Game 4 Game Day thread 3
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 4, 2008 11:41 PM CDT
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totally agree
I think he and Hamilton are the backbone of a monster in the makingAA
Because...
...if it is a close play, there's a collision, and Kinsler gets hurt, Walbeck gets fired.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 4, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Gotta love the ass whippin
The Rangers are putting on the Halos.
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
It's making me nervous...
About the rest of the series, though. We're not exactly building up good karma.
so they now have as many runs in this game
as they scored in the entire Seattle series...
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Don't cry angels fans...
me sooo sorry (evil grin)
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
The Wonder Bat
Is loaded with hits tonight.
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
Hamilton's first double of the season
11-0 Rangers!
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
Good situation to
put Nippert in the game.
" Winning doesn't always mean being first,
winning means you are doing better than you have done before"
This has been
The best game the Rangers have played in a long time.
Truly special performance tonight. This has been a lot of fun to watch.
it's Fukamori time!
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Fukumori
Surely there's no way he gives up seven runs to put this within single swing-of-the-bat range.
I'm going to go knock on wood now.
Why pull Gabbard
Maybe I'm overreacting because I really want to see Gabbard out there as long as he is on. Is there any reason to be pulling Gabbard at 92 pitches given how he's been pitching all day?
Because...
...it is early in the season, he doesn't have a history of being a workhorse, and he twisted his ankle, I imagine.
Plus, you've got an 8 man bullpen and had an offday yesterday.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 4, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions
I still don't know
Why Josh Rupe has not been used yet - after all, he's going back down by April 12th. I would be making use of him right here.
It seems like a bit of overmanaging to me
Let the kid go as long as he can and save your bullpen and keep the momentum going your way.
How many pitches would you leave him in there for?
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 4, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
He's at 92 now
I would at least let him finish out the 8th and see how he does. He's not playing in his first Major League game and he's not 20 or 21 years old. He has 2/3 of a season's worth of Major League starts and is 26 in 4 days. I think he can handle making 100 pitches.
Of course, if he said something about his ankle hurting or if there was some problems with it, then I understand taking him out. But again, he looked just fine and wasn't limping or anything like that.
I think that...
...if he was at 85 pitches or so, he'd have started the inning.
But there wasn't any reason to have him throw to a pitcher or two, then yank him. And I think Washington wanted to get the bullpen some work, let Fukumori pitch again in a low-pressure situation to get his confidence back...
It is an 11-0 game. Gabbard hadn't thrown more than 60-70 pitches this season. Tell him good job, get him out and let the bullpen get a couple of innings.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 4, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions
why pull him after one or two hitters
Let him finish the inning if he's not having any trouble. Tell him he's out there that inning as long as he doesn't get into any type of trouble. If he goes over 100 pitches by that much, Fukomori gets an easy 9th to work with.
hard to throw more than 60-70 pitches in your first start...
I just don't see the point
It is an 11 run game. This gives you the chance to get some of your relievers some work. I just don't see why it would be that important to leave him out there.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:00 AM CDT up reply actions
well for one
you can end up seeing what is going on now where you lose the momentum of the shut out and end up with the Angels getting some bright side of this game.
Also, you end up using relievers that don't need to be used now. You don't know what will happen in tomorrow's game or the day after. I understand there's an off day again after this series, but what if there is a few extra innings in tomorrow's game. Instead of having a huge advantage in Game 3 with more RP rested, you are about even with the Angels.
I don't think momentum...
...means anything...
I don't think the Angels have a better shot at winning tomorrow because of momentum they got beating up the last guy in the bullpen in the 9th.
And I don't think it makes any difference as far as the bullpen being more rested. I think there's more concern with guys not getting enough work than with guys in the pen not being rested.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
The Rangers are and always will be
a very streaky team. They need to use any momentum they have.
Its the Rangers. The furthest thing from my mind now is the bullpen not getting enough work as the season goes on.
Nippert aside
Normally, we would've used two relievers. That's just a typical game situation. I don't see why you want to stretch a young, "injury-prone" pitcher who tweaked his ankle in the previous inning to preserve the bullpen.
We've historically had starting pitching troubles. Why roll the dice when we don't have to?
If his ankle was hurting
He should have just left after that inning. They had a 6 run lead at that time, he was starting to get up there in the pitch count. But if his ankle wasn't hurting and he just twisted it for a second, then that shouldn't be a concern.
He was at his 90th pitch. If he can't make it past 90 pitches in a game without being a huge injury concern, than the Rangers need to be moving him to the bullpen or something.
