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Jayson Stark on Zito, Hammy/Volquez, and more

Read the whole article guys(http://tinyurl.com/5q3bb8) was entertaining!-it

On Zito:

Rumbling through the jungle

• Baked Zito -- the appetizer: An official of one pitching-starved team said this week: "I think I could trade for Barry Zito right now. But who the hell would want to?"

Jonny Boy is that you?

 

So we posed this question: How much money would the Giants have to pay of Zito's remaining $112.5 million or so to get somebody -- anybody -- interested?

 

"The Giants would have to eat 80 percent -- I'm talking $80-90 million," the official replied. "But they'd never do that. If that's what they'd have to eat, they might as well just let the guy keep being horse[feathers]."

A year and a half ago I  strongly wanted us to make apush and appairently we did.  He just took the bigger pay day.  Can't blame him can you.  But maybe taking a flyer on him now wouldn't be a complete waste of time,  I mean maybe we could still get a prospect back.  He has shown some great skills at times, a sick nasty curve, and he has been a durable work horse.

 

 

On the Hammy/Volquez trade:

Most even deal of the winter -- Josh Hamilton from Cincinnati to Texas for Edinson Volquez. Who got the better of this deal? Maybe nobody. Hamilton leads the major leagues in RBIs (32), and leads the AL in extra-base hits (17). And Volquez leads the NL in ERA (1.23), and trails only John Smoltz and Jonathan Sanchez in strikeout ratio (10. 1 per 9 IP). When was the last time any trade looked this rewarding for both teams?

Google that up boys, see when the last trade in M.L. history has worked out for both teams.  I'm interested and lazy so I won't.  Would volquez be doing that in Arlington?  I'd at first say no because of two things.  One, our team is horrible on defense, and secondly, we have no offense to support him and win.  (I lied, Texas is much better offensively than Cinni).  Defensively they arent that far apart(http://tinyurl.com/3u2tgx).

Now, of course offense doesn't make a pitcher pitch with a 1.23 era our have that type of K ratio, but Im sure having a good offense and defense does a lot more for the pitchers confidence.   I believe thats what he lacked in Arlington. 

I didn't want to bring up the trade, but I would have really liked to have kept Eddy V.  Of course I really like Hammy, but pitching is what takes you deep in the playoffs.  Im just really suprised that this team hasn't grasped that concept.  We will forever be known as "the team that gets by with shaky, injury prone pitching, but wow Bill, what a fantastic offense they have."  Get my point.  Any way Im pleased with this trade. There are way more risks with young pitchers than there is with young positional players.

• The next big thing?: It's 10 years ago now since the Yankees handed a $1.52-million signing bonus to a 16-year-old Dominican pitcher by the name of Ricardo Aramboles. It's believed that no Latino pitcher (non-Cuban division) has topped that bonus since. But there's so much buzz about a Dominican right-hander named Michel Inoa, it looks as if Aramboles' record is in serious danger this summer. More than a dozen teams are in on Inoa, who is already hitting 94 on the gun -- at age 16.

And I really hope JD is one of those guys, seriously bidding for this kids services.  And honestly, Im sure he is.  I think we have one of the best chances to land him to be honest.

Player of the month -- Chipper Jones
There are cases to be made for Chase Utley, Albert Pujols, Derrek Lee, Hanley Ramirez and Manny Ramirez (among others). But how can we not award this honor to a guy who hit .410, rolled up an 1.145 OPS, bombed eight homers and essentially won four games for his injury-wracked team single-handedly? The only other players to emerge from last 10 Aprils with an average this high and this many home runs: Barry Bonds in 2004 (.472, 10 HR) and Vladimir Guerrero in 2000 (.410, 8 HR).

Beastly Chipper, but no mention of Hammy here?  What?  Im flabergasted. 

Well thats it for me right now.

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just curious...

why do you think “we have one of the best chances to land” Inoa?

by oc on May 1, 2008 9:02 PM CDT reply actions  

I just feel that with us having one of the better Latin programs in the majors,

he might feel more comfortable, I guess.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on May 2, 2008 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

Curious

What is the track record of latin players signed in their mid-teens? Do they tend to make an impact on an ML roster at any greater, or lesser, rate than those drafted after HS or college?

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on May 1, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions  

The Rangers Latin M.O. would probably have them dividing the $1.6M up between four $400K prospects rather than throwing all their huevos en uno basquetero.

by shroomer on May 1, 2008 9:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

agree

I saw an article the other day that said that Cincinnati paid Johnny Cueto something like a $10,000 bonus. I’d rather get 4-5 really talented Latin teens than get just one super talented one. It seems best to stack the odds with some quantity rather than that huevos-basketero thing you talk about.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on May 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering the following contracts,

I don’t understand cheaping out in overseas FA.

Frank Catalanotto 3 years/$13.5 Million
Jason Jennings 1 Year/$4 million
Ben Broussard 1 year/$3.85 million

Throwing away money on crappy FAs at $4 million a year for guys who give you AAAA performances seems to be a much worse way to spend money.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on May 2, 2008 9:16 AM CDT up reply actions  

Cat

thats the deal i still wish the rangers never did. he wasn’t worth the lost draft pick.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on May 2, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

eom

Every loss is one step closer to the top of the draft in 2009!

by knockoutking on May 2, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

Cat and Broussard may hve been JD’s two worst signings.

by LSJ on May 2, 2008 6:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Except

he didn’t sign Broussard.

