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Shelton Purchased, Botts DFAed

Per Evan Grant:

The Rangers this afternoon, perhaps momentarily, will announce that Jason Botts has been designated for assignment and that Chris Shelton's contract will be purchased. The club is desperate for another productive right-handed bat in the lineup and Botts simply hasn't taken advantage of whatever limited opportunities he's been given. He is hitting .158 in 38 at-bats. The move will give the Rangers 10 days to trade, release or outright Botts to Triple-A. If he clears waivers, the Rangers absolutely want to keep him in the system, but with the season hanging on the edge of a cliff, the Rangers need somebody with a little bit of a track record of big league success against right-handers. I don't know if Shelton will play every day at first, but I'm pretty certain that at the very least, but it won't surprise me.

Brandon Boggs is expected to be called up to replace Hank Blalock, but to get Shelton on the roster, the Rangers had to take somebody off the 40-man roster. It appears, Botts is the guy. His career with the Rangers, which began in 2000 as a 46th round draft choice, is now more in limbo than ever before.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/04/jason-botts-has-been-dfad.html

 

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Dumb, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb

Dumb, Dumb…

Happy Birthday Minnesota, or KC, or whoever else could use a switch hitting DH-type.

by Topgun22 on Apr 29, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He'll get claimed

just like Tejeda and Cruz.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 29, 2008 3:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

So a team with Frank Thomas, Mike Sweeney, Jack Cust and Daric Barton already on the roster is going to add Jason Botts?

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Not?

Botts is a serviceable OFer, their corner OFer are terrible.

by Topgun22 on Apr 29, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright

Let’s look at their corner outfielders

Emil Brown – decent major league track record who currently has a 118 OPS + and is currently their 3 hole hitter.
Do you want Botts over him?

Jack Cust – The man that Botts hopes to be one day.
Do you really think that they are going to take Botts over him?

If you don’t want to replace either of them, then he sits on the bench and now your fourth outfielder isn’t a good defender and can’t play center.

No way

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In what universe

is Botts a serviceable OFer?

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 29, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Mexican one

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 29, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that the one

where Ruben Sierra was a serviceable OF when he could no longer move?

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 29, 2008 4:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm

I think he’s still in the Mexican League..seriously.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 29, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And probably still serviceable

by their standards.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 29, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing!!!

Well played sir!

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 29, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Genius!

Love it.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 29, 2008 7:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure

Minnesota and KC are jumping for joy right now. A DH only with a career line of .230/.325/.344 without much power potential who has to be put on your ML roster is available. I’m sure that Billy Butler feels very threatened that his job is on the line.

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Without Much Power Potential"

Please tell me you weren’t serious about that?

by Topgun22 on Apr 29, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

He’s a 6’6, 250 pound DH only that doesn’t hit many home runs. 1 every 27 at bats in the minor leagues when he was usually old for his league. 1 every 54 at bats in the major leagues.

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

WTF????

This is BS. I am freaking outraged. Should have DFAed BB.

I am going to go all Miles on someone.

by coolaid on Apr 29, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You're going to

throw out a bunch of nonsensical predictions with horrible grammar and spelling?

by Brett Perryman on Apr 29, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh

that made me laugh out loud.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree, I would have DFA'd Brouskie before Botts

But Ben has a “proven track record”, and Botts does not. I’m afraid Jason is just another victim of the org’s unlwillinigness to finish what they start.

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hasn't started yet
another victim of the org’s unlwillinigness to finish what they start.

The rebuilding process hasn’t really started yet.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 29, 2008 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guess ill repeat comments in this one.

repeat my comments in this one.

basically… i would rather have DFA’d broussard or various others, but Botts needed to show something, even in 50-100 at bats at a time, and he hasn’t. Id rather look at botts/shelton and DFA broussard, but im not going to get that upset over botts anymore as long as its not broussard getting at bats vs lefties.

Shelton has a better minor and major league track record than botts and is only a month older, and combine that with his emergency catcher ability that makes it even easier to use salty as a DH or pinch hitter when hes not catching. I like having shelton up and think the swap is fine for the team. Neither are long term solutions though.

Botts wont be picked up. Hopefully when broussard continues this debacle of a season he will be released and botts will get another 200+ at bats as a final chance.

So uh yeah.. my preference would be botts/shelton splitting time and broussard gone, but its not that big of a deal.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 29, 2008 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

IF WE ARE.

going by minor league track records then Gold should have gotten this call up!!!

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

uh, false?

he has the worst career stats of them all and is doing very meh so far this year. i dont know why you would bring up gold.

Not to mention shelton isnt a big swing and miss guy that has more trouble adjust to the majors at times. his apporach is more likely to translate, which has been reflected in his time so far. He hasnt lit it up but hes at least been able to put together some runs.