And again, anything can happen as we are seeing right now. The Angels are making this thing interesting with the middle of their lineup coming up, 6 runs scored in this inning, and a man on 2nd. Gabbard was doing just fine and should have been left in the game until he was letting baserunners on or was more than just a few pitches past 100 pitch mark.
The 8th is likely to take more than 8 pitches.
What if he is out there for 110? 115? 120?. Not that 100 pitches is a magical mark I just see no reason to chance it this early in the season. He probably topped out at 60-70 pitches this spring. You could be asking him to throw an additional 30-50 pitches.
Not to mention an 8 man pen with a days rest.
White Women!
There is no rule that doesn't let you pull him
after you brought him in. If he is at 120, than just yank him.
True
But you send him out there you want him to finish the inning. I guess I'm just more cautious its the 4th game of the year and you're up 11-0. No reason to risk it.
White Women!
he could still finish the inning IMO
He should go out there knowing that he is almost done for the day. If he lets a batter get on base, than he should know that he's done for the day and be happy with the amazing game he pitched.
Yes overmanaging
Gabbards ankle starts to swell between innings and he begins to over compensate and next thing ya know TJ for Gabbard in a meaning less late inning blowout.
White Women!
Hell of a start.
16 GB outs = dominant.
"You are this month's NYTXFAN." - t ball
by inactive lsb user on Apr 4, 2008 11:52 PM CDT up reply actions
HAHA thats classic!
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
GABBBBUUULLLOUUS performance..
I know a lit'l gay but I had to say it.
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
I like that GABBBBUUULLLOUUS performance
It was Gabalicious :)
Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Apr 5, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
ranger's now hold the record
longest streak w/o a complete game by a pitcher. Just overtook the '01-'02 Devil Rays.
+ 1
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Not Vlad's best game against Texas.
Might actually be his worst ... which is nice.
Its gettin ugly.
You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game - life or football - the margin for error is so small.
by Brandon Worley on Apr 4, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not
Ron is still silently protesting the assignment of Kevin Mench to AAA by chaining Botts to the bench.
Who
is that bohemeth of a left hander that just batted?
The Texas Rangers rounded the bases at a dizzying pace
well at least the good guys ..
in the pen will be well rested for the rest of the series. Which is unusual for a Ranger pen.
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Nippert looks like BMac
" Winning doesn't always mean being first,
winning means you are doing better than you have done before"
It is irrelevant
You've been predicting Mendoza will bomb for so long, he's probably going to win the Cy Young.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:02 AM CDT up reply actions
Nippert has some big ears
Looks like he could fly away at any point.
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
107-106 LA!!!!!!!
Gasol at the FT line with just 40.8 left in the game!!! LA clinches playoffs with this....
Ya....That's Real Mature.
seriously can we hold updates till after the game now?
im going to up immedately watch the ending recorded after the game.
I know it's 11-0 but
This sucks if they score.
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
Good side-note for the team to hang its hat on.
And it makes me feel better about our bullpen if we can make it through a game with the bullpen doing as well as our starters.
I'm less than impressed with Nippert.
What was the attraction again?
he was one of the top pitching prospects in baseball
a few years ago, is 6'8" and at times can throw mid 90s.
obviously its not going well right now but i can see why we wanted to give it a try.
Nippert will be fine
he has a live arm, first time pitching for the Rangers, i'm sure he has some nerves...
the truth.
Honestly
I think this is a much better outing if he just gets his stuff up a little bit. Seems like a lot of his pitches have just been too low.
ok maybe Nippert was a bad idea..
hopefully the momentun doesn't shift for the rest of the series. Didn't this guy have horrendous ERA's lately?
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
And in other news ...
the Mavs are collapsing against yet another .500+ team.
Mavs won't make it out of the first round
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
"he's not just missing he's missing by a lot"
Nadel on Nippert.
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Yeah
This is not the best debut one could have.
by brettgardner on Apr 5, 2008 12:11 AM CDT up reply actions
well there's "the man"
hey Brett did ya get to see any of the fun stuff or you just checking in?
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Been in and out
Switching between this, the Mavs game and other assorted activities. After BB's homer, I came back and it was 11-0.
by brettgardner on Apr 5, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions
Nippert or no
i think youve got to be satisfied with 2-2 on the road v the mariners and angels as a start to the season.
Been watching the whole game...
haven't really been commenting because I've been working on other stuff. Hell of a game though, very awesome to see the offense connect like they did tonight.
At any rate, I don't know if it had been discussed, but was it just me, or did it seem like Mike Young was ranging to his left really well tonight?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
=(
well i guess im not that disappointed that i dont get to watch it then, wouldnt only be more upsetting.
