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Hank Blalock, first baseman

Hank Blalock is moving to first base.

Seriously.  When he comes off the d.l., he will be coming back as a full-time first baseman.

I don't get this.  I think this is a bad decision, although Ron Washington and Jon Daniels apparently think it will help the team.

But I don't see how having Blalock at first base, and a Ramon Vazquez/German Duran combo at third base, makes the team better than having Blalock at third base and a Cat/Shelton platoon at first base.

And it will be interesting to see who gets whacked to make room for Blalock.  I originally figured it would be Duran...but if Blalock is going to be a full-time first baseman, you can't really get rid of Duran, I don't imagine.  He (or Vazquez) will be your only backup infielders.

Chris Shelton would seem the obvious choice, but Shelton is one of your few righty bats on the bench.  Blalock, Cat, Murphy, and Vazquez are all going to have issues with lefty pitchers, which makes having a righty bench bat valuable.

Cat?  I don't know what they'd do with him...maybe they'd trade him, but I don't know what sort of deal is out there for him.  I doubt they'd just eat his contract and release him, since he is productive.

This also, though, seems to signal a couple of potential long-term effects.  First, Blalock changing positions opens the door for Michael Young to move to third base.  Young moving off of shortstop is inevitable, and given his defensive deficiencies, and the team's groundball, pitch-to-contact pitching staff orientation, the sooner that happens, the better.  Having no real long-term solution at third base, rather than Blalock, makes it a lot easier to slide Young over there.

And second...this seems to indicate Blalock isn't going to be a Ranger much longer.  He's a free agent after 2009 anyway, and Chris Davis has been thought to be moving into the first base job as soon as this August or September.  I'm guessing that this offseason is going to see Blalock dealt, and Chris Davis and Michael Young manning the corners come Opening Day, 2009.

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Wow

Does this facilitate moving MY to third? If so, does Duran stay up to play short, and we option Shelton back to AAA?

by jwiscarson on May 18, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shelton

is out of options. If he were DFA’d, we would certainly lose him.

by chrisR on May 18, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only if he refused assignment

He hasn’t exactly been lighting it up and I doubt anyone would claim him.

by venturafearsnolan on May 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

if he were DFA’d, he’d certainly refuse. He’d probably want to sign a minor league contract with the team that offers him the best chance to come back to the big leagues later on. And that team is most definetily not the Rangers.

by chrisR on May 18, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The team would probably be better off

selling Cat for 10 cents on the dollar, and take whatever return they could get for him.

Cat is not young, has no irreplaceable skills, or defensive position. For a rebuilding team, he doesn’t bring much to the table other than trade value, and given how he has played with the Rangers, I really don’t think he will bring all that much if you let him peak out his trade value.

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by DJCahill on May 19, 2008 8:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Duran

He can’t play shortstop.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Michael Young

I don’t see him moving until this offseason.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even if the season's in the tank after the ASB?

I mean, we’ve played well lately, but my Ranger’s radar tells me that we’re due for a long losing streak.

Is that a really hard switch?

by jwiscarson on May 18, 2008 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he can't throw

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on May 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No

He can barely get the ball from second to first.

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by B_Black on May 18, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

shoulder injury last year

apparently sapped all of his arm strength.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on May 18, 2008 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

DFA?

Seriously, why does he need a spot on the 40-man. If he can’t play defense, nonetheless play it well, he has no use or value to anyone.

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

if he ever gets more than a cup of coffee, I’ll be shocked.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on May 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Doesn't have the range, imo

Probably a negligible difference from Young, though, in that respect.

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by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based off of what I've read and heard

He wasn’t ever a good fielding SS, but if we are talking about a stop-gap and a way to get a young player more ABs, I wouldn’t complain much.

by Gdawg on May 18, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow....I'm stunned

why would Hank agree to this? Surely he has to see the move decreasing his value, as I don’t see him being an above average 1bman.

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on May 18, 2008 12:36 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

He volunteered?

Thanks, Hank!

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on May 18, 2008 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Elvis

will be in Arlington this year.

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on May 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Insane.

No point in freeing up 3B now.

This may be the result of Vazquez playing well the past few weeks. Or maybe Blalock doesn’t feel like he’s an adequate 3B defensively anymore. Either way, what the hell?

by LiamP on May 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm shocked

Does this mean that Hank can’t play 3B anymore?
If so, then would any team be interested in him in the offseason given that he’d be seen as an average 1B (production-wise)?

by chrisR on May 18, 2008 12:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

stupid move imo

do they really think vasquez is better than cat or duran is better than shelton over the long haul?

putting a lot of faith in vasquez

by kumizi on May 18, 2008 12:41 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I like this

This team needs to improve the infield defense in order to be successful.

Success in baseball derives from pitching and defense. Success does not derive from installing the best bat at every position.

The marginal increase in offensive production from Vasquez / Duran / Blalock to Blalock / Cat / Shelton is not worth the decrease in defense.

At third, Hank has become a defensive liability. At first, he’s an asset.

by LukeR on May 18, 2008 12:42 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well there are stats that measure that

but i doubt that the defensive liability outweighs the offensive production…at least if you look at vasquez’s career numbers

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unselfish move.

