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Kevin Goldstein on the Rangers prospects

Kevin Goldstein's Future Shock 10 Pack includes Warner Madrigal, who gets some love from Goldstein...

But the other thing that jumped out is something he said that echoed my post from last night:

[F]ormer Braves farmhand Matt Harrison, almost the forgotten name in the Mark Teixeira deal (and that's a mistake), was outstanding for five-plus innings.

 

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actually...

Key stat:

6 K's

He has always shown at least pretty good control, but the question with him is if he can miss enough bats against higher levels of competition. It's only one start, but it is at least a good sign.

www.baseball-intellect.com

by NovaO on Apr 4, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

on the contrary...

... the most irritating runs scored, are those who were walked on base...

only one other team walked more hitters than the Rangers last season.

by oc on Apr 4, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

...

ok, but that's not Harrison's problem. It might be the Rangers' problem, but not Harrison, and as far as I can tell this was a post about Matt Harrison, not the Rangers in general. His problem is lack of Ks, which he got yesterday, so the key stat was indeed the 6Ks in 5.2 innings.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 4, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey... look over there!

...BALLS!...

go get 'em boy...

by oc on Apr 4, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well, it's quite simple really...

...you pitch to get people out... not put them on base.

strikeouts are great. walks are worse.

by oc on Apr 4, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison > Kershaw

"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi

by thedirkatron on Apr 4, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

if that happens

i will give you $4

send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Apr 4, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Best. Bet. Ever.

LSB 2.0 confuses and scares me.

by ghtd36 on Apr 4, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i'll screen cap this page

and save if for 20 years.

less if he retires.

send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER

by gossamer on Apr 4, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol...

Kershaw is the next great thing.

Milton Bradley for MVP

by miles on Apr 4, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too prophetic

don't indulge us, miles.

"You are this month's NYTXFAN." - t ball

by Chase Irwin on Apr 4, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

loves me some harrison

Very talented I might say, but lets see how consistant he can be before calling him up to the majors.

Adam loves him some Lard

by NYTXFAN on Apr 4, 2008 3:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Harrison

It would nice to bring he and Hurley in together next season with Salty as their catcher. I think this is the sort of thing E Grant was talking about with bringing guys in waves where they can play together for a while. I see no reason for any of those 3 to play in the majors this year before September.

Fire Ron Washington

by pblack on Apr 4, 2008 3:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep

The Rangers should play veteran replacement level players instead. After all, rebuilding years shouldn't feature young, unproven talent looking to break in at the major league level.

lepricon

by jparks77 on Apr 4, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's pretty dumb

I don't want to be like the Giants, but I certainly don't want to be the Marlins or the Devil Rays either, trading off their best players just when they get good. That's exactly what would happen if we brought up everyone prematurely.

I mean, think about it, what is the upside to that? They're either not ready, or they'll struggle, eventually get better and when the rest of the pieces get good enough to contribute, they'll start costing a lot of money. That seems to be a good way to perpetually insure mediocrity to me.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 4, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dumb?

It's dumb to play young players during rebuilding years? I disagree. I'm not suggesting that we bring up Fabio Castillo based on the premise of going young, but considering Harrison is already on the 40, that he already has 200 innings of AA experience, and that the Rangers are going to be mediocre at best in '08, I see very little reason to wait until September to give him an opportunity to pitch at the major league level. If that is dumb I guess I'm dumb.

Also, regardless of our current small market payroll, the Rangers shouldn't allow future financial concerns to impact the development of our prospects. We aren't the Rays or the Marlins. We don't have to watch talent walk away because of financial restraint. Hicks has a wallet and he has been willing to open it.

Again, I'm not advocating that we develop all of our prospects at the major league level. This is case specific and at this point, I'd much rather watch a prospect like Harrison take his lumps at the major league level than watch retreads like Jennings struggle to be mediocre on a losing team.

*I should also mention that my feelings for Harrison prevent any objectivity on this subject. I was against bringing up Hurley last season mainly because of financial reasons. I'm a hypocrite. Big deal.

lepricon

by jparks77 on Apr 4, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

I love the disclaimer. I know what it's like to be head over heels in man-love with a prospect (Jason Botts, why won't you return my phone calls!?). I think the Rangers just plain don't think he's ready at this point. Let the guy throw some AA innings to prove he's healthy, then some AAA innings to prove he can keep up the production versus more the better more selective hitters in AAA. If Harrison continues breezing through AA and then keeps it up at AAA and is knocking on the door come September and the club still won't call him up, then I'd have a problem with it.

Personally I like the Rangers philosophy right now. Young players if they're deemed ready; one year risk/reward veterans if they're not.

Stop-gap veterans like Gagne, Lofton, Jennings, Bradley and Every Buffet Eddie* give you the advantage of not having to throw a young player to the major league wolves before he's ready, and if they pan out they can be resigned long term, or they can make great deadline trade bait, or they can bring back draft picks if they walk in the off season.

*- Note that I didn't include Bromide Ben in that list... cause I hate that we brought him in here. Hate, hate, hate. HATE.

"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi

by thedirkatron on Apr 4, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Harrison

His performance in the AFL should be a good indicator that he is completely healthy and ready to conquer the world. However, your points are solid.

That being said, Harrison is ready now. He has all the tools of a major league caliber pitcher. He has refined interview skills. He looks good in a uniform. He winked at me once. He is on the 40.

