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Another game yesterday ruined by a crappy Jason Jennings outing. 

Jennings left with an irritated ulnar nerve, although there's no indication right now as to whether or not he'll miss his next start, much less go on the d.l.

Jason Botts wants out of the Rangers organization, and wants a "fresh start" elsewhere.  Can't say that I blame him.  The Rangers have bent over backwards over the past couple of years to avoid playing him, but have also kept him on the 40 man roster.  That said, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up clearing waivers.

Y'all know my feelings on Botts.  The most troubling thing about this move, to me, is the fact that the Rangers feel that they need to try to save the season, as Evan Grant suggests, despite supposedly rebuilding.  If this is a rebuilding season, you need to go with Botts for longer than 38 ABs.  And if you want to see Chris Shelton -- who, for what it is worth, is only a month older than Botts -- then Ben Broussard seems to make more sense to go on the chopping block, given that he's been terrible at every aspect of the game this season.

And Jon Daniels and Ron Washington met yesterday.  It doesn't appear Washington is being fired this week.

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Broussard

I think it’s got to be his salary that saved him.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 30, 2008 8:52 AM CDT   0 recs

that's a bad reason, though

You might be right, but that salary is a sunk cost. Unless they think Broussard is truly the better option, they need to eat it and move on. Same with Jennings.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 8:54 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1 MM

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yep,

its the dumbest reason of all.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree it's dumb...but...

I wonder if the hope is that if Broussard could somehow improve enough in May/June that they could trade off at least part of his contract to a contender.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The money is already spent...

...don’t let the decision to acquire him hurt you twice.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

well we know its definately not...

his glove or his bat, thats for sure.

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

remember all that talk over the winter?

about not blocking their own guys with over-the-hill marginal vets anymore?

Guys with a swing like Botts need consistent playing time to get in a groove. He was (deliberately) deprived of that opportunity by Washington.

In his last 16 plate appearances, Botts gave the Rangers 6 walks, a home run and a double. I think he was about to get locked in (historicallly, big walk numbers anticipate a Botts breakout).

In 80 plate appearances this year, Broussard has given the Rangers 5 walks, three homers and no doubles. Plus, he sucks.

Plus, this boils down to a guy who should not have a job and won’t be here in a year (Washington) calling the shots and getting his way with another guy who shouldn’t have a job and won’t be here in a year (Broussard).

by bronco28 on Apr 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT   1 recs

+infinity

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 9:32 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

awesome take

i couldnt have said it any better myself.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

This orginization

does not know how to rebuild. and, this is why we have no hope for a couple years from now which is what they always say. We’ll compete in 2 years. Well, they never do because they don’t know how go through the growing pains of a young player. It makes me sick to see the players the rangers give away just before they make it to the bigs. It also makes me sick to think of what is going to happen with the current crop of youngs players on the cusp.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 8:59 AM CDT   0 recs

Rising concern

I keep thinking back to Adam’s recent post about the plan vs. the implementation. Daniels seems to have the right idea about how to rebuild on a theoretical level, but the implementation makes no sense. Botts may well have failed if given the chance, but it makes no sense to ‘save the season’ if that disrupts the building process, esp. to keep a one-year reclamation project like BB on board. As always with this team, the short-term trumps the long-term…and the long term never really seems to improve.

And NothinG is so right. What are we going to do when all this promising prospects start to break in. Sigh.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 9:05 AM CDT   0 recs

Who exact is being blocked by

Broussard and Shelton? Davis isn’t ready.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think he's saying

why would we ever expect any different when the awesome prospects in frisco A+ and A ball are ready. are the gonna dick them around and never give them consistent playing time like they did with botts?

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

This organization seems to have trouble really committing to youth. It seems to want to commit to break in one or two while fielding a respectable team in the meantime. In an organization that had been well run over time, that would be an excellent approach. But the Hart era devastated this organization, and I’m not convinced the current leadership understands fully what it takes to implement the good ideas it has about rebuilding. It’s not Botts per se; rather it’s this Botts decision is indicative of a larger problem, and it creates worries about the future.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 11:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What youth?

