Michael Young speaks on moving to 3B
In summary...he doesn't want to:
[D]oes this mean Michael Young is headed for third base?
Young has the answer to the second question.
"Absolutely not," he said before the Rangers' game with the Twins at the Metrodome on Monday night. "It hasn't been brought up. It hasn't been brought up to me, so it hasn't been brought up."
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For the time being, Young will stay at shortstop. Club officials have not approached him about moving to third base and have no immediate plans to do so. They will not do anything until speaking with him, but it has been talked about internally, especially with the possibility that Double-A Frisco shortstop Elvus Andrus could be ready for the Major Leagues in the next year or two.
Young isn't particularly interested in moving.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said. "I can't envision what's going to happen down the road, but for right now and the near future, any position other than shortstop is not an option."
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"If something happens down the road and the team is better served by me moving, I'm sure there will be some discussions," Young said. "But the time is not now, and I don't see it in the near future."
"Near future" meaning this year, I agree, I don't see it.
But if "near future" is 2009...well, I'd bet Young is incorrect there.
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There is
your team leader and face of the franchise.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 19, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
My sentiments exactly...
...I would have posted that verbatim but I’ve been away from the internet since yesterday afternoon.
This is just the kind of thing that reinforces my feelings on this so-called FOTF.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 8:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shawn Chacon.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 19, 2008 11:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Michael Young sounds like an asshole right there
We should trade him somewhere where he can play his precious shortstop position.
Leader he is not.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 19, 2008 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
- right there
+ just about every time he’s quoted in media.
by venturafearsnolan on May 20, 2008 1:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1MM
This is just the latest in a long line of his turdheadedness.
Such a “team player”. All he wants is to win. Yeah, right.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 8:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't fault him for that.
Moving him right now would be as odd as the Blalock move. This kind of thing should be done in the offseason, and to me his comments leave that possibility open.
Anyway, I think that if Daniels has the balls to axe Buck, trade Danks for McCarthy, talk Hicks into a rebuild, and roll the dice on Hamilton, he can probably handle telling Young he needs to move.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Blalock asked to be moved to help the team
MY should do the same.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 19, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he shouldn't do it
right now.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's fine
then say something like, right now, i’m not sure it’s beneficial for the team, but in the longterm, it might be something we look at…
But nooooooo, he has to be all bitchy about it.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 19, 2008 11:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that
pretty much what he said? Frankly I think he’d have a hard time adjusting to a new position. He probably feels he worked hard to move to SS and knows what it would take to move again. I can understand being hesitant to do that again, certainly mid-season.
I just think it’s funny how some players are glorified and then vilified here. I think he’s kind of a prick, too, but I don’t think he’s a prick about feeling strongly about the position he plays. Just because Blalock decided to offer to move doesn’t mean every other player should rush into Wash’s office and ask where they should be playing. It’s up to the team to talk with the players when they feel the time is right.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it sounds more like a player
who’s in denial.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 19, 2008 11:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Could be,
but I think he probably feels he’s not great but not hurting the team. Again, if the team feels he’s in denial, then they need to approach him, not expect him to be a self-deprecating hero.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I think MY is just to petty to admit he sucks at shortstop. That’s my personal opinion.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 19, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not petty
but I think he does have a real chip on his shoulder. Too proud and stubborn. That is what got him this far, he’s an overachiever, but now that he’s “made it” he needs to get a little humility.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do you expect him to say?
I think MY is just to petty to admit he sucks at shortstop.
How many major leaguers do you think would come out and say they suck at the position they’ve been playing the last 4-5 years?
by Adam J. Morris on May 19, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ones that are smart enough to realize they would better their team by moving to another position
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 19, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock JUST did it.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 19, 2008 11:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No he did not.
We might feel that’s why they want to move him, but he might feel like it’s partly to improve the black hole of offense the team has had at 1B. Blalock most certainly did NOT say “I seem to suck at 3B, please move me to a less challenging position.”