Shelton’s minor league #s wernt great last year, so if you want to isolate 2007 i suppose shelton loses the minor league argument. But if you look at his run coming up to breaking into the mlb he has some really really good seasons when he was age appropriate to his league. He didnt need to take a year to adjust.

Even with the kind of cooled off 2007 i still put more stock into a play having success consistently at a young age then botts becoming a true masher as he repeated AAA again. and of course shelton has done well so far this year in the minors anyway.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 29, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

look at the last

two years and tell me again shelton has better numbers than Gold. i’m sorry your right shelton prob. had better #’s 4 years ago.

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like how I bring up last years numbers

and address them properly, and then you try to counter my post by saying look at last years numbers.

honestly i question if you even know who shelton is.

and besides, i said minor league AND major league track records.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 29, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

last year

Gold: .292/.347/.516 26HR and 103 rbi
Shelton:.269/.348/.417 14hr and 65rbi oh yeah and 141 Strike outs in less than 500 AB’s

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you kidding me?

Im the one that brought 2007 up. I SAID if you isolate 2007 gold was better. I already acknowledged it twice and made a counter argument. What on earth is posting it supposed to mean to me?

other than that admittedly he struck out more than i thought he did.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 29, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and besides

this is as pointless as it gets, gold isnt even on the major league radar as anything but an injury replacement if everything collapses.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 29, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand that

my only arguement is that guys like Gold who have 4 straight years of 20 or more HR’s in the minors should be getting a look in a rebuilding phase way before 30 something year olds on a bad one year contract.

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i believe i said i wanted to dfa broussard.

shelton is around a month younger than gold and a month older than botts.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Apr 29, 2008 5:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think

we ultimately agree that there are a lot better moves this team could be making all over the place.

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gold's 20+ HR seasons

Age 24 at A+
Age 25 at A+
Age 26 at AA
Age 27 at AAA

He has been old for his league at every stop and is not considered a major league prospect.

by jparks77 on Apr 29, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gold

has a minor league track record that points to an average, unexceptional player.

by jparks77 on Apr 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wouldnt mind one of those around here these days

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you left out

the word ‘below’ right before average.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

like

40 HR’s and 200+ rbi the last two seasons is pretty mediocre

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and Botts

has a major league track record that points to a below average, unexceptional player

by JBImaknee on Apr 29, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

IDIOTSSs

this is fucking rediculous how can i root for this pathetic franchise, every year i buy season tix or game packages and feel like a huge f’ing sucker by MAY. i know Botts hasn’t been hot but since he has had time to play he has been servicable a lot more frigging servicable than that fraud BennyB(who I wanted) this makes no baseball since at all I hope Botts gets claimed by somebody and makes frigging ivy league fraud P.O.S GM eat it every time we play them. who’s next in a rebuilding year that we are suppose to be finding out what we have we DFA Tejeda, Gallaraga, Cruz and Botts and keep Guardado,Broussard, and sign Kaz Fukup(hes 31) great job J.D. Way to see what you got I know these guys haven’t proven anything yet but there upside is so much more than a bunch of 30 something topped out stop gaps. I need to find a national league team to root for.

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 4:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

NL Team

How about Pittsburgh?

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 29, 2008 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was thinking more like the

REDS love me some Volquez and there young guys are actually materalizing

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

good

bye

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 29, 2008 4:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

we are apparently rebuilding. The thing that pisses me off is watching all these young former rangers do well with other teams. Through trades or releases. JD wake up galarraga for hernandez who we released in spring training come on. But we do have sidney ponson hes our savior.

by mai on Apr 29, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Tigres de Quintana Roo ?

Perfect vacation! Cruz and Botts while on the beach!

by phanhandlecholo on Apr 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

botts over broussard

as bad as broussard has been, there really is nothing to suggest that botts in any way is a better player, offensively or defensively. and there actually is enough to suggest that shelton is better than botts, especially when it comes to hitting lefthanders.

i don’t like that this move was done after 2 weeks of “regular” playing time, especially since they probably went to rudy and he a gave a definitive declaration like “he’ll never be good.” But if you had to make a move, i think this is the right one.

I don’t think Botts gets picked up either but I’m not so sure of it.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 29, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

There may be nothing to suggest Botts is better than BB

...but isn’t that kinda the whole point of giving Botts a look at the MLB level? We know exactly what Mench, Broussard, Shelton et al can do. We have no clue what Botts can do. Giving him 38 at bats doesn’t tell us dick, and this is a stupid stupid stupid move.

by FuturePants on Apr 29, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One implication.