This is really a shocker. There is something clicking with this team and it looks like Hank saw it as an opportunity to get some production out of first base, so he did it. Much like MY moving to short a few years ago. I guarantee it NOBODY saw this coming.

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by EssBee on May 18, 2008 12:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree with you often, Adam.

But I’m actually fine with this. That, of course, makes me second guess whether or not I should be fine with it, but I liked the idea of moving Blalock to first (albeit down the road more) for a while.

by philkid3 on May 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

And what happens

when Chris Davis is called up?

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this means

as long as we are in contention Davis stays in AAA. If we start falling back in the AL West, we trade Blalock and bring up Davis.

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

I think that’s likely the way it shakes out.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Which

will probably help him out… As noted, he needs to get his K rate down.

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on May 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Although we never know how he’ll be looking later in the season, but then we also don’t know how the team will be looking.

by philkid3 on May 18, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree w/ AJM

I think it is stupid to shuffle Blalock around the infield so that Vazquez stays in the lineup and Shelton/Catt move to the bench. Incredibly stupid.

And if we had to endure Laird at Catcher “to increase his trade value”, then shouldn’t that apply to other tradable assets as well?

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on May 18, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Okay
And if we had to endure Laird at Catcher "to increase his trade value"

“endure Laird at Catcher”? He’s been pretty good this season.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey I'll admit that

But I do find it funny that Laird’s play took off after he went back into a platoon role, and had to fight for his playing time again.

Just sayin.

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, color me surprised.

I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong, but Laird has been far from a poor spot. He might just deserve to be an All Star.

by philkid3 on May 18, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tricer

is stuck in perpetual spring training mode this year.

by FirebatM3 on May 18, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Awful decision

Blalock at 3b and Cat/Shelton is significantly better offensively with almost no dropoff at all defensively.

Ramon Vazquez’s career numbers are terrible, and german duran has done nothing at all.

Chris Shelton has started to do well, why do this now?

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

metcalf?

is metcalf still a possibility at third? i dont know what the situation w/ the roster and whatnot is….

by mdd on May 18, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

bleh

He’s in AAA right now, but bleh.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is a mistake

Washington loves Vazquez and wants him on the field. And unless his entire career is the fluke, rather than his 74 ABs this year, he is going to tank offensively, and you’ll be worse off.

But in the bigger picture, unless they are willing to revers this move, they have put themselves in a bad spot. Young needs to move to 3B imo, but Andrus is NOT close to being ready. I’m thinking 2010 at the earliest for Andrus, which would fit nicely with Blalock leaving, not with this move, followed by Young moving next spring.

And my next fear is them filling SS with an overpaid spare and eventually blocking Andrus when he actually is ready.

I just do not see the dominoes falling in a positive way here.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

fwiw

I think the possibility of Andrus being blocked by someone are minimal. I think this move is, in no small part, about setting things up to get Young off of shortstop this offseason to clear the way for Andrus.

I think you could see Arias or a one-year stopgap guy like Adam Everett at SS in 2009, but I think this move makes it more likely, rather than less likely, that Andrus steps into the job at shortstop the moment he is ready.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam

You are thinking about an organization run by Daniels, though, not whoever Ryan brings in. Andrus will SUCK offensively for a good three years if they rush him. He’s just not ready. He can barely handle AA right now. If they bring him up soon, his entire status will suffer, and he won’t look like a viable hitter. Then he’s in limbo and you have to fill the spot.

I mean I’m much more worried about them rushing him now than him being blocked eventually, but the two can go hand in hand.

I’ve seen this act before.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think that...

...it is that likely Ryan axes Daniels and brings his own person in?

If so, then that changes the complexion of everything…and, really, makes what happens this season much less meaningful in terms of the long-term.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that happens

I quit being a Rangers fans.

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That better not happen...

I will hate Nolan Ryan forever if he does that.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please God

Make Nolan Ryan go away. What has he done to deserve all this reverence and respect, except throw a bunch of no-hitters? I’m sick of every move being peppered with what Nolan Ryan thought of it, and every plan being colored by what HIS plans are. If he’s going to drop the bomb, just do it, and stop sticking that wrinkled round head in every decision.

by brettgardner on May 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

¡Vámonos!

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go look up

Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel at baseballreferemce.com. They were great defensive SS before there bat became ML caliber. However, they led there teams into the WS.

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on May 18, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Led"

I think you are using that term pretty loosely. There were many other player on those teams that were more instrumental to their success.

by DaheelzCM on May 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact that

Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel exist doesn’t make it a good idea to rush Andrus.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummmm

I think Ozzie and Vizquel being brought would be a COUNTER-argument to bringing Andrus up early.

Both Ozzie and Vizquel were brought up by their ORIGINAL teams, but then, “led” their SECOND teams to World Series appearances.

Ozzie (originally brought up by the Padres, won WS with Cardinals)
Vizquel (originally brought up by Mariners, got to WS with Indians)

So, yes, if you want Andrus to skip town and give whichever team hires him a WS appearance, let’s use Ozzie Smith and Omar Vizquel as examples….

R

by Requiem on May 18, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, I stand corrected

And after seeing Andrus play today I think he needs until Sept 2009 in the minors.

