5/20/08 game day thread
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 6:00 PM CDT
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Texas Rangers at Minnesota Twins, May 20, 2008 7:10 PM CDT
Doug Mathis v. Glen Perkins...
Go Rangers...
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mathis
uggh
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
aw, c'mon
he’s been effective in his relief outings. I’m kinda excited to see what he does tonite.
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on May 20, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
prediction
I woke up this morning and got the feeling that Doug Mathis would pitch a perfect game tonight. I know, I know, probably something to do with Lester’s no-hitter getting into my head or something. But…
by naropean on May 20, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lineup
I. Kinsler 2b
M. Young ss
J. Hamilton rf
M. Bradley dh
D. Murphy lf
M. Byrd cf
C. Shelton 1b
J. Saltalamacchia c
G. Duran
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Byrd in CF
Who is supposed to be the better defender in center, Murph or Byrd? Based on what I’ve seen from Murphy defensively this year, I think I’d rather have him in CF and Byrd in LF.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 6:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
i know we don’t like to use fielding percentage anymore but… hammy is at .963 with 3 errors in 297 innings.
last year byrd had 2 errors in 496 innings.
of course that’s a basic stat and nothing fancy like range or whatnot
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love that lineup
put in Hank now and Chris Davis down the line at 1B, buy a DH and move Milton to RF and Hamilton to CF and you’ve got the perfect lineup in my mind…for a few years anyways, until Andrus and others push the point
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on May 20, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your DH
and backup catcher of the future is Max Ramierz. Don’t go buy, his bat is ML ready.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if it is, I'm fine with that...
but are you honestly ready to go ahead and plug him in?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on May 21, 2008 3:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
scouting report on Mathis?
Does anyone have a link or two with a scouting report on him. I’m curious to know what to expect. I’ll also miss the beginning of the game so I won’t hear Lewin and Grieve tell me anything.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
all i know
is that
it’s his first career start. he’s pitched well in 3 relief outings.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/baseball/rangers/stories/052008dnsporangreport.c434ee6.html
RHP Doug Mathis (1-0, 0.00 ERA): After two scoreless relief innings, Mathis will make his first career start. Mathis was 5-0 with a 3.55 ERA at Triple-A Oklahoma before his call-up last week. His minor league splits ranged widely. He held right-handed hitters to a .161 batting average, but lefties hit .349. Mathis will become the ninth different Ranger to make a start this season. Each of the other AL West teams has used seven. Mathis has not faced the Twins.
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Mike Hindman's blog
17) Doug Mathis—24 YO RHP (2005 13th Round)The Rangers have tried to fast-track the 6’3” sinkerball specialist more than any other pitcher who has come into the fold in the past three years. Coming out of the University of Missouri, Mathis was sent to the college-dominated NWL, but in 2006 he jumped Clinton and went straight to Bakersfield. Perhaps the biggest shocker among 2007 opening day assignments was the appearance of Mathis on the Oklahoma roster. Clearly, the Rangers want to get to the point on Mathis as soon as possible.
In part, most likely, Mathis is being pushed so fast because he is an extremely bright and mature young man with tremendous poise and strong leadership skills. He pitches with a plan and doesn’t rattle. Which is not to say that Mathis was not or is not a guy capable of change or improvement. Mathis has gained velocity since joining the system and he’s added a curveball which gives him four legit offerings. Though he lacks the electric stuff of a lot of pitchers on this list, he’s arguably the most complete, well-rounded guy in the system.
His early assignment to OKC didn’t go very well and his season was marred by back problems that ultimately shut him down for a spell in the middle of the season, but his first eight and especially his last six starts with the Riders (2.29 ERA; 33 K’s and 8 BBs in 39 IP; .217 opponents average) were enough to leave you thinking that this is a guy who could creep into the back end of the Rangers rotation at some point in 2008.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks lonestar
I knew nothing so that’s interesting. I hope Texas takes a couple more college pitchers like that in later rounds this year.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who vs. who?
""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard
by miles on May 20, 2008 6:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
-1
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 7:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OT: Orioles put up Seven on Yankees in 1st Inning
Mussina already out of the game after 2/3rds of an inning
Danks, Volquez, Galarraga and Young are GONE! GET OVER IT! Endless whining will not bring them back!
by LBBRangerFan on May 20, 2008 6:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yankees are DONE.
maybe not, but it’s still fun to watch them wiggle a little bit…except Matsui, gotta love that guy
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on May 20, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not
It’s possible that they don’t make the playoffs, but not likely, imo. Someone like Oakland or Chicaco would have to beat them out, and I just don’t see that happening. TB is a year away.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because they
made it to the playoffs 13 years in a row doesn’t mean they will make it this year. Even last year, when they were in that big hole in the first half, they had much better pitching to help them get back in it in the 2nd half. This year, they have an inconsistent Mussina, average Pettite, good CM Wang, injured Hughes, crappy Kennedy…. Rasner? That lineup is good, but one year older. Fuggedaboudit.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on May 20, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't fuggedabout Joba
Wang, Pettitte, Joba, Mussina, Hughes is better than what TB or any of the second tier teams throw out there, and their lineup blows them all out of the water.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only one earned run however
Jeter had the error
Danks, Volquez, Galarraga and Young are GONE! GET OVER IT! Endless whining will not bring them back!
by LBBRangerFan on May 20, 2008 6:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees really suck
I wonder what they’d give up for Millwood or Padilla? They clearly need some starting pitching, and they don’t strike me as a team that wants to wait for their young guys too long. I’d be pretty happy if we could spin Padilla to them for Ian Kennedy, one of their good position prospects and maybe a throw in or two.
But I bet they’ll sign Teixeira this offseason, maybe even CC Sabathia, and be back in the hunt next year.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
here's your blockbuster
millwood and blalock for
kennedy, hughes, austin jackson, and bj cox
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 6:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Take out Hughes, and that’s a pheasible trade. But no way to the Yanks give up both Kennedy and Hughes.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wouldn't
give up either of those alone.
