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys

need to take your sex talk offline.

Fishing in the rivers of life. All bound for Mu Mu Land.

by Escher on Apr 28, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Speaking of catchers

Why’d Max get pulled today?

I’m guessing he was pulled just because he’s actually in the boxscore… Looks vaguely injuryish but Lucas mentions nothing.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 28, 2008 12:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think Harrigan

started at C today and Ramirez PH for Harrison late in the game.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 28, 2008 6:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WoW,

very intense thread going on with Jon being the centerpiece.
First off Joba isnt going anywhere.

Secondly, Joba is going to be a starter, but not with the Yanks. There need right now is a setup man to compliment Rivera and when Rivera leaves Joba is going to take the reins.

Thirdly, Joba is legit, hands down he is a beast. In no way is he overrated. I live in NewYork and see him pitch on TV over and over. I dream of having a pitcher like him in Texas.

Last but not least, AJM and others have suggested Benny be in a deal. You guys are nuts. I thought Jack Benny was doing terrible this year. I doubt he could bring back a significant return.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Apr 28, 2008 7:53 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Definition please

It’s my first year on the board. OMFT = ? I’ve got all of the other acronyms.

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 28, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One Man Five Tools

It is Lairds little nick name for himself. It is supposedly the reason why he wears number 15.

Danks, Volquez, Galarraga and Young are GONE! GET OVER IT! Endless whining will not bring them back!

by LBBRangerFan on Apr 28, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

1M5T

I like that version better…

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 28, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ditto

Every time I see OMFT I think it stands for Oh, my effin’ something or other.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 28, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it should mean that..

that’s what we’re all saying every time Gerry walks back to the dugout with his bat his hand.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 28, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

God Bless you sir

I’m sure humility is not one of those tools, but a fork definitely is. He bragged to Blalock once about throwing a guy out at first from his knees in ST. Blalock just told him the guy would be in AA soon, so it’s not that big of a feat.

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 28, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mlbtraderumors.com

They’ve had some Rangers chatter this past week, and Laird’s name comes up here, but if you go back to March…there was a lot reported about interest in Laird.

I think the guy’s pretty far gone. And I think the return will be a pleasant surprise.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 28, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we get any return

other than minor league filler, it will be a pleasant surprise.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 28, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

best case

would be for some team to part with a teenage international free agent that has upside but is still down in low A or instructional league and far removed from anybody’s top 200 prospect list.

Like a Grullon or somebody like that. And that is best case.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 28, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree

I’m with you on thinking Laird’s not that good, as I think he’s a below-average major league starting catcher, but I disagree on the value a below average major league starting catcher has around the league.

Look at the return other not-good catchers have gotten over the last decade, and it’s pretty damn surprising. You could put together the foundation for a pretty good team just using guys that have been traded for Einar Diaz.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 28, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does the Rancor monster

come along in a deal for Joba? Seriously, Salty for Joba should be done without thinking. The guy is an unbelievable talent, and a proven talent at that. That would almost be a Scott Kazmir-Victor Zambrano type ripoff.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 28, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

.... ok, maybe not that bad

but it would be a great deal for Texas.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 28, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I completely agree.

I’m just responding to the backlash from LSJ’s dubious comments above. I think that would be a no-brainer of a deal, but it’d be stunning if that happened.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 28, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Best case

is to move Laird to the Yanks for a low level arm with upside. I would want Dellin Batances but that isn’t going to happen. More along the lines of RHP Jairo Heredia.

by jparks77 on Apr 28, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

list of available catchers

http://yankees.lhblogs.com/2008/04/28/the-search-for-a-catcher/

Is there anyone on that list better than Laird?

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by RangerMad on Apr 28, 2008 3:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

No, but...

he’s not really much better than some on that list either.

And the thing is, some of those guys can be had for nothing, or next to nothing.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 28, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comment on this blog ...
G. Love April 28th, 2008 at 12:49 pm

You know my vote.

Always, and I mean always, go with the mustache.

That paisan can do a split like a Solid Gold dancer.

by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 28, 2008 7:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laird

Can Laird catch a knuckleball? The Sox have shown interest before, but maybe with the Yankees recent need, their price could come down. Would Texas be interested in Crisp, whom Boston is pushing out the door? Ellsbury is the real deal and should be starting everyday. Cash is not a long term solution and Wakefield probably won’t pitch much longer (probably only 1 or 2 more years as a starter). Why not get Laird, that is if they can’t land Salty?

Peter

http://www.baseballreflections.com

by PeterSchiller on Apr 30, 2008 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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