The Dayton Moore Game
by FirebatM3 on May 30, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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OK, so Royals general manager Dayton Moore showed me this fun little game you can play with your team. It begins with a scouting question: How many 60 tools does your team have?
20 — Sucks beyond belief. Travis Hafner’s defense would be a 20. Barely knows which glove goes on which hand. Tony Pena Jr. is a 20 hitter. Bengie Molina is a 20 runner. Jason Kendall has 20 power. Andie McDowell is a 20 actress. Carrottop is a 20 comedian. Roger Clemens is a 20 liar. And so on.
30 — Just plain sucks. Johnny Damon’s arm might be a 30. It’s a 20 on the strength scale — it’s ASTONISHING how weak his arm is — but I’d say it’s a 30 overall because he is usually accurate with it at least.
40 — Doesn’t suck, but is still a tick below average. I’d say Kevin Youkilis is a 40 runner. Maybe Jermaine Dye. Maybe someone in between them.
50 — Exactly major league average. In 2005, Brandon Inge had almost the perfect 50 season. He hit .261/.330/.419 with 16 home runs, he stole seven bases and was caught six times, he had a .957 fielding percentage which was precisely the league average, and so on.
60 — All-Star Level. Placido Polanco is probably a 60 hitter. I think that Carlos Beltran — when healthy and engaged — has 60 power and 60 speed.
70 — Above All-Star Level. This is the superstar category. Lance Berkman has 70 power. Torii Hunter is (or certainly was — I don’t know if he’s fallen off at all) a 70 center fielder. Jose Reyes has 70 speed.
80 — Superhuman. There are scouts that just won’t give the 80 to anyone. An 80 would be — Albert Pujols or Ted Williams would be an 80 hitter. Mickey Mantle or Big Head Barry would have 80 power. Cool Papa Bell would be an 80 runner. Roberto may have had the only 80 outfield arm in baseball history (though Ellis Valentine should be heard). Ozzie at short, Mays in center, JB behind the plate are 80 defenders.
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What's your evaluation for the Rangers as far as the scouting scale is concerned?
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Oh and Ben Broussard- 80
20 power + 20 speed + 20 defense + 20 bat= BB
by slimshadty12 on May 30, 2008 12:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Hmm...
Hamilton may have 60’s (or above) in 3 categories: definitely ARM and POWER, but possibly HITTING.
Laird may be a 60 FIELDER (since bunting isn’t a tool, he doesn’t get the 80 he deserves there)
Young was probably once a 60 HITTER, but now probably more of a 50. His THROWING may be 60, offset by a 30 defense.
Bradley may be a 60 HITTER
Kinsler has lots of 50s, in my book (speed, power, hitting), but maybe one of those is a 60. He’s better than Inge, his definition of 60.
based on what we've been
seeing from Kinsler in having a 100% success in stealing
and hearing about Kinsler’s baseball knowledge.
You could probably justify giving him a 60 in base running.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
If it is base running
then yeah – he gets a 60. But he isn’t fast like Fast Freddie Guzman is/was. He’s just a really smart base runner who knows when to run. I don’t know if that counts in the scouting of a tool…
fair enough
I wasn’t really thinking in terms of a “tool”
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
it's pretty obvious that is the subject of this whole evaluation system though
so my mistake.
"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2
Something interesting about steals
a minor leaguer told they do something that I didn’t know about. In spring training they work on getting a time on how long a pitcher takes to bring it to the plate and compare it to whether you were successful or not. He said after you get your time, his was 1.3 seconds, a coach takes a stopwatch in the first inning and figures out how long the opposing pitcher is taking to pop the mitt, and if its over 1.3 he’s gets the green light.
Seems like Kinslers got something working similar.
by corbsclinton on May 30, 2008 1:46 PM CDT up reply actions
depending on how you score it
Kinsler is probably a 60’s basestealer but just straight out speed he’s more like a 58
Also there needs to be more of a middle ground Between just League Avg. and then All-Star there should be an above avg. section and maybe not a superhuman one, Just MO
by blueballlefty on May 30, 2008 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh Yeah if.....
.........Berkman has 70 power then Hamilton has 70 power and Padilla is showing signs of a 70 Fastball.
padilla does not have a 70 FB
in any world.
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on May 30, 2008 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions
I was in Vegas and walking through I think the Luxor
and kept seeing his stupid face everywhere, and was just confused about why anyone would pay the $100 or whatever it is to see his Vegas show. Vegas really must cater to white trash…
Imagine playing the blackjack table, and you’re winning, and the pit boss walks up to you and offers you free carrot top tickets. Out of disgust you’d probaby subconsciously hit on an 18 just to get you to leave the place…
In a world where Gallagher and Weird Al Yankovic and Cedric the erroneously named Entertainer are making weekly Gs
I can’t begrudge the Top…
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on May 30, 2008 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Really, really nice guy
Lived right by my college and I’d often see him around. He was always signing autographs and posing for pics with kids while telling them jokes and stuff.
