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Another game yesterday ruined by a crappy Jason Jennings outing. 

Jennings left with an irritated ulnar nerve, although there's no indication right now as to whether or not he'll miss his next start, much less go on the d.l.

Jason Botts wants out of the Rangers organization, and wants a "fresh start" elsewhere.  Can't say that I blame him.  The Rangers have bent over backwards over the past couple of years to avoid playing him, but have also kept him on the 40 man roster.  That said, I'll be surprised if he doesn't end up clearing waivers.

Y'all know my feelings on Botts.  The most troubling thing about this move, to me, is the fact that the Rangers feel that they need to try to save the season, as Evan Grant suggests, despite supposedly rebuilding.  If this is a rebuilding season, you need to go with Botts for longer than 38 ABs.  And if you want to see Chris Shelton -- who, for what it is worth, is only a month older than Botts -- then Ben Broussard seems to make more sense to go on the chopping block, given that he's been terrible at every aspect of the game this season.

And Jon Daniels and Ron Washington met yesterday.  It doesn't appear Washington is being fired this week.

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Broussard

I think it’s got to be his salary that saved him.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 30, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that's a bad reason, though

You might be right, but that salary is a sunk cost. Unless they think Broussard is truly the better option, they need to eat it and move on. Same with Jennings.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 MM

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep,

its the dumbest reason of all.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree it's dumb...but...

I wonder if the hope is that if Broussard could somehow improve enough in May/June that they could trade off at least part of his contract to a contender.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The money is already spent...

...don’t let the decision to acquire him hurt you twice.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well we know its definately not...

his glove or his bat, thats for sure.

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

remember all that talk over the winter?

about not blocking their own guys with over-the-hill marginal vets anymore?

Guys with a swing like Botts need consistent playing time to get in a groove. He was (deliberately) deprived of that opportunity by Washington.

In his last 16 plate appearances, Botts gave the Rangers 6 walks, a home run and a double. I think he was about to get locked in (historicallly, big walk numbers anticipate a Botts breakout).

In 80 plate appearances this year, Broussard has given the Rangers 5 walks, three homers and no doubles. Plus, he sucks.

Plus, this boils down to a guy who should not have a job and won’t be here in a year (Washington) calling the shots and getting his way with another guy who shouldn’t have a job and won’t be here in a year (Broussard).

by bronco28 on Apr 30, 2008 8:58 AM CDT reply actions   1 recs

+infinity

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome take

i couldnt have said it any better myself.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This orginization

does not know how to rebuild. and, this is why we have no hope for a couple years from now which is what they always say. We’ll compete in 2 years. Well, they never do because they don’t know how go through the growing pains of a young player. It makes me sick to see the players the rangers give away just before they make it to the bigs. It also makes me sick to think of what is going to happen with the current crop of youngs players on the cusp.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 8:59 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rising concern

I keep thinking back to Adam’s recent post about the plan vs. the implementation. Daniels seems to have the right idea about how to rebuild on a theoretical level, but the implementation makes no sense. Botts may well have failed if given the chance, but it makes no sense to ‘save the season’ if that disrupts the building process, esp. to keep a one-year reclamation project like BB on board. As always with this team, the short-term trumps the long-term…and the long term never really seems to improve.

And NothinG is so right. What are we going to do when all this promising prospects start to break in. Sigh.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 9:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who exact is being blocked by

Broussard and Shelton? Davis isn’t ready.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he's saying

why would we ever expect any different when the awesome prospects in frisco A+ and A ball are ready. are the gonna dick them around and never give them consistent playing time like they did with botts?

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

This organization seems to have trouble really committing to youth. It seems to want to commit to break in one or two while fielding a respectable team in the meantime. In an organization that had been well run over time, that would be an excellent approach. But the Hart era devastated this organization, and I’m not convinced the current leadership understands fully what it takes to implement the good ideas it has about rebuilding. It’s not Botts per se; rather it’s this Botts decision is indicative of a larger problem, and it creates worries about the future.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 11:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What youth?

Thats the problem. We are in rebuilding mode but our major league team is not ready for it yet. The reason is we don’t have prospects who are ready to be thrown into the fire. Who are the young guys we should be playing this year that are stuck in AAA behind a veteran? In reality the only one is/was Salty. Hurley isn’t ready. Davis, Andrus, Ramirez, Harrison all aren’t ready. BOTTS IS NOT A YOUNG PLAYER ANYMORE. You can’t say we can’t commit to youth when we don’t have youth to commit to. Thank you John Hart for that. I believe we have committed to guys like Kinsler, Young, Blalock, and Tex when they were young. Now yes in the next few months and over the next couple years when our young guys are ready then we can argue about not committing to youth if older players are blocking them. But as it stands right now there aren’t.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

Botts is younger than BB and is more likely to contribute to the longer term good of the team (even if that likelihood isn’t particularly overhwhelming). And then there are the young players this team gave up on (through trades or roster issues): C. Young, Galarraga, Kozlowski come to mind. Of course Koz didn’t pan out and Galarraga may be a flash in the pan, but why did we risk losing them? Shouldn’t they have been given time to develop if we are rebuilding?

And it’s precisely because Hart left us in such bad shape that we shouldn’t be holding on to the BBs of the world and should give Botts a real chance of playing everyday for a good length of time. If he flops, move on; but maybe he’ll contribute to this team in a way the BBs of the world never will.