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he said he wanted to move to a new position to better the team
Which is what MY should admit regarding a move to 3B. But instead, he’s bing an asshole about it, because he thinks that if he accepts that move, it will be an admission that he is not good enough to play SS anymore. Which is what I take issue with.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 19, 2008 11:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look,
how would you feel if the day after your colleague changed jobs a bunch of people came to you asking “so when are you going to admit you need to take a less challenging position”? I think 99 out of 100 people would respond as Young did, if they have any pride in their work.
I’m not trying to be Young’s defender here, I think he’s a dork. But I think we’re all getting waaayyyy ahead of ourselves with several things about this organization. Too many people want 2010 to be here this week. Here’s a general rant-like response to all the ways I feel folks here have been too impatient lately:
- Andrus needs time, we’ll see him in 2010 or maybe late 2009.
- Young does not need to move this year and the team can tell him to move when they’re ready
- Ramirez needs to catch every day at Frisco for a while
- the catching situation with Lard and Salt will resolve itself soon enough
- Chris Davis is still a baby and we can wait
- We probably should not make plans for Diamond until he actually pitches a few times
- CJ Wilson is a talented and intelligent pitcher, he does not suddenly suck for all time. You can say he is not a long term solution at closer, but that is a looooooonnnnnnng way from “he sucks”.
- Hamilton has not played a lot of baseball over the last few years, he is going to make mistakes in the OF.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 19, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Dear t ball
9 times out of 10, you’re right on. I enjoy reading your contributions to this site and this one is your best yet. Keep it up, my man. Knee-jerks be damned. You’re right on the money.
by robert_d_wilfong on May 21, 2008 1:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's nice and breezy
up here on my high-horse.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 21, 2008 7:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Relax
He can say whatever is relevant now, about now. He also probably doesn’t want to throw Vasquez under the bus, or even answer a presumtuous question. And I agree with Adam and Tball and whoever else posted the “wait for it” rationale.
Jon, if I offered to double your salary and give you time to learn the position, would you enjoy janitorial duty in a morgue? Cleanup crew at the hog kill in a packing plant? I know, those are not relevant. Neither is MY moving to 3B until a player arrives who can improve the team there and for the future.
Much ado ‘bout nothin … yet. I wish he was better at his position like yesterday, if not sooner, but the fact is, if things progress normally, Andrus can and will move into the shortstop job. When JD thinks he is ready.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on May 20, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Jeter does it all the time.
He even moved to an easier position when a much better shortstop was traded to the Yankees. He’s a true leader and a great humanitarian.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 2:11 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL!
That’s some greatness right there. Jeter and Young are the two media darlings (on much different scales, obviously) who have been my personal whipping boys for years.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 8:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
blalock asked if moving would help the team
thats fine.
the answer being yes isnt.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 19, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a douche
sometimes with quotes like this, you need to actually hear the words spoken to really understand what someone is saying.
But this….this is pretty loud and clear that he wants no part of it.
Just say something generic like “I’m all for helping the team in everyway I can, I just don’t think that moving to 3rd is the solution RIGHT NOW.”
by Dirk Diggler on May 19, 2008 11:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If I remember
correctly, his wife isn’t even hot.
""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard
by miles on May 19, 2008 11:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kurt Warner Syndrome
you don’t want to catch it.
W: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
by hubcityraider on May 20, 2008 4:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont expect him to say yeah i suck, bring it on
but a “i wouldnt be happy, but if thats what the rangers think is best then its my job” would suffice.
you know, like how cats reaction to losing his playing time was that hes not happy, but its partly his fault since he hasnt been hitting well and he will accept it.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 19, 2008 11:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey idiots
What do you expect MY to say. He is the SS. There is nobody in “the near future” that is going to force him to move to 3B. Read this again…
“If something happens down the road and the team is better served by me moving, I’m sure there will be some discussions,” Young said. “But the time is not now, and I don’t see it in the near future.”
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
by RangerMad on May 19, 2008 11:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nice opener.
Anyway, its his dismissive tone. Hes not the gm, he shouldnt be saying he will or will not move. Read the difference between cat and young’s quotes. Young is dismissive of the mere thought of being moved from SS, cat is upset but accepts losing his playing time.
