National Champions!
Well as a few of you know, those few who actually pay attention to anything I post, know that I goto the University of Kansas. I just got back from San Antonio last night after having celebrated an extra day with the Jayhawk fans.
I arrived in SA on saturday and the atmosphere was just great. Each four schools were well represented with what seemed like UCLA being the least represented by fans, and KU the most, based probably simply on geographic location and the fact that it was in Big 12 country. Each school would rally at certain bars on the riverwalk and yell out their school chants as they walked down the river.
The Semi-Final games were not as electric as I expected. The crowds were pretty tame, probably based on the scores of each game. I was in section 338, which was almost at the other end of the alamodome, but at 300 dollars a ticket, you get what you pay for. The players were hard to see, and you could not see one basket clearly so you did not know if they made or missed shots unless you looked up at the Jumbotrons they had placed at each end, but I was pumped to be there reguardless.
On sunday I got a chance to meet a ton of people, all in the world of basketball mainly. I met former OSU coach sean sutton, who seemed real excited to meet fans, as he just walked around the KU bar greeting people. Then at the Mariot hotel bar there was analyst Len Elmore of ESPN and coach Rick Patino im all sure you are aware of his history, but apparently one guy did not when he yelled out "Oh my god its John Calipari!", and ran up to shake his hand. Then of course all of the ESPN gameday guys, Bilas, Digger, Reese Davis, and Bobby Knight. Knight was extremely nice to all the fans and graciously thanked anybody who talked to him. Interesting side note is we saw "Shwab" from "Stump The Shwab" and he was almost like a grip, just carrying bags and cameras around, basically doing intern work for the gameday guys.
The final game, simply put was intense. I was so nervous and mostly surrounded by Memphis fans in my section. Im sure most of you watched the game or saw the highlights, so you know what went on. I don't know if im extremely lucky or not to have already at the age of 23, been to personally the best sporting event that I will ever witness in my life. You should have seen the fans. Memphis fans go from almost mass hysteria with each second ticking down, to absolute dead silence. When Mario Chalmers made that shot, a sound that I really can't describe, I guess the closest thing would be a sonic boom, just exploded from the massive amounts of Kansas fans.
It was a moment I will never forget for the rest of my life, and I hope everybody has a chance to experience something like that once in their life. Hopefully a Rangers world series will mark it off alot of your guys list.
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Greatest Sporting Event
" I don't know if im extremely lucky or not to have already at the age of 23, been to personally the best sporting event that I will ever witness in my life. "
That's exactly the way I felt after attending the UT/USC Rose Bowl in '06. Although, I was 28 at the time.
by Topgun22 on Apr 9, 2008 3:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeppers
I was 22 at the time and that game will never be surpassed. And no offense to the OP, but the game we were at was, like, not even close to the basketball game.
by trident on Apr 9, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know
I thought you had photoshopped the cover of Tattoo You.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
Lucky win. Memphis had about 6 different things they could have done at the very end of the game to win it, and they did none. I guess it's nice to win, but I wouldn't be too proud of it.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just a question
Why should Kansas and their fans be any less proud of the team's achievement because Memphis choked?
by Randy Richardson on Apr 9, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
its not like kansas didn't have to make a really big three.
scap load or die
by ab03 on Apr 9, 2008 3:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only reason
They got to make a really big three was because Derrick Rose was either too stupid to be aware of the situation himself, or his coach told him not to foul. Either way, it should never have happened. You could leave in all those missed free throws and every other mistake Memphis made, and they still should have won that game.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I find your line of thinking absurd.
If Derrick Rose was "too stupid" that's part of the game. If he was unaware that is also part of the game. The level of intelligence and awareness of each team isn't a factor in their respective success? That's just crazy to me.
I personally find your back and forth with people a bit childish at times (not just on you) but I usually respect your overall sports knowledge. You have totally lost me here. Screams of sour grapes. Did you have money on Memphis? A bracket hanging on their win? I just don't get it because I don't follow your logic here.
Great game, great win by KU, and they deserve to be as proud as any NCAA champion.
by bdavison94 on Apr 9, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just saying
If it were me, I wouldn't be too proud of the fact that my school's team only won because the other team was too stupid to win. A win's a win. I get that. But you should be proud if your team wins because they're the better team, not because the other one gifted it away.
