If I were Mavs GM....
First and foremost..
Resign:
Antione Wright
Tyronne Lue
JJ Barea
Sign(mid level exception):
Mickael Pietrus
Stromile Swift
Trade:
Josh Howard for Shawn Marion(Sign and Trade)
Explanation:
Pietrus brings us what we need from the shooting guard position, he can shoot the three and he drives the ball. He has the size and body to start for us. He isn't a perfect SG, but he can fill the hole at part of the mid level exception.
Swift is a player I really like. He is one of the most athletic centers in the league, and he can score the ball as well. He would be able to defend the athletic bigs such as Amare which the Mavs lacked after giving up Diop.
Shawn Marion might want to be the star of a team, but he loved playing for Kidd and he knows he will get the ball in good positions on the floor from Kidd. He would be the number 2 guy with Dirk, and he would still be able to average 20 points a game. He knows how to play with Kidd, the running style offense is the type he is good in.
Adding these players makes this offense more athletic, fast, and quick. These players thrive by running down the court on fast break, which Kidd is more than capable of setting them up.
Lineup:
PG- Kidd/ Lue/ Barea
SG- Pietrus/Terry/ Wright
SF- Marion/Stackhouse
PF- Dirk/Bass
C- Dampier/ Swift
6th man- Terry
What do yo think?
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We don't have
any trading pieces they would take..
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:24 PM CDT
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I'll admit
i’m not entirely sure how the NBA works with salary, money matching, poison pill contracts, all that crap…but, Howard won’t fetch Redd?
But, if not Redd, i think the Mavs need to do something to get one of either Maggette, Artest, or Arenas. I would love for it to be Maggette. And for the heck of it, he’s a good defender, sign Royal Ivey, :).
just got ownaged
by Longhorn on
May 4, 2008 10:29 PM CDT
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Redd
makes 14 million and Howard makes 9. The only contract we have around 5 million to match is Stackhouse and he makes 7 million.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:45 PM CDT
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so
stack and howard, i believe i read that somewhere else recently…
just got ownaged
by Longhorn on
May 4, 2008 10:46 PM CDT
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Yup
It’d work under the cap.
They have to be within 125% of each other.
"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon
by thedirkatron on
May 4, 2008 11:02 PM CDT
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Trade
Howard, Kidd and Bass for Redd and Bogut. Milwaukee instantly becomes a playoff team and gets to pair Kidd with Yi in the East (and gets the expiring contract). Dallas gets a great scorer to pair with Dirk and an inside presence.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on
May 5, 2008 12:08 AM CDT
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Hadn't thought of that angle
good point.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on
May 5, 2008 12:19 AM CDT
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It's a gift.
Seriously though—why would they trade their best player and an effective young center that they just locked up for a proven second/third banana, a PG that would be useless to them, and a nice 7-8th man?
The only benefit is Kidd’s expiring deal. Howard only works for them if they have Bogut, in my opinion.
by brettgardner on
May 5, 2008 12:23 AM CDT
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Well
it wouldn’t work from a salary perspective for one. And he’s right that it would make zero sense for Milwaukee to deal Bogut at this point.
If you did your deal, plus added Stack from our side and agreed to take Bobby Simmons and Mo Williams and their awful contracts back in return it would work financially, and maybe Milwaukee would think about since it’d save them like a billion dollars… but even then I highly, highly doubt it.
"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon
by thedirkatron on
May 5, 2008 12:23 AM CDT
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I would be
Furious if Dallas took Mo Williams back in a deal. That is such an awful contract.
Simmons, Mason and Charlie V are the guys I target in any Mil deal. Redd’s just not worth it for us.
by brettgardner on
May 5, 2008 12:27 AM CDT
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I'm retarded
I meant to have Williams in there, too – FWIW.
by Jack Nicholson 1974 on
May 5, 2008 12:38 AM CDT
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Marion
He doesn’t seem like he’s going to have a whole lot of top years left.
Seems like you’d have to commit 5-6 years to get him, and he’s got only a couple seasons left in the tank at a high level.
by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 10:25 PM CDT 0 recs
Would
another team offer him 5 years?
What if we could get him for 4 years, would you do that?
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:29 PM CDT
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I dunno
You’d have to give up more than Howard, though, for the contracts to match up.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 10:32 PM CDT
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How much
is Marion going to get?
Howard is 9 mill
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:46 PM CDT
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He's going to ask for a max deal
He’ll never get it (I thought that about Rashard Lewis too), but that’s what he will be asking for.