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on May 18, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A Rangers team with...

Davis 1b
Kinsler 2b
Everett SS
Young 3b
Murphy RF
Hamilton CF
Blalock LF
Bradley/MaxRam DH
Laird/Salty/Teagarden/etc C

I could be very happy with that next season.

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by trza on May 18, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i do agree

with adam’s sentiment and this one that in teh short term, there isn’t really a good roster fix here. you are messing with a roster that seems to be performing well. it wouldn’t be terrible just to replace blalock with vasquez and have vasquez super sub. there are too many issues with letting a producing member of this team go right now. would have been a lot easier to axe the young but underproducing german

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrus

you really think it’s 2010 before he gets here? Andrus will be ready before that and i wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him this year.

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by sprite on May 18, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

He’ll arrive when he’s ready. What’s the hurry?

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andrus

He’s not hitting in AA right now. I don’t see how it would make sense to rush him to the majors.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly

he isnt hitting, he needs to be able to hit aa and aaa pitching before he can be counted on in the majors.

defensively he could play right now

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by rentz on May 18, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

hes not exactly lighting up AA.

I think he should get time next year, but it seems like many are pencilling him in as the opening day starter and that seems premature.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know what they'll do

but unless he really clicks offensively he doesn’t need to be here any sooner than 2010, and I’m not so sure that I wouldn’t like to see him repeat a year at AA or AAA (which would make it mid-2010 to spring 2011), so that he has gained enough strength and maturity offensively by the time you install him as your every day SS.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

my fear is this is all to get vazquez into more games, which while he’s done well of late is still a very very bad move. wash likes these journeyman / fringe guys way too much.

and while i didnt think it was a bad idea in the offseason to move blalock to 1b, i dont see it as being good now. since davis is likely close to coming up and playing first and theyve got shelton and cat there now, the dropoff is huge moving blalock and his bat off third.

on the topic of andrus, i agree 2010 at the earliest. he could play ss defensively right now but he just doesnt have the bat for the majors yet.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on May 18, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i still don't get the philosophy behind this

but a couple of guesses:

-less wear and tear on hank and he wants to stay on the field

-washington really believes that hank sucks at third and young sucks at SS and they need to facilitate the switch sooner rather than later.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on May 18, 2008 12:54 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Your first point

is pretty much exactly what I think may be going on.

Hank has more value as a 3B, but he has zero value as an injured 3b. If you have reason to believe that diving around 3rd is contributing to his inability to stay on the field, then this is the right move, regardless of other considerations. Vazquez/Hank is better than Vazquez/Shelton, if those are the only two options.

by JBImaknee on May 18, 2008 3:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm confused.

Just a few weeks ago, the Rangers felt they had a weakness against LHP and that was one of the reasons Shelton was brought up. Well, this move (Blalock 1B, Vazquez 3B and possibly Shelton out) makes them more vulnerable to LHP.

Why would they block their best prospect in the minors? I guess they plan on trading Blalock, but wouldn’t he have more trade value as a 3B?

by Randy Richardson on May 18, 2008 12:55 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

AJM

I thought I read that Max Ramirez played 1B a little while ago. What do you think happens to him if Davis ends up at 1B?

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Wow

This is definitely a surprise. I laughed at everyone here who suggested this, it’s not a good idea in my view. You’ve diminished the team’s chances for success now, and probably diminshed Blalock’s value as well considering the paucity of 3B available this winter.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 18, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

Even though he’s not a great(or even good) defensive 3B, there’d be no reason that other teams wouldn’t target him as a 3B, regardless of where we play him this season.

by venturafearsnolan on May 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that

teams still might target him as a 3B, but I wouldn’t say that there is no reason that they wouldn’t. This is a franchise with no legitimate 3B besides Blalock and no legitimate 3B prospect coming. Unless they move Young, it would be human nature for other teams to ask themselves why the Rangers would move him, and the reflex response is that they just don’t like him there.

Again, you certainly could see people overlook it. Glaus moved back to 3B. But I don’t think that it helps his value at 3B unless he hits really well.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It has to introduce a little optionality, no?

For instance, if you have a butcher at 3B, you move Blalock there and whoever to 1B.

Obviously he has to hit quite well for his value to be relevant.

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem
For instance, if you have a butcher at 3B, you move Blalock there and whoever to 1B.

I don’t know that there are many regular third basemen who are worse defensively than Blalock.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be hard-pressed, for sure

On cursory levels, I think Ensberg’s best days are behind him. Mike Lamb and Casey Blake would also be close, no?

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to ZR

in a small sample size, Blalock (.776) has been better than:

Crede (.768)
Encarnacion (.766)
Wright (.765)
Blake (.765)

and significantly better than:
Bautista (.746)
Atkins (.734)
Aramis Ramirez (.722)
Lamb (.702)
Gordon (.701)

Not great, but not completely horrible, either.

R

by Requiem on May 18, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 4:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

He’s no great shakes, but he’s also not Ryan Braun/Miggy Cabrera-level liability bad. I guess those guys aren’t thirdbasemen any more, though.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on May 18, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

Other teams will think (especially because Blalock apparently volunteered to move) that he will never be healthy enough to handle 3B again or that he just isn’t good defensively there anymore. So then you have a guy who has lots of questions about his consistency and his durability, and now they have to question his positional value as well.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 18, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ive suggested it and I stand by it.

