OT:Avery Fired

by Escher on Apr 30, 2008 1:13 PM CDT

Apparently it just happened, I can't find any official confirmation anywhere though.

Edit: Now being reported.

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It's official

Ticket, quoting Stein is reporting it.

The writing was on the wall, but man—it doesn’t seem like ‘06 was that long ago.

Window for this group’s closed, though. That’s basketball, and that’s why Bob rightfully calls the NBA title the hardest to get in all sports.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 1:17 PM CDT 0 recs

NBA title hardest one to get?

It seems to me that most franchises are one Michael Jordan, or Tim Duncan, or one Kobe Bryant away from a ring. Its the sport thats most reliant on the one star player. One player isn’t going to put a baseball or football team over the top, but if you happen to be the horrible team with the ping pong ball in the right year, you can go from bad team to dynasty.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Right.

You name Jordan, Duncan and Bryant. That’s fine.

Thing is, those are 3 of the greatest NBA players of all time. Those don’t come every year.

What—you think Bargnani or Bogut are going to lead their teams to titles?

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

But

those three players account for I think 13 of the last 18 NBA titles.

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up 0 recs

Which

Does nothing to disprove my point.

The greatest players can dominate and it’s incredibly difficult for anyone else to win.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

I thought

you were disagreeing. Nevermind then continue on nothing to see here

by bigsteve on Apr 30, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

But any franchise

with a ping pong ball can get a great player. For all I know, Cleveland will be the next dominant franchise.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

You keep saying that

But it’s not borne out by the facts.

Who are the best players taken in the draft since Duncan?

Lebron? Didn’t win when he had a chance. Still time.
Wade? Lightning in a bottle. Penny Jr.
Anthony? Decent player, but Denver’s looking for a way to get rid of him.
Dirk? No explanation needed.

My point is, it does, despite popular belief, take more than a superstar. It’s not sufficient.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

at which point

one has to ask what the point is of a sport that the team with the best player always wins is? Why even have 30 teams?

Also, great NBA players are obvious. There is no hard work involved in determining that your team should draft LeBron James or Tim Duncan first. Getting a superstar in the first pick requires being really bad (not hard), lucky in the lottery (not the same thing as hard), and lucky that there is a dynasty guy available (just luck, not hard).

Anyway Brett – just add the conditional “if you don’t have one of the premier players” to your statement and it’ll probably be accurate – because it isn’t easy to build a well balanced champion from scratch. Otherwise while its a very hard ring to come by if you , its a very, very easy ring to come by if you do have one of the great ones.

by JBImaknee on Apr 30, 2008 2:56 PM CDT up 0 recs

OK

Well why didn’t Kobe win without Shaq and the other great role players? How come Duncan hasn’t won every year? Dirk? Lebron? How do you explain Detroit?

There are plenty of examples in the NBA of the best players not winning rings. Barkley, Malone, Stockton and Payton all come to mind immediately.

Why not ask Malone and Payton if it’s easy? They latched onto the greatest player in the game to win their ring, and they couldn’t do it.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

this is such a weird argument

why didn’t shaq win every year – because the other superstar won that year. obviously the rule isn’t that being a sueprstar = win because if there’s more than one superstar, something’s gotta give.

but besides detroit, superstars have dominated the league.

of course, you could make a strong case that SA isn’t so much a one superstar team.

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't think you understood my point.

I’m not saying that superstars don’t win, just that they’re only the necessary condition.

You need other guys around them to win, and that’s the hard part.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Obviously it isn't as easy

as just having a superstar and then you win. You’re right that a lot of great players go ring-less.

But having one of the top two or three players in the game makes it a lot easier to win than not (more so than other sports). And my argument is that getting one of the top two or three players is mostly luck.

And my point was that luck is not the same thing as hard. My only issue is with saying that it is harder to win an NBA title than any other title. Its a weak claim because yuo can make that argument about any championship for any number of reasons.

by JBImaknee on Apr 30, 2008 3:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

didnt the celtics just build a well balanced contender in a single day?

thats seems pretty easy.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

"NBA title the hardest to get in all sports."

this comment makes no sense.

Why is it harder? Because you can build a team of stars that dominates the regular season and lose in the playoffs? What about the Eagles with McNabb? Or the Indians in the ‘90s or Mariners in the early 2000s? Because you only get 2 or 3 years to win after you build a team? Football is even more like that now than basketball is.

One can say baseball is harder because only 8 teams make the playoffs any given year. No sneaking into the playoffs on a sub-500 record there.