Shelton gives the club a 3rd catcher. We’ll see Salty more at DH now.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

and i had been thinking about that every since someone brought it up earlier. probably an impetus for doing this. i hate the idea of playing both your catchers at the same time

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 29, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe there is

a smart move at the end of the tunnel. one so cool and so smart that Hicks/Daniels have thought up that none of us regular folk would ever be able to think it up. maybe they have a little wizard in the closet and it will come out and slap us in the face with its magic wand and we will be all better

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everybody Listen Up

Its now Ryan/Daniels. Nolan is now on the clock and he should graded to the same standards as all his predecessors. Anything stupid done in Rangerville this year goes on Nolan’s record as well.
(At least until the Young/AG trade is placed almost exclusively on Buck’s plate as it should be.)

by mcgee48c on Apr 30, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and about Botts

it’s his own fault for not making this decision harder. It would not have been difficult to outclass Broussard this month, but he really didn’t do it.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and as JD said,

no more scholarships. I guess I turned on Botts at some point in the last couple weeks because I used to be a big supporter. Shit or get off the pot, Mr. Cruz, Mr. Botts. Unfortunately, they seem to be content (probably for payroll or potential future trade value) to let Mr. Broussard shit all over the field.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1000000

you’re my boy blue!..........avatar alone gets the shoutout, but on top of best post of the year

“let Mr. Broussard shit all over the field”

by slash on Apr 30, 2008 3:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah...

That’s true, it opens up that option. But Milton Bradley is still gonna hog the vast majority of the DH AB’s for now, because with Blalock out, you can’t take his bat out ot the lineup, and with his fragile pysical condition, you can’t put him in the field, either. So I’m not sure Salty’s gonna get that much time at DH, either way.

I’m not saying calling up Shelton to open up that possibility was a bad thing though, I agree with his callup – I just would have DFA’d Broussard instead of Botts.

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Zing - Botts takes a shot at the Rangers

From Texas Rangers Blog

Richard Durrett

Jason Botts is disappointed that he’s been DFA’d and is ready to move on. Some of his comments:

“I think I’ve been here for a pretty long time and I deserve a fresh start somewhere else. It’s not the most negative thing to me right now that this has happened. I’m excited about it.”

Asked if he thinks he’ll get back to the majors?

“I don’t know. I think there’s plenty of examples of people leaving the Texas Rangers and going on to really great things. There could be something huge in my future. Kind of an exciting moment.”

Danks, Volquez, Galarraga and Young are GONE! GET OVER IT! Endless whining will not bring them back!

by LBBRangerFan on Apr 29, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That was my reaction as well.

If he does slide through, it will be an interesting stint in OKC.

Danks, Volquez, Galarraga and Young are GONE! GET OVER IT! Endless whining will not bring them back!

by LBBRangerFan on Apr 29, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

All the "it'll be just like Hafner again" comps

have been going to his head.

Honestly, I think that he’s had so many people whining that he isn’t getting to play everyday he forgot that he should make the best of his opportunity as the 25th man and earn his spot the hard way.

by JBImaknee on Apr 29, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think it's a zing...

People are writing him off now that he is DFA’d and he is saying just because he’s on waivers it doesn’t mean his career is over. There have been other players that Texas thought weren’t good enough but went on to have good careers and he hopes he does the same.

My problem with it (other than being a Jason fan) is that the Rangers claim its about rebuilding and giving the guys a chance. However, less than a month into the season, after not giving him any consistent playing time, they are saying sayanarah (sp?). If it’s not about this season (as they keep saying) then why the knee jerk reaction? What’s next? Kasey Kiker and Michael Main to the A’s for Frank Thomas? Pick a theory and stay with it. The fans may not like it, but at least they may respect you for it…

http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers

For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)

by Beverly23 on Apr 29, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sayonara

Very close. And Jason is 28, has been in the system quite a while. I have thought since the trade with MKE I’d like Nelson Cruz every day in RF in Arlington, but he’s the same age (albeit fewer baseball years) and has twice been passed over. Lots of people saw high potential in Botts. And although I never did, it’s also true he didn’t get an extended first chance, or an extended second chance. Further, I’m in no position to second guess personnel decisions. Good luck to Jason, cleared and in the system or wherever he goes.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Apr 29, 2008 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and by fans

you are not talking about yourself at all.

i understand the objective viewpoint and everything but I think, as a Rangers fan, I’m fine with the move.

he was DFA’d for someone who is a month older than him and can actually play a couple different positions. and he’ll probably clear.

i don’t know, there’s something about a non Ranger fan fanning the flames that irritates me

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 29, 2008 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I'm not...

As you know, I am not a Rangers fan. However, I’d be willing to bet my opinion matters as much, if not more, to the Rangers as yours does since I show them the money (in the form of full season tickets).

I’m not necessarily saying you should have a problem with Jason being DFA’d (though I obviously do). I do think you should have a problem with your team talking out of both sides of its mouth though…this is just one more instance where the Rangers go against their alleged policy.

http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers

For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)

by Beverly23 on Apr 29, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe

Botts isn’t part of their rebuilding plan. Ever think about that? If he isn’t then there is no reason to keep him around either.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe he's not...