Nothing against Kansas. I'd feel the same about the Rangers, Mavs, Cowboys or even Tech, I guess. Not that they'll have the opportunity any time soon though.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
that line of reasoning. I watched the game - and I agree - it was one of the most monumental players/coach meltdowns in recent sports history. But, the other team must take advantage of the opportunities they're given. And, in sports, the better team often doesn't win - I don't think the team that's not as good on paper should take less pride or satisfaction from their victory.
by Randy Richardson on Apr 9, 2008 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this is the dumbest thing I've ever read
Seriously, the last I checked style points are irrelevant. Part of being the best team is coaching, free throw shooting and decision making. Self outcoached Calipari, Memphis missed their free throws and Kansas hit theirs, Dorsey made a stupid foul and fouled out. All those things are part of the game. Luck would have been if Rose had been injured or something, but luck had little to do with it, it was simply a case of execution at the end of the game. A win is a win. Period.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Apr 9, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luck had everything to do with it.
They got lucky they drew a team who mismanaged games all year. It's nice that they capitalized on the mistakes and made the most of their opportunities, but they didn't really deserve to win. Memphis played a shitty game, and Kansas played a good one, and they still needed to be bailed out by a dumb sequence at the end of regulation.
I really laugh at people like you who just shit out all these silly platitudes and banalities. If scores were everything, they'd just randomly generate results. Style does matter, and while Kansas does have a banner now and Memphis doesn't, I'm just saying that if I were a Kansas fan, I wouldn't be so proud.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
I don't see how it was lucky to draw Memphis. This wasn't a college football bowl game where arcane rules and backroom deals put them against each other. Kansas had to get by lots of good teams to get to Memphis, as did Memphis to get to the championship game.
Memphis may have choked, but Kansas had to be there to take advantage of it and then be able to do so. Was there luck? Sure. But things come down to luck in most close games
by JBImaknee on Apr 9, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand
How so many people are misinterpreting what I'm saying. You make it sound like I said Kansas didn't even deserve to play in the title game, which I certainly wouldn't say. They were a great team, and they played that way in the championship game itself, but the fact is, as great as they played, they had to be bailed out at the end of regulation.
I give credit to Self's ballsy fouling strategy, which helped, but if Rose fouls, the game ends. At the very least, if Cal call a timeout after the three, he could have given his team a chance.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Easy to understand
was there luck involved? Yes. I agree. There was luck involved.
Does it tarnish the victory for KU fans? Not really.
by JBImaknee on Apr 9, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
I'm talking about me. That's all. That's all I was ever talking about. Others are free to disagree.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really laugh at people
that think they have to use words like platitudes and banalities. You ooze mental greatness with each and every post.
Style points don't mean shit.
by corbsclinton on Apr 9, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give me
Some synonyms then. Have you seen Idiocracy?
I wish I could say what it is you ooze with each and every post, but since I'm not familiar with a single thing you've ever posted, I'd have to just hazard a guess and say irrelevance.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are brilliant brettgardner
Yeah, quiet this off season. 7 games in I'm still figuring out the team and not much into debating the greatness of Laird, whether Byrd should bunt or not, or aurguing something as stupid as Kansas fans shouldn't be proud they won the national championship game because the other team was too stupid to win. I'd rather read what others are seeing so far and occasionally laugh at how pompous you come across to the other people on the board.
by corbsclinton on Apr 9, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If that's your cup of tea
Then I'll be glad to oblige. By the way, how do you feel about Laird? Great catcher, or the greatest? You'll not find any debate from me on the Byrd bunting point--that post was noxious.
But I'm curious why it is that you specifically feel I'm being pompous? Is it really because I used the words "platitudes" and "banalities"? If so, that's pretty silly.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope....
....I was looking for a nice synonym for arrogant prick and pompous came to mind. It had nothing to do with platitudes.
by corbsclinton on Apr 9, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
You've dodged it again. Why am I an arrogant prick? You seem to be drawing a distinction yourself, with me as your inferior. That seems pretty arrogant, no?
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a dick because
I made this post to share with others what I thought was a very cool experience at the final four, and a moment I will never forget.
I never made any comments on how KU was so awesome and dominant or bragging on them but yet your only comment was "Meh, the better team didnt win"
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 4:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you like?