Good move in my eyes, just bad timing. Blalok should have moved next year, with a one year stop gap at third, then 2010 hopefully Andrus is ready and he goes to short with Young going to third.

Good move by the team, just really bad timing in my eyes.

The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ

by NYTXFAN on May 18, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

what does this mean for chris davis though

is his ranger debut delayed past september then?

i guess they are taking it super slow with him.

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 1:03 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

When were you expecting to see him?

"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08

by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davis

He’s 22 years old…the age of most of the college juniors drafted in 2007. Having him on schedule to be up in September isn’t taking it super slow with him. Really, it is still fast-tracking him…

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

davis

i wasnt expecting him sooner than sept. anyway

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by rentz on May 18, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but you were expecting him in september right?

i was actually expecting him in august. I think the rangers would have been out of it at that point and instead of just letting him get reps in AAA, he would get them here. I don’t think it’s that important that davis needs to see a lot of AAA pitching before getting to the majors. and comparing him to college Juniors or the majority of minor leaguers is making an interesting point but it’s not controlling. some hitters mature faster than others.

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

not necessarily. but thats the absolute earliest i was expecting him.
realistically i figured he might get a sept callup and be in running for the job in st

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by rentz on May 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Super slow?

The guy is in his second full season out of JuCo. He’s on a successful university track so far, and him improving his approach at the plate may take some time. I think that too many of us are getting ahead of ourselves with Davis and Andrus. These guys are not ready, and Andrus isn’t even close to ready.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Baffling

though i’m not gonna get too worked up about it. I just want to see Hank back. And I’m still trying to figure out how a Padilla/Gabbard/Feldman/Ponson rotation makes us contenders.

by SteveP on May 18, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Like others...

I just don’t get this move right now. This is something you do in the off-season. Not 2 months into the season. This makes no sense unless they plan on moving MY to 3rd right now (which I don’t think they will do, and question if the organization even has the balls to ask him to move again, i.e. Sori).

Like AJM says I think this makes Blalock’s days in Arlington numbered. Which makes me sad. I really like Hank. I just don’t understand why now all of a sudden many players in the organization are moving to 1B or getting playing time there (Davis, JMJ, MaxRam, and now Hank). I understood Davis being moved there, and even MaxRam getting some playing time there. JMJ played 1B in college so I guess that just gives him some more options as well. However this move right now just makes little sense.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:08 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

and really

there was maybe a better chance that we were going to see JMJ in the majors this year. i wonder if he doesn’t move back to right

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

What do the Rangers gain from this move? If anything, they are weaker due to dificiency against left handed pitching.

Wait 'til the year after next

by NothinG on May 18, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So against lefties

now we will have blalock/duran instead of blalock/shelton.

we really didnt need to add another lefty weakness to the lineup.

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by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:14 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Duran is right-handed

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

and he's not good

which is why: a)we would see him against lefties and b) he would be a weakness

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Duran needs to be back in AAA playing everyday.

by Randy Richardson on May 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur

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by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

although

when you put it like that, is it that big of a loss? is duran so much worse than shelton?

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by ab03 on May 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly my point

And Chris Shelton actually has reverse splits. He’s historically hit better against RHP than LHP, making him an unideal platoon player.

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well thats why he would be batting at all

but he hasnt hit anything, lefty or right tis year.

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by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess...

Travis Metcalf will be the semi-regular third baseman in another month or so.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

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by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just mentioned that below myself

That’s gotta be the plan, because Vazquez/Duran at 3B is going to be largely worthless offensively once Vazquez cools off (and he will, according to his track record).

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

isnt the general thought that he kind of sucks as well?

but with duran/vazquez being the other options… i do hope he gets the time.

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by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Metcalf

I don’t think he would be a productive hitter at the major league level, but he’s the best defensively of the three.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I haven't seen much...

The org may be comfortable with him there. And Duran is starting against a RHP at 3B today.

Ultimately, though, I think this was largely driven by defense, and a belief Blalock is too big a defensive liability to stay at 3B.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think that it is driven by defense too

I wouldn’t underestimate Washington’s attraction to Vazquez, but he also probably likes the idea of having a quality defender at 3B (Metcalf) PLUS the ability to use Vazquez wherever. I just think that he will want to be sure to get Vazquez very regular ABs, and it seems like a lot of those may need to come at 3B.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Z

At this point, do you think the organization sees Duran as more of a UT player than a guy that will go full-time eventually?

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know

I think that the only spot that he figures to be a real asset (assuming his bat comes along) as an every day player is 2B, and that’s not an option right now. So in my mind he’s best served as a super sub type right now. But I don’t know what their attitude toward him is.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

I’ve been very impressed with him there.

Although I remember seeing Metcalf there last year, and he looked pretty good defensively as well.

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by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You

Don’t think he’s pretty good defensively?

by brettgardner on May 18, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do

I think that he is a very solid defensive 3B who is not a legitimate major league hitter, just like quite a few guys his age in AAA (at their respective positions).

