If I were Mavs GM....

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:12 PM CDT

First and foremost..

Resign:

Antione Wright

Tyronne Lue

JJ Barea

Sign(mid level exception):

Mickael Pietrus

Stromile Swift

Trade:

Josh Howard for Shawn Marion(Sign and Trade)

Explanation:

Pietrus brings us what we need from the shooting guard position, he can shoot the three and he drives the ball. He has the size and body to start for us. He isn't a perfect SG, but he can fill the hole at part of the mid level exception.

Swift is a player I really like. He is one of the most athletic centers in the league, and he can score the ball as well. He would be able to defend the athletic bigs such as Amare which the Mavs lacked after giving up Diop.

Shawn Marion might want to be the star of a team, but he loved playing for Kidd and he knows he will get the ball in good positions on the floor from Kidd. He would be the number 2 guy with Dirk, and he would still be able to average 20 points a game. He knows how to play with Kidd, the running style offense is the type he is good in.

Adding these players makes this offense more athletic, fast, and quick. These players thrive by running down the court on fast break, which Kidd is more than capable of setting them up.

Lineup:

PG- Kidd/ Lue/ Barea

SG- Pietrus/Terry/ Wright

SF- Marion/Stackhouse

PF- Dirk/Bass

C- Dampier/ Swift

6th man- Terry

What do yo think?

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i like Michael Redd

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on May 4, 2008 10:18 PM CDT 0 recs

Me too.

Too bad we cant get him.

by coolaid on May 4, 2008 10:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

We don't have

any trading pieces they would take..

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'll admit

i’m not entirely sure how the NBA works with salary, money matching, poison pill contracts, all that crap…but, Howard won’t fetch Redd?

But, if not Redd, i think the Mavs need to do something to get one of either Maggette, Artest, or Arenas. I would love for it to be Maggette. And for the heck of it, he’s a good defender, sign Royal Ivey, :).

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on May 4, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Redd

makes 14 million and Howard makes 9. The only contract we have around 5 million to match is Stackhouse and he makes 7 million.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up 0 recs

so

stack and howard, i believe i read that somewhere else recently…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on May 4, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yup

It’d work under the cap.

They have to be within 125% of each other.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 4, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up 0 recs

Trade

Howard, Kidd and Bass for Redd and Bogut. Milwaukee instantly becomes a playoff team and gets to pair Kidd with Yi in the East (and gets the expiring contract). Dallas gets a great scorer to pair with Dirk and an inside presence.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on May 5, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up 0 recs

Sorry

But that would never, ever happen.

by brettgardner on May 5, 2008 12:09 AM CDT up 0 recs

Hadn't thought of that angle

good point.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on May 5, 2008 12:19 AM CDT up 0 recs

It's a gift.

Seriously though—why would they trade their best player and an effective young center that they just locked up for a proven second/third banana, a PG that would be useless to them, and a nice 7-8th man?

The only benefit is Kidd’s expiring deal. Howard only works for them if they have Bogut, in my opinion.

by brettgardner on May 5, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

Well

it wouldn’t work from a salary perspective for one. And he’s right that it would make zero sense for Milwaukee to deal Bogut at this point.

If you did your deal, plus added Stack from our side and agreed to take Bobby Simmons and Mo Williams and their awful contracts back in return it would work financially, and maybe Milwaukee would think about since it’d save them like a billion dollars… but even then I highly, highly doubt it.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 5, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up 0 recs

I would be

Furious if Dallas took Mo Williams back in a deal. That is such an awful contract.

Simmons, Mason and Charlie V are the guys I target in any Mil deal. Redd’s just not worth it for us.

by brettgardner on May 5, 2008 12:27 AM CDT up 0 recs

I'm retarded

I meant to have Williams in there, too – FWIW.

by Jack Nicholson 1974 on May 5, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up 0 recs

Marion

He doesn’t seem like he’s going to have a whole lot of top years left.

Seems like you’d have to commit 5-6 years to get him, and he’s got only a couple seasons left in the tank at a high level.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 10:25 PM CDT 0 recs

Would

another team offer him 5 years?

What if we could get him for 4 years, would you do that?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

I dunno

You’d have to give up more than Howard, though, for the contracts to match up.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 10:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

How much

is Marion going to get?