On a better run team the Botts move would be a minor issue, but with this team’s history it’s all too indicative of fundamental organizational problems…or a curse. We’re not even close to the stage when adding a vet to fill a hole makes much sense when you at least have the possibility of plugging in someone with more upside, no matter how small that upside may be.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please stop...

with the Botts is not a young player anymore. We get it. He is however younger than BB. All any of us Botts supporters wanted was for him to get 400 AB’s in one season when there is nothing to lose. If he sucks after that then fine move on.

28 isn’t exactly retirement age either.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bascially,

The Hicks factor breaks in, he wants them to try to PRETEND to win now because he knows already, that losing only causes empy seats at the ballpark, and this will always be a factor, the Hicks factor. So, rebuilding or not, they will always sign the cheap one year deals and try to pretend they are competing to keep the turnstill turning.

by SanDiegoKev on Apr 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TR

Good stuff. His column reflects my thoughts about the Washington situation almost exactly.

A new manager, no matter who it is, inherits the same old problems and if you veer away from the long-range plan now, you run serious risk of falling back into the same painful rut that put the Rangers in this situation. The vicious cycle just begins anew and there are no shortcuts…They have committed to a long-term plan of attack and a new manager is not going to accelerate the process. The more likely danger is another 180 degree turn for the worse.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But our Washington doesn't

seem onboard at all with the long-term plan.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What keeps the vicious cycle going

is committing to bad veterans like Broussard and Jennings.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that doesn't help

That’s true, but the bigger risk I think is another change of direction by Hicks. Cutting Washington lose would be the first step in a process that could lead to Daniels getting fired and abandonment of his rebuilding plan.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

they don’t appear to be going in a direction of rebuilding when folks like Jennings, Broussard, Cat, etc. get playing time. Who the manager is will be irrelevant if you waste PT on those stiffs.

Switching managers does less damage to rebuilding than playing mediocre vets instead of younger players.

It’s difficult to see much rebuilding actually going on with Washington managing.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

perhaps

But at least Washington is a Daniels hire and (presumably) is somewhat responsive to what Daniels has to say. If you replace Washington with a Ryan hire, that manager will answer to Ryan and Daniels will be effectively shut out. I’ve seen nothing to suggest that Ryan cares about Daniels’ long-term plan, so I just think that could be the beginning of the end. I hear what you’re saying, but in this case I see it as a devil you know/devil you don’t situation.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe because

I see Washington’s responsibility in playing Big Bad Ben Broussard, but I honestly see no committment to development with him. I honestly have trouble understanding what Washington brings to the table. His reputation before he came here was his defensive coaching, and I am seeing a lot of Rangers players move backwards defensively.

Overall, I’m not concerned about a huge hiccup in the organization getting rid of him.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings, Cat

Who would you replace them with?

There just isn’t much starting pitching depth in the high minors.

Plus, Cat needs to play to gain trade value.

I think the truth is this year hasn’t started. The real rebuilding began in July, and will continue when other trades happen this year.

If Laird, Cat, Byrd and even Shelton and Broussard get moved or cut, it allows Boggs to stay as a 4th outfielder (though that begs the question of whether he’d be better off playing everyday in OKC), Davis is the 1B, and it even allows Max and Saltalamacchia to alternate between C and DH.

I want to give JD until the trade deadline to make the roster leaner of veterans, and plug the first wave of youth into place.

And way before guillotining Wash, let’s make sure the youth is actually ready to play. To use one example, Davis is still a K machine at Frisco.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Apr 30, 2008 9:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings and Cat

“There just isn’t much starting pitching depth in the high minors.”

Whoa, Nellie, I thought the great JD has stocked the Rangers farm system with prospects out the ass and now you tell me there just isn’t much starting pitching in the high minors? Next, you’re gonna tell me the Easter Bunny died.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Apr 30, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

most of the higher ceiling arms

are in the low minors, so it’s not a contradiction to say that and still say that Daniels has restocked the farm.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 30, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who should be playing instead of

Jennings, Broussard, Cat, etc?

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2008 10:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gallaraga, Botts, and cruz...

we suck. we will suck for the next 2 or 3 seasons. see what the hell you have with these young cheap guys and whose worth keeping before you blow 12M bucks on a bunch of guys who wont help you contend anyway.

its called rebuilding. all 3 of those guys you listed should never have been on this team from the second they signed here. JD should have known that. Wash cant be blamed for playing guys that his general manager gives him. to piss away that much money all while being cheap in so many other ways….

wash is an idiot who cant manage and isnt implementing any sort of long term plan, but more and more as the roster management continues to suck ass, im putting it all on JD. If he’s gone by the end of the season, im OK with that. you never coulda convinced me of that at the end of last season

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jayslick

I’m still laughing about the puke picture last night. That visual is burned into my comedy memory forever. God bless you, sir.

"Sex is not a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults." - Hank Kingsley

by EssBee on Apr 30, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

much love thanks

although i will say a couple were flipped out in a rather touchy way. its like they’ve spent hours puking their guts out or cleaning it up recently.

heh.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Easy

C: Salty/Laird (Salt getting more of the PT)
1B: Botts (Davis isn’t ready, and Botts could’ve used more PA’s)
2B: Kinsler
SS: Young
3B: Blalock
OF: Murphy/Hamilton/Cruz
DH: Shelton

Util IF’s: Duran/Vazquez
Util OF: Boggs

Guys who really don’t need to be here:
Cat, Bradley, Byrd, maybe even Laird.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why Bradley?

We may have stumbled on a guy that can hold down a corner spot for a few seasons or, at the very least, bring us a nice return at the trade deadline. I think he has a realistic chance of being here and contributing in a big way over the next few years, especially with his disciplined plate approach.

