John Danks
by Baseball North on Apr 3, 2008 2:47 PM CDT
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His Point Was...
It broke my 6 game hitting streak on MLB's Beat The Streak.
My pick for today was Gutierrez and he went 0 for 3.
His point is...
John Danks > Brandon McCarthy
And JD fucked up again.
I'm getting sick and tired of hearing (from some of you posters) and reading from the local media that it's to early to tell about this trade. It's plain and simple... McCarthy is a brittle, fragile injury prone flop and JD screwed up another trade.
It's obvious JD has NO clue. And hiring Ron Washington was another flop when we should have hired Trey Hillman. Ron Washington can't lead this team to the playoffs. And Jon Danials should be fired for approving the hiring of Washington.
by hurlerhurley on Apr 3, 2008 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Taking Bullets
I could stand by and watch you get riddled with insults, barbs, and derision from the JD-Luvin' crowd, but I agree with you completely, and I don't suffer fools gladly.
Both were mistakes, and I said so at the time.
Fire away!
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
the only reason
id now prefer danks over mccarthy is health. and there was no reason to suspect so at the trade. so im not bitter about that.
yeah i guess
i just wish the rangers had kept him b/c hed be our home grown pitcher. if they both had the same career, i would rather have been able to say, we drafted that kid, we developed that kid, we started that kid, and we resigned that kid. he's our kid.
if its close to a tie, its a loss in my book. showing you can develop and groom kids to rotation stalwart has value in itself.
.500 or bust!
Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!
even if
you could trade him for another guy with far superior minor league numbers who is only one year older than he is?
You see the hype Hurley is generating right now? Imagine that only bigger. Because BMacs minor league numbers are better than Hurleys and far better than Danks' were. I hope the best for the guy but I absolutely hate people who want him simply because he was a "homegrown" prospect or a "hometown kid". BMac was a superior prospect and was more ready for the big leagues at the time of the trade and only one year older. His injuries since the trade should have absolutely no bearing on whether the deal should have been made. We just have to chalk that up to bad luck and go on.
i guess the white sox must be stupid
cause they had no problem taking danks for bmac
I imagine
that's why Masset and Rasner (it was him, yeah?) were included as well, because Danks was less proven.
If I'm not mistaken
I believe JD also managed to take a bite of Ken Williams' turkey sandwich as part of the deal in exchange for future considerations of a handful of M&M's.
Yes
I thought the "plan" was designed to develop "homegrown"talent.
What's wrong with that? Fans love growing up with their players because it breeds familiarity and loyalty. The trade was fairly even to me, except the "homegrown" and Lefty issues.
I think those are valid considerations.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
No
At the time the plan was still try to win now. It wasn't until mid way through last year that we went into rebuilding mode. Even so trading a 21 year old who probably needs another year in the minors for a 22 almost 23 year old who has over a year in the bigs under his belt is not that big a deal. The only teams who worry about that type deal are teams like the Rays who worry about arbitration and service time.
Maybe
I agree about the situation at the time of the trade, and I wasn't intending to bring up merits of any given plan.
I just meant to say that I believe that the "homegrown" factor is a valid consideration in making a trade (not specifically the Danks/Mac trade, but any trade) because of the fan connection with the player. I know it's not a stat-factor, but it's a legitimate business concern and should be weighed. I think it's often ignored by the Hicks group.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
when your organization is perceived to have a loyalty problem
then developing your own talent and going through a whole era to the end has a value to the fans and the players. the same 2 groups have long questioned management over a failure to commit long-term to developing and keeping good talent.
.500 or bust!
Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!
Amen
Unfortunately, Brandon's health is a major concern right now. Wouldn't be surprised if he went down to TJ sometime this summer.
OK
What exactly makes you think so, though...
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Apr 3, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions
See also: Francisco Liriano
And Akinori Otsuka.
Both had situations that bore scary resembelances to B-Mac's problem - both wound up having surgery.
by LSJ on Apr 3, 2008 6:55 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam
I do hope McCarthy does better.