Howard is 9 mill

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

He's going to ask for a max deal

He’ll never get it (I thought that about Rashard Lewis too), but that’s what he will be asking for.

www.mavsmoneyball.com

by Wes Cox on May 4, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

Interesting..

So like a Howard+Stack+Jones

two expiring contracts.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

Two expiring contracts?

Jones is the only expiring contract. Don’t know where you are getting a 2nd one from.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:00 PM CDT up 0 recs

As in

next year is their final year.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:05 PM CDT up 0 recs

No

Neither Howard nor Stack will be in their final year in 2008-09.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

I know Howard

isn’t.

Stacks final year is next year, correct?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

No

He is signed through 2009-10.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:09 PM CDT up 0 recs

Wow,

what dumbass gave him that contract? Did he just sign an extension this past year?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:11 PM CDT up 0 recs

x

what dumbass gave him that contract?

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

I thought the '09/'10

was an option year? Swear I read that somewhere, though it might have been a lie.

Hoopshype.com is usually pretty good about such things, and they don’t have any information on his contract at all beyond this year.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 4, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up 0 recs

He's

Signed, but in the third year, only 2 mill is guaranteed.

by brettgardner on May 4, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

Then

maybe Dallas can include “cash considerations” of 2 million?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:20 PM CDT up 0 recs

Yah

Plus he’d probably be bought out anyways and go elsewhere in search of a title shot. Heck, maybe he’d come back here… if he can keep his mouth shut long enough for a trade to actually go through this time.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 4, 2008 11:28 PM CDT up 0 recs

At this point

Stack has more value to us as a coach than as a player.

by brettgardner on May 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

Cuban signed Stack?

i thought he was traded to Dallas…

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on May 4, 2008 11:18 PM CDT up 0 recs

Then

we extended him.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up 0 recs

If my

NBA CBA memory is correct, neither Marion nor Jones can be traded because they are in the last non-exercisable year of their contracts, at least not in conjunction with other players, and at least not unless they don’t exercise their ETO.

Remarking on it, though, I can’t see why either would. Carry on.

by brettgardner on May 4, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don' think

you could get Marion for Howard straight up. I’d like to add recalling Reyshawn Terry from Europe to that list as well.

Addicted to Sports

by sprite on May 4, 2008 10:38 PM CDT 0 recs

Yeah,

I love Reyshawn, he is a real beast.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:43 PM CDT up 0 recs

If I were Mavs GM

the team would be in big trouble because I know nothing about Basketball.

...and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on May 4, 2008 10:43 PM CDT 0 recs

That's funny shit

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up 0 recs

Miles...

That lineup gets you a 7/8 seed at best in the West, and could very easily miss the playoffs altogether.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 10:47 PM CDT 0 recs

Huh?

Coming from a Celtics fan, I don’t know what to make of that comment.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up 0 recs

I don't see

your reasoning…

Marion would be a huge upgrade over Howard.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up 0 recs

You have Dirk...

Marion, an aging point guard (in decline), and some non-factors. What’s not to get.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well...

Pietrus brings an athletic shooting guard that can score, no doubt that team would be alot better than this years team.

Plus, Kiss would finnaly understand the offense and have time to adjust.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

Not really

You’re adding a 30 year old wing player who relies on his athleticism.

Those guys don’t age well. I doubt he’d be a whole hell of a lot better than Howard was this season.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up 0 recs

Playoffs.

Howard F’ed us over with his jump shooting. He is a terrible jump shooter yet he throws those things up that rarely ever go in..

He shot like 20 percent? I think Marion could atleast double that…

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:06 PM CDT up 0 recs

Well...

In that case, you could just keep Howard. I’m betting he’d shoot at least 40% in the playoffs next season, if the Mavs made the playoffs.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:07 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'd rather

have three shooting ability of Marion, and he plays with Kidd alot better. Marion actually knows the reasoning in driving the ball.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

If I were the Mavs g.m.

I’d probably just blow it up. I don’t see a combination of moves you could make right now that would make this team a legit championship contender next year.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:09 PM CDT 0 recs

I see

one more shot at it.

Kidd will have had adjusted.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up 0 recs

Adjusted to what?

He’s going to be a year older and a year slower.

Other than Bass, and maybe Howard, there’s no one on this team that you can’t reasonably expect to get worse next year.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:12 PM CDT up 0 recs

Adjusted to Avery's offense silly.