And Cruz has always raked at AAA. It’s just up in the bigs that he has issues. He has appeared in a full season’s worth of games and has a 73 OPS+. I’d rather have Bradley’s predictable production out in RF the next few years than suffer through 300 more PA’s from Cruz.

by Athos on Apr 30, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right on Bradley.

I like Milton, but I just don’t think he’ll be here after the deadline if he keeps out of trouble. He’s about a month away from consistent OF play, and here’s hoping he stays healthy after that.

I still feel Cruz should get just one more shot though, I haven’t lost all hope yet.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't take into account consistently terrible game management on Washington's part...

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on Apr 30, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "salvage the season" reaction is for business reason

The front office does not want to disintegrate the fan base by letting the season get out of hand.

However, I would think any “fanbase” we lose that way would probably be very easy to recover once we field a winning team. However, by trying to cater to the more fickle fans through hole pluggers, not playing younger future players when they are ready, and not giving enough looks to question marks, it probably pisses off those more loyal fan base a whole lot more. More importantly, it is going to dramatically slow the rebuilding process.

by Telegraph on Apr 30, 2008 9:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

honestly

at this point is it even possible to kill the fan base any more?

Every loss is one step closer to the top of the draft in 2009!

by knockoutking on Apr 30, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a big Botts fan

I suspect his upside might be to be what Cat is now. A marginal platoon hitter with no defensive ability.

However, that being said, I still don’t understand the Broussard fascination. As I said during spring training, he is a butcher in the field, he can’t hit, and they are paying him way too much. He will not help you win today, he will not help you win in the future.

However, it is also tough to get on board with all the hubbub over cutting Botts. He’s 28, he can’t field, and he hasn’t been able to hit. Personally, I would have given him ABs to at least Memorial Day or maybe the Fourth of July, but its easy to see in closed door meetings, Rudy telling them he doesn’t think he will ever be a big time hitter.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 9:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree

I don’t understand why everyone here thinks that the only way to evaluate a player is to gift wrap 500 + at bats for them. Yes, the Rangers have made some poor judgement calls in the past, but they obviously have never considered Botts a prospect at any point. He never even showed flashes at the big league level that would lead you to believe that he is an impact bat.

Would I have rather they dump BB, absolutely. However, I’m not the least bit worked up over losing a guy that IF he really pans out, might put up the kind of big league numbers that the guy that just replaced him has.

People are acting like this is why the organization sucks. This move ranks very low on the scale of why this organization sucks. This really has nothing to do with the rebuilding process. HE”S 28 and is not part of the future either. They think BB and Shelton will be better down the stretch for this season. Fine.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 9:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The guy hit really

well in all levels of the minor leagues. I think that makes him a prospect. 38 abs and half of those didn’t come consistently. Botts needs more time. I don’t care if he doesn’t pan out but this upside is there to give a shot for longer than 38abs or even 240 or so over 4 years. That is not much of a chance either.

all i wanted was to see a COMMITMENT to rebuilding. part of that is giving your younger or potentially better players a shot.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm sick of the talk, i want to see the walk

i’m sad to say but this org is all talk

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on Apr 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rebuilding

This doesn’t change the rebuilding plan at all. Botts was not part of the future here. Rebuilding or not, you have a responsibility to try to win SOME games? Not to continue to gift wrap ABs to a guy that has never earned them, in the hopes that MAYBE he can crack the .700 OPS mark.

It is so easy to find guys that are Botts at his ceilng, its not worth watching him strike out every other at bat and not hit for any power in the DH spot or watch him play first base like Lurch from the Adams Family.

If you really think that his minor league numbers indicate that he is a prospect at his age, then you should be happy today, because he has been replaced by a guy that is the same age, has a better minor league track record and MUCH better big league numbers.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may rank low

But it’s still yet another sign that things are not right with this organization. That’s the real problem. If it were a one-time or rare deal I don’t think people would care that much. Botts probably never will be a Hafner. But sticking with Broussard-bringing him on board in the first place even-is just more evidence that this organization does not understand what it takes to rebuild. That’s the real point in all this, not Botts per so.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

I don’t get the feeling that Botts has EVER been considered by this team as a long term option at DH/1B. If that’s the case, the signing of BB or the DFA of Botts, doesn’t veer off the path of rebuilding at all. Now, if BB continues to get significant AB’s over Shelton (who by anyone’s logic has to at least have a little more chance to be the answer than Botts), then you might have something. Either way, you need somebody to play 1B while Davis gets ready. He’’s the future. If he only gets 38 AB’s, then start bitching.

When you are a one tool player or not a real prospect, you better get it done when you get your chance. Ask David Murphy. If he’d put up Botts numbers last September, he’d be in Oklahoma right now.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That may be fair

But it remains to be seen what they do the rest of the season. Again, it’s not just about Botts. I think the criticisms of his abilities are important. But If BB continues to get significant playing time without showing even more significant improvement, it’s just a sign (to me) that this organization will continue to put band aids on gaping wounds. That is what is so frustrating about being a Rangers fan: the gnawing sense that your team will always flounder in futility. I really thought JD was different (and maybe he is), but I’ve been burned by this team too many times.

And roster management has seemed to be something JD hasn’t always managed well. It’s great if your 40-man is stuffed with excellent players so that when you have to risk sending someone through waivers who may be valuable, that’s just the risk you have to take to protect what is valuable. But to lose someone who may be valuable to protect an aging veteran with ‘a proven track record’ who will not contribute to the future?