Thats the problem. We are in rebuilding mode but our major league team is not ready for it yet. The reason is we don’t have prospects who are ready to be thrown into the fire. Who are the young guys we should be playing this year that are stuck in AAA behind a veteran? In reality the only one is/was Salty. Hurley isn’t ready. Davis, Andrus, Ramirez, Harrison all aren’t ready. BOTTS IS NOT A YOUNG PLAYER ANYMORE. You can’t say we can’t commit to youth when we don’t have youth to commit to. Thank you John Hart for that. I believe we have committed to guys like Kinsler, Young, Blalock, and Tex when they were young. Now yes in the next few months and over the next couple years when our young guys are ready then we can argue about not committing to youth if older players are blocking them. But as it stands right now there aren’t.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But

Botts is younger than BB and is more likely to contribute to the longer term good of the team (even if that likelihood isn’t particularly overhwhelming). And then there are the young players this team gave up on (through trades or roster issues): C. Young, Galarraga, Kozlowski come to mind. Of course Koz didn’t pan out and Galarraga may be a flash in the pan, but why did we risk losing them? Shouldn’t they have been given time to develop if we are rebuilding?

And it’s precisely because Hart left us in such bad shape that we shouldn’t be holding on to the BBs of the world and should give Botts a real chance of playing everyday for a good length of time. If he flops, move on; but maybe he’ll contribute to this team in a way the BBs of the world never will.

On a better run team the Botts move would be a minor issue, but with this team’s history it’s all too indicative of fundamental organizational problems…or a curse. We’re not even close to the stage when adding a vet to fill a hole makes much sense when you at least have the possibility of plugging in someone with more upside, no matter how small that upside may be.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 11:40 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Please stop...

with the Botts is not a young player anymore. We get it. He is however younger than BB. All any of us Botts supporters wanted was for him to get 400 AB’s in one season when there is nothing to lose. If he sucks after that then fine move on.

28 isn’t exactly retirement age either.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bascially,

The Hicks factor breaks in, he wants them to try to PRETEND to win now because he knows already, that losing only causes empy seats at the ballpark, and this will always be a factor, the Hicks factor. So, rebuilding or not, they will always sign the cheap one year deals and try to pretend they are competing to keep the turnstill turning.

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

TR

Good stuff. His column reflects my thoughts about the Washington situation almost exactly.

A new manager, no matter who it is, inherits the same old problems and if you veer away from the long-range plan now, you run serious risk of falling back into the same painful rut that put the Rangers in this situation. The vicious cycle just begins anew and there are no shortcuts…They have committed to a long-term plan of attack and a new manager is not going to accelerate the process. The more likely danger is another 180 degree turn for the worse.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 9:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

But our Washington doesn't

seem onboard at all with the long-term plan.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What keeps the vicious cycle going

is committing to bad veterans like Broussard and Jennings.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

that doesn't help

That’s true, but the bigger risk I think is another change of direction by Hicks. Cutting Washington lose would be the first step in a process that could lead to Daniels getting fired and abandonment of his rebuilding plan.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 9:20 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Except

they don’t appear to be going in a direction of rebuilding when folks like Jennings, Broussard, Cat, etc. get playing time. Who the manager is will be irrelevant if you waste PT on those stiffs.

Switching managers does less damage to rebuilding than playing mediocre vets instead of younger players.

It’s difficult to see much rebuilding actually going on with Washington managing.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:22 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

perhaps

But at least Washington is a Daniels hire and (presumably) is somewhat responsive to what Daniels has to say. If you replace Washington with a Ryan hire, that manager will answer to Ryan and Daniels will be effectively shut out. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that Ryan cares about Daniels’ long-term plan, so I just think that could be the beginning of the end. I hear what you’re saying, but in this case I see it as a devil you know/devil you don’t situation.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 9:36 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe because

I see Washington’s responsibility in playing Big Bad Ben Broussard, but I honestly see no committment to development with him. I honestly have trouble understanding what Washington brings to the table. His reputation before he came here was his defensive coaching, and I am seeing a lot of Rangers players move backwards defensively.

Overall, I’m not concerned about a huge hiccup in the organization getting rid of him.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:39 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jennings, Cat

Who would you replace them with?

There just isn’t much starting pitching depth in the high minors.

Plus, Cat needs to play to gain trade value.

I think the truth is this year hasn’t started. The real rebuilding began in July, and will continue when other trades happen this year.

If Laird, Cat, Byrd and even Shelton and Broussard get moved or cut, it allows Boggs to stay as a 4th outfielder (though that begs the question of whether he’d be better off playing everyday in OKC), Davis is the 1B, and it even allows Max and Saltalamacchia to alternate between C and DH.

I want to give JD until the trade deadline to make the roster leaner of veterans, and plug the first wave of youth into place.

And way before guillotining Wash, let’s make sure the youth is actually ready to play. To use one example, Davis is still a K machine at Frisco.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 30, 2008 9:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jennings and Cat

“There just isn’t much starting pitching depth in the high minors.”