Sad isn't it...
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
Thank goodness they got Jason Kidd...
...a great late-game finisher who can create shots for his teammates...
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:14 AM CDT up reply actions
Boring.
Yeah, much better to leave it in the hands of a bad passer who can't shoot. But hey--at least he's young!
by brettgardner on Apr 5, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions
You are right
Bringing in Kidd = Brilliant
They aren't good enough to win a championship, and they gave away tradeable assets for an albatross contract. Mark Cuban is a basketball genius.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions
C'mon Adam, that's not fair.
Since Kidd came in they've owned sub-.500 teams.
Don't get me wrong
I didn't think this team was ever good enough to win a championship. Like I said before, two years ago, we got some lucky breaks. Haven't really been getting them since.
P.S. You really think a gigantic expiring contract is an albatross? Hmm. I'll have to check my definition then.
by brettgardner on Apr 5, 2008 12:20 AM CDT up reply actions
miles are you on suicide watch?
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
Mavs in the 4th quarter with the game on the line ...
look like they've never played basketball before. They go cold. They play crappy defense. They take bad shots. It's like one team plays until the last 5 minutes of the game, then a bunch of no-talent scrubs take over. Pathetic.
wow...
you think he'd get a sympathy called strike or something.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
At first look
He can't pitch, and he can't field his position. Hope this is the only such event for him!
'At Georgia Southern, we don't cheat. That costs money and we don't have any.' Erk Russell / Georgia Southern
by Ed Coffin on Apr 5, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Wash looks like he is going to kill Nippert
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
Remember when...
This was an 11-0 shutout and we were all so optimistic about the rest of this series.
haha oh my
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
German is a big boy
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
hey hey hey it's Fat Albert
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
rumblin' bumblin' stumblin'
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
Just noticed this was...
'The Allen Iverson thread'...
"We talkin bout practice"
"You can't hit what you can't see" - Walter Johnson
Some pretty good competition going on...
for who wants to get sent down or DFA'd when they call Mendoza up.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
They didn't
Willits came in for Vlad defensively in the 9th.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions
And we were worried about our Starters to start the year!
turns out its our "bullpen strength" that worries us the most!
Ya....That's Real Mature.
question
why in the hell does Ron replace someone who can't throw strikes with another guy who can't throw strikes?
Hah
It looks like I just got kidnapped.
by brettgardner on Apr 5, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions
What is it...
man in the whole has to represent the tying run, and then it's a save opp?
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
WTG Rangers
We Win We Win
Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle - Nolan Ryan
Okay, this isn't funny anymore.
Is Avery calling pitches here or what?
It's like a kick to the nuts
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
This is pretty painful
to watch on mlb.tv with the angels announcers.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
He actually wasn't in the booth...
at least not at the start of the game.
I could be wrong.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
this is what happens when you parade
Moe, Larry and Curly Joe out there to hold down your 11 run lead for one measly inning...UGHHH
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
but look at the bright side
At least Washington let them get their work in. That's what's most important, right?
yeh
I'm sure it will look wonderful on Nipperts resume once he gets to AA where he belongs
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
don't believe the hype
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
I'm starting to wonder
If Wash ate paint chips as a boy. This is the dumbest escapade ever.
SHIT!!!
I cant blame wash for this
Any major league pitcher should be able to get 3 outs. Nipperts ERA was like 6, not 40.
yep
An 11-0 game is when you are supposed to put your Dustin Nipperts into the game.
by Adam J. Morris on Apr 5, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up reply actions
You're right
They should. Just pissed...that's all.
The game was 11-0
You have to let the guy pitch some time.(Nippert)
"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg
Yeah, but...
All of a sudden it's 11-6 and we're still piddling around...
So
4 relief pitchers used for 2 innings so far. If you want to use hindsight now, good or bad idea to pull Gabbard early.
Well...
Lets hope we get the good Padilla and Millwood in the next 2 days. This bullpen won't handle any of their 5 IP performances and anything worse than that is a guaranteed loss for that game.
dude,
you're making no sense at all . . .
by Randy Richardson on Apr 5, 2008 12:30 AM CDT up reply actions
Still good
because he's a guy that ended last year on the DL, he already had a scare and this is a decided game.
Good.
Give me the bullpen every day. I would rather put up with an inconsistent bullpen now than deal with starting pitchers who are worn out by June because we left them in for "just one more inning" every time because they'd been good up to that point.
who's saying everytime?