I guess (in response to a point you made elsewhere), I’d rather lose the games now for the sake of winning them in the future. I can handle that. This team has too often tried to have it both ways, which has only led to losing games now and in the future. With the exception of a few years in the ‘90s being a Rangers fan for the last 20+ years has been a difficult task. Perhaps I’m codependent.

by rodinuk on Apr 30, 2008 11:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hear you, brother

Being a Ranger fan sucks and its easy to react negatively to every move they make, since so many go wrong.

However, both of these guys (BB and Botts) are non-factors to me. Yes, I wish they would have kept Botts on the roster, rather than BB. But, neither are the future, so, if they think that BB can help win them more games this year, then that’s okay with me, I guess.

The biggest thing to me is I just don’t get the passionate love for a guy that’s never really been a prospect and has done anything at the big league level. Especially, when, it is essentially at the expense of a guy that has a better track record at both levels (Shelton). I just don’t see it as a change of philosophy at all.

by badradiorules on Apr 30, 2008 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would you say about a 25 yo player

who had in his previous two seasons had batted:

.293/.399/.507 in 481 AB in AA as a 23 yo
.286/.375/.522 in 510 AB in AAA as a 24 yo

Not a prospect?

Guess who that was? Guess who kept on asking why he wasn’t getting a significant shot to play in the majors on a couple of teams who finished 13 and 19 games out of first?

Botts RIGHT NOW is not a prospect. That’s really very little fault of his own since he was given essentially one month to prove himself at this level.

R

by Requiem on Apr 30, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's clear

That in the Rangers’ eyes, he’s never really been a prospect. He has been looked at as a DH only that was given four different shots to show them something. One of those shots was for two months.

Now, when I say show them something, I don’t mean put up numbers. I mean show them that they are wrong about his swing. That he won’t get dominated by a big league fastball. Show them glimpses of power that make them think twice about sending him down. He never even showed a flash. I’m sorry, if you only have one tool, you aren’t going to get 1000 AB’s to prove yourself at the big league level like everyone here wants him to have. That just doesn’t happen.

It’s not the numbers really. I saw a lot of his at bats and he was fairly consistently dominated. You look at Shelton’s current 0-6 or whatever. He’s looked pretty good in those at bats. He’s been right on some balls and fouled them straight back. He’s hit a couple of balls hard that were caught. He has nothing to show for it, but he’s shown glimpses that he can be a big league hitter.

Botts never did that and disagree with the fact that it is no fault of his own. He had oppurtunities (could some of them have been longer? sure) to show something. He never did. I’ll take a David Murphy, who wasn’t very highly thought of, but took his chance and ran with it over Jason Botts, who by his comments seems to believe that he should have just been handed a job no matter his production.

by badradiorules on May 1, 2008 8:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what's really strange?

Didn’t JD sorta give Wash an “order” to play Botts over the road trip? That wasn’t much more than a week ago. How does this team go from “play Botts instead of Broussard” to “DFA Botts” in such a short span of time?

I have to wonder if there’s some sort of insider reason we aren’t hearing about, like an article I read earlier this season about a younger pitcher (I wanna say Tejeda) who gave up a walk-off homer and stayed on the mound, thinking he had another batter to face.

Did they just decide that, given our current defensive woes, we don’t have space for another defensive liability? What do you guys think?

by jwiscarson on Apr 30, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it is slightly odd

I wonder if they figured Boggs can do pretty much anything Botts can do with the bat at the ML level, but he’s also better defensively…..

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 30, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I was going to post the same thing. Grant has an article from 21 April that talked about the meeting between Daniels and Washington. Grant quoted Washington as saying that he was going to try give Botts more AB’s during the road trip (which started on 16 April in Toronto). Previous to this meeting, Botts had 4 AB’s. So this radical change of opinion about Botts came in about a week and a half and 34 AB’s. I don’t think the decision to DFA Botts came from Daniels alone.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Apr 30, 2008 9:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's been kind of bouncing around my head too

Its like there is a power struggle up there, and lots of mixed signals coming out. Not a good sign.

Its like Ryan confronted Wash and said “What is wrong with your team?” Wash said “I am being told who to play by this punk kid” so Ryan says “Okay, we’ll give you a month with the guys you want – DFA Botts…”

by JBImaknee on Apr 30, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, it always seems like

in a Tom Hicks organization, you never have folks on the same page. Whether its Fuson/Hart, or Hart/Daniels, or Daniels/Showalter, or Hershiser/Showalter there always seems to be jockeying for position.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Ryan Era

“I am being told who to play by this punk kid.” Baseball guys working with baseball guys. You’re seeing the beginning of the new mentality of the Rangers, and it’s centered around Ryan’s direction.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'll probably work as well

as Isaiah Thomas’s leadership.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on what?

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what are you basing your baseless assumption on

heh – kind of a loaded question

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To me

I think Wash said if you’re gonna hold me accountable for a slow start, then i want to play the guys i want…and that doesn’t include botts.

by SteveP on Apr 30, 2008 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm sick of this dog and pony show...but then again..

I’ve been saying that every year for about 20 years now.

This organization is working my last ulnar nerve!

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 9:54 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Botts may never...

amount to a great major league hitter, but i feel bad for him, and it illustrates what’s wrong with the Rangers. He made the team out of spring training but they never played him. Once they finally started playing him he has a couple of bad games and they take him back out. The reason seems to be that the powers that be are scared to alienate the fan base further (what fan base?) and can’t totally commit to the rebuilding mind set. The A’s have gone all in (Frank Thomas excepted) and are winning. They’ve told their young guys, ‘this is your team, no one is expecting you to win, so go out there and prove ‘em wrong.’ Again, Botts might not turn into Travis Hafner but it’s safe to say he never got a chance here.