""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard
by miles on May 20, 2008 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prop Wager
Marlon Byrd grounds into a DP before/after the 4th inning?
by RA Dickey on May 20, 2008 6:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
doesnt byrd start each game
with at least 1 GIDP to his credit
by spliffy on May 20, 2008 7:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy Hunter quote to Jason Cole, when asked about pitch counts:
Hunter: Everybody was really at 100 pitches. Nolan Ryan came in there and he pretty much laid down the law. You’re going to get up to 100 pitches, or 110 pitches, sometimes. Harrison threw over 100 the other night. It’s going to happen. It is not that big of a deal. It’s just what you’re supposed to do
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 7:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Great...
Just great.
Do you have a link to the actual quote, Shroom?
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really, it's behind a pay wall
over at lonestardugout.com
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 7:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, I'm kinda slow.
Why is this quote significant?
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was a big discussion the other day about Matt Harrison throwing 120 pitches in his no-no
And how it’s not necissarily a good thing that Nolan Ryan wants our young prospects throwing a ton of pitches.
This is just confirmation of my fears that Nolan’s pushing the enelope with our prospects.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
For me it shows breadth and depth of Nolan’s edict – all the way down to the BAK guys. It’s worded in absolutes that I don’t know if we’ve heard yet. Just more info about how serious Nolan is about this, and how much influence he personally is having on development. good 411 in other woods
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, ok...
Thanks anyway, shroom.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lets hope for a better
strike zone today.
by coolaid on May 20, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ugh....Having to sit through the Minny broadcast
And how great their pitchers were batters yesterday.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 7:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey
It can’t be any worse than an Angels broadcast.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can already tell
Young lefty, good controll.
Were gonna get dominated.
by SaltyGoesYard on May 20, 2008 7:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way
Perkins has had some pretty bad command problems over the last year or so.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ohhhh, crap.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
by lisa w on May 20, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's a pretty auspicious start to the game
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How is that a Hit?
The Texas Rangers rounded the bases at a dizzying pace
by fsujon on May 20, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
because that guy can fly and it would have been real close
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would have been out!!
The Texas Rangers rounded the bases at a dizzying pace
by fsujon on May 20, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rewound it on TiVo
He would have been out by at least half a step.
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didnt rewind it......
......just know casilla is fast and the ball was hit slowly
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was that a measurably bad SS play
or just in some of our heads?
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a bad play
Not sure how that ended up a hit…that was a clear error…
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
A tall 1B would help. But that is a play that a good major league SS makes, and I find it a little annoying that people want to create this big grey area where you can’t really criticize Mike with stats or your eyes or anything else.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think.......
......MY is perfect, but it seems like he gets ripped a whole lot on here some justly a lot unjustly
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's fine
I get the impression that people have decided that they need to pick a side with him over the years and either never be willing to give him any credit or never stand for criticism, both of which annoy me.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% agreed
I also think that some people are just pissed at the contract because they think it’s screwed the organization (maybe) and just don’t like MY for that reason regardless what he does.
What happened to my old signature?
by WyoRanger on May 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVE MY
One of my favorite players, and there have been seasons where he’s been legitimately good. He’s been a lot better than I expected him to be offensively this year so far.
What I don’t love is how much so many Rangers fans think he can do no wrong.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is not going well for Doug Mathis
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salty wouldn't have thrown that into left field...
Oh, wait…
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice Play Duran
BAD throw…nd why are you backing up the throw that close?
The Texas Rangers rounded the bases at a dizzying pace
by fsujon on May 20, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ARE YOU FRIGGIN KIDDING ME?
Hey…..nice play…then BAD play.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 7:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why is salty....
....starting today, we are in a losing streak and he really isn’t playing that good
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because
He had a good night offensively last night, and he needs more at bats. He has also worked with Mathis in AAA this year.
The question is not why is he starting, but why wouldn’t he start.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right........
.......lets start the 22 yr old .200 hitting learning the game catcher with Mathis throwing his first M.L start. Laird wouldnt make sense, since he hasnt been hot or anything or he’s not hitting 80 points higher. Mathis made to the big leagues the least we could do is give him a big league catcher.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is your problem?
Salty is know to frame pitches a helluva a lot better than Laird. All Laird can do is throw, and theres more to being a good defensive catcher than that.
Salty has a .392 OBP to go with that .205 average. He’s starting to come out of his slump.
Pull your head outta your ass, will ya?
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
you and Salt should head to California or something…
by AirJordan on May 20, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not going to happen
He already took off with his teacher. He’s not going to run off with some random dude now.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
was that his
high school 1st base coach?
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Salty is know to frame pitches a helluva a lot better than Laird. All Laird can do is throw,
The first part is debateable, and the second part is just bullshit.
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fine
Throw and block. But the point is, Salty’s not a chump compared to Laird.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This season, yes, he is.
Though I understand giving Salty at-bats right now because, hot streak or not, I still think we need to play for the future and not this season.
I don’t necessarily understand having Salty play catcher with a young pitcher on the mound, though.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont have a problem i can see stuff
thats right in front of my face, the only reason y’all on here think salty is so good at framing pitches is becaus you’ve talked your self into it. its obvious he isnt half the catcher laird is right now.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
uncalled for
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on May 20, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, it's Salty's scheduled day to catch
Blue balls is being an idiot because Salty made an error in the first inning. It’s not like Laird hasn’t bounced his share of throws into the OF this year either. I got pissed off.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not being an idiot
just think Mathis needs a veteran catcher for his first start, i am a fan and hope all our guys develop, i just dont want to be there secret daddy like lonestar does
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
salty has caught 2 of his 3 mlb innings coming into tonight.
those didnt result in disaster.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that was in relief
not like they had a choice just think Laird woulda worked better tonight
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-2
no need to dig a deeper hole. Just own it.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on May 20, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
2nd try:
There’s a good side to all this. Mathis is only up to 16 pitches
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That was nice
The Texas Rangers rounded the bases at a dizzying pace
by fsujon on May 20, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Spectacular play by Doug Shelton
Says Eric Nadel.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice play
by Naked Mole Rat.
"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.
by dstar442005 on May 20, 2008 7:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We used to call Dennis Cook
The Evil Dwarf
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes but
Shelton really does look like a Naked Mole Rat. seriously. it’s creeping me out
"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.
by dstar442005 on May 20, 2008 7:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's up with the
masculine mannerisms?
