OT: Blogging v. Journalism
Somehow, I've dubbed myself the LSB beat writer for the ongoing "war' between blogging and journalism. As a result, it's important that I inform you of the latest battle.
Last night, Will Leitch (of the incomparable Deadspin ) went on CostasNOW, Bob Costas' show on HBO, for a debate about the merits of blogging when it comes to sports. His fellow debaters were Cleveland Browns WR Braylon Edwards (?) and author/journalist Buzz Bissinger, famous for Friday Night Lights, among others.
And, well, Bissinger went berserk. He started railing on Leitch for no real particular reason, claiming that blogs, and Deadspin in particular, was "dumbing down" America. It became clear very early in the debate that Bissinger was in no mood to actually debate, but instead just vent all of his frustrations against the blogosphere. Put it this way: his first comment to Leitch was, "I want to interject that I think you are full of shit."
Leitch was very calm throughout, attempting to simply make his points. But Bissinger dominated the debate, spewing various profanities at Leitch and generally making an ass of himself. He called Deadspin contributor Big Daddy Drew, "Big Daddy Balls," mixing the name of BDD and the nickname of fellow Deadspin contributor A.J. "Balls" Daulerio. He also apparently could not tell the difference between a blog post and a blog comment.
Meanwhile, Braylon Edwards just sat there, wondering why the hell he was there.
I view this debate from an interesting standpoint: I graduate from the Missouri School of Journalism in less than three weeks, and intend to become a sportswriter (so if you could find me a job, that would be great). Yet, I am infatuated with the blogosphere, and love the fact that a new, more accessible form of media is emerging. I don't view the blogosphere as the enemy, but rather just another path. Not to get all preachy, but it's kind of like how some view religion: many paths to the same end result.
With all of that said, Bissinger came off as a raving idiot, while Leitch (while not really making any salient points, despite trying) came off as the victim of an unstable man's rant. The reaction around the blogosphere has been far-reaching and, in many ways, amusing. In the span of a 10 minute debate, Buzz Bissinger became blog enemy No. 1, and for good reason. If he had actually had a decent conversation with Leitch, he probably would be praised today on the blogs. Instead, he didn't.
We're entering a new world of media, much to the chagrin of some traditional journalists. I, however, refuse to become a stodgy, angry, jaded traditional journalist, and will adapt. That's what the best do.
Various reactions from around the blogosphere, all of which I highly recommend:
Orson Swindle of Every Day Should Be Saturday reacts
Ken Tremendous (Michael Schur) of Fire Joe Morgan reacts
AJ Daulerio reacts on Deadspin
Dan Shanoff of ESPN Daily Quickie fame reacts
My favorite reaction: Big Daddy Drew of Kissing Suzy Kolber reacts (language NSFW)
UPDATE: Video of the "debate" is now up. HT to WyoRanger, who found it via Awful Announcing .
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FJM
I had to pull a new signature from Ken’s post. I haven’t laughed that hard in a long time.
Picking a random blog comment and wielding it as a club to bash "blogs" is like picking a random romance novel off an airport bookstore shelf and saying, "This book sucks. Fuck you, Tolstoy -- your medium is worthless!" - Ken Tremendous
by TheBZA on Apr 30, 2008 11:17 AM CDT 0 recs
Here's the video
http://www.awfulannouncing.com/
What happened to my old signature?
by WyoRanger on Apr 30, 2008 12:12 PM CDT 0 recs
Here's the difference between Blogs/Journo
Bloggers don’t spend all that money on English classes, and for the most part, probably know more about the subjects they talk about.
Hey Buzz, you might be a sports writer, but you went to school for Journalism.
If I’m a heart surgeon, and I blog about heart surgery, my content is better than yours. No matter how well-written your article is. I want info, not grammar.
by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 12:17 PM CDT 0 recs
Congratulations
You just painted with the same broad brush Bissinger used.
Just because someone gets a journalism degree doesn’t mean they know less about the subject matter at hand then someone who got a finance degree.
by robert_d_wilfong on
Apr 30, 2008 3:29 PM CDT
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You're right
I shouldn’t have said “My content is better.”
It’s more LIKELY it will be more informative, and that the heart-surgeon would have more of an idea what he was talking about.
by cmkelly29 on
Apr 30, 2008 3:42 PM CDT
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Nothing new
Costas previously said he doesn’t like bloggers, and HBO presented his opinion. At the beginning, the Costas voiceover describes journalism v. blogging, and when they show the blogger, he was sitting at a computer in a darkened room. Almost as if he were in a basement.
Here’s what interesting – MSM often presents bloggers in a less than beneficial light (like they were in a basement). So HBO (MSM) decided to “tackle” the issue and represented blogger in exactly the manner they wanted to and ambushed the blogger (with Costas doing a pretty damn poor job of “mediating” the debate). However, when Deadspin invites people from MSM (i.e. interview with Kenny Mayne) they are mostly presented in a neutral, respectful manner.
