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PECOTA takes on Shorstop Prospects (as it concerns the Rangers)

I was checking Baseball Prospectus's latest report in a series that looks at what PECOTA currently thinks of the best prospects at every position in baseball.

Yesterday it was shortstops. Now, I'm not posting everthing right now, just getting to what pertains to the Rangers because it was interesting. The score next to them is their "upside score." If you actually want more to it than that I can get to it later, but you're probably the kind of person who would do well to have a BP subscription anyway if you care.

I digress. The second tier of shortstops discussed is the tier of "Very Good Prospects," (behind Excellent), and this stood out to me:

>>>Marcus Lemon, Rangers (20)          97.0<<<
Alberto Gonzalez, Yankees (25)      92.3
Justin Snyder, Yankees (22)         88.6
>>>Elvis Andrus, Rangers (19)          81.2<<<
Hainley Statia, Angels (22)         80.0
Carlos Triunfel, Mariners (18)      79.0
Trevor Plouffe, Twins (22)          65.1
Todd Frazier, Reds (22)             54.4
Carlos Rivero, Indians (20)         54.4
Jason Donald, Phillies (23)         51.2

Now, I haven't heard much about Marcus Lemon, and I certainly haven't heard him placed ahead of Andrus, like. . . ever. So I found that pretty intreguing. Here's what Nate Silver had to say:

Things start to get weird from this point on. I’m not quite sure what PECOTA saw in Marcus Lemon, since there was superficially very little to be impressed with in his .261/.353/.364 batting line last year, but the combination of a strong walk rate and relatively good speed speaks to an interesting mix of skills and tools, a little bit like Jimmy Rollins demonstrated in the low minors. So far, PECOTA appears to be on to something, as Lemon is hitting .290/.405/.430 at Bakersfield thus far this year. Those are California League numbers, and so need to be discounted rather heavily, but if Lemon’s defense comes through—and he’s been rangy enough but error-prone in his career so far—he’s a guy who could be on a lot of radar screens a year from now.

It has nothing else to say about Andrus, though they've spent a lot of time on him already.

A score of 50-100 they say means, "Very Good Prospect. Strong chance of a meaningful major league career, with some legitimate chance at stardom. Best-case outcomes may involve some Hall of Fame potential."

A score of 100+ means, "Excellent Prospect. One of the better prospects in baseball. Strong chance of long major league career, perhaps with several All-Star appearances. May have Hall of Fame potential, especially if prospect is young or has a rating of 150 or higher."

Maybe I'm alone, but that personally got me to arch my eyebrows.

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That seems abnormally positive on Lemon, but it’s nice to have two prospects in BP’s top 11 for shortstops. Furthermore, out of that 11, Andrus, Lemon and Moustakas are the only ones under the age of 22.

Rangeressary

"the poets have been mysteriously silent on the subject of cheese." - G.K. Chesterton

by rangeressary on May 23, 2008 5:32 AM CDT reply actions  

Lemon has shown improvement

over time, after a pretty slow start last year, his walk rate and OBP was terrific. Andrus is two months younger and holding his own in AA, impressive in a different way. I would like to see Andrus exhibit the same type of improvement over the next few months, with his numbers going up accordingly. As for defense, I’m not going to worry about error totals just yet, their excitable kids (think of Miles playing defense).

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 23, 2008 7:32 AM CDT reply actions  

(think of Miles playing defense).

Wow. I might pay money to see that.

"You got a guy coming up there who can’t hit water if he fell out of a boat." - Tom Grieve on Richie Sexson, 5.8.2008

by Lisa W on May 23, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oops

they’re excitable kids. A very Miles-like typo.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 23, 2008 9:30 AM CDT up reply actions  

First of all...

Elvis Andrus is almost 2 years older than me.

And I garentee I could beat Andrus in basketball.

""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard

by miles on May 23, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

And in

fist fight for sure.

""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard

by miles on May 23, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, Miles

you’re such an internet tough guy!

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on May 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

-1

""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard

by miles on May 23, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Miles = BEAST

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on May 23, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

I guarantee that Andrus,

a native of Venezuela, has a better understanding and mastery of the English language than you.

by jparks77 on May 23, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions  

Simply

JP!

...it's the weekend, so why the hell not?

by Rodney on May 23, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yes

but do you garentee it?

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on May 23, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions  

Garentee***

""I want George W. Bush to say, "All things equal, I screwed up this country far worse than I did the Texas Rangers."" - Chris Ballard

by miles on May 23, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Lil' Lemon is the shiznit

His on base skills are excellent, especially for a MIF. People were way too down on him after last year, when he was very young for his league. He struggled mightily out of the gate with the aggressive assignment to Clinton, but he came back and had a nice second half, and there were plenty of indications the kid could play.

If he can stick at SS he could end up being pretty damn good.

I’m a fan.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on May 23, 2008 12:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Marcus Lemon?

any relation to Meadowlark Lemon?

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on May 23, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions  

awwww better yet!

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on May 24, 2008 1:46 AM CDT up reply actions  

Let the record show...

...that Lemon is “my” guy.

http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/5/19/520500/just-click-on-it#6189256

What was heartening about Lemon was that, despite his slow start, he was still walking at a decent rate and not striking out too much. His patient approach paid off eventually. He is said to be mature beyond his years.

Love of God and compassion and empathy leads you to a very glorious place, and science leads you to killing people. -- Ben Stein

by Lucas on May 23, 2008 1:41 PM CDT reply actions  

Stein

Wow, that’s an unintentionally hilarious quote. I guess the Spanish Inquisitors, Crusaders, and jihadists were all just blinded by science.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 23, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions  

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