One can say football is the hardest because a single off game in the playoffs knocks you out. You can have a bad game in basketball or baseball and come back and win

One can say hockey is the hardest because it is almost impossible to keep your entire team healthy in pursuit of the Cup

by JBImaknee on Apr 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

Small Sample Size

I think the fact that only a handful of teams have won the NBA Championship over the last 20+ years has something to do with the premise. Same teams seem to repeat with their basic core group.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

hardest

That would be either English Premier League title the Spanish la Liga, if we’re not excluding international soccer.

But that river of tears has dried for all of us.

by trza on Apr 30, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

No

Sorry I wasn’t clear. I meant, you know, sports that were actually interesting and good. Sorry again. I mean, I’m sure the bowling championship is difficult to get as well, but…well, who’s watching?

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up 1 recs

-1

get some culture brett. Single table balanced schedule no playoffs best record wins it all.

nothing is harder in pro sports….

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

-1

Winning a golf major is the hardest thing in pro sports. Get some culter Jay :)

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 30, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

LOL

freudian slipt culture I meant

by Dirk Diggler on Apr 30, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

shes a mule

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

She doesn't get raped

nearly enough.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wow!

And people are upset about what was said to Gordon’s wife?

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

the difference is

that cahill probably isn’t expecting coulter’s husband not to be mad

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yep,

I won’t be crying like a bitch if she has me banned from all of her media events.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 3:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

This is Cahill's kinda girl

It’s a man, baby

by Sharky on Apr 30, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

I have no idea

who that is. I guess my cultural references are getting outdated.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on May 1, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up 0 recs

Coulter

That’s because she’s really a man…

"I dont care to debate with a troll." - Sharky

by RCCook on Apr 30, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

very clayton williams of you

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

Thanks, Cahill

I now have a new sig line.

re: Ann Coulter - "She doesn't get raped nearly enough." - DJ Cahill

by EssBee on Apr 30, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up 0 recs

Now that's a stupid bitch

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

now

i wonder why you’d say that..
hmm…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

Got me Longhorn...

I’m a far left liberal, and proud of it.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Apr 30, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Ahh Cahill

Always the evil scum, isn’t he.

I can practically hear the flesh dripping off him.

by Sharky on Apr 30, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

L O L

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 30, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

Culture?

So latching on to a team that you have no affiliation with across the ocean, seemingly for the express purpose of being the badass in your group of friends who cares about soccer is culture?

Oh OK. Well I’ll just visit Europe. You can pretend to be European if that’s your thing. Either way, neither of us are “cultured”.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

i support my local (see my avatar)

i watch the best athletes in the world, whether its deion or tom brady, or MJ or Magic or Arod or whatever. ignorance just for sake of continent is sweet.

take a big drink full!

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up 0 recs

You know

I’ve been calling for his head since the trade, but actually reading it makes me feel bad for the guy.

Still, it had to be done. He’ll get another coaching job and hopefully this experience has humbled him some.

Picking a random blog comment and wielding it as a club to bash "blogs" is like picking a random romance novel off an airport bookstore shelf and saying, "This book sucks. Fuck you, Tolstoy -- your medium is worthless!" - Ken Tremendous

by TheBZA on Apr 30, 2008 1:17 PM CDT 0 recs

Please

beg him to take Wash along too…

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 30, 2008 1:20 PM CDT 0 recs

haha + 1

They can get in some old batalack and do the Thelma and Louise thing across country.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

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by LAMuscleFag on Apr 30, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

happy/scared

I have been wanting this to happen for two months. But now that Cuban has done it, I’m worried about what’s going to happen.

by johndixon on Apr 30, 2008 1:30 PM CDT 0 recs

why worry

that team is done, fry an egg. fire every1 and gut the team. its over.

the worrying is over.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up 0 recs

Speculation Time...

Now that Avery is officially gone, it’s time to start speculating on who the next coach of the Mavs will be…..

I’ll say Jeff Van Gundy

Thoughts?

by Topgun22 on Apr 30, 2008 1:58 PM CDT 0 recs

agreed

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

The more I think about it

I’m against Van Gundy, for many of the reasons proffered by Adam in another thread. Too similar. I honestly think Carlisle is the right guy.

My other candidates:

Hubie (ancient)
Lowe (probably not going anywhere)
Johnny Davis
Iavaroni (when he gets fired)

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

adam said that jeff van gundy was controlling

and said little else. controlling in a vaccum is not a bad quality to have. controlling and not being a very good coach is a bad quality to have

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

Look

I want a real coach in here in the worst way. No more Averys or Jacksons. So from that standpoint, he’d be good.