Granted young is a 4 time all star and cat has fallen off, but young isnt the .330 24 hr semi adequate SS on a very team friendly contract anymore, hes the .300 10 hr bad SS on the extremely player friendly contract. It makes it a lot more annoying to read those kind of quotes.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 12:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
although
im not in a good ranger state of mind right now.. coming off a 1 run loss where young went 1(single) for 6 with poor defensive play isnt the best time for reactions to young quotes.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
couple things
When the Rangers come to MY and ask him to change positions, he will do it. What choice does he really have? Secondly, I don’t know why people are so concerned about his contract. It has NO effect at all on tickets prices or the ability to sign or extend players. When the time comes, Hicks will increase payroll to sign/extend players that are needed to help the Rangers win. IMHO
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
by RangerMad on May 20, 2008 12:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
free agency is obviously not the way to build a franchise as far as pitchers are concerned, we really need to focus on letting our minor league talent mature here unless we have guys like J.Hamilton we want to trade for E.Volquez then trading isn’t going to work very well either we need to scout better and be patient with our young pitchers we might have guy that lose 15-20 games (Bonderman,Verlander) but we cant keep giving up on young arms we are starting to scout a lot better now we just have to be patient and let these guys (Hurley,Hunter,Mathis,Harrison,etc…...) come up take there lumps and fight through it I still believe McCarthy has something IF he can stay healthy.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 12:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.

.500 or bust!
Bad Vibes Kill Rallies!
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on May 20, 2008 12:07 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Woah
Some of you are acting like this is the apocalypse. Young will move when they tell him to.
Picking a random blog comment and wielding it as a club to bash "blogs" is like picking a random romance novel off an airport bookstore shelf and saying, "This book sucks. Fuck you, Tolstoy -- your medium is worthless!" - Ken Tremendous
by TheBZA on May 20, 2008 12:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JD
doesn’t have the balls to ask him.
""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard
by miles on May 20, 2008 12:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who plays SS?
Picking a random blog comment and wielding it as a club to bash "blogs" is like picking a random romance novel off an airport bookstore shelf and saying, "This book sucks. Fuck you, Tolstoy -- your medium is worthless!" - Ken Tremendous
by TheBZA on May 20, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jaquin Arias
JUST KIDDING, DON”T WORRY I HAVE NOT LOST MY MIND
""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard
by miles on May 20, 2008 12:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young
Moving Young to 3B is important for the Rangers future, but it can’t happen until there’s a replacement for him at SS. The only other current option in the entire organization (if you wanted to move Young today) is Vazquez. Young is not moving off of SS for a utility infielder. When the Rangers come up with an external or internal candidate who is more than marginally better than Young in the field, I imagine he’ll embrace the move.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 12:39 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
MY doesnt Suck....
at SS he might not be the top5 defensive SS in the league but the way our lineup is who would rather have Playing good defense and sucking at hitting Here are the SS i see are better defensively than MY in all major league
-K.Greene S.D.
-O.Cabrera CWS
-E.Renteria Det
-J.Reyes NYM
-D.Jeter NYY
-J.Keppinger Cin
-T.Tulowitzki Col
-J.Rollins Phi
-J.Hardy Mil
-S.Drew Ari
i am sure i left someone off and will get ripped for it, i went solely on defensive ability there are guys with more range (H.Ramirez, etc…) but there FPCT. is way lower than MY, I think when you add in his bat there are only 3-5 of these guys you can argue you would
rather have than MY he adds a lot to this team and hopefully he can continue to do so since he is starting to get payed like it.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 12:44 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
f he would just dive for a damn baseball when its called for instead of sum matador bullshit then i think he could stay there for 3-5 more years.
the fact that the issue is simply a matter of all out effort on every play scares the crap out of me. if he doesnt dive b/c he doesnt have a good enough read on the ball then he should be pulled off the position asap b/c he cant handle the positional requirements to put him in a position to dive and make the play. either that or he is too rich and has too much to lose to go all out every play so thats why he doesnt dive. thats the crap that hank steinbrenner is so pissed about in NYY even if he is an idiot. The teams that are winning and surprising people are teams that are young as crap and havent earned their paycheck yet. these guys go all out.
if mike young goes all out like he did when he was playing for his 2b gig in a fight with Cat in the old days and bust his rear on every play defensively and full out belly dive, i think the guy is a HOFer who can be our SS the next 5 seasons…
he’s the best hitter ive seen since wade boggs. he actually reminds me of Wade a bit these days.