-Brought to you by chocolate cookies with white stuff in-between.

by jcAustin on Apr 30, 2008 10:01 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

2004

It seems like we took that mentality in 2004 and it worked. Why not try it again?

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on Apr 30, 2008 10:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep, third place never felt so good...

...2004 was a fun season but I’d gladly suffer through a couple of 90+ loss seasons if I thought there was a serious commitment to a long term plan in motion.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 11:02 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Although this whole saga

of acquiring redundant first baseman and giving themselves a stupid roster problem is disturbing, I have a really hard time crying for Botts who simply did not produce in any of his opportunities. Yes, you can say he should have a lengthy and consistent trial at some point, but he didn’t look good enough in any of his stints to force their hand.

This whole thing reflects badly on Daniels, though. There is just no reason for Broussard to be here after you acquire Shelton. And there really is no reason to DFA Botts right now. You could have waited another month without any ill effects on the long term plan.

All this roster mismanagement makes me worry more about his ability to handle the tough decisions when all the talent starts reaching the higher levels. If they can’t get their act together to keep the right players then how on earth are they going to have the flexibility to acquire needed pieces during a contention window?

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 30, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My problem with the Botts situation...

(and I’m sure this has been touched on)

is that it just goes to show that the whole organization is being mismanaged right now. Sending Botts down could not have just been a Washington decision. I don’t think Hicks or Ryan would get involved to make that call either. This one is definitely on Daniels.

Adam has suggested that there are indicators that Washington has been “managing scared.” I think this is an indicator that Daniels is “general managing scared.”

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Apr 30, 2008 10:10 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

similar to my view

One of the reasons I like Daniels is that I felt he had a plan and was willing to see it through. Stuff like this makes me worry that he’ll try to take damaging short cuts when the team gets closer to contending.

Of course, we’re all forgetting that it may have been Daniels who did not want Botts on the roster in the first place. We’ve all assumed it was Daniels sticking up for Botts, but despite his pushing Wash to play him more, that may not be the case. Daniels seems to like well-rounded players, valuing defense and speed, and Botts is one dimensional.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Apr 30, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brandon Boggs

Really impressed me last night. Hopefully he does alright over the next couple weeks.

by OKC Ranger Fan on Apr 30, 2008 10:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He looked good

at the plate. Comfortable, didn’t overswing. RW might actually give him some playing time.

Max Ramirez 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Apr 30, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yep

Boggsy got right to business alright!

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

but be prepared for his DFA when Washington gets his way again and the bring Sosa back

by bronco28 on Apr 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

?????????

What makes you think that is going to happen. Hicks is to cheap for that. Remember he wanted $7M to re-sign with Texas over the winter.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ON BOTTS, BB AND SHELTON

I’m seeing things like this. Botts has had 8 years to prove that he can’t get the job against ML pitchers. And that’s against them in our home park which is tailor made for left-handed batters. Shelton may prove to be have the same problem, although I still remember April ‘06, when he went on an absolute tear at RBIA. He also brings much improved defense to the table. BB should be shelved as an extremely bad investment, and DFA’d or put on the bench as an extreme emergency backup. For what I don’t have a clue.
I agree with tdi1985, that JD and Wash both seem to be managing scared. Nolan is one of my heroes, but if he and Hicks are going to pull the string, then pull it and lets get back to being the joke of the MLB. If not leave them the HELL alone and lets get back to the plan set forth last July.
Honestly I don’t see Bradley being here next year, as either a RF or DH. He and Cat are the stopgap until Ellison ond Arias are rady to come up. Not even sure that MB and Cat will be here after July 31, either through trade or DFA. That will open the spots on the 40-man, and bringing Arias up will allow MY to get more time at 3B/DH.
In short, Botts and BB are not the future of this team. Shelton, maybe. But only until Davis gets his K/BB under control.
And, as for Blalock, and in defense of MY. With a third trip to the DL in two years, Blalock’s
trade value will be low, especially with a $9M option next year. It is my belief that he will be lost to FA, or be granted arbitration in October. In defense of MY. I have racked my brain, and in 3 years, the only time I can remember MY missing a start, was for the birth of his son Mateo, in 2006. I can’t even remember a trip to the DL. HIs only problem is that he was signed long-term to be the face of the team, and with that, and the exit of Tex, he has to step up and be the leader in the clubhouse. He has certainly earned it.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 10:43 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

-1

8 years? Really?

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Yes. He was the 46th round pick in the 1999 draft by Texas.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So from day one...

...he was proving incapable of hitting major league pitching?

So by that logic has Chris Davis spent almost two years proving he can’t hit major league pitching since to date he has zero major league hits?

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No its not…Botts also had 240 AB’s over 4 seasons in ML. To date Davis hasn’t one ML AB. Until last night, Boggs hadn’t had any either. Granted 3 PA’s doesn’t make him the next Bambino.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:25 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So then he's had parts of...

...4 years. Certainly a significant amount of time but hardly 8 years.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So how much more time do you give him????? Espacially when we have younger players that are ready at AAA, i.e. Boggs.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It may have been time but...

...I was just pointing out that it wasn’t 8 years.

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 11:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Point taken....

but my point is that he’s had the time to get ready for the Bigs and he just couldn’t get it done. And keeping him at any level was holding up spots for younger players. Guess I didn’t convey that very well.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Getting ready?

