Heyman on g.m.s on the hot seat
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 3:27 PM CDT
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PrintJon Heyman has a piece up about general managers who are on the hot seat, and Jon Daniels is one of 7 g.m.s listed, although Heyman's comments about Daniels are generally positive...
He does acknowledge that if Nolan Ryan, in his role as team president, opts to lop off some heads over the season's awful start, Ron Washington is more likely to be on the chopping block than Daniels.
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Daniels
has to take some of the blame for this team doing bad, he can’t just fire Washington and call it solved.
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Oops, Miles
he has said he takes responsibility, over and over again.
Why am I responding to Miles, someone shoot me.
That is not me in the photo, so relax.
Saying something
is one thing, doing something is another.
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as JD
ever said that the CY trade was a bad one and he takes full responsibility for that? I’m thinking he never will because he never was the driving force behind that one…
just got ownaged
He did.
He made very vague references to trusting other’s opinions and going against his gut – without mentioning which trade specifically – and said he’d never do it again. Then he said he still takes responsibility for every trade, it was his final decision.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Players play for the coach, not the GM, so obviously this team has its issues
with the coach, not the GM. But its just stupid to think that these guys wouldnt want to play for Wash. He is thought to be very easy going. I wonder if he just comes off as being really dumb, not so baseball “coach” smart.
Daniels does need to take blame for putting this team on the field though. I liked our odds coming in as I do every year, but then, every year I set myself up for major dissapointment.
Current positions that could use a major upgrade- 3rd, SS, 1b, C. Oh well.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
Well, given that our SS currently has a 127 OPS+ ...
we might not need such a big upgrade there.
3B, C?
Are you saying 3B because Blalock is injured or due to Blalock? He has been awesome this year so I don’t know where you get that position from. Plus he is very cost efficient.. And if we start playing Salty everyday like we should at catcher then we shouldn’t need an upgrade there.
upgrade the defense at third, of course I like blalocks offense.
C is a position that could use a boost and hopefully Salts can do that.
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Daniels
I’m willing to give Daniels the benefit of the doubt with this year’s roster at this point. He’s made mistakes in the past, but for nearly the past year or so I’ve been in favor of nearly every move (save probably Broussard). He’s handcuffed by Hicks’s unwillingness to really open his coffers (and the general lack of premium talent on the free market) and has managed to make this team one that should be formidable in the next few years.
To fire Daniels at this point would be ignoring the time horizon for which he’s made nearly all his decisions in the past year-plus. It’s easy to say he’s on the hot seat though since this team has started so poorly, but I don’t know what we really expected out of this team this year.
overeaction
I think there has been a general overreaction to the Rangers losing streak and subsequent meetings. Myself included. It was, however, fun to speculate about all of the possibilities.
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I think if the Rangers
had played a sloppy series and lost two out of three, or got swept again, then Wash would have been out of a job.
Basically, he was on his last legs, and needed that game on Sunday more than anyone else involved.
As it was, the Rangers bought him another week or so. But if the team reverts to its error-happy, head-in-the-clouds ways, Wash is gone.
Daniels...
has until the end of next year, if not longer, in my book.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Well...
Daniels had his chance and he F*cked up. You don’t get multiple chances in the game of Major League Baseball. Produce, or get fired. Its that simple.
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Daniels
has made his mistakes, but no general manager would be able to take a mediocre talent-barren mid market team and make them competitors in the amount of time he’s had
I'm not
one to look back at things but…
Chris Young, John Danks, Agon would make this team alot better…
So its not like he couldn’t have done anything else to make this team better. This team could be a ton better.
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Trading Young and Gonzales was a horrible mistake
But Danks has had exactly 1/6th of a good season as a pro.
Let’s make sure he sticks, or make sure McCarthy doesn’t, before we lump that trade in with those.
Glad you said
GOOD season. The Chi Sox have said it was a detrimental to have him up last year. That year should have been at AAA where Texas would have started him in the first place, if he had been in their system.
"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley
But Washington
was to properly manage a mediocre talent-barren mid-market team and make them competitors in less amount of time? Why the different standards?
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Come on
But Washington was to properly manage a mediocre talent-barren mid-market team and make them competitors in less amount of time? Why the different standards?
Do you really think, should Washington be fired in the next, say, 6 weeks, it is because he didn’t make the team competitors?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 10:37 PM CDT up reply actions
I didn't say that
I was simply repeating venturafearsnolan’s reasons that JD should not be fired, and ikf that is the criteria, then the same reason’s should apply to Wash.
No word-twisting, my friend.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
I'm far from a Daniels defender....
I think I’ve been more critical on him than most.
But Washington gives me the feeling, every time I watch the Rangers play, that he’s way in over his head and has no idea how to manage a team in game situations.
If I got the feeling in my general manager, I’d want him gone too(like, per say, if Ed Wade was the GM).
I disagree
If you think he’s doing a lousy job, you can fire him, even if there hasn’t been enough time for him to make the team competitive.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, then...