5 posts saying "Awesome"? This is a message board, and my opinion was very much relevant to the topic. You disagreeing with it doesn't make it less valid.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah
You can say whatever you want, but what you said was clearly only to be a dick and to spark up an argument for your own amusment.
I believe people call that trolling....
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm sorry
You feel that way. That wasn't my intention. My guess is you only feel that way because you go to Kansas. If this were about UConn, I doubt you'd think I was being as much of a dick.
Sorry to offend you, but if you're offended by what I said, you really need to grow up. Trolling would be to just call you a dick or something. I gave a relevant opinion about the game your post was about.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again, wrong.
You did not offend me whatsoever. Your just being extremely annoying, thats your only offense.
And please, please don't act like it was not your intention to start up an argument, do not be that huge of a Douche.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 5:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
"My guess is you only feel that way because you go to Kansas."
Does everybody in this thread besides you go to Kansas?
by a bebop a rebop on Apr 9, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're really a moron.
I said that in relation to his comment about me being a dick. The only other person who said that could offer no reasoning. My guess is you'll say it too, only in a way too pithy for mere mortals to understand.
It's OK. I love the random a bebop a rebop drop-in to check on me. It's so cute.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 11:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett,
Yes I think I have much better social skills than you. If that is arrogance guilty as charged. I also think you are highly intelligent. So much so, that I think you can answer your own question without asking me. Also, you win. Fill out your standard last word post and don't expect a reply.
by corbsclinton on Apr 9, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done.
It's very easy to be ambivalent when you don't have an actual opinion, no? Oh I envy you.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope....
....I was looking for a nice synonym for arrogant prick and pompous came to mind. It had nothing to do with platitudes.
by corbsclinton on Apr 9, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That is all I can say. I think you have a really warped view of sports. I don't think those are platitudes, I think they are truths. Every game ever played in every sport has some element of fortune in it, that is the nature of the game. I think it is interesting that you think Memphis played a poor game, I think it is interesting that you think Kansas' gameplan and defense had little to do with it. I think it is interesting that you think it is lucky Kansas drew a team with 2 lotter picks that had just dominated UCLA two days before. I mean, wow, that's all I can say really.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Apr 9, 2008 4:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm talking
About the end of the game. That's all. Everything that happened before that is part of the game. There's really no need for me to keep rehashing the same point, so just look what I've written in reply to everyone else.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
You talk about Kansas' lucky draw, so that is a little more significant a comment than the last 2 minutes of a game. I understand you are referring to Memphis' mismanagement of games when you refer to luck but I would also point out that you are talking about a team that mismanaged games so horribly that they set an NCAA record for wins in a season and had lost only game. The more I read your posts the more I think you are just being contrary for the sake of being contrary rather than speaking from any real knowledge or understanding of basketball. So I will leave it at that.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Apr 9, 2008 4:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet you will
You're talking about talent, and I'm talking about management. You're making the wrong comparison, and why? To make a point contrary to mine? That's what happens on message boards. Grow up.
Memphis and Kansas are both great teams, and you'll not find a single post from me which suggests anything to the contrary. My point was that the better team did not win because they collapsed internally rather than being beaten soundly by their opponent. If that's OK for you as a fan, then good for you. I'm talking about how I view the matter, and for me, there are levels of pride which must be earned.
I don't understand why you would question my basketball knowledge just because I disagree with you. That's pretty immature. I've at least spelled out why I feel the way I do with strategic points on the game itself. You've just essentially said that nothing matters but the final score, which I respect, if don't agree with. I haven't questioned your knowledge or motives because of it. So I guess I'll leave it at that too.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Score
Dictates which team is better. If Memphis was the better team, they would of won, simple as that.
Were the Giants better than the patriots? On superbowl sunday they were.
If Memphis was better than Kansas, they would of proved it by winning, instead they lost.
Oh and BTW, the fact that Kansas was down 9 with 2 mins left, and had little chance of winning, makes it even SWEETER, than if we had blown them out, it made it feel BETTER than if we were leading the whole game.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again
You've missed my point, but I guess it's fruitless to argue with you on this.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I have not missed your point
Allow me to quote you "My point was that the better team did not win because they collapsed internally rather than being beaten soundly by their opponent. "
Kansas was the better team, because they had the toughness to take victory from the grasp of defeat.