Whoa, Nellie, I thought the great JD has stocked the Rangers farm system with prospects out the ass and now you tell me there just isn’t much starting pitching in the high minors? Next, you’re gonna tell me the Easter Bunny died.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Apr 30, 2008 11:07 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

most of the higher ceiling arms

are in the low minors, so it’s not a contradiction to say that and still say that Daniels has restocked the farm.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Who should be playing instead of

Jennings, Broussard, Cat, etc?

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2008 10:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gallaraga, Botts, and cruz...

we suck. we will suck for the next 2 or 3 seasons. see what the hell you have with these young cheap guys and whose worth keeping before you blow 12M bucks on a bunch of guys who wont help you contend anyway.

its called rebuilding. all 3 of those guys you listed should never have been on this team from the second they signed here. JD should have known that. Wash cant be blamed for playing guys that his general manager gives him. to piss away that much money all while being cheap in so many other ways….

wash is an idiot who cant manage and isnt implementing any sort of long term plan, but more and more as the roster management continues to suck ass, im putting it all on JD. If he’s gone by the end of the season, im OK with that. you never coulda convinced me of that at the end of last season

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:33 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Jayslick

I’m still laughing about the puke picture last night. That visual is burned into my comedy memory forever. God bless you, sir.

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 30, 2008 10:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

much love thanks

although i will say a couple were flipped out in a rather touchy way. its like they’ve spent hours puking their guts out or cleaning it up recently.

heh.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Easy

C: Salty/Laird (Salt getting more of the PT)
1B: Botts (Davis isn’t ready, and Botts could’ve used more PA’s)
2B: Kinsler
SS: Young
3B: Blalock
OF: Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz
DH: Shelton

Util IF’s: Duran/Vazquez
Util OF: Boggs

Guys who really don’t need to be here:
Cat, Bradley, Byrd, maybe even Laird.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:23 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Why Bradley?

We may have stumbled on a guy that can hold down a corner spot for a few seasons or, at the very least, bring us a nice return at the trade deadline. I think he has a realistic chance of being here and contributing in a big way over the next few years, especially with his disciplined plate approach.

And Cruz has always raked at AAA. It’s just up in the bigs that he has issues. He has appeared in a full season’s worth of games and has a 73 OPS+. I’d rather have Bradley’s predictable production out in RF the next few years than suffer through 300 more PA’s from Cruz.

by Athos on Apr 30, 2008 11:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You're right on Bradley.

I like Milton, but I just don’t think he’ll be here after the deadline if he keeps out of trouble. He’s about a month away from consistent OF play, and here’s hoping he stays healthy after that.

I still feel Cruz should get just one more shot though, I haven’t lost all hope yet.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That doesn't take into account consistently terrible game management on Washington's part...

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 30, 2008 9:18 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+ 1

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 9:19 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+2

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The "salvage the season" reaction is for business reason

The front office does not want to disintegrate the fan base by letting the season get out of hand.

However, I would think any “fanbase” we lose that way would probably be very easy to recover once we field a winning team. However, by trying to cater to the more fickle fans through hole pluggers, not playing younger future players when they are ready, and not giving enough looks to question marks, it probably pisses off those more loyal fan base a whole lot more. More importantly, it is going to dramatically slow the rebuilding process.

by Telegraph on Apr 30, 2008 9:10 AM CDT   0 recs

honestly

at this point is it even possible to kill the fan base any more?

Every loss is one step closer to the top of the draft in 2009!

by knockoutking on Apr 30, 2008 2:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm not a big Botts fan

I suspect his upside might be to be what Cat is now. A marginal platoon hitter with no defensive ability.

However, that being said, I still don’t understand the Broussard fascination. As I said during spring training, he is a butcher in the field, he can’t hit, and they are paying him way too much. He will not help you win today, he will not help you win in the future.

However, it is also tough to get on board with all the hubbub over cutting Botts. He’s 28, he can’t field, and he hasn’t been able to hit. Personally, I would have given him ABs to at least Memorial Day or maybe the Fourth of July, but its easy to see in closed door meetings, Rudy telling them he doesn’t think he will ever be a big time hitter.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:13 AM CDT   0 recs

Completely agree

I don’t understand why everyone here thinks that the only way to evaluate a player is to gift wrap 500 + at bats for them. Yes, the Rangers have made some poor judgement calls in the past, but they obviously have never considered Botts a prospect at any point. He never even showed flashes at the big league level that would lead you to believe that he is an impact bat.

Would I have rather they dump BB, absolutely. However, I’m not the least bit worked up over losing a guy that IF he really pans out, might put up the kind of big league numbers that the guy that just replaced him has.