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

I agree with that. I just misunderstood your point, I suppose.

by brettgardner on May 18, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's my general problem with all of this

Everyone wants good defense. You can’t have guys playing positions that they just flat out can’t handle, because it would cost too many runs. But the flip side of that is that some managers, and I get the feeling that Washington is one of these, want good defense no matter how much it costs them offensively. It’s the old idea that if you pitch and play defense the offense will take care of itself.

And all of these options, Vazquez, Metcalf, Duran (for the time being), Arias, Andrus (for the time being), are SO bad offensively that the marginal improvement defensively does not figure to have any chance to outweigh having huge liabilities in your order, especially at a position where you should be getting offense.

If they were really trying to win now, yes they might move Blalock to 1B, but they should then move Young to 3B and go get a really good defensive SS.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

Agree all around. And I’d be fine with Young moving right now.

by brettgardner on May 18, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Devil's advocate

the offense has been pretty good. Do you think they’re more worried about the pitching holding up long term if the defense isn’t improved? In other words, maybe they feel they have more room for error (two meanings there) on offense than on defense.

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by t ball on May 18, 2008 2:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Adam

Why do you think Blalock will be traded in the off season and not at the trade deadline?

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by RangerMad on May 18, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

My name is Adam so I'll answer...

we wouldn’t trade him if we are in contention…if not maybe we trade him at the deadline, imo.

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Well, this ruins my Sunday. We now have 8 1B and no 3b. Unless Blalock is in pain from making throws from third, I don’t get this at all.

--Brian

by BCanfield on May 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think they are thinking about contending

I think this is a short term move at best. Think about it this way, there should be several SS hit the trade market later this summer. I would list Orlando Cabrera, Omar Vizquel, Alex Gonzalez (Reds), Bobby Crosby, etc… They make the move now, live with Vazquez at 3B then make a move for a rental at SS and move MY later in the season. Then they roll with a Blalock/Kinsler/Rental/Young IF. They can leave Davis and Andrus in the minors. Maybe they think there will be a greater chance of picking up a SS than a 1B or maybe they want to ease the cries for Davis, I don’t know. But I don’t see any reason to freak out about it until we see how things unfold. If people around here like JD as much as they say they do then give the guy a chance and see what his long term plan is.

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by pblack on May 18, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

This is an odd move

Very odd. AJM, do you think it might have something to do with Blalock’s recent problems staying healthy? Are they concerned about a lack of mobility at 3B? Because this is a weird decision to make in the middle of the season like this.

I could have seen this happening in the offseason, or in spring training before Metcalf got hurt, but this suprises me.

Speaking of Metcalf, who wants to bet he comes up, and Duran goes down as soon as he’s had time to rehab in AAA?

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it has to do...

...with the organizaiton believing that Blalock is a really bad defensive third baseman, and not being comfortable with a Cat/Shelton combo at first.

I think the team feels they can live with some combo of Metcalf, Vazquez and maybe Duran at third base in the short-term, and this allows Young to move to third base after the season.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

nice

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by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Im now hoping

blalock has another setback and cant return for 2 weeks. And in that time, cat, shelton and vazquez all hit for their career numbers. and this plan gets cancelled.

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by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Are we now to exect

another player moved to 1B every day? Is there anyone in the system left not taking grounders at 1B?

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by t ball on May 18, 2008 1:30 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Nah

He’s of more value to us on the opposing team.

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whittleman's D is so bad

they should move him to ball boy.

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by t ball on May 18, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can everyone agree

that this move means that Hank Blalock won’t be a Texas Ranger next year?

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why?

it opens up 3B for Young and 1B for Davis…

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young sucks

Or rather, he’s going to in another year or so. Huge contract, and he’s getting older. Blalock’s bat has got more miles left in it than MY’s – however, Hank can’t seem to stay on the field, so…

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're

stuck with Young cause of his contract. And at least he is durable as hell.

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young doesn't suck

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by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LSJ,

“Young sucks”

why do you say stupid things like this?

by Randy Richardson on May 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you read my comment?
Or rather, he’s going to in another year or so.

His contract is gonna be dead weight, as his bat will not be good enough for third base for very long. Heck, it already really isn’t good enough for 3B. Defensively, he’s going to be sub-par wherever you put him.

I just don’t see why we insist on turning him into thew Texas Rangers own personal Cal Ripken. Get him to waive his no-trade, and pawn him off on a contender. At this point in MY’s career, it would be the best solution for both parties.

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No trade

I don’t know the official word on that but the contract itself is a no trade clause. For the reasons you point out, no team is going to trade for Young unless the Rangers eat a LOT of that money.

by DaheelzCM on May 18, 2008 3:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

But IMO, it’s still better than paying him the whole contract, especially if we get a prospect or two out of the deal.

I don’t mean to seem like a hater, but having an overpaid 30-some year old, who can’t play defense and won’t be hitting for power in another year or so on the roster really bugs me.

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No-Trade

Young is a 10-5 guy; automatic no trade clause.

by FuturePants on May 19, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No,

he isn’t.

How can he possibly be a 10 and 5 guy when he didn’t start playing MLB until 2000, and its 2008 last I checked.