.500 or bust!
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on May 20, 2008 1:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter?
My isn’t great, but he’s not that bad.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 2:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok i think they are really comparable
Jeter gets a bad rap he is by no means Ozzie but he rarely makes a mistake
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 2:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He also makes many fewer plays than many other shortstops.
He ranked second to last in revised zone rating last year. He gets a bad rap because any analysis you can dig up shows he’s not very good. He deserves the bad rap.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 3:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's funny...
is that MY is currently 5th in the majors in Revised Zone Rating. (2nd in the AL).
by Redcaps on May 20, 2008 6:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He wants to remain
“Shortstop” Michael Young.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 4:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the responses on this thread
makes me understand a little why Sharky goes on his rants. Unbelievable the hatred for Michael Young
by badradiorules on May 20, 2008 7:48 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Its probably a reaction
to him being the most grossly overrated player in Ranger History, and now the most overpaid since Chan Ho Park.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 7:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two excellent points...
...and just the kind of points that the “rank and file” fans will never acknowledge. All they can regurgitate to you is the crap that Lewin, Grieve, Grant, and the like feed them on a daily basis:
FOTF
“Leader”
Sacrificed for the team by moving to SS
200 hits a year
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
200 hits a year
completely useless
by badradiorules on May 20, 2008 8:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, quite useful...
...but must be considered within the proper context, i.e. career OPS+ of 104 and 20+ GIDPs a year.
My point is the average Ranger fan sees 200 hits every year and thinks MY must be an elite offensive player.
He is not.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 9:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
He’s not an offensive liability, by any means, either.
by badradiorules on May 20, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's just it
Where is he overrated? He is seldomly spoken about nationally. Yea, he’s made some All-Star teams that he may not have deserved, but that’s about it.
However, bring his name up here and all you will get is hatred. Apparently he is one of the worst players in the league. He’s an awful shortstop who can’t hit. Right now he is second in the AL among SS in RZR and second in the AL in RC. So, it can reasonably be argued that he’s been the best shortstop in the American League so far this year and he hasn’t even hit one of his patented hot streaks.
Is he overpaid? Absolutely. Has it hurt the team to this point? Not yet and the way that we are building with youth, it likely won’t for some time. Is this the root of all the hatred? I guess he should have said no to that contract offer. I don’t know what everyone expects from this guy.
Last year he said that he wanted to win. Everyone hated that.
This year he says that he doesn’t want to change positions tomorrow. Everyone hates that.
I don’t think there is any possible way this guy wins with anyone here.
by badradiorules on May 20, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can look long and hard
and you will never see a post from me saying he is the worst player in the league.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not aimed directly at you.
It just amazes me that if anyone throws the name Michael Young in a thread and step back and watch, people fall all over themselves to criticize him. There are 15 negative comments to every positive comment. The guy is statistically the best shortstop in the American League right now. What would happen if he fell to third?
God forbid someone post a comment of his. If there is any way possible that his words can be twisted in a negative manner, everyone seems to dogpile on that. I just don’t get what he’s done to be the most hated sports figure in D/FW.
by badradiorules on May 20, 2008 9:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
Everyone knows what MY brings to the table. He is not overrated. Overpaid yes, but not overrated. He gets credit for being a very good hitter, which happens when you have as many hits as he has had in the past 5 years. He is also seen as a below average defensive SS, which he is.
Like you said in your previous post, they guy can’t win with some here. He wasn’t going to turn down the contract they offered him. His last deal was a bargain for the team, his new deal is a bargain for him. People need to get over it. He doesn’t suck, he will move to 3rd when there is someone to play SS. There isn’t anyone to do that right now so people just need to just deal with it.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 20, 2008 5:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1MM
What’s funny is after hearing the news of his extension 80% of LSB was okay with it. Now it seems like 80% of LSB hates him for it.
by meangreen on May 21, 2008 9:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, if it makes you feel any better
If you post to a link of comments, my stance has remained unchanged. Then again, I’m used to my opinions becoming the commonly accepted wisdom after awhile.