However, if they are saying that now, after 38 ABs, he is no longer part of their future based on his performance in those 38 ABs it’s symptomatic of a bigger problem…

I’m not trying to argue that Jason shouldn’t have been DFA’d (I don’t think he should have, but I can almost understand why they did it once they decided to go with Shelton). However, if I were a Rangers fan I would be worried that my team was so quick to knee jerk…I remember Doug Davis saying that all the pitchers were so nervous when they got called up because if they knew they had a bad game they were going right back down. To me, this move sends the same message.

http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers

For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)

by Beverly23 on Apr 29, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its more than 38ABs

He couldn’t beat out a 38 year old street free agent who hadn’t played baseball in over a year last year. Then when handed playing time for two months straight he did nothing with it. He probably shouldn’t have been given 38 ABs this year. He has been in the system long enough there is a pretty good chance we know all we will know about the guy.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right

since everyone can put up a .372 OBP over a month.

Don’t be dense.

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 29, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good one

How about stop apologizing for a 28 year old who can’t hit a fastball, can’t play in the field, and thinks he should be handed everything on a silver platter.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

328 ABs

you’re off by about a factor of 10.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 29, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's MLB

That’s the nature of the business. You perform or you get sent down. That’s every organization.

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 6:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

DFAing Botts for Shelton is equivalent to trading Kiker and Main for Thomas.

I don’t like this move, don’t agree with it at all, but there’s no need to oversell the case.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 29, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

Thomas? Who are you talking about

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Read the concentrated

idiocy Adam was responding to.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 29, 2008 5:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahh

I get lost sometimes in these long conversations.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hyberpole...

I chose the most dramatic example I could think of. I admit I overstated the argument, but the point remains, the Rangers are once again in knee jerk mode…

http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers

For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)

by Beverly23 on Apr 29, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's a difference

between hyperbole and idiocy. What you did was the latter.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 29, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

*yawn*

Why is it that some of the posters on this site go for personal attacks when they know another poster makes a point they don’t agree with?

Let me say what you meant to say….good use of hyperbole…what the RANGERS did was idiocy….

http://www.mvn.com/milb-rangers

For old times sake...C'mon Kelly! :-)

by Beverly23 on Apr 29, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you don't want to be called an idiot

by all means stop saying idiotic things. Really? Making a move to improve roster flexibility so a 23 year old franchise catcher can play is the same as making a move for a redundant DH and giving up two top prospects while we’re at it. This is beyond apples and oranges, this is like comparing Red Sox fans with decent, intelligent human beings.

I’m glad you like Jason Botts. Congratulations. I’m sure a lot of us would like him more if he could consistant catch up to a 91 MPH fastball.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 29, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i like jason botts a lot

but to suggest that DFA’ng him is symptomatic of a rangers management failing is just wrong.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it means they have no clue how to rebuild...

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It means..

Jason Botts isn’t a young player that you rebuild with

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

Yeah that must be it.

by slimshadty12 on May 18, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that could be the kiss of death....

if noone else picks him up.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 29, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy

Not that I wanted Botts to fail (I wanted him to do well), but given that he has been quite simply BAD while in Texas, I can’t blame them for DFA’ing him.

But I will be happy to not have to hear people whining about him not getting playing time. He’s a guy who cannot field and cannot hit. He got his fair shot

by JBImaknee on Apr 29, 2008 5:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh noes!

We let go someone who cant play defense and is only held on for his hitting skills, which he did not seem to have?

So we DFA’d someone who could not field and could not hit? Damn, what a terrible organization. Everybody should be fired.

by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 29, 2008 5:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

this from

a salty fan who coincidently is bad at defense and hasn’t hit at this level yet.

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So are you infering

That we should of gotten rid of KING SALT?

Choose your next words carefully, they could be your last.

by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 29, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not at all

he has too much trade value, do think we should have gotten rid of BB

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not at all

he has too much trade value, do you think we should have gotten rid of JJ

by slash on Apr 30, 2008 3:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um,

Salty is 5 years younger and has hit better than Botts. And his defense is better than Botts at a premium position.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 29, 2008 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm disappointed

I also think he’ll clear waivers.

by Adam J. Morris on Apr 29, 2008 5:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Everybody else has made it through so far, even Cruz. That tells ya something. I bet Botts does, too, unless JD trades him before he goes on waivers.

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

I agree. I think he’ll clear waivers. Unfortunately, he likely won’t come back up this year until the second half of the season, and we will enter 2009 still not knowing if he can be part of the team’s future. Wash and now, apparently, JD are making decisions with their immediate futures in mind instead of the good of the club.

Cruz and Botts should be playing everyday for the Rangers. Sure, they might never hit at this level, but if they do, you have cheap, middle of the order hitters for the foreseeable future.