You know stat shows that? The Score.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more time
They didn't take that victory. Memphis handed it to them by not fouling or calling a timeout at the end of regulation. That's the last time I'm going to make that quite obvious point. Your team won, so don't let me diminish it for you. Jeez.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on....
you crapped on the win right off the bat.
As tried to say above, the lack of smart game management on the part of Memphis, for whatever reason, is part of the game. It counts just as much as a missed FT or FG. It counts as much as a stupid foul or a great shot. I find it odd that you don't see it that way.
by bdavison94 on Apr 9, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very rarely
At any point in the game can you point to a play/call/decision that actually has a substantive effect on the outcome. There's too much web to untangle. Not so at the end of the game, where causality is readily apparent.
If the exact same sequence had occurred at the end of the first half, then I would agree with you, but since it happened at the end, the chances for a different outcome are greatly diminished. You can rightly point to a situation like that and say this team would have won, but for the situation, and yes, I do see a difference between management and in-game play.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you understand
Why people do not agree with you...
Getting that anal about a specific detail of a game and using it to say "Meh, the better team did not win"
That game, and how Kansas won, is exactly what sports is all about. Nobody except for Memphis fans were taking your line of thought.
Its about the spirit of the game, not some technicality like failing to foul at the end of a game.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I doubt you'd want Bill Self taking that attitude.
by brettgardner on Apr 9, 2008 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
Thats why he is a coach and I am just a fan.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but if the last thing at the end of the game
was something kansas had to do, and it wasn't a foregone conclusion that they would be able to do it. In baseball, a pitcher might leave a fat curveball over the plate but all the credit goes to the hitter for hitting it out of the park. that three by mario chalmers was anything but a gimmee. if the foul wasn't the issue (lets say down by two instead of three), and they had played bad defense that led to an open 18ft jumpshot that kansas made, wouldn't the credit still go to kansas for coming up clutch on the shot?
scap load or die
by ab03 on Apr 9, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know how easy it would be
To cherry pick about 100 things in the game that if they had gone differently the other team would of won?
I mean give me a break.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Besides
I am not sure Kansas is much different than Memphis. Kansas dominated the paint and their guards harassed Rose pretty well. If they play 10 times I think Kansas probably wins at least half of those games. This was no mismatch.
Fire Ron Washington
by pblack on Apr 9, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im so sorry
Im sorry that Memphis missed freethrow opportunities, im sorry that they could not win.
I mean I know KU should of just ran out the clock after those missed freethrows, and been like "you know what guys, you deserve it here ya go!"
If im not mistaken I believe the score at the beginning of the overtime was all tied up right? Memphis had a whole 5 mins to prove who was the better team, they failed.
by SaltyGoesYard on Apr 9, 2008 3:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is the NCAA tourney over?
I haven't been paying attention.
A working class hero is something to be.
by t ball on Apr 9, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
only 47 more games left t ball
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Apr 9, 2008 5:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats Salty
It had to be sweet to be there. Lucky you.
Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.
by Brian Thomas on Apr 9, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
"You are this month's NYTXFAN." - t ball
by Chase Irwin on Apr 9, 2008 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I was being serious
I can see how that came across as sarcastic, though.
Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.
by Brian Thomas on Apr 10, 2008 8:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you mean
to reply to me? I was confused thinking I missed some sort of clever joke.
A working class hero is something to be.
by t ball on Apr 10, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
Brian was being sarcastic about Salty's "moment."
Apologies for the confusion.
"You are this month's NYTXFAN." - t ball
by Chase Irwin on Apr 10, 2008 10:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No. I think I was going to make a joke to you, changed my mind, and forgot to unreply
I guess I was distracted by my vicarious joy for Salts Mcyardy...
Rex Hudler is in demand as a motivational speaker.
by Brian Thomas on Apr 10, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, sure.
You won the National Championship. But I wouldn't enjoy it if I were you. Really, it's not that big a deal. Neither team was that good, and you got lucky anyway.
/brettgardner
by a bebop a rebop on Apr 9, 2008 11:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You crack me up.
You've got nothing to say to me above, so you distort my opinion, in what I'm guessing is a pathetic attempt to feel adequate about yourself. It's really pretty laughable. Nobody's buying, though.
I'm so sorry that I didn't know who you were 4 or 5 months ago, but I'm very happily reaping the rewards of your discontent. Keep it up.
by brettgardner on Apr 10, 2008 12:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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