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by Wes Cox on
May 4, 2008 10:55 PM CDT
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Interesting..
So like a Howard+Stack+Jones
two expiring contracts.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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Two expiring contracts?
Jones is the only expiring contract. Don’t know where you are getting a 2nd one from.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:00 PM CDT
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As in
next year is their final year.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:05 PM CDT
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No
Neither Howard nor Stack will be in their final year in 2008-09.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:06 PM CDT
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I know Howard
isn’t.
Stacks final year is next year, correct?
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:09 PM CDT
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Wow,
what dumbass gave him that contract? Did he just sign an extension this past year?
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:11 PM CDT
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I thought the '09/'10
was an option year? Swear I read that somewhere, though it might have been a lie.
Hoopshype.com is usually pretty good about such things, and they don’t have any information on his contract at all beyond this year.
"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon
by thedirkatron on
May 4, 2008 11:17 PM CDT
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He's
Signed, but in the third year, only 2 mill is guaranteed.
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:19 PM CDT
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Then
maybe Dallas can include “cash considerations” of 2 million?
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:20 PM CDT
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Yah
Plus he’d probably be bought out anyways and go elsewhere in search of a title shot. Heck, maybe he’d come back here… if he can keep his mouth shut long enough for a trade to actually go through this time.
"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon
by thedirkatron on
May 4, 2008 11:28 PM CDT
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At this point
Stack has more value to us as a coach than as a player.
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
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Cuban signed Stack?
i thought he was traded to Dallas…
just got ownaged
by Longhorn on
May 4, 2008 11:18 PM CDT
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Then
we extended him.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:19 PM CDT
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If my
NBA CBA memory is correct, neither Marion nor Jones can be traded because they are in the last non-exercisable year of their contracts, at least not in conjunction with other players, and at least not unless they don’t exercise their ETO.
Remarking on it, though, I can’t see why either would. Carry on.
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:16 PM CDT
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I don' think
you could get Marion for Howard straight up. I’d like to add recalling Reyshawn Terry from Europe to that list as well.
by sprite on May 4, 2008 10:38 PM CDT 0 recs
Yeah,
I love Reyshawn, he is a real beast.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:43 PM CDT
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If I were Mavs GM
the team would be in big trouble because I know nothing about Basketball.
...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on May 4, 2008 10:43 PM CDT 0 recs
That's funny shit
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 10:46 PM CDT
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Miles...
That lineup gets you a 7/8 seed at best in the West, and could very easily miss the playoffs altogether.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 10:47 PM CDT 0 recs
Huh?
Coming from a Celtics fan, I don’t know what to make of that comment.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:51 PM CDT
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I don't see
your reasoning…
Marion would be a huge upgrade over Howard.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:55 PM CDT
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You have Dirk...
Marion, an aging point guard (in decline), and some non-factors. What’s not to get.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 10:57 PM CDT
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Well...
Pietrus brings an athletic shooting guard that can score, no doubt that team would be alot better than this years team.
Plus, Kiss would finnaly understand the offense and have time to adjust.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 10:59 PM CDT
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Not really
You’re adding a 30 year old wing player who relies on his athleticism.
Those guys don’t age well. I doubt he’d be a whole hell of a lot better than Howard was this season.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 10:59 PM CDT
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Playoffs.
Howard F’ed us over with his jump shooting. He is a terrible jump shooter yet he throws those things up that rarely ever go in..
He shot like 20 percent? I think Marion could atleast double that…
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:06 PM CDT
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Well...
In that case, you could just keep Howard. I’m betting he’d shoot at least 40% in the playoffs next season, if the Mavs made the playoffs.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:07 PM CDT
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I'd rather
have three shooting ability of Marion, and he plays with Kidd alot better. Marion actually knows the reasoning in driving the ball.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:10 PM CDT
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If I were the Mavs g.m.
I’d probably just blow it up. I don’t see a combination of moves you could make right now that would make this team a legit championship contender next year.
by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:09 PM CDT 0 recs
I see
one more shot at it.
Kidd will have had adjusted.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:10 PM CDT
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Adjusted to what?
He’s going to be a year older and a year slower.
Other than Bass, and maybe Howard, there’s no one on this team that you can’t reasonably expect to get worse next year.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:12 PM CDT
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Adjusted to Avery's offense silly.
Oh…
I see what you did there.
by LiamP on
May 4, 2008 11:23 PM CDT
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i don't agree that
aging 5-6 months will make a player worse….
just got ownaged
by Longhorn on
May 4, 2008 11:27 PM CDT
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Few Hall of Famers in any sport...
have to have an ‘adjustment period.’ that’s why they’re hall-of-famers. high IQ and talent.
by Apes and Androids on
May 4, 2008 11:36 PM CDT
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That
is so untrue it isn’t even funny..