Being controlling is not necessarily a bad thing. You’re absolutely right about that. But when it gets to the point of alienating your players, it is most definitely a bad thing. That’s what Avery has done, and that’s what Van Gundy has done.

That being said, if he ends up the guy, I certainly won’t cry myself to sleep.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up 0 recs

alienating players

i guess I don’t know the specific allegations against him but I dont’ think this mavericks teams is all that susceptible to that. I think Avery was a really really extreme case. read this. Avery comes off as a lunatic

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 3:08 PM CDT up 0 recs

Westphal

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up 0 recs

there is a reason

that he hasn’t landed a head coaching job in a really long time

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

Fill me in.

"I hope it's a special dumb person hell so that I don’t have to meet up with you after I die."

- The D-tron

by Chase Irwin on Apr 30, 2008 8:52 PM CDT up 0 recs

hah

i actually don’t know. but my point is that there must be a reason he hasn’t landed a head coaching job in a long time. i just think it’s weird for someoen like him to have such long gaps in between head coaching positions

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by ab03 on May 1, 2008 12:01 AM CDT up 0 recs

Is that

Saturn Devouring his Nippert?

by brettgardner on May 1, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up 0 recs

It looks like...

Cronos, father of Zeus in ancient Greek mythology. Hard to tell though. Can’t see the whole pic.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 1, 2008 9:21 AM CDT up 0 recs

Yup.

Saturn=Cronus. It’s a de Goya painting. With Nippert. I enjoyed it.

by brettgardner on May 1, 2008 9:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

Ahh...

for some reason when I read your post I saw Satan, not Saturn…

You are correct sir, but I refuse to call any of the Gods by their Roman or Latin names. Bastards should have some up with their own religion in antiquity instead of just stealing the Greeks. :)

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 1, 2008 9:35 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'm with you.

Romans blow.

That’s just the name of the painting.

by brettgardner on May 1, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up 0 recs

every1 on espn is saying

dantoni or however you spell it is out in PHX and thats the guy we’ll go after.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

Nope.

Why would we do that? We’ve already had Nellie-ball here. Didn’t work.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

change of pace

from the point guard over controlling, every play dictating moron of a coach we just fired…

but dont ask me ask the NBA Pundits who are saying it, according to espn when it was announced d’antoni was the guy they go after if PHX fired him

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

D'antoni

Was a PG too, and rumors have been blowing about in Phoenix for years that he and Nash don’t see eye to eye, to put it nicely.

I can think of maybe 2-3 basketball guys at ESPN who have respectable opinions.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dick Motta

by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 30, 2008 3:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

richie audubato

at least it is fun to say

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up 0 recs

Quin Snyder

by robert_d_wilfong on Apr 30, 2008 3:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

I've been a Harris fan

but i like Van Gundy as well, I hope it’s him.

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on Apr 30, 2008 3:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

it occurs to me

that van gundy might not want this job – or any job

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by ab03 on Apr 30, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up 0 recs

He does.

He seems like the kind of guy who’s miserable when he’s doing what he loves, but even more miserable when he’s not.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up 0 recs

now

if he can just undo the jkidd trade

and get rid of howard for a bag of shit

by kumizi on Apr 30, 2008 2:12 PM CDT 0 recs

That trade kills

because the most likely way to build a winner, is to have ping pong balls in a year where a stud comes out.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 30, 2008 2:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not necessarily true any more

See: Lakers and Celtics.
It’s become a FA league.

I'd rather be Blind, Crippled, & Crazy

by Clueless on Apr 30, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up 0 recs

if you happen to be a celtics or lakers

oh by the way ignore the fact that both teams were given “gift trades” that 20 other teams woulda done in a second but for some reason the NBA and its perennial franchises end up with them…

naw its not fixed… nothing to look at, move along. just a coincidence…

hey look its koby or garnett holding up the trophy…

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 3:01 PM CDT up 0 recs

Sorry

But just dumb, inaccurate, “drive-by” NBA stuff right there.

by brettgardner on Apr 30, 2008 3:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

ummm

you really believe that 2 teams that happen to be the biggest franchises in the sport and also happened to not stand a chance in hell in making the playoffs before the the draft and before this season, and are now the favorites to win the title is simply coincidence?

give me some of what ur smoking…

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Apr 30, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up 0 recs