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you use this to draw that mustache?
by slimshadty12 on May 20, 2008 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
exactly what i needed- a virtual hairstyle runner!
by slimshadty12 on May 22, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how did we only give up
two runs that inning seems like we coulda given up 5 good job Mathis
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Milton Bradley
What are his chances of becoming an all star starter this year? Every time I see him he looks more comfotable at the plate, he will bring an awesome haul at the deadline.
by phina on May 20, 2008 7:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
0
he isn’t starting over Big Papi even if he’s hitting .400
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley and the ASG..
He’s listed on the ballot as an OFer, not a DH. So, he’s not competing with Big Papi for the same spot on the roster
by Topgun22 on May 20, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather the Rangers keep him.
He is relatively young and if he can stay healthy can be a great player for the Rangers for a while.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends what you get offered
if a eithier type (as in that high a quality) pitcher in AA or AAA you have to trade him. then talk to him again in the off season.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 7:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He can't stay healthy
I’d be reluctant to go more than 2 years with a team option for a third year with him.
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be satisfied with that
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on May 20, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hamilton
will be on the squad, but if bradley keeps this up he also deserves a spot.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
deserves a spot
but his rep will keep him off. we would have to give him a J. Guillen type 3 for $30 mil. type deal and he cant stay healthy enough for that.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Josh
is going to be it for Texas this year
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler?
I think he has a good shot as a reserve, really maybe on Grudzielanek is having a better year.
Maybe Padilla? 6-2 3.16 top 20 in AL in K’s
MB al rankings
BA 3rd
OBP 1st
SLG 4th
OPS 1st
Walks t-6th
RC 5th
tb t-7th (David Murphy is 6th randomly)
If MB doesn’t make the all star team something is seriously wrong
by phina on May 20, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
......what?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not dallas
maybe in 3 years though
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The hell with it
If Joyce isn’t going to give Mathis the low strike, might as well pull him now and put Rupe in there.
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 7:40 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This crew is garbage
Funny how I still haven’t forgiven Gary Darling for what transpired a couple years ago.
by jamcadbury on May 20, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me neither
and I don’t anticipate forgetting Tshida’s shit real soon either, especially if Joyce compounds it.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Screw you Joyce. Here's one in the balls...
funny.
by Garcia on May 20, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's say Laird is traded after the game
Who becomes the backup catcher?
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
melhuse?
is he ready yet, i know we would have to resign him maybe M. Ramirez and he would be the RH DH since M.Bradley is fixing to start playing regular OF
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
piazza comes out of retirement
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 7:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's trade Chris Davis
for Ronny Paulino or Yorvit Torrealba
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Suck it Gomez
Me fail English? That's unpossible! - RW
by Panorama on May 20, 2008 7:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NaCl
better do something
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The Sheffield-style thing is something he had back in Atlanta
Sometimes he uses it from the right side, sometimes he doesn’t.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Saltalamacchia doing his little wiggle.
It drives the women here in Arlington crazy.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK who would......
.... sign M.Bradley to a 3yr. $35 mil. dollar ext. right now b/c that what it will prob. take/ or trade him?
those are your only two choices lets hear it
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If we're in the race come ASB...
I think option 3 is keep him.
by slimshadty12 on May 20, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, I'd do it
For reference, he’d be just 33 by the end of that hypothetical deal.
by jamcadbury on May 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he
hasnt ever played more than 114 games
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 8:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you do that
id wait till the last second possible. listen to the deals offered and make sure noone offers something silly first.
and again, i still wish we would just keep him at dh so i could have a lot brighter outlook on him getting injured.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
God why is Perkins getting so many swinging strikes off his average fastball...
87-89 mph with what seems little movement
by slimshadty12 on May 20, 2008 7:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Because he is...
a finesse lefty and they absolutely kill the Rangers.
by ghostofErikThompson on May 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the good german
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 7:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
my other question
don’t hit send till done…doh
Of the three in Clinton, Holland, Feliz, and Gomez, which is most likely to be promoted and/or should be promoted to Bakersfield.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gomez least likely
Holland is mature and solid – doubt they worry if he could handle any aspect of the Cal League.
Feliz is a bad-azz – maybe they want to challenge him, but probably just want him to cruise for while.
So, I guess Holland, Feliz then Gomez – if I bet a dollar on it.
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why Gomez least?
I would think that he’s a little more advanced than Feliz and that you might be able to be a little more reckless with him.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiker, Reed, Phillips, Poveda, Jones
If you’re gonna squeeze somebody in there, you might as well make it a non-flyer move.
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but
the fact that Feliz is in a hot streak aside, Gomez and he have been roughly as dominant as each other and both have been better than Holland. I certainly wouldn’t see a Gomez promotion as taking a flyer, especially given the opinion that some of our “analysts” have of him as a prospect.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derek Holland
1-hit shutout going thru 4 IP – cruising
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
and no walks
Maybe he can promote sooner rather than later after all.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey shroom
do you follow along via boxscore or the radio?
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey see my above question
which I somehow put under gossamer’s post like a moron.
Thanks. and keep up the updates. I love those.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 7:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
perkins
38 pitches thru 3 innings?
that can’t be right
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 7:53 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
5-1
groundball to flyball ratio though…
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
radio guys say none hit hard either
poor luck or bad pitching?
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was a hit and run.
MY went to cover 2nd and the hit went into the vacated gap. Not the pitchers fault on that one.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so...
after last night…who’s available to pitch relief? wright, rupe, gabbard?
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Alright, I'm close to my breaking point on this game
by jamcadbury on May 20, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was just thinking the same thing.
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
by lisa w on May 20, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is early
and it’s only a couple runs…but the reliever situation…
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newy Scruggs
taking time away from Hells Kitchen…
by AirJordan on May 20, 2008 8:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ha ha....
Man I hope Jen gets sent home.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 8:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really couldn't
care less about the competition I just love the over cussing from Ramsey.
by AirJordan on May 20, 2008 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.....
If you ever watch his BBC show Ramsay’s Kitchen Nightmares, you can see the true side to him.
Not such a bad guy actually.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do either of you watch Kitchen Nightmares?