--Brian

by BCanfield on Apr 29, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heres an idea

They have already determined that both Botts and Cruz are not in their future plans. Wild I know but maybe they have scene even more nothing form them and have determined they are no more than AAA hall of famers

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 7:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

if

botts was so terrible and we knew it for so lon g, how’d he make the 25 man out of ST?

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 7:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who else?

We weren’t exactly DFAing hall of famers to keep him.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 7:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How?

How could they have determined that Botts is not in their plans from the end of Spring Training until now? Are they making a decision based upon 38 at bats spread out over a month? At the end of Spring Training, they decided to keep him on the 25, and now they DFA him. It is absolutely impossible to learn anything about a player in 38 sporadic at bats.

Joe Sheehan had an excellent article at BP a few weeks into the season. He made the point that you can’t make any judgements on players this early in the season, but you can learn a lot about the front office/managers by how they react to this early part of the season. I think we are learning a lot about our GM/manager/owner. I’m actually one of the persons that has supported JD, but this falling off of the rebuilding wagon is ridiculous.

--Brian

by BCanfield on Apr 30, 2008 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh well

he’s had ample opportunity to prove himself, and he never does. it’s time to stop the community man-crush on jason botts, he’s never had the numbers to back-up the hype.

by acgunter on Apr 29, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Its not a huge deal. He never showed more than a AAAA player so whats everyone freaking out about. Sure maybe he could have and will turn into a servicable player, but I doubt it. What team wants a player with his M.L. track record who cant play any defensive position. Relax people, its not like they DFA’d somebody who has been productive.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on Apr 29, 2008 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSB roster update?

Geez.. this thing broke like hours ago.. how long does it take to get it updated?

by mattrpav on Apr 29, 2008 5:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Track Record

Maybe Botts should have gotten some playing time at the very beginning of the season to show us if he could establish a track record. How does that conundrum go? “You need experience to get a job but you have to get a job to get experience?” Something like that…

by manderskat on Apr 29, 2008 5:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Very few major league players

are handed a job and told “You have 500 at bats, show us what you’ve got”.

Most guys have to prove they deserve to be in the lineup every day or in the field. David Murphy – acquired as a 4th outfielder – has done a great job of taking advantage of his opportunities. Botts has not. He’s had added zero value in his almost half-season worth of plate appearances and games played.

by JBImaknee on Apr 29, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point Taken

But I still feel that with the commitment to rebuilding, you have to commit to the younger players and give them some consistent time. It would be one thing if we were a playoff team with little in the way of holes we had to fill, but Grant specifically refers to a track record, and I don’t feel Botts had a fair shake to establish one. It may not have panned out anyway, but sitting the first ten games was not how you were going to find out anything about him.

by manderskat on Apr 29, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

So he should have to do something to earn more playing time. The one good game he had this year earned him a couple more games of PT. After doing nothing in those he was back to the bench. It was up to him to establish a track record not the manager to coddle him.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 5:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coddling

I don’t feel as strong about him staying as you obviously do about him going, but I think after all the time he spent crushing the ball in the minors that he deserved more of a chance at the big league level to succeed or fail. You don’t get that by sitting on the bench behind a Broussard, who did in fact get his chances on a consistent basis and consistently fails. The fact that this team was not supposed to contend should have given the brass more patience with him. He may not have made it anyway, but I don’t think he was given a fair shake. You can call that coddling if you want, but if you don’t get PAs, you don’t develop.

by manderskat on Apr 29, 2008 5:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

When you get the plate appearances and do nothing with them you don’t get more plate appearances. Look both Broussard and Botts have sucked at the plate this year. Botts has no track record defensively and Broussard, before this year, had a pretty good one. Thats why he got the majority of the playing time. I don’t fault the manager for not playing a non-hitting, non-fielding 1B more

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sounds like a guy...

...who expected to be handed way too much. Part of me hopes he gets claimed and gets a shot elsewhere. But then another part of me hopes, more like knows, he won’t get claimed and we outright him to OKC and he can’t refuse it.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm a little disappointed

I liked Botts look and plate presense, rather intimidating.

I understand why the club wants to go this route, and I completely understand why Botts has already thrown a verbal jab at the organization.

He was very patient while this club wasn’t giving him a shot. I would have liked to have seen him play at least half the season up here.