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by DJCahill on May 19, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

From Cot's

Young has no-trade protection 2007-09, limited no-trade protection from 2010 to May, 2011 (submits list of 8 clubs to which he’d accept trade)
receives 10-and-5 rights in May, 2011

by jparks77 on May 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least we know the window

for when he can be traded. I’m sure every feasible deal will have been thought of by April ‘10.

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by Chase Irwin on May 19, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young

why do you think he would be a sub-par third baseman, defensively?

by Randy Richardson on May 18, 2008 4:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ummm... he's never played there before

And his reaction time and range just kind of suck period these days?

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by lonestarJon on May 18, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SS to 3B isn't

a difficult transition as long as the player has a strong arm. I think Young would be an average to above average 3B. There’s less ground to cover so his lack of range isn’t a liability. How do you measure reaction time?

by Randy Richardson on May 18, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

For the life of me...

I do NOT understand why people continue to bash Michael Young. The guy is NEVER hurt. He has 5 consecutive seasons of 200+ hits and a .300+ average. I understand that he doesn’t really hit for power, but I’m fine with that if the former stats keep up. I also understand that his defense at SS is slightly below par, and if he needs to move to 3B to be a better asset defensively, fine by me. But the guy is the biggest leader on the team, the franchise guy if you will. There is no reason to bash him (other than maybe his defensive play at times) and I guarantee you that his contract was deserved based on the previous 5 years he has had with the Rangers.

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on May 18, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No
I also understand that his defense at SS is slightly below par,

If his defense at SS were slightly below par, there’d be no talk of moving him. He’s one of the worst defensive shortstops in baseball.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not trying to be ignorant or anything...

What stats back that up? I may just not be aware… Thanks.

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on May 18, 2008 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Young's D

There are a bunch of different metrics out there and I’m still learning about measuring defense. The Hardball Times has one that measures RZR or percentage of plays made on “balls in zone”. This year Young is very good at that and he’s been OK in the past. But they also measure OOZ or out of zone plays made and he is terrible at that. Which, of course, suggests that he has a very limited range.
link

by Randy Richardson on May 18, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lichtman's UZR and Dewan's +/-

They both have him among the worst in baseball.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, fair enough.

However, would you disagree with anything else I said about him earlier? If his defense is the worst thing about it, is there really any reason to bash the guy like I’m seeing here?

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on May 18, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

About him*

Evidently I know nothing of the ways of the English language… =(

My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)

by utlonghorn24 on May 18, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reaction time?

The range is poor, reaction time not too bad. Not comparing the two, but there used to be a pretty fair third baseman named Brooks who had little range but great reaction time.

by Jea103 on May 18, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think its way too early to move players for elvis andrus.

If andrus doesnt improve his hitting, why should be handed the opening day job?
Who says Davis will continue this pace and improve his rates?

IMO the winter after weve seen their full minor league seasons is when you make these kind of decisions, and even then I still would like to have blalock around, perhaps DHing, so that if one or both of them struggled we would have more options and be able to send them down for a while.

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by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about that

If you have Davis at 1B and Young at 3B, I don’t know that that is a bad thing…

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Depends

That depends on whether or not Young can be a better defensive 3B than Blalock, because I don’t expect him to outhit Blalock next year.

--Brian

by BCanfield on May 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Blalock

can’t even stay on the field.

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

For someone who is a big proponent of the defensive spectrum I find it hard to believe you wouldn’t have a problem with Young’s bat at 3rd base.

by DaheelzCM on May 18, 2008 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

If we assume that Young is going to be playing everyday somewhere, then it should probably be 3B.

The better alternative, realistically, probably would have been not to give him the contract extension, but that is water under the bridge.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

he is ours for a while and we gotta play him somewhere…

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It should be 2nd base

I have to believe it will be an easier task of either moving Kinsler to a different position or out of town than it will to do either with Young.

by DaheelzCM on May 18, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No...

keep Ian at 2B and move MY to 3rd. This team now has no other 3B option in the future unless they sign/trade for one. Whittleman is to far away.

Why do people want to move Ian from 2B? I think he will end up being a very good 2B.

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by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:48 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving Kinsler

I don’t necessarily want to move Kinsler from 2nd. I just think he has more options of moving than Young does.

by DaheelzCM on May 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Young...

...would be below average defensively at 2B, which I don’t think would be the case with Kinsler.

And I’d prefer not to trade Kinsler, which I think you’d have to do if you put Young at 2B, because I don’t think he has nearly the value at any other position that he does at 2B.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kinsler

Kinsler should have been left at SS, moving Young back to 2B when Soriano left.

--Brian

by BCanfield on May 18, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sigh

This isn’t a new like of thinking but…..

We have a guy who isn’t a good enough fielder to play in the middle infield and not a good enough hitter to play a corner about to start making $16 million a year. Well done Rangers front office!!!! Of all the poor trades and signings this team has made this might be #1 on the list.

by DaheelzCM on May 18, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

My initial reaction was that of shock, but the more I think about this move, the more I actually kind of like it. I know people are going to jump on me for this, but this move does make quite a bit of sense defensively.

I’m not a big believer in defensive stats, but according to his defensive stats at Hardball Time (RZR), Hank is one of the worst defensive third baseman in baseball. Ramon Vazquez isn’t that terrible against righties, and Duran has looked alright at times (though I’m not sure he’s ready to play in the bigs yet).

