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T.R. Sullivan mailbag

T.R. Sullivan has a new mailbag column up...

Someone, at least, is getting pretty impatient with Joaquin Benoit pretty quick...

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Pretty boring mailbag

Nothing in there that tells you anything you didn’t know, and nothing in there rediculous enough to make fun of.

Yawn

I’m gonna go back to surfing YouTube.

by LSJ on Apr 28, 2008 8:22 PM CDT reply actions  

+1

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 29, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions  

At least

TR doesn’t put up with any bullshit. Case in point:

I am really upset at the lack of production at first base so far this season, with Broussard and Botts both fielding and hitting. We had Carlos Pena, Travis Hafner, Adrian Gonzalez and Mark Teixeira at one time. Why are we struggling?
—Jack B., Fairfax, Va.

Because Pena, Hafner, Gonzalez and Teixeira are no longer here.

How ‘bout that for a fuck you

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 28, 2008 8:44 PM CDT reply actions  

whats up with hafner anyway

while I would have taken his 07 for the rangers, it was a huge dropoff and he is off to a really bad 08 too. not broussard bad, but bad.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DShep on Apr 28, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

He could have thrown in the comment “and because Chris Davis isn’t here yet”

by iblum on Apr 29, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sullivan

was pretty short with several of his answers. He seems to be just as disgusted with this team as everyone else.

by snatch attack on Apr 28, 2008 9:13 PM CDT reply actions  

not much more to say

other than, “we suck, deal with it.”

by SteveP on Apr 29, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

TR with the correct opinion

“I have no problem with that. Better to use your best lineup on that particular night rather than worrying about the repercussions of losing the DH if he has to play the field. The vast majority of catchers get through a game without any physical problems. “

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DShep on Apr 28, 2008 9:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, DHing Gerald Laird that night was a stupid move

But that’s because it’s Gerald Laird. TR is correct in principle, though.

by LSJ on Apr 28, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions  

dont believe i was a big fan of dhing laird heh

speaking to salty arguments.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DShep on Apr 28, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

DHing a Catcher

...makes sense when you have a Pudge Rodriguez like the Tigers. Does not make any sense, ever, to DH Gerry Laird and his .150 BA, ever. Stupid, stupid move.

by FuturePants on Apr 29, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Pudge

is hitting .258/.309/.393 OPS+ 90 this season. Laird is hitting .269/.329/.372 OPS+92 this season.

by jparks77 on Apr 29, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'll give Mr. Pants the benefit of the doubt

and hope that he meant Pudge in his heyday.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions  

irregardless

Neither Pudge nor Laird should be dh’ing at this point in their careers. Not with Botts and Cat all needing PA’s, and Bradley with sore hammy’s and with the occasional off-day for Young or Kinsler to keep them from getting hurt.

by iblum on Apr 29, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions  

I'd still rather see Shelton up in case of emergency

But I have no idea what that would do to the 40-man, etc. Would we reasonably have to drop someone, say, Mench or Broussard, for Shelton to come up? (Mench is on the 40, yes? I know pitifully little about who’s on what roster.)

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 28, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

id want shelton up regardless

he probably sucks, but im not sure.

i know ben broussard sucks.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DShep on Apr 28, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh I'd be all for dropping Broussard.

Just doesn’t seem particularly likely, as long as Wash is still here.

And Shelton’s hitting .354/.429/.625 in 48 Oklahoma ABs, for what it’s worth

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 28, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

well

there is absolutely no reason to have broussard and shelton on the 25 so DFA’ng broussard would nto be a big deal. he’d probably clear waivers anyway although he might not accept an assignment

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 28, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Laird

I know I might offend the Laird haters here, but he’s not playing terrible. He’s hitting .269, which is effective for a catcher. He’s got 2 HR’s, the ML leader in HR’s by a catcher is 5, McCann. He’s got 11 RBI’s, which is 9th in the ML amonst catchers. He’s scored 9 runs, 8th among ML catchers. So, really he is top 10/15 in three run producing categories for ML catchers. Plus, his caught stealing % is pretty high. I know, I would rather see Salty play also, but Laird bashing is a bit over the top.

by Arlington Stadium Legend on Apr 28, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions  

I know I shouldn't respond

Because people hate me for saying Laird shouldn’t play over Salty… but I can’t resist.

I will, however, condense my thoughts:

Sample size!

Take out the April 6th game and what do you have?

.676 career OPS.

by LSJ on Apr 28, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

No

But he’s not any better, either (offensively, that is).

by LSJ on Apr 28, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if he's below average

which no one doubts…

he’s still better than absolutely horrible.

by vfn on Apr 28, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Finally a voice of reason (other than Adam)

I’d rather see Salty, too, but Laird is a serviceable catcher, and needs playing time, even if (or especially if) his ultimate value to this team is getting traded.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 28, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

If this season is going in the tank...

ah, hell, who am I kidding… it’s already there. Anyways, since this season is in the toilet already, I hope we can trade Laird and get some arms in return. Scott Miller of sportsline is musing that Posada might have season-ending surgery. That should make the Rangers a player for a trade. As many have noted and I agree, I can’t imagine the Yankees relying on their pair of shitty backups.