Given the context of your question and the limitations of your criteria, and given the constraints put on Washington when he was hired (ie. the inability to hire his own coaches), and if my personal thinking that Daniels has done a lousy job IN PART of his job has any bearing, then i would have to say that Daniels should be fired concurrently with Washington.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
True
but that applies to everyone.
ventura…I’m not saying that Daniels should be fired, and I’m not saying that Washington should be fired, and I’m not criticizing your criteria per se. But I think that the same criteria should be applied to both.
Is that realistic? Probably not. Is it fair? IMO, absolutely.
Does my opinion matter? Not in the least.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
So...
You think Daniels should be fired?
Now, or at the end of the year?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I'm
going to go by the Randy Galloway stance…
If you fire Washington, Daniels better already be gone.
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That wasn't the question
Do you think Daniels should be fired?
And if so, should he be fired now, or wait until season’s end?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Right now...
He has to take the blame, he put this team together…
Who hires a manager and doesn’t let them hire there staff?
Connor and Jaramillo should have been shown the exit.
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Hey miles...
is there anyone on any sports team that you like who you don’t want to be fired?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Not on the
Rangers… This franchise has been a “bandaid it together” team far to long. This franchise needs to have a clean slate.
This team will never succeed in the direction they are going, and its going to take a revamping of the entire organization to start in the right direction.
Is Daniels right for his position? Obviously not.
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You still didn't answer the question
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions
He should
be fired now.
Why wait until the end of the season?
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He has
shown he is not suitable to be a gm. He has been taken advantage of numerous times in trades. He has shown he can’t put together a coaching staff properly.
He does not shown an outlook or vision for this team. He still tries to piece together a “competitor”.
A team is either in a rebuilding process or win mode. He is trying to do both, and it doesn’t work that way.
Bringing in Brousard, people say that Washington wanted him. Well, Daniels is the general manger. He had the final decision.
This is team is the same way he got it, it is stagnet. We need to be in a rebuilding mode, not a “lets try to contend while we rebuild mode.”
It doesn’t work like that.
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Okay
Two questions.
First:
He has been taken advantage of numerous times in trades.
In which trades has he “been taken advantage of”?
He still tries to piece together a "competitor".A team is either in a rebuilding process or win mode. He is trying to do both, and it doesn’t work that way.
I think what you are saying is that he’s not committed fully to rebuilding, or to winning. I think he has been pretty fully committed to rebuilding, at least since the midpoint of last season. What leads you to believe otherwise?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
The
Chris Young/ Agon trade come to mind, as well as the Danks trade.
Those two trades were for “win now”. Adam Eaten wasn’t young, nor was Otsuka.
Danks was 2 years younger? Mccarthey was to come here and help us now(although he is young as well), which Danks couldn’t do.
The point is I can’t tell what he is trying to do..
Still bringing in these 1 year deals. Jennings, trade for Brousard.
I want someone to come in as general manager and have the balls to say “we are committed to build a winner”. ala Tampa Bay.
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Okay
So there are two deals - one of which involves a guy with no injury history who then promptly got hurt as soon as he showed up in Texas - that you believe shows he’s taken advantage of in trades?
And on the Danks/McCarthy trade, do you think it is possible that the Rangers made that trade because they thought McCarthy was going to be a better pitcher than Danks, which sort of invalidates the “that trade was just because they were trying to win now” meme?
And why do you believe bringing in a player on a one year deal is inconsistent with rebuilding? Should the Rangers have simply not signed any vets this offseason - not Jennings, not Broussard, not Bradley - and just found 6 year minor league free agents to fill out the roster?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions
I think it's safe to say
they shouldn’t have signed Jennings or Broussard, but only because they’ve been awful
Well,
Adam Eaton was what, 27 or 28? Otsuka was like 29? Those players aren’t exactly building blocks for the future, they were to help this team now and the next couple of years.
Eaten had blister problems before he got here.
Now they have two huge building blocks, Chris Young and Agon who are both huge parts of their teams.
Why sign Brousard when they wanted to see what Botts had?
Now what we have is a problem. These veterens blocking guys from AAA from coming up and growing.
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I'm confused
Why are you talking about Eaton and Otsuka’s ages? They were trying to win in 2006, not rebuild. They didn’t start trying to rebuild until the middle of 2007.
Broussard was signed because the Rangers didn’t think Botts’ back could handle playing 1B regularly.
And who is in AAA that should be coming up and growing, but isn’t because of veterans?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
They
were trying to compete in 2006, that is the problem right there.
Did Daniels look at that team and see success to be had? Because of that mishap, we lost two franchise players.
So he will risk the future to try to compete with a mediocre team?
Seams like he can’t evaluate what direction to go in.
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How much of the blame
lies at Tom Hicks thinking we’re a competitor?
I firmly believe he is the worst problem with the Rangers and would be the first I would replace(if I had almighty powers and what not)
+1
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 29, 2008 12:31 AM CDT up reply actions
That true..
But they win.
His method has worked.
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They win?
What is the team’s record since, say, 1997?
How many playoff games have they won since then?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah...
With the team Jimmy Johnson built.