God knows who would want his autograph, but at least he isn’t a dick. That has to count for something.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on May 30, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
If you weren't thedirkatron
you’d be thecarrottopathon, just admit it. Don’t feel bad though, that’s better than being thecarlosmenciaathon.
Heh.
and for some reason....
I wrote “athon” instead of “atron”.
Oh God, a Carlos Mencia-thon? That’s cruel.
So much better than Mencia
I don’t like Carrot Top or anything, but I never got all the hate.
Carrot Top sucks, but I always thought he sucked in a benign kind of way, like the way roller hockey sucks or the way Coldplay sucks.
Guys like Carlos Mencia are aggressively unfunny and should be killed.
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on May 30, 2008 4:37 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh my god
That post could not have been written better.
"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos
by inactive lsb user on May 31, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Hitting is a tough tool to evaluate,
since hitting a ball is a tough skill but just hitting the ball doesn’t necessarily make a player productive.
MY is a 60 hitter, but he’s not always all that productive of a 60 hitter because his power and on-base skills are 45s.
To me all aspects of hitting...
...should be lumped together for this evaluation. Hitting for average, for power, and for getting on base. Taking that into consideration he would have to rate closer to 50 (league average) than 60 (all-star level).
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
You are an easy Tool to evaluate
Sorry couldn’t resist.
Current Commander in Chief: 20
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
+1
eom
Every pitch thrown to Josh Hamilton is recorded as an E1. -- clark
by knockoutking on May 30, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more...
...I have to hear enough of that crap on the TV in the locker room at my health club. It’s constantly tuned to CNN or Fox News.
Beating.
Of the highest order.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
It's pretty alarming a lot of the time
to catch a TV in a gym, bar, or restaurant, tuned to a cable news station.
These days, the cable news you watch often hints toward your views.
Throw on local news, or sports.
"It’s constantly tuned to CNN or Fox News."
Keeping up with current events is a beating of the highest order?
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on May 30, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions
That's really sad, Jon
Hopefully, your apathy extends to not voting.
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on May 31, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos
by inactive lsb user on May 31, 2008 8:50 PM CDT up reply actions
I don't mean to sound like I don't know what's going on
I do, but I’m just not a guy that sits in front of the news every day. I mean, why would you? High gas prices, high food prices, Barack vs. Hallary… blech. Yes, keeping up with the news is a beating. Doesn’t mean I don’t do it, though.
But no, I don’t sit and watch FOX news or MSNBC or anything.
A Lonestar in California - 2.0
"I LOVE to fart" - Bert Blyleven
by LSJ on Jun 1, 2008 5:11 AM CDT up reply actions
Why would you?
Because keeping up with the news helps you understand why/how these things are happening and help make informed decisions about the future. Being a citizen ought to be at least as important to you as being a baseball fan.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
News OK...
...campaign coverage not OK.
Right now on the stations I referenced it’s difficult to get the former and avoid the latter.
Right around the time all the young talent is ready to contend is when the organization will realize that Ron Washington is the wrong man for the job.
Maybe so
Dude has been on my mind a lot lately. First thing I thought of when Posnanski started making 20 scale analogies.
McClellan reflex.
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on May 30, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions
This is not the Brian we know,
this is more like left wing blogger stuff.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Heh
Smart money says that joke flew securely over knockoutking, chadcrudup, and possibly cmkelly’s head.
But van damn, bet they caught stu scott’s boo yah highlight of the weekend! Can I cracka get a hellsl yeah for aggressively ambivalent ignorance??
Bread be buttaed!!
"For the record, I did not and do not like the Volquez trade, even though Hamilton is awesome and our best player and I think he’s going to be one of the best players in baseball." philikid3
by Brian Thomas on May 31, 2008 6:20 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Chris Shelton
has 60 ears.
I guess it was the beatings made me wise. But I'm not about to give thanks, or apologize.
He's an 80 on the gingervitis scale
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on May 30, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought that too
but for the life of me, I can’t seem to think of her last great, or even good, film.
Hudson Hawk was freaking epic
The 40 trumps all!!!
by thedirkatron on May 30, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Multiplicity!
/sarcasm
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
She looked good
in that Tarzan movie way back in the day. The hairdresser deserved a big tip.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
Let's see
If we are going off of just the traditional “5 tools”
Laird - arm
Cat - hitting
Young - hitting
Boggs - defense (for a COF)
Hamilton - hitting, hitting for power, arm, defense (for a COF)
Bradley - hitting
I think
occassionally Adam hits on the crack pipe and says things for shock value.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
+1
"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos
by inactive lsb user on Jun 2, 2008 4:05 PM CDT up reply actions
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