If Botts is claimed, it’s the best thing that could happen to him. If he’s sent back to AAA, I see him being packaged off in some sort of deadline deal. His future is not with this organization. Good Luck Jason.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 29, 2008 5:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

one thing

couldnt we have dfa’d nippert i think we are all forgetting who the worst guy on our 40 man is

by blueballlefty on Apr 29, 2008 6:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Botts is older

You complain about giving young guys a shot. Well Nippert is younger than Botts

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point

It’s not a matter of who is the worst current player on the 40 man, but who has the least role with the team for the future.

by Telegraph on Apr 29, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And

Its probably a case of who they can get through waivers and keep which Botts has a very good chance of doing

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't matter if Botts goes through the waivers

Unless a miracle occurs and donkeys lay eggs, he is no longer in the future plans of the team.

by Telegraph on Apr 29, 2008 6:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK

But after the comments he made about the organization I want him to be stashed in OKC and then have to find a job as a soon to be 29 year old with barely any major league experience this winter.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

BS

i think botts makes it through waivers but this move is made b/c JD and wash would look like incompetent fools who cant manage a 40 man and dont know how to focus on the proper direction for a long term goal if Ben Blewhard was to be cut after pissing away 4M on him

and yes when we go cheap in the draft and pass on this years Weaver, Porcello, Hochover im gonna throw out how 4M woulda helped sign him

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

How does 4 million spent this winter help sign a guy drafted last summer?

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this coming june

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Some stuff about Botts

I’ve mentioned before that I went to high school with him at Paso Robles High School. Now I cover sports for the newspaper in the next town over (Atascadero, which is Paso Robles’ biggest rival) and I talked to the former AHS baseball coach (retired from coaching now but runs the scoreboard and announces at games still). He said he remembered Botts as a pitcher and as not much of a hitter in his high school days.

I found it interesting.

by Inkara1 on Apr 29, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh NO. We suck again!!!!!!

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 29, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your pic doesn't show up

It’s just a blue square that says “www.cineol.net”

by Inkara1 on Apr 29, 2008 6:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wellllllllllll shitbags.

You are correct. Nevermind…

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 29, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see it...

Some dude in a hat with his arm raised. I think I recognize him, but can’t place the face.

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 6:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You've never seen "The Waterboy"?

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 29, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No..

Not that I know of, anyway. Half the movies I see, I watch while fipping around my buddys cable, and I never know the name of them.

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

While flipping around your buddy's cable?

Two things: You shouldn’t give your friends hand relief while watching movies, and we don’t need to hear about you getting gay with your buddies, LSJ.

Though that is a pretty good euphemism.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 29, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LMFAO

Boy, dirk… did you get back from a strip club tonight or something? That comment on Shelton in the gameday thread, and now this…

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

+1. When will they hand out those at TBiA? Hell, might as well accept sucking and have some fun with it.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Apr 29, 2008 6:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i was thinking about it

and i dont think enough fellas would show up to pull it off.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 29, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I couldn't agree with you more!

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 29, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Much ado about nothing

I am in the camp that wishes it would have been BB instead of Botts DFA’d, but dear lord. People are getting all worked up because we DFA’d a 28 year old DH that hasn’t hit AT ALL in 350+ PAs in his big league career. He was a 46th round draft pick. The guy replacing him is the same age and has a better minor league and major league track record.

Who cares? Is this the next Travis Hafner, Carlos Pena or AGon? NO. He may turn out to be a servicable DH, but the kind of servicable that you can get anywhere. Either way, he’s a non-factor and will still be in the organization. However, after his comments, I wouldn’t mind if they gave him his outright release and let him go see what organization is going to give him 500 ABs without any kind of performance to get acclimated to the big leagues.

You would have thought that we released Hamilton.

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

He plain and simply wasn’t cutting it. Striking out almost 50% of the time? That’s horrific. At least with Nelson Cruz you get a capable defender.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 29, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be true

But is Ben Broussard cutting it? That’s the mistake here: it shoulda been Broussard axed, not Botts.

by lonestarJon on Apr 29, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps..

pick your poison!

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Apr 29, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you

I would have rather seen it be him. I don’t think either guy is in the future plans. I guess at least they figuere they’ve got some money in BB.

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts or Broussard....

Might as well be arguing over Wayne Tolleson vs. Curtis Wilkerson.

Mariano Rivera? Nope - I'll take Dale Mohorcic anyday....

by woodenskillet on Apr 29, 2008 6:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He's got a point......

and I hope he goes and blows it up somewhere else. So this will be a nail in the coffin for JD and Ron Washington.

Shelton is a SPARE!!!!! No reason to bring that guy up to play over someone like Botts, who still hasn’t proven he’s a SPARE. Now, if we were 3 games over and competing for first that’s a different story, but we’re competing for last F’ING PLACE!

by coachh on Apr 29, 2008 6:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I love how

one guy who has had some major league success is a spare but the guy ONE MONTH younger who has had zero major league success isn’t. You sir have unbelievable logic

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Minor leagues:

Shelton: .311/.412/.500/.912 @1800 AB’s
Botts: .298/.393/.484/ 3000+ AB’s

Major leagues:

Shelton: .281/.348/.477/.825 807 AB’s
Botts: .230/.325/.344/.669 282 AB’s

Look, I get the “Why not Broussard?” argument. However, declaring Shelton a spare, while lauding the greatness of Botts is just insane.

by badradiorules on Apr 29, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually

he has proved less than a spare.

by VEGASbB77 on Apr 30, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Logic?