First game of the season, Gabbard's at 92 pitches. The Rangers wouldn't be pulling a Dusty Baker here if they left him in for one more inning.
No, they'd be pulling a Grady Little
in early-season form. I'll say this again: What do you get? We won't even need a fifth starter for another week and Gabbard tweaked his ankle. What about this situation makes you think that risking an injury to a starting pitcher is worth saving one inning of work off our bullpen? At this point, I seriously want to know.
once more
if the ankle was any problem, he should have been benched after that inning.
Why did Gabbard even go out and pitch the 7th inning? He was nearing the 90 pitch limit. He finished the season on the DL and is an injury risk. The game was 6-0. Perfect time to bench the young starter and bring in the bullpen, right?
It's questionable there
considering we had a short-ish top of the seventh. We had a long top of the eighth, and then it just makes no sense to me to keep your starter in in such a blowout.
Honestly, I would've been irritated to see any of our starting pitchers still in the game at that point. After seven innings, we knew Gabbard did well. We still don't know what we have in our bullpen, and Wash decided to try out some of our new faces. I'll concede that it's questionable for him to stay in for the seventh, but I just don't understand the obsession with another inning out of him after we dropped another five runs on the Angels.
It was before that
I don't like seeing starters who are doing well pulled out of games early specifically because things like this can happen. If the guy is doing well and clearly has enough left in his tank to be out there for another inning, there is no reason to be pulling him early and waste bullpen arms who could potentially let the game get away. I think Wash has a tendency of doing this too. So what happens if we didn't score the 5 runs for Gabbard in the end? You're looking at a tie game, heading into the 10, with the Rangers having to use 4 bullpen arms already as opposed to letting Gabbard pitch the 8th and sticking in Fukomori for the 9th.
What was before that?
My point is that there's a huge difference between 6-0 and 11-0. Fukumori went out when it was 11-0 and did fine, and there's no way that any reasonable manager leaves Nippert in that long if the game is 6-0.
I don't think either one of us can say that Gabbard "clearly" had enough in his tank to go for another inning. If you don't trust the bullpen in these situations, when do you trust them? Never? Your argument still doesn't make sense to me.
how many pitchers
does it take to get 3 outs?
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
Well...
A win is a win, but doing so 11-0 would've felt a lot better than 11-6.
P.S. Big thanks to the camera man for making that ball look like it was crushed.
+1
I thought it was gone.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on Apr 5, 2008 12:40 AM CDT up reply actions
yeh you need at LEAST a 10 run lead ..
before you bring him in and that doesn't happen that often
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Well the starting pitchers are still way more important
than the back of our bullpen, and weve got 3 quality starts and 1 awful pitch.
Correct me if I'm wrong
but doesn't that make his ERA a tidy 81?
I know we're the Rangers, but how exactly can we go down from there?
And the starters' collective ERA is below 2
Prediction: the starters' ERA will go up and Nippert's will go down.
miles, look on the bright side
i think our boy matthew stafford has the Spring Game G Day game tom.
Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Apr 5, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions
The Miles jinx streak
remains intact.
It's getting seriously impressive at this point. Joe Dimaggio-impressive.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
by thedirkatron on Apr 5, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions
haha
lmao... I just thought about that.
Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Apr 5, 2008 12:46 AM CDT up reply actions
Excellent.
Stay like this will you. No more Mavs comments. I don't care if they win by 50 vs the Suns. Let's ride it out and see what happens in the playoffs.
Let's ride it out
and see if the playoffs happen.
"Sabean did a good job on selling high on Liriano." Excel Hearts Choi
relax we won
drinks are on me
Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle - Nolan Ryan
well everyone wanted to see Nippy pitch.
I wonder how many cocktails were downed during those 15 minutes?
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
What happen?
I take a deuce and the Angels drop 6 runs in the 9th? WTF?
by BillyBobisdrunk on Apr 5, 2008 12:42 AM CDT reply actions
I hope you
Brought some Tolstoy with you. You also might want to check yourself into a hospital.
by brettgardner on Apr 5, 2008 12:44 AM CDT up reply actions
+ 1
I guarandamntee you that if you tried to bounce a few chocolate bars by Gerald Laird he would block every one of them.
Brett just thinks he's funny
Don't let his funny mislead you
Over the years, my favorite pastime outside baseball is driving through a pasture looking at cattle - Nolan Ryan
by hurlerhurley on Apr 5, 2008 12:49 AM CDT up reply actions
OT: fantasy
I had to choose between ian kennedy (2ip, 6 er, 2 ks) and villanueva (5.1 ip, 2 runs, 6 ks, win) today.
i chose wrong.
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