Guys in that age range are unlikely to get better, unless they pump PEDs. I don’t think the next five years are going to be that PED friendly.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 21, 2008 9:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahahahahaha
Then again, I’m used to my opinions becoming the commonly accepted wisdom after awhile.
That’s some funny shit. But, yeah I wish he would have linked to the comments.
I think MY is average (above offensively, below defensively) and rapidly declining, but will be near average for at least a couple more seasons upon moving to 3B.
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 21, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why should he move?
Soriano didn’t have to. In fact, Young may see this hardline stance as his ticket out of this god-forsaken franchise just like it was for Soriano.
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by willamos2 on May 20, 2008 8:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...except for
that extension he signed
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
When will one of the local columnists...
...write the inevitable piece on how the MY extension is a far worse value to the Rangers than the A-Rod contract could ever have been?
Oh right, I forgot who our columnists are. Nevermind.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 9:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Not to defend the forum, or to defend Michael Young (at least in unreasonable terms). The critics in the forum have a non-stochastic model of what a position “should be”, and want the Ranger player in that position to be better than the model. The average fan is thrilled to have somebody on the lineup who makes AllStar teams, is usually a leader in counting stats, and is played up by team media. While MY is a little short of the first, and not altogether the perception elicited by the latter, he’s OK.
My only issue is with the fantasy types who “hate” when a player doesn’t *always” exceed reasonable expectations, or the ego extension types who voice that if their player or team tanks, it’s some kind of personal disgrace.
Oh btw … some of the analytical “facts” are shaky. Worst defender, can’t achieve a decent IsoP, etc. are sort of factual, but subject to situational play.
In terms of perceived leadership: Mike speaks rapidly, almost staccato, and nearly in a monotone. He is not a gifted orator. May give the impression of terseness, which I don’t think is accurate. And he voices a LOT more to other players in the dugout and during inning changes than you’d guess, if you aren’t paying attention. The “leader” tag didn’t come from media election or statistical excellence, it comes from player peer respect. See dugout votes for AllStar selection.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by Ed Coffin on May 20, 2008 9:55 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
My feelings
said much better than I can say them
by badradiorules on May 20, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said,
and for people who think he’s not valuable offensviely, he is currently 2nd in OPS among AL SS.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 20, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not bad
especially considering he’s been a bit below expectations so far this season.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on May 20, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much
the whole league seems to be below expectations this year. Offense is down about half a run league wide, which is a fairly large amount.
Although I suspect when the weather heats up, so will the bats.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no kidding
A couple times this season I’ve checked baseball reference to see a player with what looks like a pretty poor OPS, but then see that person’s OPS+ is something like 110-115.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on May 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But temps have not
been lower than usual this April-May in ballparks, why should bats heat up with the weather?
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 20, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 3:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young
There obviously a lot of animosity directed toward Young here, much of which I find confounding. But the aspect of it that is the strangest to me is the anger that people express regarding his contract extension. Clearly, the contract is above his market value, but he also produced for several seasons at a level well above the level he was paid. By the end of his time here, it should about balance out. Further, It’s not like the Rangers are constrained financially because of the contract, nor are they likely to be in the coming years. The Rangers have a relatively low payroll, and Hicks made the decision the give Young that deal. I don’t understand why people here obsess over the amount of Tom Hicks’ money Michael Young will be paid over the next five years.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on May 20, 2008 10:45 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I have no idea why
it should balance out.
If that was the case, that means that incumbent teams always end up overpaying the folks they extend, because most players are underpaid in the first 6 years.
The rational strategy would be to never re-sign your players, and sign Free Agents instead.
Paying 20-25% to your player to a player who isn’t Hall of Fame bound or a perennial All Star seems to be a dumb move, in my opinion.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
20-25%???