Big Steve? When a team is rebuilding, they want to see what they have in a young player. Now, if the Rangers have decided that Botts will never amount to anything, I’m fine w them DFA’ing him. But, they didn’t give him much time. Shelton is not a long term answer for sure! Look at his stats….................Broussard has major league success, and I think we’ve decided he sucks too…...........................Now, if we were playing 500 ball????

by coachh on Apr 29, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Botts

First off the guy is not young anymore. Stop calling him a young player. What has he done to be “given” any amount of time? In fact they did “give” him time last year when they sat their most productive hitter for the last two months of the season so we could watch Botts spare us to death. He needed to do something to earn playing time.

by bigsteve on Apr 29, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My problem

isn’t just that Botts got DFA’d. It’s the way his whole career has been managed, i think he should have gotten his shot sooner. I know people will say he needed to make them give him a shot but how many times was he blocked by older declining players? The guy’s 28 now and most players seem to hit their prime in that 27 to 29 year range. Half a season of sporadic at bats and obviously it’s got to be difficult to get into a groove or make adjustments when you don’t know if you’re playing, sitting or being put on a plane.

by j d on Apr 29, 2008 7:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well this is a black day for me

Obviously I’m sad that it happened and wish we could’ve just plugged him into the lineup until the All-Star break and see if he could adjust to major league pitching if given an extended shot… but the fact is that Botts had a chance to show something, anything and pooped out a big steamy pile of foul-smelling fail. Some of us Botts-lovers might not think he got a “fair shake”, but he didn’t hit at all in his “unfair shake”, so that’s that, I guess.

I still think he has the potential to be a good major league hitter, and I really hope he catches on somewhere else and ownerships the whole league.

But I put the odds of him getting claimed at 15%, so he’ll probably stick around OKC at least a few more months.

Bleck.

I’m sad.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on Apr 29, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

At this point

Broussard, Shelton, Botts…whoever’s at first is just keeping the bag warm for Chris Davis. Yeah, Botts has been mishandled and jerked around, but, as has been noted, he hasn’t done anything at the major league level to warrant the belief that he should get regular playing time. A Shelton/Broussard combo at first is fine till Davis comes up because there really aren’t any significantly better options out there. Were this a contending team the story might be different, but they aren’t, so it isn’t. So we may as well lay back and let BB be the goat of choice for the year. Maybe Shelton’s defense will at least be better than the other two.

by shakma on Apr 29, 2008 9:31 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well...

I was pretty upset earlier. I recorded the game and when I saw Shelton at 1B I was excited that the Rangers finally DFA’d BB. When I heard it was Botts I was fucking pissed. Now I realize that I was/am over-reacting but this just makes no sense. BB has no place on this team. Especially with Shelton here now.

I have been a fan of JD for the most part, but I just don’t get this move. This team was not going anywhere this year or last year and to only get him a month of AB’s here and a month of AB’s there just isn’t right. After reading his comments I can’t say that I really blame him for being upset. Yes he could have performed much better in th short time he was given, but I am one of the few that thinks he may have been able to figure it out.

I like Botts (maybe not as much as Dirkatron but…) and really hope he catches on somewhere else and succeeds, but I think he will clear waivers and end up in OKC which means he will not get another shot until the Rangers release him outright. For whatever reason JD and Co. don’t want to give him a fair shot imo. And the comments he made aren’t going to help that either.

BB is dead to me. Screw that guy. He is meaningless and I loath the fact that he is still on this team. End of overreacting rant.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 1:11 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jerking Botts around

What upsets me most about this is the following:

Botts got his first taste of the Majors at 24 in 2005 and hit ok, but not bad .296/.367/.296 in 30 PA’s in the month of September. He played 3 full games, got 5 other starts where he was pulled in the late innings, came in on defense in one, and pinch ran in the last, appearing in 10 of 16 games. that’s not regular playing time.

at 25, in 2006, he was brought in from AAA and played 20 games from May 23 through July 9th. He played 13 full games and pinch hit 7 times. He also sat out entirely 24 games. He started in back to back games 3 times. He played only at DH except for one game where he was the left fielder for an inning. again, not regular playing time. (this is the year he, like laird, feuded with Buck Showalter)

at 26, in 2007, he was finally given a chance on August 1, when Tex was traded. He played from there through the end of the year, starting most games. He didn’t hit well. (can’t really say much about that). Though, according to BP, he was a superior defender.