Hasn’t he batted a career .340 in the minors with an OPS of somethign like .980? Does that not show that you’re ready?

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Normally...

you would think so. But the stats did follow him south of the red river

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What it shows

Is that he tears up minor league pitching. Nothing more

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

what’s the magic number of ABs then?

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

300 ABs

and if you don’t have a .280 average with a 850+ops you’re done?

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There isn't one

You watch him and you can see he is overwhelmed with major league pitching. he can’t catch up to a mediocre fastball, he doesn’t hit for power on a consistant enough basis, and he strikes out a ton. Major leaguers shouldn’t have to be handed a certain amount of at bats to find out if they are good or not. The good ones capitalize on the ones they get from the start. Botts isn’t a good one.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should they

not at least get to hit 3-4 days in row?

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He did

After his one good game this year in Toronto he started 7 of the next 11 games and played in 10 of those. He hit .138 over 29 ABs with a .310 SLG. He had a nice OBP but coming from a guy you project as a DH I need more than walks.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah hah!

We’ve got the solution! And this is the reason why Hafner, Lamb, Galarraga, Doug Davis, Chris Young, Adrian Gonzalez, Justin Duchsherer(?) et al are playing for other teams and playing well, with Jason Botts to follow. Botts NEVER looks good at the plate. He takes weak swings, he watches called third strikes, he looks lost in the field and on the base paths at times. He doesn’t LOOK like a ball player. David Murphy does, as does Kinsler (most of the time) and FOTF MY. Broussard may suck, but at least he LOOK’s like a ball player. Good thing we never traded for Manny Ramirez. He’d have been DFA’ed.

go back and look at a stat line and quit watching the game!

by iblum on Apr 30, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except

Doug Davis was a sub 5 ERA, .500 winning pitcher with us.
Chris Young was 15-9 with a 107 ERA with us.
Mike Lamb was a .300 hitter with us (although he couldn’t throw a lick at 3B and also couldn’t throw a lick with the Astros).

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by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur...

8 years to show he can’t hit ML pitching? That’s a stupid statement.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 5:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

hasn’t had 200 major league ABs. And the scattered ABs he has had has come in parts of 4 years. I’d love to see the O’s pick him up and plug him into the DH for the rest of the year. We’re rebuilding (hopefully, but you never know with Angelos) and it might work and it might not but it would get Millar out of the 4 hole.

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah he has

He’s had almost 300 career ABs

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected...

he’s had 282 with 38 coming this year. I still think he needs to be up for an extended period and given everyday ABs.

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Random

but I’m assuming Salty starts over Laird tonight?

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:05 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Benny B

I wasn’t too bothered by trading for BB as long as he didn’t block people and muck things up. Same with Sosa last year. But now we’re in the exact same situation as last year. Wash needs to get with the program and JD needs to implement the plan.

I understand JD/Nolan’s goal to rebuild while staying competitive, but I don’t think the Rangers are good enough to do that. The only way that can happen is with a higher payroll in which teams reload from the minors while signing key FAs. The Rangers have too many holes to fill through FA, and even if they tried, they’d kill their draft.

The Rangers just need to bite the bullet. Honestly, I think more fans would come to the ballpark to see a team lose that has young players with potential than a mediocre team with no upside. At least I would. I keep watching more and more KC and D-Ray games over the last couple seasons. They’re more exciting than Toronto or Seattle.

What happened to my old signature?

by WyoRanger on Apr 30, 2008 11:07 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

3 PA’s is a small sample, but it was good to see Boggs at the plate last night.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

he did get a hit from each side of the plate if I recall correctly.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Apr 30, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

cat and whiffy

was it cat or whiffy that played 1st last year after Tex was traded? I think it was Whiffy. I don’t recall him making any tremendous blunders there. If it was Whiffy it is a mute point as he is gone.

yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Apr 30, 2008 11:13 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It's just odd...

that the front office doesn’t see the problem here.

It’s simple: Let the fanbase know you’re rebuilding, but you’d like to see what kind of success this team has in the early months of the season. Stockpile your mediocre veterans in the offseason. If April is a total failure, you slowly begin the phasing out of low-risk low-dollar contracts. You replace those players with your young talent and say “Here’s your shot, this season is most likely down the drain. We currently do not have any veteran players who will steal your spot. Make the most of it and show me this team will be a winner in the future.”

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:31 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Actually

They have…but they have never, or flat refuse, to use the word rebuilding, fearing that it will turn fans away.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which is why we need an owner with testicles.

The fan base walked away from this team about 5 years ago.

It’s better to lose 7-3 with youth than 6-4 with Ben Broussard and Frank Catalanotto.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What young players?

The problem is we don’t have any young players who are ready to be thrown to the wolves. Salty is and hopefully he gets his shot to play. Botts isn’t in the young player category anymore. Davis, Andrus, Harrison, Ramirez are all not ready. Hopefully some of them will be in the coming months and when they are they get a shot but you can’t say we don’t give our young guys a chance when they aren’t ready to be given their chance

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salty/Botts/Boggs/Cruz/Duran even

Some might not be young, but they have higher ceilings than say… Ben Broussard or Frank Catalanotto.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would rather watch Cruz

strikeout, than Catalanotto double to left. I’m not joking either.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

HE ISNT YOUNG. Jesus Christ people. The guy isn’t a young player anymore. Neither is Cruz. Boggs and Duran have less than a month above AA combined. Its great that they are here but they should be down in OKC getting at bats everyday and working on their games.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

READ BRO

“Some might NOT be young”

but here’s the kicker! HE’S HOMEGROWN. Broussard is a junk contract!