People are acting like this is why the organization sucks. This move ranks very low on the scale of why this organization sucks. This really has nothing to do with the rebuilding process. HE”S 28 and is not part of the future either. They think BB and Shelton will be better down the stretch for this season. Fine.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 9:24 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The guy hit really

well in all levels of the minor leagues. I think that makes him a prospect. 38 abs and half of those didn’t come consistently. Botts needs more time. I don’t care if he doesn’t pan out but this upside is there to give a shot for longer than 38abs or even 240 or so over 4 years. That is not much of a chance either.

all i wanted was to see a COMMITMENT to rebuilding. part of that is giving your younger or potentially better players a shot.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:28 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i'm sick of the talk, i want to see the walk

i’m sad to say but this org is all talk

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Rebuilding

This doesn’t change the rebuilding plan at all. Botts was not part of the future here. Rebuilding or not, you have a responsibility to try to win SOME games? Not to continue to gift wrap ABs to a guy that has never earned them, in the hopes that MAYBE he can crack the .700 OPS mark.

It is so easy to find guys that are Botts at his ceilng, its not worth watching him strike out every other at bat and not hit for any power in the DH spot or watch him play first base like Lurch from the Adams Family.

If you really think that his minor league numbers indicate that he is a prospect at his age, then you should be happy today, because he has been replaced by a guy that is the same age, has a better minor league track record and MUCH better big league numbers.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 9:53 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It may rank low

But it’s still yet another sign that things are not right with this organization. That’s the real problem. If it were a one-time or rare deal I don’t think people would care that much. Botts probably never will be a Hafner. But sticking with Broussard-bringing him on board in the first place even-is just more evidence that this organization does not understand what it takes to rebuild. That’s the real point in all this, not Botts per so.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 9:51 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Botts

I don’t get the feeling that Botts has EVER been considered by this team as a long term option at DH/1B. If that’s the case, the signing of BB or the DFA of Botts, doesn’t veer off the path of rebuilding at all. Now, if BB continues to get significant AB’s over Shelton (who by anyone’s logic has to at least have a little more chance to be the answer than Botts), then you might have something. Either way, you need somebody to play 1B while Davis gets ready. He’’s the future. If he only gets 38 AB’s, then start bitching.

When you are a one tool player or not a real prospect, you better get it done when you get your chance. Ask David Murphy. If he’d put up Botts numbers last September, he’d be in Oklahoma right now.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 10:01 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That may be fair

But it remains to be seen what they do the rest of the season. Again, it’s not just about Botts. I think the criticisms of his abilities are important. But If BB continues to get significant playing time without showing even more significant improvement, it’s just a sign (to me) that this organization will continue to put band aids on gaping wounds. That is what is so frustrating about being a Rangers fan: the gnawing sense that your team will always flounder in futility. I really thought JD was different (and maybe he is), but I’ve been burned by this team too many times.

And roster management has seemed to be something JD hasn’t always managed well. It’s great if your 40-man is stuffed with excellent players so that when you have to risk sending someone through waivers who may be valuable, that’s just the risk you have to take to protect what is valuable. But to lose someone who may be valuable to protect an aging veteran with ‘a proven track record’ who will not contribute to the future?

I guess (in response to a point you made elsewhere), I’d rather lose the games now for the sake of winning them in the future. I can handle that. This team has too often tried to have it both ways, which has only led to losing games now and in the future. With the exception of a few years in the ‘90s being a Rangers fan for the last 20+ years has been a difficult task. Perhaps I’m codependent.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 11:15 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I hear you, brother

Being a Ranger fan sucks and its easy to react negatively to every move they make, since so many go wrong.

However, both of these guys (BB and Botts) are non-factors to me. Yes, I wish they would have kept Botts on the roster, rather than BB. But, neither are the future, so, if they think that BB can help win them more games this year, then that’s okay with me, I guess.

The biggest thing to me is I just don’t get the passionate love for a guy that’s never really been a prospect and has done anything at the big league level. Especially, when, it is essentially at the expense of a guy that has a better track record at both levels (Shelton). I just don’t see it as a change of philosophy at all.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 12:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What would you say about a 25 yo player

who had in his previous two seasons had batted:

.293/.399/.507 in 481 AB in AA as a 23 yo
.286/.375/.522 in 510 AB in AAA as a 24 yo

Not a prospect?

Guess who that was? Guess who kept on asking why he wasn’t getting a significant shot to play in the majors on a couple of teams who finished 13 and 19 games out of first?

Botts RIGHT NOW is not a prospect. That’s really very little fault of his own since he was given essentially one month to prove himself at this level.