This year, he’s 27 (not 28) and for the first time in his career, made the team in spring training. After being the regular left fielder at the end of last year, he was asked to learn first base in the off-season. Then they brought in Ben Broussard. Then they brought in Chris Shelton. So, Botts went from being the starting left fielder to the third string first baseman during the off-season. I can’t find spring training stats, but it was clear that he should have won the first base job outright with his bat in camp, but the team decided to give Broussard the job anyway because they felt that Botts’ “defense” wasn’t acceptable.

so, despite being on the roster, he manages to get into 4 games out of the first 14, with 3 pinch hitting appearences and one start at first base (where he was lifted defensively in the eighth inning. Then, when Marlon Byrd pulls up lame he gets more playing time, playing in 10 of 12 games, starting 7 of them, though he plays first, DH, and finally left field. In his last game he goes 1 for 4 with a walk and a home run, then gets DFA’ed.

Personally, I would be pissed too.

Botts has always needed time to adapt to a new league, often starting out slowly, then finding a groove. but other than 2 months at the end of 2007, he never got that chance. And even then, if he had found the groove, and was ready to take the league by storm in 2008, where did he start the year? riding pine. and watching the starter hit .170 as well. What does it say to you when you are sitting there watching a guy hit like crap and field poorly too? How many 0-4’s by the starter do you have to watch when you KNOW you can do better if given a chance, then, just when it feels like you might get that chance, when the team announces that they will be “shaking things up”, and then they announce that shaking things up means that YOU were the problem? I’d look at them and ask, “What was I doing wrong? was I doing a crappy job cheering? was my heckling substandard? did I not do enough to help Ben Broussard catch the ball at first base? Its not like I had much of a chance to screw up in the field…...”

by iblum on Apr 30, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Showing once again
Though, according to BP, he was a superior defender.

that most defensive stats are nonsense.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don't think he was that bad in left

especially after watching Cat out there.

by SteveP on Apr 30, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, comparing anyone to cat...

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

The guy had a normal progression in the minors. He earned a September callup in 05. He did pretty good for his first time in the bigs. Next seaosn he went where most guys go. Back to the minors. And he earned being an injury replacement during the middle of the season. But in that time he didn’t do so well. Then in o7 before being handed playing time in August he was handed the starting DH job going into spring training. I don’t know why people forget about that. He was handed that but couldn’t keep it because he let a 38 year old street free agent who hadn’t played baseball in over a year come in and take it from him. Then after benching our most productive hitter in our lineup in favor of Botts he goes out and spares us to death for 2 months. He wasn’t jerked around. He followed a path to the majors that most guys follow. Problem was he never took advantage of playing time when it was given to him.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sosa

You keep saying that he was “handed the starting DH job going into spring training” only to be beat out by “a 38 year old street free agent who hadn’t played baseball in over a year”. This “38 year old street free agent who hadn’t played baseball in over a year” has a name. Sammy Sosa. He also had 588 career home runs and a legitimate shot to hit his 600th that year, with regular playing time. Its not like they brought some random 38 year old off the street. Hey you! Come beat out Jason Botts for playing time! Yeah, you, the one in the cut-offs and backwards baseball cap!

Does Botts have some kind of attittude problem or something? does he ignore Rudy or something?

by iblum on Apr 30, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Rudy sees a swing

he can’t fix for MLB. I can’t believe Botts would have not gotten more of an opportunity if Rudy was behind him.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I know who it was

The point was we weren’t bringing in a guy who had been an All Star the previous season or even been very good for that matter. We didn’t bring in a young player we brought in Sammy Sosa. The end of Sosas career went downhill very fast. Nobody would have thought he would have come in here and done as well as he did. We signed him to a minor league deal as more of a publicity stunt than anything else. But he came in to spring training and not only won the job he won it hands down. Sammy hit 4 or 5 home runs in spring while Bottsy boy hit 0. Bottsy hit around .300 while Sosa hit around .500. Sorry but I don’t fault the organization for going with Sosa over Botts. Especially when they made so many concessions late in the season to get Botts playing time. When else have you seen a team completely sit their most productive bat in favor of a minor leaguer and then even after the minor leaguer goes out and show nothing they continue to let him play.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bad organizations

are bad for a reason.

by SteveP on Apr 30, 2008 12:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And another thing...

wasn’t it just a week or 2 ago when JD had his “talk” with Wash about playing him more? What could he have possibly seen that made him change his mind and DFA him in such a short period f time? I just don’t get it.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 4:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My guess..

Nolan.

"If an Irish woman’s vagina morphed into a baseball player, it’d be Chris Shelton."--theDirkatron

by jparks77 on Apr 30, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

the fact that Botts has gone 6-33 for a .183 BA since then playing in 11 of the 12 games and starting 8 of those. And take out his one good game in Toronto and he was 4 for 29 for a .138 BA.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ever,

hear the phrase, struck out LOOKING?

by VEGASbB77 on May 1, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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