MY is making $6,174,974 this year. Total payroll is $68,239,551. That accounts for 11.05% of the payroll…
by meangreen on May 20, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously,
I’m talking the next 5 years of decline we have to look forward to.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I figured that
but who knows what the total payroll will be over the next 5 years. To slap a 20-25% on there is irresponsible arguing. You actually use that figure to make the claim that his extension was a dumb move. Even if it was a dumb move, you can’t just make up numbers to prove your point.
by meangreen on May 20, 2008 1:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think its reasonable
given the payroll, to imagine we won’t be seeing north of $80 million anytime soon.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reasonable
maybe, but still putting the cart before the horse.
by meangreen on May 20, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fact of the matter is...
...he is going to be paid at or near a superstar level and he will not only not be a superstar he will most likely be moving further and further from that level as his play declines with age.
And of course this decline in production will coincide with his moving to a position that requires more offense than SS.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
by Chad Crudup on May 20, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is this a big deal?
He clearly states that if the team needs to move him in the next few, they’ll discuss it. Where are people getting lost on this?
“If something happens down the road and the team is better served by me moving, I’m sure there will be some discussions,” Young said. “But the time is not now, and I don’t see it in the near future.”
He’s right, the time is not now. It’s next year, or possibly 2010. When it gets to that point, he’s not going to have any legs to stand on defensively, and I’m guessing, will make the move.
by cmkelly29 on May 20, 2008 1:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
no matter what, in some people’s eyes, MY can’t do anything right….All becasue he signed a contract extension. I guess he was supposed to turn it down.
by meangreen on May 20, 2008 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
MY hate
He got a lot of hate around here even before he signed the contract. I think some of it comes from the A-Rod departure and some of it comes from the fact that he turned into a very good baseball player when a lot of people around here did not expect him to. Just my impressions. I’m basically at a loss to explain it all, myself.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
by trza on May 20, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Young hadn't signed his new contract, I doubt we hear this much noise.
Many around here are never going to forgive him for signing a much too large contract and for allowing the team to call him the FOTF. It’s really that simple.
He’s not a good defensive SS. He’s not terrible either. I agree that he would be a better defensive 3B than SS (just like he was a much better defensive 2B than SS). He’s already moved once because the team needed somebody to step up when they didn’t have options. Right now, he’s the only option at SS for the Rangers and will probably remain the only option through 2009. When Andrus is ready, I seriously doubt Young is going to throw a fit about moving to 3B, and if he does, that’s tough, he’s the player—not the manager and not the GM. This story is largely irrelevant right now in that there is nobody else ready to be the everyday SS for this franchise. So everybody put your damned tampons back in and try to tough out having MY as your SS for a little longer.
That said, he needs to get his head out of his ass and start hitting again. In the ongoing Kinsler/MY debate, he’s starting to make me look bad.
by Athos on May 20, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you nailed it.
When you get paid like a Superstar, you have superstar expectations.
Arod took a lot of heat here, on the Newberg boards, and on the ESPN boards, and all he did was have MVP and Gold Glove quality seasons every year.
Teixeira took a lot of heat, despite being the biggest offensive force on the Rangers most of his years hear, as well as a Gold Glove defensive 1B.
If you get paid like a star, you better play like a star. You also better not be saying what is and isn’t an option.
All that being said, let’s face it, some of the Blalock move is to open up space for Vazquez who has been unconscious. Personally, I’d like to see him at SS and Young at 3B just to see how it goes, but I understand baseball players not wanting to mess with a hot streak.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's the thing
MY has played at relativley the same level over his entire career. He has never played like a superstar. It’s not his fault JD and Hicks decided to pay him like one. It is unreasonable to expect MY at age 31 to all of sudden become a superstar. Like I said before, should he have told JD, “I would really like to sign this $80MM contract, but I think I only worth $40MM.”
by meangreen on May 20, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tough titties for him
He will be judged based on his contract, and thats just the way life is. Once he accepted a superstar contract, he accepted the superstar expectations that came with it.
"Before I leave, I once again condemn the despicable buffoonery of D.J. Cahill." - Huck
by DJCahill on May 20, 2008 2:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot more than some
“All that being said, let’s face it, some of the Blalock move is to open up space for Vazquez who has been unconscious.”
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 3:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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