Another fantastic Ramsey show.
by cmkelly29 on May 20, 2008 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this wouldnt bother me if we had won yesterday.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is it smart to have your
newbie groundball pitcher get his first start on carpet?
by shroomer on May 20, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
we dont put a lot of thought in to game situations we just play hard and keep our heads up.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Franklyn German is warming up
There’s a Law & Order rerun on TNT right now.
by jamcadbury on May 20, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So this is how it
was last month, almost forgot that feeling.
by AirJordan on May 20, 2008 8:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok....I think I may be done.
Deadliest Catch is on.
by Brandon Worley on May 20, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for the radio and tv guys
who can’t turn the channel.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 8:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Triple play in order here
Yeah that’s comforting, thanks goofy.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Three inches high
Joyce is all over it
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
no other term for it at this point but
clusterfuck
Grieve: The Yanks have struggled so far. - Lewin: Yeah, cry me a bag of money.
by WhipSmart on May 20, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This game has been a disaster for Mathis
Oh well… welcome to the bigs, Doug!
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow. Mathis made the most of this opportunity, eh?
Not pretty at all.
by Athos on May 20, 2008 8:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think that Mathis
has a pretty good shot at being a nice middle relief guy for Texas. Hopefully they won’t feel the need to try the starting thing again for quite a while, though.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair
it looks a lot worse than he pitched. I mean he was bad, just not that bad.
by AirJordan on May 20, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
He walks in the run.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With all the errors and miscues of the last two days
Does anyone think our “hot streak” is over? This team seems to be plummeting back to earth finally.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well one streak is certainly over
not winning this series.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You knew it was probably going to end soon.
Road-trip seems like the operative period. I don’t think we’ll hit an extended cold streak like we did in April again really, but I do think the hot streak is over.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
german with a 4 pitch walk? shocking
i should have actually left.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean in this game, or on this roster?
At this point, there’s no reason to actually use any of our good pitchers in this game.
But on the roster… I don’t know why he’s here either.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
roster
It just pisses me off. Complete waste of a roster spot. DFA him and bring Littleton up.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
My thoughts exactly.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
9-0 that's impressive
I’m glad I can’t watch this. Rojas and Nadel sound like they’re going through root canal.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if only laird had started
probably would be 5-0 rangers in the 5th by now.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 8:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So
Since we’re getting pwned tonight… why don’t we take Hamilton out of the game early so he doesn’t have to run around on the stupid carpet all 9 innings?
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that's the smartest thing
I’ve heard all night.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suspect...
...that will happen…
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 8:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
but he’s already waiting too long for it to yield much benefit.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 8:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
might as well clear the bench
Boggs for Hamilton
Vazquez for Young
I’d even put Laird in LF to get him some ABs and give Murphy the rest of the night off
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd go Vazquez for Kinsler, myself
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on May 20, 2008 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wtf?
i step away for 10 minutes and the other guys score 6 runs?
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Just be glad you missed it
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cmon NaCl!
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:34 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
uggh
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Come on Blue Jays.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on May 20, 2008 8:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for what?
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 8:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bag of peanuts?
"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008
by lisa w on May 20, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the fact that we won't have to pay him his entire contract
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 8:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so trade mike young
for a jorge cantu with the promise that the rangers will pay half his salary?
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, for a couple prospects, obviously
I think eating a chunk of MY’s contract and getting a couple prospects >>> paying MY the entire contract for average-to-sub-par play.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wish we could swap this german outing with yesterdays.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2 out of 3 plate appearences
bradley reaches. keep that obp up!
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
move kinsler to LF already
move MY to 3rd. Let’s get this show on the road.
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:03 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
because german duran would be a really productive 2b right now?
kinslers gaffs are annoying but they dont really cost the team that many runs.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree on MY
But why do people keep bringing up Kinsler/LF? We have no better options at 2B currently. German Duran looks like a UT player.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
cat's a better 2nd baseman than kinsler
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
5 years ago?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No offense dude, but that's a pretty stupid statement
Even if you are trying to be sarcastic.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
care to explain?
or is your explanation your eye, you know, like peter gammons…
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, Kinsler has defensive ability
He is just prone to lapses in concentration. Josh Hamilton is the same way in CF – but does that mean we should move him to first base?
Come on.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay.
Don’t be stupid by comparing the way Kinsler plays defense and the way Josh does.
Lapses in concentration at 2nd is worse and he does it more often anyways. Also, did you want Sori to stay at 2nd?
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
Dude, I’m not the one being stupid.
Have you seen how many plays Ham has blown in CF lately? I think that’s a very good comparison. Both have plenty of defensive ability, but are mistake prone. But it doesn’t mean they need to be move from their positions.
You’re the one being stupid, making statements like “cat’s a better 2nd baseman than kinsler”.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Answer the question
Where you one of those who wanted to move Sori from 2nd?
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I wasn’t even around here while Soriano was playing second base. I wasn’t even blogging then.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay, guess you are new rangers fan then
after sori left. Gotcha.
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really
I saw Soriano play, I just wasn’t a blogger back in ‘04-05.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so
you don’t have an opinion on that? Or, where you not aware of Sori’s defensive inefficiencies at the time? I mean, you can have an opinion outside of this blog, it’s quite okay…
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by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler has more ability at second that Soriano, for one thing
For another, Soriano’s bat can maintain it’s value in LF. Kinsler’s would not.
I thought Sori should have moved at the time, but I don’t think he’s comparable to Kinsler.
By the way… when did this become about me and Soriano, anyway?
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have no better
options at SS either
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not yet
But we will by this offseason.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, as AJM has mentioned
We could sign Adam Everret to be a place holder. If Joaquin Arias recovers, he’ll be a possible option.