What happened to my old signature?
by WyoRanger on Apr 30, 2008 12:22 PM CDT 0 recs
i was gonna post a diary about this
b/c i thought it so odd to totally ignore blogs like NMLR and LSB was so unbelievable. sites like these do more to unify and market to a teams fans than the team itself could ever do.
.500 or bust!
Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 12:29 PM CDT 0 recs
It's A Shift
First, great fanpost!
Second, I don’t think it’s an either/or dichotomy like a lot of the traditional media figures like to set it up. Blogs are communications tools and most bloggers and commenters on blogs don’t blog or comment professionally. Newspapers and sports news networks and websites like ESPN and FOX Sports are professional institutions that, in the past, have served as both professional institutions AND communications tools.
That paradigm’s being challenged and, from the looks of it, overturned.
From political news to sports news, the professionals feel threatened by the bloggers because the professionals have never experienced the kind of short feedback loop they get from bloggers. From my point-of-view, the ones like Bissinger and angry at blogs and bloggers because in 2008, unlike 1998, if they mail it in on an article or parrot the talking points of the team owner, they’re going to be ridiculed for it the same day, for all to read.
Hell, if my profession allowed me to get paid for doing whatever I wanted to regardless of quality, I’d be pissed about being called out for it, too!
Part of the reason I love Lone Star Ball, Deadspin, Blogging The Boys, FJM, Kissing Suzy Kolber and The Big Lead is precisely because before the sports blog phenomenon came along, sports writing and sports broadcasting had by and large begun to suck massive balls. If ESPN had better content, if Sports Illustrated had better writers (and writing), then the sports blog phenomenon probably wouldn’t be what it is today. When the traditional sports media throws a fit about having “competition,” they just look that much more like they’re fading into the distance.
Jackassery like Bissinger’s shaking his cane at Will Leitch to get off his damn lawn will only bring Deadspin more readers.
by Mister Naxal on Apr 30, 2008 12:59 PM CDT 0 recs
+1
My thoughts exactly.
LSB 2.0 confuses and scares me.
by ghtd36 on
Apr 30, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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Braylon Edwards
He was the most impressive guy on the stage.
But that river of tears has dried for all of us.
by trza on Apr 30, 2008 1:10 PM CDT 0 recs
I think the old media
is scared shitless because they are realizing that journalism school doesn’t teach you to compete in the world of ideas with the army of lawyers, doctors and engineers that are blogging. When it comes to commentary, journalism school is fairly worthless.
They see traditional Magazines and Newspapers dying, and they are lashing out at the amateurs that are stealing their jobs.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 1:36 PM CDT 0 recs
.500 or bust!
Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on
Apr 30, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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It's going to be a dead profession in a decade anyways
It’s almost sad that I get so many Sports Illustrated issues, and yet each time I breeze through one for the first time, all of the topics are old and played out to me.
Recently, one issue focused on Brett Favre’s retirement for it’s cover story. I believe Favre had been retired for at least 5 days at the point, and the internet/ESPN had already killed the subject for me.
In 1980, it would have been one thing to have a picture of Brett Favre crying on the cover. The image would probably become legendary. Now? It doesn’t invoke any emotion with me because I saw him crying 45-50 times that week.
by cmkelly29 on Apr 30, 2008 1:56 PM CDT 0 recs
Yep,
they would have been much better off discussing how a 24-hour media culture is changing media coverage of sports, being a fan, and being an athlete, etc.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on
Apr 30, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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There's nothing they can do about it
that’s all i’m saying.
by cmkelly29 on
Apr 30, 2008 2:35 PM CDT
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Ha Bissinger
looks like an ingnorant asshole in that video.
Also I love how the background screens say “The Internet”
by Dirk Diggler on Apr 30, 2008 2:12 PM CDT 0 recs
That image
of a lone blogger in a darkened room is silly. They should be using video of guys in cubicles posting while “working”. It’s sad that Costas has as much credibility as he has. This is the worst mediating since ABC hosted that Obama-Clinton debate a couple weeks ago.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Apr 30, 2008 2:32 PM CDT 0 recs
While watching the video,
I had a visual of Adam being grilled by Costas. Costas would be reading off negative/profane comments from LSB about Gerald Laird. Adam would try to point out that these are just comments and that he actually likes Laird. But, a raving middle-aged sports columnist sitting next to Adam would interrupt to tell Adam how disgusting he is.
That was nuts and I thought Costas embarassed himself more than Bissinger. Why “attempt” to have an honest debate if you’re not going to be an honest moderator?
by Randy Richardson on Apr 30, 2008 3:50 PM CDT 0 recs