This is exactly the attitude that runs this organization into the ground. We don’t let young guys or homegrown talentstruggle! We pamper them WAY too much.

Sosa can suck all year and play everyday until September, Broussard will get too much PT for his ability too. Wilkerson? Brad Fullmer? Beuler?

Let’s say Salty is hitting Mendoza come June, you think he’s still here? No, he’s OKC. Botts? Fuck, don’t play him, send him down, DFA him.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Homegrown

I could care less about “homegrown” or not. Give me the best player. Same with all this whining about Chris Young being a Dallas kid. Who cares where someone grew up or if we drafted them or not. If they can’t play they can’t play. Sure ideally I would love for every one of our draft picks to pan out and make it to the major leagues but that doesn’t happen. And if we acquire a young player like David Murphy who is better than our “homegrown” player Jason Botts I want Murphy out there. Its past time for the Botts lovers out there to face reality. The guy is a AAAA player.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love Murphy

and if you read an earlier post of mine, he should start everyday. Botts should be taking any AB’s Broussard or Shelton get from here on out. In fact, he should probably be getting Milton Bradley’s PT at DH w/ Shelton @ 1B.

What I’m saying is: Get rid of Cat, Get rid of Broussard. Why waste space with Broussard when MAYBE Botts can turn that corner?

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you're not a Botts guy...

but who would you rather playing during a sunk-year? Botts/Shelton (DH/1B) who MAY surprise or Broussard/Bradley? Neither player has a long future with this team, so why bother?

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Botts still sucks...

at least we took a good, long, consistent look, and you still have Chris Davis coming up. If Broussard sucks, he sucks, we knew that would happen. You still have Davis, but you’ve essentially wasted any opportunity to see if Botts might be worth it. Get it?

Botts got a shot alright, just not a very good one. It was like Washington tied his arms to his penis, placed a bat in his hands and said “You better start hitting.”

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that sounds painful!

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

167 AB's

That is the number he had last year after being called up in Aug. His line was .240/.326/.335. I would call that consistent AB’s, and showed that he shouldn’t have been on the 40-man out of ST.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 12:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ROFLMAO

“It was like Washington tied his arms to his penis, placed a bat in his hands and said "You better start hitting."

I have to admit I spewed Ditet DP outta my nose over this line.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ignoring the fact

that when you arent competitive pissing away money on “better” guys like BB and Cat hurts your long term rebuilding efforts. it diverts funds from other areas of the organization that cant afford to not be spent on in an effort to rebuild.

the difference between winning 65 games and 75 games isnt worth 12M bucks being diverted from scouting foriegn FA signings and draft pool money so you can sign BB and Cat every stinkin offseason and pray for a quick turn around.

its bad business.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+.5

Not to impressed with our accomplishments in the Asian FA market. So far we .333 on that front. Chan Ho was bad, and Akinori Otsuka was good. And right now I see that we are getting from Hicks/ JD what the latest Asian aquisition’s name implies. Fuk-u-mor…....i

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chan Ho and Aki were not "Asian FA's"

A.) Chan Ho was already a major league ballplayer. We didn’t sign him from KOREA. Otsuka was also a serviced MLBer.

B.) Otsuka was trade, not FA signing.

C.) If you want to go that route, you could also add Hideki Irabu.

Fukumori sucks, and the signing still puzzles me.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 12:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+100

I’d rather see Murphy out there from another franchise, than a guy who can’t hit or field who is homegrown.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

yep Doubly Do-Right rocks!!

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

we will see alot of those names in Arlington after July 31, oras part of the Sept. call-ups, assuming JD can figure how to get them on the 40-man

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never said anything about those players

obviously Andrus and the like won’t be coming up. I’m not saying you rush anyone.. I’m saying you find out what your mid-level prospects have in the Majors by letting them play. Having Broussard hit 30 HR’s this season would mean absolutely nothing if we don’t win. You let the big contracts play with the mid-level youth.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

If you rush anyone it is your top notch can’t miss prospects who, even if they struggle initially, you know they will be stars in the league for years to come. Your mid level prospects earn their promotions and playing time and follow the David Murphy path. Produce when given the opportunity or become the next jason Botts

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about?

.293/.399/.507 in 481 AB in AA as a 23 yo
.286/.375/.522 in 510 AB in AAA as a 24 yo

is not deserving or earning a promotion?

Yet guess how many at-bat Botts received the next year in the majors? 50 AB.

Guess what he did in AAA that year? .309/.398/.582

And I would definitely NOT rush your can’t miss prospects.

1) You start the arb. time clock on them way too early by rushing them.
2) You might stunt their growth by forcing them into bad habits to try and “produce” at the major league level and putting extra pressure.
3) You don’t get the best years out of them if you rush them (cf. Carlos Gomez and the Twins).

IMO, it’s a very bad thing to rush your best prospects. Now that’s a different story if they have nothing more to prove at the level just below.

R

by Requiem on Apr 30, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

Well he wasn’t on the 40 man roster yet as a 23 year old so promoting him would require them to add him which would have made last year his last option year. That may actually have been the best thing since he would have made the team over Sosa and we could have seen him spare us to death for the whole year and all this stuff this year wouldn’t have happened. Back to the original point. As a 24 year old he was on the 40 man for the first time and he did earn a promotion in September when rosters were expanded. That is the normal progression for prospects. The first year on the 40 man they get called up in September. Now yes the suber uber prospects get called up before that but Botts was never one of those. He did well back in 05 as a 24 year old in September which earned him a callup midseason in 06 (the 50 ABs you mention). If he would have done better than .220/ .317/ .360 with one home run he may have stayed longer. But he didn’t.