But with out staff of sinkerball pitchers, we need a better defensive SS. MY is killing us – I think we’d be better off finding a stopgap until Elvis arrives.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
let arias take the job or let bring elvis up and dont worry about his bat
by mai on May 20, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
arias probably needs a couple more months
for his arm to get up to speed. Hopefully by that point we’ll be ready to trade some of our vets and the youth movement can really begin, with MY at 3rd, and Arias at SS.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
adam everett is not better than michael young
there is a point at which the defensive upgrade is offset by the offensive downgrade.
and i havnt exactly been promoting MY the past few days.
personally i would like to leave MY at SS and Hank at third through 09, breaking in andrus in the latter half of the year however they could. Then at that point (not a year and a half earlier as in last week) you start moving around players to do the move.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly,
Everett is great on defense, but many here would be quick to forget that when he was posting these numbers:
.191/.230/.309
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shelton slam incoming.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that was very disappointing
couple ks and doing nothing with the bases loaded. good night.
of course, not a great night for many offensive guys.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shelton
not helping his chances of staying on the team
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
NaCl time!
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Hurrah, Salts.
can german have his once a week hit?
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by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:08 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
woooh there it is
though he did get a hit last time too i think.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, all we need to do far Salty
Is load the bases for him every time. He’ll be batting .300 in no time.
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by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
why?
do we have to always do stuff for him, why cant he just be a productive ballplayer?
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for gods sake, it was a joke.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no it wasnt
he wants to fight, hahaha
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and he still has a obp around 390
a low batting average in 40 at bats is pretty insignificant.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh so i guess
you were one of those guys who really backed Botts since his BA was real low but he saw a lot of pitches and had a decent OBP.
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
jason botts obp was .304 this year....
good argument.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
he’s had a couple of good OBP months: September ‘05 was .367 and September ‘07 was .372.
Of course, when you’re straight back to the bench, it’s a moot point.
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by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the good german
strikes again
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well, I allowed myself to get dragged back in.
Saw what was going on looking at the scoreboard, and decided you never know when a miracle might happen. Might as well watch and see.
We’ll see how long I can take the abuse.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Have you ever been in a Turkish prison?
by Telegraph on May 20, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joey...
“Have you ever seen a grown man naked?”
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am serious
And don’t call me Shirley.
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice job FSW
beastly.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
nah the rangers have this rally on their on
no bandwagoning!
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
on their own*
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Young looks like
Nelson Cruz right now. Throw him a low and away slider and you’re guaranteed of a swing and miss.
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yep
he gets himself out on outside pitches with alarming frequency.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
all singles
but better than K’s and DP’s
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
3 for his last 19
0 extra base hits, 0 walks.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn
is it just me or does it seem like MY is trying to pull everything
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
young ain't as good a hitter
as tony gwynn
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by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...
That’s like saying Tony Romo isn’t as good of a QB as John Elway…
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tony gwynn
is in his 40’s.
and i bet romo is better than elway
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah...
More like saying, Trent Green isn’t as good of a QB as John Elway…
by Adam J. Morris on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was trying to think of a better QB than Romo for the analogy.
Trent Green’s a good one.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not even close
Trent Green nearly died and Michael has rarely ever been hurt. Go with Romo. He hasn’t done anything in the playoffs yet anyway.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
because it’s Romo’s fault. Please.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said it was.
Pay attention.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
“he hasn’t done anything in the playoffs”
Pay attention to what you say.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not saying it was his fault.
It’s saying he hasn’t done anything to allow his team to succeed in the playoffs. It’s more like referring to WWII Switzerland than Germany.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he hasn't?
He has done more than enough, he can’t help WR’s drop balls and PC can’t run a full route. Sounds like you’re blaming Romo to me…
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh good grief.
Now you’re being ridiculous. The entire team just hasn’t gotten it done. Romo or not.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
okay
say that from the beginning then.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was an analogy
I shouldn’t have to explain Dallas Cowboy philosophy as to why I use it.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But he's also probably better relative to the QBs in the league right now than. . .
. . . Young has been relative to the hitters in the league at any point in his career.
And, for this analogy, a veteran QB makes a bit more sense, since MY is a veteran player with plenty of evidence to look at.
And this is a silly discussion, but at least it’s keeping me from looking at the scoreboard.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, good point.
I revoke Romo. Insert Ben Roethlisberger?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still hasn't been in the league very long.
And I’d also say Roethlisberger is better among NFL QBs than Young has ever been among MLB hitters.
I liked the Trent Green analogy.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh.
I just can’t think of a more appropriate QB who HAS been in the league long enough to compare MY to.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it obvious to anyone else?
that MY is going to swing and miss at every low and away sinker/slider/fastball/change/curve/knuckleball/gyro/splitfinger that you throw?
by Dirk Diggler on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He has always done that, but he used to be able to lay off those pitches
by Telegraph on May 20, 2008 9:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's what I mean
it just seems so obvious to me that he’s going to swing now
by Dirk Diggler on May 20, 2008 9:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
:(
One inning come back dreams shattered.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
That fantasy about coming back from a 9-run defacit was fun while it lasted…
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
this damn radio commerical
pimping michael young is horrible. Please KRLD stop with the propaganda about the “supposed greatness” of MY.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
the Young hate
is getting old.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not when you listen to it 3 times in one freaking game
a game I might add where young is 0-4 at the plate.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ another 1
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
player slumping evokes negative reactions in game reaction thread
alert the presses.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So is the Young love
Maybe we should just all agree that he’s grown mediocre, isn’t the uber-valuable player he’s made out to be by the media, and just leave it at that.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
Not cool.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
It’s the truth. Maybe we shouldn’t hate him, but the reality is, there’s no reason to love him anymore, either.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Until he stops hitting .300 or getting 200 hits at the end of every season
I will continue my man-love of the guy.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
For too much love of total hits and batting average.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha.
That’s a new one.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
People over valuing batting average as a measure of performance isn't new.
It’s been going on for over 100 years.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not overvaluing his BA
I just think the guy is a class act, a great leader, and a damn good hitter.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1/3 of what?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1/3 of what you said
Class act? I guess.
Great Leader? Based on what?
Damn good hitter? No. He’s a good hitter. “Damn good hitter” is going too far.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I completely disagree with everything you said.
Except maybe a little on the first part because you partly agreed with me.
- The guy is a class act. Name one instance when he hasn’t been that’s legit.
- He is a great leader. Taking a position switch of his own accord when the team needed someone to step up and do it? I think so. Not to mention all of his comments to the media the last couple of years about how the less-than-solid play of the team was completely unacceptable.