Thus, let’s ride Laird until hopefully a trade can be made and toss Mr. Salt head-first into the MLB deep end, see if he can swim. That is, of course, unless Salt could bring a king’s ransom in return and management thinks either MaxRam or Tea could be the catcher of the future… in which case Lump could remain serviceable until those guys get their sea legs.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 28, 2008 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Why

would NYY trade anything of consequence for Laird:

Molina 45 PAs = 86 OPS+
Laird 87 PAs = 92 OPS+

Molina 0.064 PBs+WPs/Inning & 42% CS
Laird 0.039 PBs+WPs/Inning & 29% CS

NYY has Posada signed long term and Molina signed through 2009. Between the fact that there’s not a large difference between Molina and Laird and that they would have to eat Molina’s $2mm contract next year, I doubt they would be willing to give up more than what I believe Laird is worth as the backup catcher on this team.

by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 28, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yep,

Laird would just be a backup/platoon partner to Molina. He is not so vastly superior that he would push Molina to the bench.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 29, 2008 6:14 AM CDT up reply actions  

which makes you wonder

if laird isn’t even a good option when a catcher gets injured, how many places can laird really go?

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 29, 2008 7:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

I think the only way to get much for him

was to trade him in the offseason as a starter. He has limited if any value as a midseason replacement. He isn’t going to give a team a big shot in the arm for a playoff run. You might have been able to convince some sucker he was their catcher of the future.

Unfortunately, the more you play Laird, the less value he seems to have.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 29, 2008 8:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lump's career numbers

are up from Molina’s, albeit not too much. I think Lump is a plus defensive player. Molina has sucked so far, so if Cashman is feeling the heat for an immediate fix, maybe he goes Lump. Who knows. The Lump is definitely not helping his cause this year to be a starting catcher though.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 29, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Lumpy

does a good job throwing out runners in his career. I haven’t seen anything in watching him play that tells me he is good at blocking or framing pitches.

I think Lumpy is in that grab bag of bad starting/decent backup catchers where you could pick any of a dozen catchers out and get roughly the same performance. While I acknowledge that some bad catchers have been traded for way too much, it always seems to be during the offseason.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 29, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

You know

Reading Jamey’s report this morning, he mentions a few prospects from NY we could possibly get in return. Among them was Brett Gardner. Goddamn, I really hope 1. He never comes to Texas and 2. He never makes it to the Majors.

by brettgardner on Apr 29, 2008 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I really hope a Laird trade is coming soon, but like you said, if someone wants to give up a lot for Salty, I wouldn’t be opposed to it.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 28, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'll admit...

Laird has been better than I thought he would be offensively, so far.

I hope he keeps it up and continues to prove me wrong. As long as he’s a Ranger.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 28, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

if you can.....

get some good starting pitching for Salty say Ian Kennedy or maybe a Salty and Jack for P.Hughes (i’m dreaming) lets get the deal done catchers are very expendable in our system now and Salty’s value is as high now as it will be for a while…. before his arm gets exposed on a major league level and his bat does to.

by blueballlefty on Apr 28, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

i dont think there are that many people saying hes playing terribly

theres a difference between thinking someone is terrible and preferring someone else play.

i dont think laird has been terrible, i just think salty would be better, and in a dead season might as well be playing. and of course, hes up now. we will see how the at bats play out.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DShep on Apr 28, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

It was just another dumb JD move bringing Salty up

“At some point, the Rangers have to make a decision at the position. But it hasn’t reached that point yet, and Laird has hardly deserved to lose his job. I would rank him far down the list of reasons why the Rangers have started poorly.”

So, he gets punished for playing well, if I were Laird, I would be praying to get traded.

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 29, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm also

praying he will be traded.

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 29, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

Face of the Franchise could become

Right now on San Diego TV, they show commericals with Peavy, C. Young and A. Gonzalez, they could add in Laird…

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 29, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bard for Laird even up

Then you would have a TRUE back-up catcher.

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 29, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bard's

A Tech guy, so that’d be mildly amusing, but they both suck. Laird better get a lot more than that, though.

by brettgardner on Apr 29, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Playing 50% or less his value only goes down <<<

This could be the peak right now of the Laird pyramid theorem. Nobody knows yet if Salty will hit or not, but at 50% his value won’t move much either.

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 29, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Off topic

A while back CJ was on the board and mentioned the website where he purchased his titanium necklace. Does anyone remember what the site was?

The Eagle has landed....

by Lonerangers on Apr 28, 2008 11:01 PM CDT reply actions  

More on Shelton

His average season (.281/.348/.477) is pretty comparable to Broussard’s best season (.289/.370/.488) and he hits lefties (.269/.363/.420) at a significantly better clip than Ben (.225/.288/.393) in his career. I know no one here needs convincing, but the lefty splits alone are enough to earn him the job in my book, given our lefty-heavy lineup.

I was never really sure why Broussard was the unquestioned starter when we signed him, and now it’s pretty clear he doesn’t deserve to be.

by MeanMr.Mustard on Apr 28, 2008 11:43 PM CDT reply actions  

Umm...

First, let me say that I agree that we should have gone with Shelton.

But, your argument for as to why we should have gone with Shelton holds little weight. His “average season” is only two incomplete seasons amounting to a total of 800 at bats. It gets even more confusing when you look at the stats closer.

For instance, Chris Shelton’s monthly splits are ridiculous. For instance, he has a 1.116 OPS in March/April (2006) with 10 of his 35 career home runs coming in this one month alone. Compare that with his .214 BA and .724 OPS in his two Augusts. These two numbers are rather indicative of his first and second half splits. In the first half he has put up an .878 OPS, but only a .755 OPS in the second half. Furthermore, Shelton has a total of 219 ABs against lefties…that’s not very many and definitely not enough for one to say “his lefty splits along are enough to earn him the job.”

Realistically, if you remove that one very good April from Shelton’s career his stats look much worse than Broussard. Especially when you look at the splits, you notice that despite having nearly three times as many major league at bats, Broussard is much more consistent. He’s decent against righties .797, and terrible against lefties…really, really terrible. Still, he’s more consistent.

So I don’t disagree with your point, but I do disagree with your argument. I would make the case based on money, age and potential (although neither have much potential).

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 29, 2008 8:22 AM CDT up reply actions  

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