As to your point about the can’t miss prospect I don’t think the Rangers are a team that worries about the service clock. As much as people want to paint us as a tight team money wise we are not Tampa Bay-esque when it comes to our young players. Im all for all prospects to conquer each level before coming up but the highly thought of top prospects can be pushed a little earlier than say your average middle of the road prospect.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 10:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doug Mathis

Is there a reason he isn’t up here already to take Jennings spot? Jennings needs to be cut by noon today.

by j-r-d on Apr 30, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Jennings is still for the same reason that BB is here. HIcks/JD don’t want to have to eat their contracts by DFA’ing them, or lose them to FA.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jennings is on a 1 year $4 million deal. That’s not too much to eat. I assume if he isn’t DFA’d (you’re right he probably won’t be) he’ll go on the DL. He has been an unmitigated disaster. Mathis is pitching well.

by j-r-d on Apr 30, 2008 11:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I would agree, and the same for BB. But Hicks the Hack holds the wallet

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

40 man

If Jennings goes on the 60 day or gets DFAd then mathis could come up. However I think if any young pitcher gets added to the 40 man during the season it will be Hurley first. Moreso due to the hype and interest surrounding him than anything else.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected...

forgot about 60-day DL. But I think you’ll see Mathis before Hurley. He has had a moderate hiccup on the mound this month.

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

With the anticipation and hype Hurley has generated I think, even if its not necessarily the right move, they will bring him up before Mathis. It will be more than strictly a baseball decision but from a business standpoint as well

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be...

but if he is called and does poorly, he’ll be “Bott-ed”

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

Hurley is only 22 years old. The younger the player the more leeway they get. Thats why Botts needs to produce when given at bats no matter how infrequent they are. Hes not a spring chicken. hurley is a very young player. You let those guys ride it out

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry...

forgot his age…on the subject, how old is Mathis?

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mathis' stats

Doug Mathis is 24. 4-0 3.38. 22/6 K/BB ratio.

by j-r-d on Apr 30, 2008 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank You

looks ready to me

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not saying he isn't ready

I think he is. However I think if this organization is going to go through the ordeal to add a young player onto the 40 man roster that is a pitcher I think they will add Hurley first. If not more for fan reasons than baseball reasons

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey all...

visting O’s fan that lives in OKC. I have a slight man crush on Botts and I would love to see him get picked up off the wire by BAL. I agree he has never received a fair shake as far as consistent ABs go and all his minor league numbers are awesome. Just wanted to drop in and see what you guy’s thoughts on him were.

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 11:33 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I would say it's a 50-50 split here

as far as Botts opinions go.

Some here say he had his fair share of AB’s and didn’t produce. All of the rest of us are smart.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heres a thought...

Maybe the reason the reason Broussard hasnt been let go yet is that is that he is the best the team has defensively at 1B.

Say what you want but, would you rather hurt Millwoods and Padillas and etc.. ERAs with Botts at fist trying to feild some of the throws from our INFers. Tex made up for alot of the bad throws when he was here.

Treat BB as a sunk defensive cost that is there becasue he is the best feilder of the bunch. It turns my stomach to even type this, but think of an entire season of sub par 1B defense isnt worth the attempt tosee if Botts hits.

by laxtonto on Apr 30, 2008 12:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

have you watched a baseball game this season?

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

And really, should we putting even the slightest of roadblocks up against our rebuilding plan for defense at 1B?

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Have you watched any of the games...

That is exactly what we have gotten from BB, and MY, and Kinsler. And I like the last two

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Botts still has more power potential,

was having a better 2008 at the plate, is 3 years younger, and was making $3 mill less this season. Add on the fact that he’s popular with a big portion of the fanbase, came up through this system, and had already been fucked over on 4 different occasions by this club…

Well, I think the choice would have been obvious. Defense or not, Broussard was the one to go.

You know Bradley’s going to miss a decent chunk of time this year, why not just hold on to him for any value at DH? I’m still just… dumbfounded. I don’t get it.

by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 12:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That’s because you are trying to apply reason and logic to a Hicks/Daniels decision

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 1:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'm starting to get cold feet about botts

mainly because it seems like this is less about the rangers thinking they can get him through waivers and more about the rangers just cutting ties with him.

and I did like the mini roll he seemed to be on.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm sure it is

about trying to get him through waivers, similar to when they DFAed Cruz earlier.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys

throw “+1”s around like they’re nothing. So to that I say, “-1.”

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

-1

Don’t bag on my favorite “default” post!

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Alright...

thanks for the entertainment…back to work.

I've got two nickels and a paradigm. - RWH

by BPinOK on Apr 30, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NEWS ALERT FOR MAVS FANS

Dallas Morning News is reporting that Avery has been canned…could Wash be next?

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 1:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To coach the mavs? I say...

...please some other organization or sport take him away!

Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.

by Chad Crudup on Apr 30, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

carpool to katrinaville any1?

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To ask my wife they should keep Avery and shit-can Dirk

by awillis111 on Apr 30, 2008 1:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

-1

"If an Irish woman’s vagina morphed into a baseball player, it’d be Chris Shelton."--theDirkatron

by jparks77 on Apr 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet George Bush....

wishes his defenders were as vehement as Jason Botts defenders.

by venturafearsnolan on Apr 30, 2008 3:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow...

just wow.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 5:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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