- And yes, he is a damn good hitter. To again use the example of his 200 hits at the end of a year, he’s done it 5 years in a row. Look at the company that puts him. Those guys are damn good, and so is Mike. He’s given me no reason to think otherwise.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
To add to that 2nd point
Good leaders say those sort of things to motivate their teammates and because they want to take some responsibility for the lack of success on their team.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's had an OPS+ above 110 once.
That would give me a reason to think he’s not a damn good hitter.
Pretty good for a shortstop, though.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Key word
ONCE.
Everyone sucks at least once.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
You’re going to have to explain what you just said to me.
Only once has he had an OPS+ of 110 or better. Just once. You’re right, that is the key word, but that would mean only once has he not sucked.
Not that I would say a 108 OPS+ is sucky, I’m just using your words.
He’s only been better than 9% above average once in his career (131, which is AWESOME from a shortstop, he was great that year).
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant that it was not good (e.g. below average)
one time. According to that statement. I meant everyone has a bad year, a down period if you will. Mike shouldn’t be criticized because of one down year in that one category. That’s all I meant.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
No, he’s been below average three times. He’s been about average four times, including this year.
Once he was well above average.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I said according to that statement.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to my statement he's been well above average once.
I said nothing about how many times he’s been below average, and I never mentioned suckiness. I mentioned he has been better than 10% above average once.
I think you didn’t understand the statement because you didn’t know what OPS+ measures.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
..higher is better.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what
OC said =)
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh + 420
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
by LAMuscleFag on May 20, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he once had an outstanding OPS?
Instead of average? OPS seems like it’s being overvalued… I don’t know, I was just using examples of why I thought the guy was good, but clearly those two stats have no basis in why a player is good.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, what?
“but clearly those two stats have no basis in why a player is good.”
Because Michael Young is just an above-average player based on those stats?
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm using them as examples
As to only a couple of the reasons of why I believe him to be a good player. I don’t feel the need to post them all, I was just giving freaking examples.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't you see the fallacy behind that kind of logic?
Juan Pierre steals, I dunno, 50 bases a year, and hits .300.
I give you those two statistics and leave you to guess everything else, and Juan Pierre might not seem so bad in your eyes.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But your statement is different
You’re saying those two statistics are the only things constituting Pierre’s greatness. I was suggesting that those two stats were examples of why Mike is. Not that they were the only reasons.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I concede.
You’re right. Mike’s the shiznit.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only once.
The key part is ONLY once.
And you are undervaluing OPS. Hits measure almost nothing useful, and batting average is an incredibly useless rate stat. It doesn’t tell you about outs avoided/made or power.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
OPS
is the best measure of run creation available. The point of the game, as we’re constantly reminded, is not by getting hits, it’s by creating runs. When you get on base, you create runs. When you hit for power, you create runs.
Michael Young does neither of those things well right now, and on top of that, he’s costing this team games with his glove.
Hence, people dislike him.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 9:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But don't you think
that a lot of the reason his OPS was only average for so many years is because of his spot in the lineup? We didn’t exactly ever have a stellar lead-off guy.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because no one was on base a lot for those hits to do any damage.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's a link
on the left side of the blog that explains OPS. Read it.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the time we're done here.
The reply box is going to be so narrow your eyes will bleed.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
With replies like the ones above
my eyes are bleeding already.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
that statement isn’t going to help your cause
by Dirk Diggler on May 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What the hell?
So the dude’s going to hit fewer doubles, triples, or homers just because there isn’t a dude getting on base consistently before him?
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Geez.
I give up. Mike’s an amazing hitter, I don’t care what you guys think.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The world is flat.
I don’t care what you guys thing.
Dude, On Base Plus Slugging is a very, very rudimentary baseball stat. It’s taking how many times someone doesn’t get out, and how many bases he averages per plate appearance, and combining those measures.
I honestly didn’t know there was a baseball fan who didn’t know what that was. Don’t get angry because you don’t.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok... here's something then.
His spot in the lineup didn’t call for him to swing for the fences because no one ahead of him got on. He needed only to create opportunities for others to drive him in, which he did by getting a ton of hits, singles or not. That, again, to me, makes one sign of a good hitter, that he can get on base to allow others the opportunity to drive him in.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you'd rather him hit a single
when nobody is on base than a double?
by Dirk Diggler on May 20, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good grief.
NO.
I’m saying that he didn’t always have a reason to swing for the fence or to hit balls in the gap necessarily. As a leadoff guy (which he basically became with the lack of production from the real one), your job is to get on base. Mike did that.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he gets on base at a decent clip.
He’s not garbage. But that doesn’t make him a damn good hitter.
And BA and H don’t measure how well someone gets on base.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No.
He hit in that spot in the line-up BECAUSE he had no power. Power is just as usefull everywhere in the lineup, you just put your most powerful guys in the heart of the order to maximize production.
If he could hit for more power, he would. And SLG isn’t all about swinging for the fences. Plenty of players have respectable OPSes without hitting a lot of home runs.
And if he’s at the top of the order, his job is to gett on base. That means putting up a high OBP, not hitting a lot of singles.
OPS is no less applicable to Michael Young than it is any other player.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
Fine, you win. I quit.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well that's not a very good attitude.
Are you this angry just at people disagreeing with you and maybe trying to educate you?
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
I’m just frustrated because I can’t think of a way to defend my argument any better. Maybe I need to go do some homework for tomorrow night’s game… =/
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were supposed to leave the thread.
Cheater.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I do cheat a lot.
Sorry. Forgot to warn you in advance.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Talking to DSheppard.
See the beginning of his wall of text below.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha.
My bad.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gave you the class act.
Great Leader – How are moving positions to accommodate Soriano and bitching about the team’s poor play examples of leadership?
Good hitter – Someone already mentioned this to you, but you are way overvaluing total hits.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, whatever.
Being accountable for those things, which he HAS done, makes him a good leader. Everyone in management deemed him the unquestioned team leader on the team. He’s done nothing not to deserve the title. Seriously, name one.
And how do you overvalue 200 freaking hits? For five years in a row? That’s a sign of a pretty effing good hitter.