Restraining order be damned.

lepricon

by jparks77 on Apr 4, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

AAA rotation

The only reason Harrison is in AA right now is Sidney Ponson. Which is fine with me. Ponson will either be in the bigs or on the street no later than May 1. At that time Harrison will move up and be where he should. And actually I think he will be brought up before Hurley due to his 40 man status. Hurley is only coming up if we can keep him up for the rest of the season. Harrison will come up if a guy goes down for 4-6 weeks during the summer.

by bigsteve on Apr 4, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4-6 weeks

is a long time to go down. I said I liked the guy but c'mon.

lepricon

by jparks77 on Apr 4, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then it's just a difference

in philosophy. I personally don't believe Harrison is ready, especially not as a 22 year old who'd have to adjust pitching in a touch environment in front of a bad infield defense. I don't see any reason to believe he might be ready, perhaps you have reasons to believe otherwise.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 4, 2008 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since Grant keeps mentioning it

I really wonder what else he was told when he heard this nugget of salary planning. This scenario does make a lot of sense.

Why do I follow the Rangers again?

by LBBRangerFan on Apr 4, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Add

Davis to that list, and we may be looking at hopefully four very good young players all arriving at once. You can probably add a young reliever or two also. Madrigal maybe. Should be fun in the next year or so.

Formerly known as OKRangerFan

by B_Black on Apr 4, 2008 4:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

so the rebuilding begins

NEXT season?

We aren't rebuilding now, we're just in a one year holding pattern waiting to begin a rebuilding program. That is frustrating as a fan - it's like we have a plan, but the plan doesn't start till next year, so in the meantime, everybody enjoy Bromide Ben and Every Buffet Eddie. Oh yeah, and just wait till Laird really builds up his trade value!!!

Why not break in a couple this season and a couple next season? Are we so cheap that we are now holding players in the minors to improve the financial condition of the franchise 5 years from now? Ughh.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Apr 4, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

Alot of factors go inot rebuilding. First you have to build the farm system which we have done. Then you have to develop those prospects which we are doing. But if they are not ready you do what we are doing which is find stopgaps. Broussard, Jennings, Bradley, etc. We aren't holding players in the minors for financial reasons. We are holding them there for organizational reasons. You gotta look big picture. The majority of our top prospects are not on the 40 man roster. Andrus, Davis, Hurley, Teagarden. If they aren't absolutely ready why rush them. Would you rather see a young player this year just for the sake of seeing him and then in 3 years you are faced with the same situation we are in with Botts and Cruz this year. Guys who are out of options and we still are unsure if they will be players or not.

The only 2 guys who I would consider top prospects who are on the 40 man and in the minors are Salty and Harrison. Both of whom have not played above AA until last night when Salty was in OKC. Both of them will be up at some point this year. But more than likely the other guys like Hurley, Davis, Duran, and Teagarden won't be up unless we know for certain we will keep them up the rest of the year and they will get significant playing time. Otherwise it would not be smart from an organizational standpoint to burn an option when you don't have to.

by bigsteve on Apr 4, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry...

I didn't forget about him in the trade.

Milton Bradley for MVP

by miles on Apr 4, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wash had good tihngs to say

about him in the spring, so hopefully when the time comes harrison is high on the list to get a look.

This rotation will be a lot more intesting to watch if hurley/harisson perform well enough to get here before september.

by DSheppard on Apr 4, 2008 5:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whither Elvis?

Elvis Andrus is 19 years old, and just started the year in AA as the shortstop for Frisco. Assuming slow progression (which hasn't been the case so far, but bear with me) he spends all year in AA and then all next year in AAA. Now its 2010 and Andrus is a whopping 21 years old. But MY is under contract to play short, and Kinsler is under contract to play second. Where do we put the guy? who moves? who gets traded? since Blalock's contract includes a 2009 option year, does that mean that he'll be gone? if so, does Young move to third for Andrus? Could that happen next year if the Rangers buy him out?

Could that happen at the deadline if the Rangers are out of it and move Blalock?

thoughts?

by iblum on Apr 4, 2008 5:19 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

wait a second...

Michael gets moved to third?...

wouldn't that hurt his "value"? i mean... we can't have a guy with no power playing third. that goes against everything the "know-it-all" media types have told us.

isn't it written in stone somewhere?

by oc on Apr 4, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anywhere you move Michael

will hurt his "value". SS is the weakest hitting position, and anywhere you move him it'll hurt his value. Too bad MY is a "shortstop" and not a shortstop.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on Apr 5, 2008 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

We get our very own Melvin Mora, only with a better face.

Of course if Hankles proves his McRib Syndrome was the cause of his shoulder woes and gets back to raking the ball, we might actually resign the guy after '09 and Young might be forced to RF, where his arm and speed would play.

"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi

by thedirkatron on Apr 4, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Marlon Byrd

with consistent production. Not a bad player on a good team if all the other spots (Kinsler at 2B, Salty at C, etc) produces.

by FirebatM3 on Apr 4, 2008 6:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But Byrd is a natural OF, Young is not - he's never even played a professional game in the OF. I really don't see how converting Young to such a key position, where he has no experience, and would not be an ideal fit anyway, is a good idea.

The bottom line is, when the time comes, Young needs to be converted to another team, where he can be moved back to second base, which might prolong his career.

by lonestarJon on Apr 4, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

such a key position?

Huh? What?? LF a Key Position???

Talk about posting just to read your words...

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 4, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Already have some

There!

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 4, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Balance

If (big if) you have power at 2B, 3B, 1B, LF, RF, and CF you can afford a DH in the two hole who gets a lot of hits but doesn't have a high IsoP. Mantra: power in six positions, hitting/obp in the other three.

'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern

by Ed Coffin on Apr 4, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

sir.

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on Apr 4, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

one more reason

i love reading what ed has to say.

by knockoutking on Apr 4, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If MY doesn't end up at 3B

he will probably be the primary DH and back up IF.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by RangerMad on Apr 4, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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