Maybe Daniels thinks he can acquire an above average 3B by the all-star break? or Davis can move back to third?

by jcir454 on May 18, 2008 1:37 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is Hank...

going to be that much better defensively at 1B than Cat/Shelton?

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by slc ranger on May 18, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

When I said it “makes sense defensively,” I really mean it makes sense to improve defense at 3B.

I don’t have any idea if Hank is better defensively at 1B than either Shelton or Cat though…

by jcir454 on May 18, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't get it.

It’s much easier to make this move in the offseason if the motive were to begin the shift to 3B of Young.

I’m hoping that something much bigger than a Duran/Vazquez platoon at 3B is in the works, and hoping that it doesn’t signal that Hank’s injuries now prevent him from being a 3B.

by rooster on May 18, 2008 1:38 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know if there was motive

it was Blalock’s call not JD or Wash.

by Agreen07 on May 18, 2008 1:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe Daniels thinks this is a better move for a better return when he is traded.

Definitly a scenerio he might be thinking.

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by NYTXFAN on May 18, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

isnt it pretty much assumed that any 3b could be played at 1b if needed?

its not like blalock has years of experience at 1b, hes going to take a few grounders and voila… a 1b.

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by DSheppard on May 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least in the near future

we won’t have to watch our 1B bat 8th or 9th very often.

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by Chase Irwin on May 18, 2008 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

i know one team that this may interest.......

....... There is a New York area team that is pretty set at 3rd base but is really struggling getting any production out of there 1st baseman and they play in a ballpard for now that would really fit Hanks swing, (just a thought)

by blueballlefty on May 18, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

heh

I think there are actually two New York teams that fit that description.

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by trza on May 18, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Same Team

has plenty of money to sign Teixeira.

by FuturePants on May 19, 2008 10:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is my take on this....

I think people are reading too much into it for this season….

It boils down to Blalock not being very good defensively and the teams run with Vazquez playing 3B. I think Blalock will play 1B except on days when we face a tough lefty…then Shelton will play.

I also think that Metcalf will be called up eventualy to take Durans spot starting against lefties…with Vazquez getting all starts against rightys.

The main question I now have is what happens to Cat?

As far as the future goes….this will pave the way for Andrus at SS, but it will probably be 2010 unless he starts raking here pretty soon…

by clinton33 on May 18, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Versatility

I think Daniels as a GM and Washington as a Manager are both guys who are big into versatility. With the static state of the outfield and the constant taxation of the bullpen, it might just be a case where they’re trying to get the maximum versatility out of their roster. If Hank can play 1B, it might mean we can carry 1 less position player and add another pen arm. It might now mean he’s there all the time, but he plays one corner IF or the other depending on who’s hot.

by FirebatM3 on May 18, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Roster

Would it make sense to send down Duran and have Blalock play 3B against lefties with Shelton at 1b? Vasquez could start against RHP with Blalock at 1B.

--Brian

by BCanfield on May 18, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Interesting move...

I really liked seeing Hank over at third and thought his shoulder had made a nice rebound from that surgery last year. It’s strange to think of him at 1B, but I’ll wait to see how it plays out before forming a real opinion.

Was there this kind of reaction when Young volunteered to move to SS when Soriano came in?

by baseballismyboyfriend on May 18, 2008 2:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Dont

like this move at all, for now and for the future. Vasquez is a good UT player but if he plays regularly his numbers are going to be similar to last year which were not very good.

by coolaid on May 18, 2008 2:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hank wants to stay in the lineup

Maybe he realizes in order to do that he needs far less wear and tear on his body…thus moving to 1st.

I expect Metcalf to finish his rehab assignment in AAA and then being recalled which will send Duran back to AAA so he can get the consistent reps he needs.

As for the future, I also don’t think Andrus will be ready till 2010. A short term one year solution for next season can be found. Young needs to move to 3rd. Blalock will be traded and one of JMJ, Ramierz, or Davis will man 1st next year. It’s better defensively and it focus’ on our three big problems, 1st, SS, and 3rd. The question is what happens with Cat and whether Blalock is traded now or this off-season.

by Hull Fan on May 18, 2008 2:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Definitely think the move was made based on health but I’m not so sure Young is moved to third unless we find a real good 1 year replacement.

by slimshadty12 on May 18, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Arias may be it

Honestly, I forgot about him till others mentioned his name. He’s still having throwing problems now, but as the season moves along, plus the offseason to improve his arm strength he may be the way to go. That means you don’t have to rush Andrus, we have an internal answer and Arias could possibly be traded in 2010 to fill whatever hole we may still have, assuming Andrus is ready then.

by Hull Fan on May 18, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Should point out another thing

I think this move is a signal to the players by management and one of the veterans that they think the Rangers can win this year.