And I said you admitted the class act part, just for the record.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
200 Hits
200 isn’t the sign of a pretty good effing hitter, it’s just the sign of someone who has gotten at least 200 singles. If he has a ton of plate appearances and only gets singles and nothing else, he’s not a very good hitter.
It ignores the ability to get on base (OBP) and the power generated in those hits (SLG), both of which are very, very, very important. Much more important than total hits.
As pointed out, MY’s OPS has usually been about average. One season it was well above average. He doesn’t avoid outs very much, and he doesn’t have a lot of power.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your position
And you have a point. But the guy has gotten a ton of hits, which to me, is the sign of a great hitter. It doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with his ability to drive in runs or create them (after all, he has hit 2nd most of his time with the Rangers), at least in my opinion.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But you're in a pretty large majority in that opinion.
Most people define a good hitter by how good someone is at producing at the plate. They don’t define it as who gets the most hits because they dont’ care who has the most hits. It’s not particularly meaningful.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm...
I don’t know, I just think Mike has done a lot for the organization, and for his slump to garner him so much flack from some here is a good bit disheartening to me. I just wanted to point out why I thought he was better than those opinions, that’s all.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, he gets too much flack.
He also gets too much praise.
He really is actually having a pretty good season. He’s just not a great hitter. For a shortstop he’s a good hitter.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just wondering here...
Why does everyone correlate a player’s success with their position relative to other players at the same position? Shouldn’t it just be looked at overall by similar players in regard to style or type of hitter?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Style or type of hitter doesn't matter.
Only what you produce. If you put together a high OPS by being a doubles hitter with a high BA, or by being a slugger with a lot of walks, it doesn’t matter. All that matters is the production.
Comparing how someone hits to the other players of their position helps you measure a player’s value. Offense is more valuable at some positions than others. MY’s offense is more valuable than, say, Chris Sheltons (if they have equal production).
MY is a good hitter for a shortstop. He his not a very good hitter if you irregard position, though.
Last year, David Ortiz was almost as good a hitter as A-Rod, but A-Rod’s offense was much more valuable because he was playing third while Papi was DHing.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, makes sense.
Thanks for the explanation.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 10:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and you can think that
and lsj can think otherwise. deal with it?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
I’m very confused about how lsj figures into this.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are looking at batting average when it's just as easy to look up OPS.
I consider that overvaluing BA.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's just two examples.
It doesn’t mean that’s all I look at.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then we'll have to agree to disagree.
Because there’s not much reason for me to look at it, particularly when deciding if someone is good or not.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and if you say good hit young after he gets on are you shouted down?
some reason both opinions arnt allowed?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bad comparison
I really like Young, but am more than willing to point out when he has a bad AB or botches a play in the field. Quite different from people saying there’s propaganda making him out to be great.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
As do I.
+1
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
have you heard this commerical?
I just didn’t want to hear it especially when he’s in a slump at the plate. Sell the Rangers, hell sell Hamilton, Kinsler, Murphy, or something. It’s just a bad commerical and I’m tired of hearing it.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's marketing
I’m listening to KRLD too. I’m sure that they’ll make new ones featuring Hamilton. There are even more featuring Nolan Ryan. They’re simply trying to sell more tickets.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There IS propaganda out there making him out to be great.
Not saying that’s you or not, but it’s there.
Just like there’s propaganda out there making him out to be garbage. He’s our own little version of Derek Jeter.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
im discussing the general "too much young hate" posts
do you think by the “other opinion” i was referring to a specific commercial reference? come on.
and please, the commercial does make him out to be better than he is. is that standard commercial stuff? yeah. does it bother me? no. is it ridiculous to be pointed out? no.
the fact is the rangers have had a bad 3 days in which young has been terrible. it shouldnt be that surprising to see some young criticism stir up. what exactly do you expect in a reaction base thread? young continues his slump and somebody to go “goooooooooooooo young, i love you” instead of noting his continuous swing and misses at the same pitch?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on,
be honest. It’s not just in this thread. It’s in the main thread also. He’s become the favorite punching bag for many on LSB.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's a guy with a big contract
with his heir apparent in the upper minors. Those are the type of guys that usually become punching bags.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That heir apparent
Is a good year+ away from becoming such.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy is 19 years old
and doing decently as a singles hitter with good defense. I’ll take that over a singles hitter with bad defense any day of the week.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's also a fan favorite, with a lot of people turning a blind eye to him.
That can also lead to punching-bag-itis from fans who aren’t biased towards the player, but compensate by going too far the other way.
Derek Jeter’s getting it lately in Yankees groups.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the main thread.... from LAST NIGHT? this is ridiculous
bottom line:
the guy is slumping and playing poor defensively.
some people criticize him for it.
so what?
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but, it’s overkill. He’s a good player, who the team signed to a huge contract. Why not be mad at JD, instead?
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh we
have plenty of people mad at JD already.
When he signed his contract, even the most negative (Cahill) didn’t think he’d be this bad this quickly. He was also the one making noise last year and the year before that about 1) wanting a contract or 2) wanting out cause the team’s bad.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a reply to you
but im leaving the thread and just want to summarize my opinion on MY
I dont think hes a bad player. I dont personally dislike him. I loved him a couple years ago like most of us did.
But as you see him slip further defensively, lose power, and have longer and longer slumps… its frustrating. It happens to almost every player. Its not like I want to wish we hadnt signed MY long term, but the reality is its looking like its going to be a poor contract.
And its just how baseball works, but it happens to coincide with his salary skyrocketing so it makes his value to the team look worse.
And then this moving blalock from 3b nonsense comes in and frustrates me because it seems connected to MY, and it seems like the team is hurting itself to try to hide MY’s flaws. And in this case I do bring up JD, i think it was stupid to allow that move. But blalock isnt the topic so ill move on…
Young is a player with flaws and good attributes like any other player. I dont think its ridiculous to think he is really good and I dont think its ridiculous to think he is below average when you start thinking about him as a 3b.
And its certainly not ridiculous to get frustrated with him and make some remarks in a gameday thread. Young doesnt deserve immunity from crticism. If you guys cant take some criticisms during a slump, I dont know what you are doing in a reaction based thread.