Once Jimmy Johnson was fired, and his team started trickling away, Jones hasn’t done jack.
Jones the owner would be a hell of a lot better if he’d fire Jones the g.m.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions
And if they
win the Super Bowl in the next couple of years it’ll be because of the team Parcells built, right?
Take a flamethrower to them all
My proposal:
Fire all of the Dallas GM’s:
Donnie Nelson, Jerry Jones, and Jon Daniels.
Deal?
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
I like Donnie
He just has run a distant third to Cuban and Avery in the decision making process the last couple of years.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions
And why
would you say that?
Should Donnie be fired now?
Should Avery go first?
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
Because...
...from what I have heard/read, Donnie has been marginalized, while Avery’s influence with Cuban (who is about as hands-on as any owner in the league, in terms of on the court matters) has waxed.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions
You know what...
I’d probably do that, if only to get rid of Jerry.
The only problem is, if we get rid of Donnie, Cuban will probably name himself g.m.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions
My God
I hadn’t thought of that.
And if we fire Jon Daniels, Hicks will probably name himself GM of the Rangers! Yikes!
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
I don't like Cuban
You’ve probably noticed.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 28, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions
Ya know, Adam
I thought about you saying that you don’t like Cuban, and I have no argument with your opinion. I kind of like Cuban and Jones now…I didn’t like either at certain times…primarily because they seem to be truly passionate about their respective teams and winning…and they put their money where their mouth is.
I don’t like Hicks for the opposite reasons:
I don’t think he is passionate at all about the Rangers, and he has only lame excuses in his mouth, and certainly not his money.
Perhaps that’s why any moves he makes is suspect to me…with the Rangers.
The Stars fans don’t seem to give him the same latitude…they know their sport, and they’ll call him on his BS. They quit showing up to games, and forced his hand.
The Rangers fans simply don’t give him concrete heat…they whine, but they keep showing up. He is an opportunistic con-man when it comes to the Rangers, and most of my frustration comes from those who let him get away with it.
Bring on the firing squad, but in my world, that means letting his lackeys tell you that everything will be OK in 2010, or 2011, or 2012…and you buying into it.
I understand baseball more than is popularly thought around here…so I know that the maturation process of players is slower than other sports… but it doesn’t have to be this way.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
Why the cutoff?
He bought the team in late 80’s, right?
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Haha,
I was going to post a diary but I would get introuble..
I was laughing so hard after that game.
The Celtics sure look good, don’t they?
HAHAHA, the Hawks?
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Joe Johnson
is a beast, he is a top 4 shooting guard in this league.
Celtics looked like they didn’t know what they were doing out there.
They are overrated.
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arguing with yourself?
Danks, Volquez, Galarraga and Young are GONE! GET OVER IT! Endless whining will not bring them back!
by LBBRangerFan on Apr 29, 2008 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions
LOL
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
by LAMuscleFag on Apr 29, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Tom Hicks
I think the best thing for the Rangers is what is happening in Dallas with the Stars right now. I truly believe that the reason the Rangers went into their nosedive after seemingly being set to churn out successful baseball at the end of the 90’s was the Stars winning the Stanley Cup. Reason is because Hicks practically bought his title in hockey. Frankly I am too lazy to look up the numbers but I’m pretty confident the Stars had one of the highest payrolls during their Cup run. Hicks believed that would translate to baseball. So what did he do, he went out and spent wildly. ARod, CHP, Todd Van Poppel, etc. He replaced Doug Melvin, who while not having the best track record with young pitchers had developed a very nice core of young positional prospects, with John Hart. So for the next several years he always thought we were that “one player away”. It was the same way with the Stars. The Bill Guerins and Jason Arnotts and such he would bring in because they were the best players available but he neglected the young guys. It still got him to the playoffs but we all saw they couldn’t make it out of the first round.
Now look at the Stars. They have an infusion of youth. Three rookie defensemen, which if you want to translate that to baseball would be like three rookie pitchers. They have identified their young forwards and locked them up long term, Ribiero and Morrow. This year seeing how they were going they went out and traded for another young forward with a big contract in Richards. Add in season vets like Modano, Zubov, Barnes, etc and they are arguably the hottest team in hockey right now.
Now lets look at the Rangers. Two years ago he hired a young GM who would give the farm system the attention it needed. During last season he committed to a full rebuild. Now looking toward the next few years the Rangers will have several young pitchers breaking into their rotation(Hurley, Harrison, McCarthy, Gabbard), they are identifying their young positional players and locking them up(Kinsler this season, Hamilton probably after this season, Salty and Murphy in the next couple years), they have a handful of veterans to sprinkle in there(Millwood, Young, Blalock, Bradley, etc), and when they find themselves in the hunt they can go out and acquire that big name guy to put them over the top.
Don't forget
that the turnaround came about immediately upon the hiring of an ex-hockey player as co-GM that knows the game from the inside, knows the required mentality of the players that you put on the ice, knows how to communicate with the players on a peer-level, and knows the “major-league” game.
It worked.
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