But, I serioulsy don't think that this is going to happen. It's a crying shame and I get so damn depressed over getting rid of John Danks who I have followed from the day we drafted him. It's just another huge let down from the way this organization has been handling trades especially Jon Daniels and his pathetic trades
by hurlerhurley on Apr 3, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions
yep...
i was wondering how long it would take before this was posted.
no ill will toward the kid. nor any to chris young, adrian gonzalez and travis hafner, tex or....A ROD
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
a little toward teix
Yay, the Rangers are in first place!
by RangerMoto on Apr 3, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Trey Hillman is good
We should have forked over a little extra money and hired Hillman. I blame Danials for this and Hicks for just being plain stupid. But it boils down to Danials who should have told Hicks that he should pay Hillman the money.
by hurlerhurley on Apr 3, 2008 10:50 PM CDT up reply actions
OT...
I hate off days after losses.
I hate them more than walks and Jay Leno.
That is all.
by ghostofErikThompson on Apr 3, 2008 5:02 PM CDT reply actions
Conan on Jay Leno
Pretty funny. Conan was, I mean.
Probably not online anymore...
http://www.slate.com/id/2187569/
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Apr 3, 2008 5:22 PM CDT up reply actions
why Miles?
did you see his most recent controversial clip when he asked Ryan Phillipe to make a really gay face for the camera and offended some? Ryan started out as a gay character on a soap opera.
That boy Whiffy's swing has more holes in it than Amy Winehouse's arm.
I was watching that night
And I wasn't really impressed. I didn't have a problem with what he asked the Phillipe to do, for the sake of comedy (it would have been funny), but the way he sat there and harped on the poor guy wasn't too cool, IMO. Phillipe really didn't deserve that.
I like Jay's headlines and monologues, but I think Dave Letterman is a much better interviewer. I usually flip over to Dave once the monologue and the headlines are over.
by LSJ on Apr 3, 2008 7:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Letterman v. Leno...
is not even close.
Dave is great and Leno is a schmuck.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
They both suck
Conan and Stewart are the only nightly guys I watch.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on Apr 4, 2008 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
Meh...
I like Stewart and Colbert, but can't stand Conan either.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Used to love Conan and his quirkiness
watched him the other day and noticed that he's really run the self-deprecating bit into the ground. That's a shame.
It was fun in small doses, but he's lost all touch with it in his monologues.
"You are this month's NYTXFAN." - t ball
by inactive lsb user on Apr 4, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
The only good thing about Conan
Triumph the Insult Comic Dog
Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.
by Brian Thomas on Apr 5, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
+ rec
Triumph rules.
"You are this month's NYTXFAN." - t ball
by inactive lsb user on Apr 6, 2008 11:03 PM CDT up reply actions
ugh
just imagine a rotation with young and danks instead of jennings and gabbard + agon instead of broussard.
depressing.
at least jd somewhat redeemed himself with josh hamilton.
OR
young, danks, millwood and padilla and volquez, oh well it is what it is. I love Hammy though.
That boy Whiffy's swing has more holes in it than Amy Winehouse's arm.
And
How great would it be if we still had A-Rod bitching all the time and Coco and Gagne blowing save after save... and don't forget about our outfield with Delucci and Nix... Damn, I wish we never made a single trade, EVER!
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 3, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions
ARod bitching
You mean like Young does?
Also, show me a link where ARod bitched while he was still here?
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
by LSBUser on Apr 3, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmmm
After reading the thread and my comment in context, you think my point is about A-Rod bitching? Honey, is that you?
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 3, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions
Arod part
Its still a fair question. You typed it in as part of your arguement that trades dont always work. To be honest i hate it when MY bitches. Overall, im starting to get the sense that his public "outcries" are turning more and more into arrogance after getting that huge contract. It was one thing when Tex and Arod put up the numbers and the defense to support the talk. MY needs to shut the hell up and learn to play D at short if he ever wants this team to go as far as he claims it would if the management would have overpayed aging veterans.
baseBALLIN!
Danks has been throwing a cutter
that he's been working on since last year. But today was the first time he's really thrown it in a major league game...
I just went through the gameday data and corrected their pitch type guess, and put it in a nice little chart.
Didn't see him missing many bats today, but the cutter is actually an attempt to create groundball outs and help cut that troubling HR rate. So far, so good.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
Too Bad
the Rangers didn't have a pitching coach that knew how to teach him that.
I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy
It's Buehrle too
Cooper and Buehrle worked with him on a grip all last year, but he didn't feel comfortable with it. He apparently came up with his own way to throw it in the off-season on his own.
I've noted multiple times that it doesn't really seem to cut, or at least I can't see it cut. I can see it sink though, so it's more like a 2-seamer, a sinker.
AIM: SouthSideCheat
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