Basically… blah. I want MY to be great, but facts are facts and hes declining like 99% of players do. I think a good portion of fans who follow really closely and watch some of his struggles are going to be frustrated, and some of them are going to be vocal about it. Fair game.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
is it just me or does everybody think the same thing when they see lonestarJon pop up on the bottom right of the screen
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much.
Two -1’s in about 5 posts might be a fair indication.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it's gotten to be a little much
I’m not aiming this solely at you, but there is a general antipathy toward veteran players by commenters on LSB and over the top love for the new, young, shiny players.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, it is.
But so is the constant Young defense.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but, those of us defending him
are basically just saying he doesn’t suck, we’re not trying to make him out to be something he isn’t. Off the top of my head, I know Athos and I are probably the biggest Young supporters on LSB and we both agree he should be moved off SS as soon as there’s a better option.
by Randy Richardson on May 20, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i gagree
i think Mike gets a bad rap, i am not saying hes Miguel Tejeda but he def. is a very good SS and will prob. be a very good 3B
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the guy (as I've been saying...)
And I agree that his range is more befitting of a 3B and should be taken advantage of when the time is right.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is not true.
You and I may merely be saying he doesn’t suck, but there are plenty out there that promote him as having been elite over his career which isn’t really justified.
More than that, there are people who get very pissy when someone poitns out a deficiency in Young’s game.
I’m not singling you out or even lumping you with either group, just saying there are unrealistic folks on either side.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at the post
in this thread alone. There are plenty of people that thinks he is beyond average. When you combine his bat and his glove, that’s what he is right now. Add in the fact that we’re stuck with the contract for the next 5 years, are you really shocked?
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 9:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, pimp my shortstop!
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 20, 2008 9:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Almost
I was almost waving my arms in a bird like motion after that play
by 1man5tools on May 20, 2008 9:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i really haven't seen the awesomeness
that Rupe was supposed to have. Have I missed it somehow?
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
it's right on par
with the 1-2-3 innings that cj wilson has had lately
send me nominations for the Hall of the Very Good
http://www.buchanan4pres2008.org/
NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on May 20, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meanwhile in Clinton
Holland 6 IP, 2R (1 earned) 3K 0 BB
Beltre 2-4 with 2 singles
Gac struck out all 3 times
Kings winning 4-2 at bottom of the 8th
by Telegraph on May 20, 2008 9:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Any word
On when Chris Davis is going to get a promotion to Oklahoma?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
one or both of gold and botts
will have to go. Dunno when that will happen.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
may not
may just come here straight from “HELLO FRISCO”
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
come on murph
I need something to cheer.
by Hull Fan on May 20, 2008 9:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Murph = Rusty Greer (at least for the most part)
Anyone?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One pretty big difference: OBP
by Brett Perryman on May 20, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
But he IS a (technically) rookie.
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, true.
But, as a rookie, Rusty put up a .410(!!!), and in his first full season he put up a .355.
Murphy will have to turn it up to merely be above average this year.
Which is not saying he hasn’t been a really nifty rookie, it’s just saying the Greer comparisson might be a bit much.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 9:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Um
because I disagree with your taste in women?
And I agree with AirJordan’s initial post.
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the.....
.... The Great White Prize his Airness doesnt care
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I was actually trying to stop all the bitching about MY by posting this pic. Didn’t work. How hot they are, I don’t know. Usually I go by this, if I’m walking down the street and see them….. Will I take a second look? I can tell you that I wouldn’t take a 2nd look in this case. If I think they’re average, MJ can do a whole lot better than that.
by AirJordan on May 20, 2008 10:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about a random HR for MY
i promise not to criticism him for 24 hours if so.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
How about that single instead?
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ow...
My three favorite numbers: 10, 32, 36. =)
by utlonghorn24 on May 20, 2008 9:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Freaking HAMILTON
seems like he has a bad night and hes 2-5 with a RBI unbelievable
by blueballlefty on May 20, 2008 9:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We'll get them tomorrow
come back soon Kevin Millwood.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 9:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bring Brandon McCarthy
with you.
"When I am pissed off, I get angry." - Miles 5/06/08
by Chase Irwin on May 20, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would be great
B-Mac, I’m not as angry at since he’s still young, and a lot of guys hit their injury nexus hard and still turn out fine.
Millwood though? That’s a bad bunch of breaks for a supposed staff ace.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 9:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
forgot it was a 4-gamer
still some small hope of not LOSING a series in 8 consecutive.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 9:55 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
By the way, despite all this Young hate. . .
If the All-Star game was tomorrow, he’d at least deserve to go. Probably even start.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah
the rest of the AL SS’s aren’t anything special either
by Dirk Diggler on May 20, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeter's been hurt.
But, yeah, I guess. Kind of a testament to the crapstorm that is AL shortstops.
by LiamP on May 20, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm looking around
and…Bobby Crosby might be the 2nd best AL shortstop this year? Julio Lugo?
AL SS suck right now.
by FirebatM3 on May 20, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd say MY and Jeter are one and two.
That’s without looking too hard at defense, though. Crosby’s defense could make up for their offensive advantage.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
doesnt actually make his performance better/worse
but good for MY. i want to see him in the all star game. not like i actually dislike him now.
and i think he will probably pick the offense back up a bit and make sure he does make it anyway.
Gerald Laird is my hero.
by DSheppard on May 20, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think so
The All Star game is in New York in the last year of Yankee Stadium. I don’t think MY is going start that game.
by BillyBobisdrunk on May 20, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't say he would.
I said deserved to. This is a big difference.
Troy Tulowitzki deserved to win the Gold Glove. Somehow, Jimmy Rollins won it.
Jeter has a good argument to start the AS game, of course, but that’s beside the point.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lance Berkman is my favorite non-Ranger player
that is all.
"Popularity is fleeting. … Principles are forever." - George W. Bush
by Longhorn on May 20, 2008 11:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
500
Chris Shelton was Sports Center’s play of the day.
by philkid3 on May 20, 2008 11:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why?
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 21, 2008 4:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind
I read it wrong. I thought you said player of the day, and I was going “huh?”, but then I saw you said play of the day right after I made the above comment… heh.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
David Murphy rocks, so Ellsbury can just go get himself a taco or something.
by lonestarJon on May 21, 2008 4:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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