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Billy Beane and Rebuilding

AN has part 1 of the Billy Beane interview up, highly recommended.  It is equally relevant in our situation.  Link

EDIT: Part 2 of the interview is up.  This part is a bit more A's specific, but still some good stuff.  Link

Part 3   Link

Blez:  It’s been a long time since we chatted and the last time we did, you shied away from the word “rebuilding” and called it “retooling” instead.  Since then you’ve gone through the rebuilding process and you yourself referred to it in the media as that. What was the impetus behind that rebuilding?

Billy Beane:  The impetus for it was where I thought we were headed. That to me is as important as anything with a franchise: not where you are but where you are going.  I really thought our best-case scenario for the next year or two was really mediocrity.  Ultimately there was no chance to be a really, really good team and I just felt we were going to just be in that middle area there.  I also knew at some point we were going to have to, so to delay it was really just wasting time.  We were at the FanFest and a few people were upset.  Actually every year there are a few people upset (laughs).  I remember asking the question back to a gentleman in the audience who was upset and it‘s good that he was upset because he cares about the team and he was there spending a Saturday which is why we have those events.  But I asked him the question of how many games he thought we would win if we stood pat and he said something like 75 or 80.  He was upset and I said, “Are you OK with that?”  That was essentially trying to stimulate what was going through our minds and get him thinking the same way.  Winning 75 or 80 games is nothing to get excited about, particularly if that’s what you’re going to do over the next several years.

And this next clip is interesting given that earlier in the season, there were some talks by the FO on "not eroding the fanbse"

Blez:  I’m not really talking about the hard core fans who live and breathe and die with the team like the Athletics Nation people do.  I’m talking more about the casual fan who comes on occasion because the team has an interesting player they want to see.

Beane:  I don’t think people come out on a regular basis to see individuals.  I think people come out to see a team.  We have no other way to operate. We could operate where we have a whole generation of players well beyond its prime but there would be even less people here.  For every one we lose because we don’t keep their favorite player, we’re going to keep two if we win.  And the reverse is true.  The thing that’s always been interesting about being here is that there is always excuses about why people don’t come out.  The fact is that we don’t draw.  The blame has always been on this thing or that thing.  There is always something new.  I mean we went to the ALCS in 2006 and in an era when baseball attendance was shooting up 26 percent or something, we wound up drawing less people the next year.  Explain that.  Over the last decade, we’ve put a pretty good product on the field.  We have a group (of fans) here that’s been here since the first year we came here.  The fact remains is that we’re still well behind the curve when it comes to attendance and some of it is probably the organization’s fault.  Not everyone is completely blameless.  You can understand that when you’re having that kind of turnover you’re going to lose some of that loyalty.  Again the flip side for us, given everything that we have to balance, is that we’re going to maintain that loyalty with the hardcore people by putting the best product we can on the field and having to err on the side of making good business decisions instead of making emotional decisions.  Believe me, my life would be a lot easier if we could just stamp a team down for the next six or seven seasons.

As you know, the A's are in a very similar situation right now as the Rangers.  It appears the Beane and JD has approached the situation in very similar fashion in some areas, but not so much in some other areas.  It will be very interesting to follow the development of these two teams, and it will be tough for JD since he is essentially going head-to-head against one of the best in the business in rebuilding.  The next couple of years will be very interesting to see.

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Come on Adam

Pull the strings and make it happen!

by Telegraph on May 26, 2008 12:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

disagree

What Adam does here is different than what the A’s nation people do. Adam has always had a quasi-adversarial relationship with the Rangers, and I think that might be lost if he got too chummy with JD. I think Adam is on board with JD, but I’d rather not see his objectivity compromised by doing that kind of thing. I realize I’m probably in the minority with that opinion, though…

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on May 26, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I like the truth, not ass kissing.

"We will look back in 20 years, and say that Clayton Kershaw was one of the best pitchers of all time" - me

by miles on May 26, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't understand how an interview will compromise objectivity

It doesn’t require Adam and JD to become drinking buddies.

by Telegraph on May 27, 2008 9:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ask Jamey and Mike

those guys lost their objectivity as time went on. now they both have blogs on MLB.com, Jamey does stuff for the rangers and i think its effected their non-biased approach.

.500 or bust!