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on May 4, 2008 6:23 AM CDT up reply actions  

we gave seattle some trinkets and magic beans for him, and i want the magic beans back!

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on May 4, 2008 8:32 AM CDT up reply actions  

He did trade for him

and then agree to a 3.85 million contract.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on May 4, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Hicks doesnt spend over 1M on foreign FA's.

he goes on the cheap, not nec. a bad thing to get 2 $600,000 guys instead, that is unless you wait 2 seasons and trade a Tex to get him instead.

i been pushing for the rangers to really put an assload of money into the latin american fa market. i hope we start goin after these guys.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on May 1, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions  

see shroomer's post above

I think that’s a smarter way to go with kids that age, given the attrition rates.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 1, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions  

honestly

a bench player can make that money in a year…....and we saved a lot of money this offseason lol. I honestly don’t see the problem in getting Inoa and 4-5 other very talented very young Dominican FA’s also…..the price would be less than one year of JHJ…....The Agenda of this organization is to rebuild from the bottom up and Latin America is quoted as a primary goal as it should. Isn’t it the smart/best move to spend maybe 2 mil in getting a super-prospect and 5+ Very Talented Prospects.

Now I’m not trying to be unrealistic or even dreaming, like the guy in the offseason who wants the Rangers to get Santana, Bedard, Hunter, and Miguel Cabrera/Willis “and then we’d be SET!” lol. I just think this should seriously be our strategy for what our organization is doing…..If you get 1 all-star out of 5 Dominican prospects, any amount of money is worth it…right??? Now i know that is striking gold. But with the money we saved this offseason and with the trades we’ve made last season, we can afford to make a hard run at Latin America and we should…..I’d be disappointed if we don’t

by slash on May 2, 2008 8:40 AM CDT up reply actions  

Sure, if you believe in a guy that much,

go get him. But a team has to be smart allocating their money. If they spend that much money signing Latin guys that might impact how much they have for the draft.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 2, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions  

We were EXTREMELY inactive this offseason in signing FA's

which is a good thing. The guys we went after were waaaay overpriced.

So I think now is the time where we should sign Inoa while signing other young kids too. We should also go above slot money (if needed) at the draft to bring a solid talent.

I mean WTF, we got money on Arod’s deal. Why can’t we use that money on Inoa and if he doesn’t pan out. We can just think of it as if Arod never left the deal. Hicks won’t do that though.

by Coolbean04 on May 1, 2008 11:24 PM CDT reply actions  

or suppose a top prospect in the draft pulls a Porcello...

...and falls down to us…

...think this team has the balls to pony up and pay?

by oc on May 1, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

HELL NO!

Big Daddy would much rather have it in his very own pocket than in some prospects.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on May 2, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hicks

has never been unwilling to bust the pocketbook in the draft. There are a lot of stuff you can critcize him for but this probably isn’t one.

What I think might happen is if a guy demands a ML contract like Porcello did last year. If a guy like Hosmer demands it, I’m not sure you can give it to him since the 40 is pretty inflexible as it is thanks to the signing of Mr. Julio Borbon to a ML contract.

by FirebatM3 on May 2, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions  

porcello
weaver
the meyers draft

those are 3 examples just off the top of the head.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on May 2, 2008 2:47 AM CDT up reply actions  

Hosmer....

By the way, most of the info i am reading pretty much states that it will take 7.5 mil, but not a 40 man to get this kid…..

Im all for that.

by laxtonto on May 2, 2008 7:08 AM CDT up reply actions  

+1

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Weaver

was hardly the consensus #1 pick at that time. We can all pick and choose to our heart’s content, but the fact of the matter is that Hicks has paid for good players both at the beginning and in the later rounds. To say he’s a guy that doesn’t open up his pocketbooks is stretching it.

by FirebatM3 on May 2, 2008 9:01 AM CDT up reply actions  

jared weaver was a consensus top 3-5 pick

he wanted an assload of money and he slipped into the 20+ range in the draft and we didnt draft him b/c hicks didnt wanna spend the money.

im not saying he was the top pick in the draft but we passed on both him and porcello for signability issues and weaver is a top of the rotation guy.

im sick of passing on top of the rotation guys in later parts of the 1st round to save hicks a few million bucks he can piss away on the next cat or blewhard. really really sick of it.

there isnt a guy here who lets either of those guys slide past them if they are an owner or a gm of an MLB team.

.500 or bust!

Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on May 2, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions  

He went 12th

And there were some doubts as to whether he was a top of the rotation guy.

More like a very polished, low-risk 2/3.

Though I 100% agree that going cheap in the draft and Latin America is stupid when the amount of money you spend on a guy like Cat or Jennings could make a real tangible difference in the quality of players you bring in.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Of course...

...they also went above slot to sign Beavan, Borbon and Ramirez this past year. They went above slot for Ocampo.

They went well above slot for Vince Sinisi. They went well above slot for Mark Teixeira.

by Adam J. Morris on May 2, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions  

Well

on the other end of the spectrum you have guys like Teixeira, Sinisi getting way above slot deals early, and guys like Patrick Boyd, Taylor Teagarden, Julio Borbon, Neil Ramirez and Marcus Lemon getting above slot deals.

And as mentioned above, I don’t think the Weaver/Drew Meyers drafts were all about “Big Daddy” not wanting to spend dollars.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 2, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Thanks J J!!!!!

That’s some GOOD STUFF :)

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on May 1, 2008 11:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Sometimes I try

Thanks man

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on May 2, 2008 5:03 AM CDT up reply actions  

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