Whenever you have new teammates, you have to adjust. Especially when you are running the offense and team.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:38 PM CDT
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Dude
Kidd will be 36 next season. He’s old. He isn’t all that anymore.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:41 PM CDT
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I'm not
saying he isn’t old.
But everyone has to adjust to a new team, even HOF’ers.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:42 PM CDT
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What would I do?
Trade: Howard and Stack to Milwaukee for Michael Redd.
It gets us a great shooter and scorer to take some of the pressure off of Dirk, and it gets them younger while providing some pretty significant cap relief.
Trade: Jason Terry and some salary filler to Utah for Andrie Kirilenko.
Utah (and presumably Sloan) has always had a thing for Terry, dating back to when they tried to sign him away from Atlanta. He’d fill the role Derek Fisher filled so well for them last year. They’d also clear some salary in the deal, and rid themselves of Link, who doesn’t fit at SF in their system and who doesn’t get along with their coach. It gets us a great defensive wing who can run the floor and block shots. Also it rids me of having to watch Jason Terry.
Sign: Use the mid-level to grab a veteran banger (Theo Ratliff, maybe? I don’t know who’s available) and a spot-up shooter/defender/Raja Bell-type wing player.
"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon
by thedirkatron on May 4, 2008 11:12 PM CDT 0 recs
If you want
a Sharpshooter, why not trade for Mike Miller?
Giving up Howard for a good three point shooter seems pretty pointless.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:14 PM CDT
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Here's the problem
I don’t think either Milwaukee or Utah does that deal.
I think, if the Jazz want to deal AK-47, they can get something better than an old, undersized, jump-shooting 2 guard for him.
Josh Howard is 8 months younger than Redd. And i don’t see how that deal helps the Bucks’ salary situation.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:15 PM CDT
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Plus
They already addressed their perimeter shooting with Korver.
Also, AK is a really good player and a starter. No reason to trade that in order to get a 6th man with a longer contract.
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:22 PM CDT
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He's not that good...
and has really fallen out of favor with the organization, coaches, and the fans here. I think he is dealt this summer. Just not sure where.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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He may be dealt...
...but he’ll fetch more than Jason Terry and his bloated contract.
by Adam J. Morris on
May 4, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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Agree to disagree...
I’ve watched a lot of Jazz basketball living here and I don’t think he’s good at all.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
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How can you
say that?
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT
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x
for the season, 38 percent from threes and 50 percent from FG is pretty good.
1.5 blocks per game as well.
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:31 PM CDT
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Because he will...
have a good game or 2, get you some blocks, boards, and play good D and then just disapear for a week at a time. Plus the guy thinks (and has said so) that he’s a scorer and wants to shoot shots that he has no buisness taking. He is a bad offensive player who thinks he is good. Not a good combo.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 11:32 PM CDT
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I realize that
And I’m sure you’ve watched many more games than I have, but I have seen a significant amount of them.
Is he as highly thought-of as he was a few years ago? Of course not.
Is he very good defensively and erratic offensively? Yep.
He’d fit in nicely here, but only if we significantly improved the offense.
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:32 PM CDT
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I'm sure you know...
what your talking about, and I agree with your assessment of him. Not saying I know more about him just because I live here.
Just saying I’ve seen him play a lot and think he is very overrated. He wants to be one of he go-to guys on offense, and he shouldn’t be on any good team (ie the Jazz).
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 11:37 PM CDT
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I agree
That he’s overrated and he’s not good offensively, at least not consistently.
Sorry if it came off that I think I know more on the subject than you. I don’t.
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:38 PM CDT
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Utah...
is willing to give up AK to anyone that will take him and his contract. I think they would do that deal for Terry+.
Not sure that helps the Mavs though, if Terry frustrates you, AK would drive you nuts. At least he does to Jazz fans here.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 11:24 PM CDT
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For
A slightly cheaper contract that’s a year longer?
by brettgardner on
May 4, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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He is one
of the best all around players in the league..
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by miles on
May 4, 2008 11:25 PM CDT
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No he's not...
and every Jazz fan here who watches him play everyday will tell you the same thing, sorry.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
May 4, 2008 11:28 PM CDT
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Then
Jazz fans are dumb, last year in the playoffs he fell off the wagon. But he rebounded and is doing good this year.
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