Moving Blalock to 1st doesn’t really help anything long term. But it does give the team options this year. It may help Hank stay on the field (boost), it gives the team flexibility in acquiring a stopgap piece at any of a number of positions (SS, 3b, 1b are all potential areas to add a piece, considering that Hank and Young can cover the other two)

Davis is great, but he’s at least a year away and in all honesty is not going to help this team win until 2010. Elvis is great, but he’s probably 2-3 years away from contributing significantly. This move is for THIS YEAR, and whether they are right or not, I think it signals that the team is confident that this little streak is more than just two weeks of luck.

by JBImaknee on May 18, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

it was his choice

not sure why anyone would get upset at JD or Wash here…

Hopefully Kinsler will do the same now…

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by Longhorn on May 18, 2008 4:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure why he would

Kinsler’s a much better defensive 2B than Blalock is a 3B.

by Adam J. Morris on May 18, 2008 5:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would you rather have?

Blalock’s bat or Shelton/Cat’s bat? Isn’t this what it boils down to? Even though Hank has not played first, he cannot be that much of a downgrade from the defense Cat and Shelton bring to the table. I mean, how many times does a game boil down to the defense of the first baseman?

"Do you think anybody is gonna charge the mound when they know I take Akito? Hell no." - BGL

by mgmann on May 18, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

to me its not would i rather have blalock vs shelton/cat. its that i’d rather have blalock AND shelton/cat rather than blalock and vazquez/duran

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on May 18, 2008 5:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far this year:

Chris Shelton: .200/.333/.429
Cat: .247/.346/.387

German Duran : .174/.250/.261
Ramon Vasquez: .333/.407/.480

Hank Blalock: .299/.365/.460

Wouldn’t this suggest having Vasquez and Blalock in the lineup. I know Vasquez is expected to cool off and fall back to his average, but until this happens is this not the best scenario?

"Do you think anybody is gonna charge the mound when they know I take Akito? Hell no." - BGL

by mgmann on May 18, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

best scenario

i think what you are getting at is the line of thinking the rangers have, get vasquez in the lineup, but thats flawed thinking the guy just hasnt hit near this level historically. i put more stock in cat/shelton than i would in vasquez and duran, though that may make 3b better defensively it takes away better offense.

and from what the reports are, he won’t be going back to 3b which means they are stuck with whatever they can get out of their thirdbasemen.

"When we're mad we'll use our words. Then the rest of the world will play nice with us. And the only boom-booms will be in our pants." - Ralph Wiggum

by rentz on May 18, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So far this year:

Chris Shelton: .200/.333/.429
Cat: .247/.346/.387

German Duran : .174/.250/.261
Ramon Vasquez: .333/.407/.480

Hank Blalock: .299/.365/.460

Wouldn’t this suggest having Vasquez and Blalock in the lineup. I know Vasquez is expected to cool off and fall back to his average, but until this happens is this not the best scenario?

"Do you think anybody is gonna charge the mound when they know I take Akito? Hell no." - BGL

by mgmann on May 18, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As was said...

And Il say it again, they want to put Hank in a position to help the team in two areas…

1. If youre winning and contending, first base helps keep him in the lineup and opens third for young after the season…

2. If youre not contending, send him away as a ok defensive first baseman with a plus bat.

If we are leading the divison in two months, I expect that they will add a third base bat and will certainly look to signing Blalock after the season, otherwise he will absolutely be gone at the deadline

Its time...

by PM Productions on May 18, 2008 6:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whittleman

Whittleman looks like he’ll be in Frisco this summer. Why wouldn’t he be with the ML club by next year? By September?

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on May 18, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Whittleman

had to repeat Low A for a half season and will spend at least a full season in High A. I’m not sure why we should expect him to be blowing through AA and AAA in a season.

by Brett Perryman on May 18, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's also what?

21? If Andrus isn’t ready, and most think he won’t be next year, why would anyone think Whittleman is going to make some magical jump in one year?

by Hull Fan on May 18, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess on what happens...

Duran and Boggs continue to struggle at the plate the next week and are sent down to play everyday at OKC.

Cat moves back into a platoon in LF with Byrd. While Metcalf and Vasquez eventually settle into a similar lefty/righty platoon at 3B.

As a couple other LSBers have said, I think this is a move that JD and Wash agreed to when Hank came to them with the idea because of how they have played in May. They now think this team can compete in the West. My only concern is that if the team is close come the end of July, I don’t want to see them trade the farm for a guy like Holliday, Dunn, etc. They still need to keep the longterm goals of this organization in mind. If they can do that and compete then great. Don’t let a third party like Ryan/Hicks come in and say lets blow this thing up and try to win now. That is my biggest fear.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 19, 2008 12:08 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

Do not trade the farm for a possible playoff run. Our time is next year at the earliest. Hey if they keep winning great but this team’s best days are ahead of them. Trading Laird, Ponson, Blalock, Cat, or Millwood, fine, but not any of the minor league arms.

by Hull Fan on May 19, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its been obvious for years

that eventually Blalock had to move off 3B. Defensively, he has the range of a marble statue.

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by DJCahill on May 19, 2008 7:12 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

His range

didn’t seem so horrible when ARod was there and could help cover some of the gap , but the MY/Blalock combo is just ugly to see. So many hits on the left side of the IF.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on May 19, 2008 8:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I doubt you can make a deal

for Cat, considering he has been a platoon 770 OPS defensive liability with the Rangers. I doubt thats in big demand.

"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck

by DJCahill on May 19, 2008 8:14 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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