R

by Requiem on Apr 30, 2008 10:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It's clear

That in the Rangers’ eyes, he’s never really been a prospect. He has been looked at as a DH only that was given four different shots to show them something. One of those shots was for two months.

Now, when I say show them something, I don’t mean put up numbers. I mean show them that they are wrong about his swing. That he won’t get dominated by a big league fastball. Show them glimpses of power that make them think twice about sending him down. He never even showed a flash. I’m sorry, if you only have one tool, you aren’t going to get 1000 AB’s to prove yourself at the big league level like everyone here wants him to have. That just doesn’t happen.

It’s not the numbers really. I saw a lot of his at bats and he was fairly consistently dominated. You look at Shelton’s current 0-6 or whatever. He’s looked pretty good in those at bats. He’s been right on some balls and fouled them straight back. He’s hit a couple of balls hard that were caught. He has nothing to show for it, but he’s shown glimpses that he can be a big league hitter.

Botts never did that and disagree with the fact that it is no fault of his own. He had oppurtunities (could some of them have been longer? sure) to show something. He never did. I’ll take a David Murphy, who wasn’t very highly thought of, but took his chance and ran with it over Jason Botts, who by his comments seems to believe that he should have just been handed a job no matter his production.

by badradiorules on May 1, 2008 8:41 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You know what's really strange?

Didn’t JD sorta give Wash an “order” to play Botts over the road trip? That wasn’t much more than a week ago. How does this team go from “play Botts instead of Broussard” to “DFA Botts” in such a short span of time?

I have to wonder if there’s some sort of insider reason we aren’t hearing about, like an article I read earlier this season about a younger pitcher (I wanna say Tejeda) who gave up a walk-off homer and stayed on the mound, thinking he had another batter to face.

Did they just decide that, given our current defensive woes, we don’t have space for another defensive liability? What do you guys think?

by jwiscarson on Apr 30, 2008 9:16 AM CDT   0 recs

Yeah, it is slightly odd

I wonder if they figured Boggs can do pretty much anything Botts can do with the bat at the ML level, but he’s also better defensively…..

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yes

I was going to post the same thing. Grant has an article from 21 April that talked about the meeting between Daniels and Washington. Grant quoted Washington as saying that he was going to try give Botts more AB’s during the road trip (which started on 16 April in Toronto). Previous to this meeting, Botts had 4 AB’s. So this radical change of opinion about Botts came in about a week and a half and 34 AB’s. I don’t think the decision to DFA Botts came from Daniels alone.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Apr 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

That's been kind of bouncing around my head too

Its like there is a power struggle up there, and lots of mixed signals coming out. Not a good sign.

Its like Ryan confronted Wash and said “What is wrong with your team?” Wash said “I am being told who to play by this punk kid” so Ryan says “Okay, we’ll give you a month with the guys you want – DFA Botts…”

by JBImaknee on Apr 30, 2008 9:57 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, it always seems like

in a Tom Hicks organization, you never have folks on the same page. Whether its Fuson/Hart, or Hart/Daniels, or Daniels/Showalter, or Hershiser/Showalter there always seems to be jockeying for position.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 10:00 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

The Ryan Era

“I am being told who to play by this punk kid.” Baseball guys working with baseball guys. You’re seeing the beginning of the new mentality of the Rangers, and it’s centered around Ryan’s direction.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 12:53 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

It'll probably work as well

as Isaiah Thomas’s leadership.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:03 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Based on what?

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

what are you basing your baseless assumption on

heh – kind of a loaded question

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

To me

I think Wash said if you’re gonna hold me accountable for a slow start, then i want to play the guys i want…and that doesn’t include botts.

by SteveP on Apr 30, 2008 12:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'm sick of this dog and pony show...but then again..

I’ve been saying that every year for about 20 years now.

This organization is working my last ulnar nerve!

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 9:54 AM CDT   0 recs

Botts may never...

amount to a great major league hitter, but i feel bad for him, and it illustrates what’s wrong with the Rangers. He made the team out of spring training but they never played him. Once they finally started playing him he has a couple of bad games and they take him back out. The reason seems to be that the powers that be are scared to alienate the fan base further (what fan base?) and can’t totally commit to the rebuilding mind set. The A’s have gone all in (Frank Thomas excepted) and are winning. They’ve told their young guys, ‘this is your team, no one is expecting you to win, so go out there and prove ‘em wrong.’ Again, Botts might not turn into Travis Hafner but it’s safe to say he never got a chance here.

-Brought to you by chocolate cookies with white stuff in-between.

by jcAustin on Apr 30, 2008 10:01 AM CD