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on May 27, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't

think there was ever a time when they didn’t consider themselves at least slightly biased

by Gdawg on May 27, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My thought also

Why would Jamey pose as wholly objective? His web presence and the NMLR is an exposition of fandom for the Rangers through presentation of the minor league system. He covers more non-franchise activity than beat writers, true, but …....................

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on May 27, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No doubt

James is an unabashed homer and optimist, and anyone who reads him regularly would understand that.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 27, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Plus

his son throws baseball cards out the window.

The 40 trumps all!!!

by thedirkatron on May 27, 2008 10:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I definitely agree with him

that most folks don’t come out to see individual players, they want to see winning baseball. Making long term, overmarket deals with players because you think fans come out to see them is probably a bad move.

Do what you need to do to win. Once you are winning, the fans will come.

Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it

by DJCahill on May 26, 2008 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Eric Chavez anyone?

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 26, 2008 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unless I'm mistaken. . .

Michael Young was signed for 80 million for five years when he was 30. Eric Chavez was signed for six years at 66 million when he was 26. Young was coming off a 107 OPS+ season and two years of decline, Chavez was coming off a 134 season and several years of progress.

It has certainly not turned out to be the best deal (partially because of back problems), but I don’t think it’s even comparable to the Young deal. I stand by saying he wouldn’t have re-signed MY.

Hank Blalock, on the other hand. . .

by philkid3 on May 26, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not saying he would...

have signed MY to that contract. What I was saying is that he ’s willing to sign a player or two to a large long term deal.

It’s not always about “small ball” with Beane.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 26, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree.

Especially if he was the Rangers GM. With an owner willing to give him more money to work with there would be more long term deals, he’s just adverse to them because of the conditions he works it.

If he were our GM he’d probably more resemble Theo Epstein.

by philkid3 on May 26, 2008 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

yea i agree about the theo comp

Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark

by knockoutking on May 26, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you

can give big contracts to guys like JD Drew?

Theo isn’t all he is cracked up to be…

He has lots of chances to F up with that big payroll.

"We will look back in 20 years, and say that Clayton Kershaw was one of the best pitchers of all time" - me

by miles on May 26, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's because he can take chances.

Right now, Beane’s mistakes are in the players who slip through his fingers and the players he never goes after, but. . .

Half way through this post I realized I was about to try and talk baseball with Miles.

by philkid3 on May 26, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

-1

You don’t know what your talking about.

Lots of GM’s would be able to come up with a good team for close to 200 million dollars….

"We will look back in 20 years, and say that Clayton Kershaw was one of the best pitchers of all time" - me

by miles on May 26, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chavez wasn't overpaid

because he was a fan favorite. Chavez’s contract was fairly good if you looked at his age, production, and position.

Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it

by DJCahill on May 27, 2008 6:33 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

it’s the same thing with the Danks-McCarthy trade. You can’t predict injuries for young players.

by FirebatM3 on May 30, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

it wouldn't shock me

and the more I think about it, the more I can imagine that he may visit the blog on a somewhat regular basis and at least reads Adam’s front page stuff.

by alon91 on May 27, 2008 12:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm betting

that JD tries to read LSB and other blogs/fan sites on a semi-regular basis. He seems to have a pretty good feel on what Ranger fans are feeling plus he always seems pretty open with communicating to everyone.

by Gdawg on May 27, 2008 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also

This was the most intreguing part to me:

Blez: Would you had made the decision to bring Frank back if the team hadn’t gotten off to a pretty good start?

Beane: Yeah, I think so. Our history suggests that if you can make incremental improvements, you should. Yeah, it’s hard to imagine not being interested in Frank.

I find that surprising.

by philkid3 on May 26, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It is, and it isn't

Surprising. A GM will usually assert that he was positive on a deal “with or without team progress” once the ink is dry and the money going out on a payroll. Beane is pretty candid, though. My second thought was that no way does he fault the team’s transactions with a new ballpark imminent and additional fan base to grab for. In fact it would be justice for both Beane and Brian Sabean if Beane and the A’s eroded the San Jose/South Valley fan base. Thus Fremont, IMHO.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on May 26, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame the color scheme

The fact remains is that we’re still well behind the curve when it comes to attendance and some of it is probably the organization’s fault.

It is just painful to watch the green and yellow.

by bushe on May 27, 2008 8:00 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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