Oh…

I see what you did there.

by LiamP on May 4, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up 0 recs

Who's Avery?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:24 PM CDT up 0 recs

i don't agree that

aging 5-6 months will make a player worse….

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on May 4, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up 0 recs

Few Hall of Famers in any sport...

have to have an ‘adjustment period.’ that’s why they’re hall-of-famers. high IQ and talent.

by Apes and Androids on May 4, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up 0 recs

That

is so untrue it isn’t even funny..

Whenever you have new teammates, you have to adjust. Especially when you are running the offense and team.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up 0 recs

Dude

Kidd will be 36 next season. He’s old. He isn’t all that anymore.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:41 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm not

saying he isn’t old.

But everyone has to adjust to a new team, even HOF’ers.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up 0 recs

What would I do?

Trade: Howard and Stack to Milwaukee for Michael Redd.

It gets us a great shooter and scorer to take some of the pressure off of Dirk, and it gets them younger while providing some pretty significant cap relief.

Trade: Jason Terry and some salary filler to Utah for Andrie Kirilenko.

Utah (and presumably Sloan) has always had a thing for Terry, dating back to when they tried to sign him away from Atlanta. He’d fill the role Derek Fisher filled so well for them last year. They’d also clear some salary in the deal, and rid themselves of Link, who doesn’t fit at SF in their system and who doesn’t get along with their coach. It gets us a great defensive wing who can run the floor and block shots. Also it rids me of having to watch Jason Terry.

Sign: Use the mid-level to grab a veteran banger (Theo Ratliff, maybe? I don’t know who’s available) and a spot-up shooter/defender/Raja Bell-type wing player.

"If we where [sic] gonna trade them Salty, I would want a helluva lot more than just Joba though." -lonestarJon

by thedirkatron on May 4, 2008 11:12 PM CDT 0 recs

If you want

a Sharpshooter, why not trade for Mike Miller?

Giving up Howard for a good three point shooter seems pretty pointless.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up 0 recs

Here's the problem

I don’t think either Milwaukee or Utah does that deal.

I think, if the Jazz want to deal AK-47, they can get something better than an old, undersized, jump-shooting 2 guard for him.

Josh Howard is 8 months younger than Redd. And i don’t see how that deal helps the Bucks’ salary situation.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:15 PM CDT up 0 recs

Plus

They already addressed their perimeter shooting with Korver.

Also, AK is a really good player and a starter. No reason to trade that in order to get a 6th man with a longer contract.

by brettgardner on May 4, 2008 11:22 PM CDT up 0 recs

He's not that good...

and has really fallen out of favor with the organization, coaches, and the fans here. I think he is dealt this summer. Just not sure where.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

He may be dealt...

...but he’ll fetch more than Jason Terry and his bloated contract.

by Adam J. Morris on May 4, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up 0 recs

He

Is that good, just not as a go-to threat.

by brettgardner on May 4, 2008 11:26 PM CDT up 0 recs

Agree to disagree...

I’ve watched a lot of Jazz basketball living here and I don’t think he’s good at all.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

How can you

say that?

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up 0 recs

x

for the season, 38 percent from threes and 50 percent from FG is pretty good.

1.5 blocks per game as well.

Say your sorry to Ron Washington

by miles on May 4, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

that's pretty good

just got ownaged

by Longhorn on May 4, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up 0 recs

Because he will...

have a good game or 2, get you some blocks, boards, and play good D and then just disapear for a week at a time. Plus the guy thinks (and has said so) that he’s a scorer and wants to shoot shots that he has no buisness taking. He is a bad offensive player who thinks he is good. Not a good combo.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

I realize that

And I’m sure you’ve watched many more games than I have, but I have seen a significant amount of them.

Is he as highly thought-of as he was a few years ago? Of course not.

Is he very good defensively and erratic offensively? Yep.

He’d fit in nicely here, but only if we significantly improved the offense.

by brettgardner on May 4, 2008 11:32 PM CDT up 0 recs

I'm sure you know...

what your talking about, and I agree with your assessment of him. Not saying I know more about him just because I live here.

Just saying I’ve seen him play a lot and think he is very overrated. He wants to be one of he go-to guys on offense, and he shouldn’t be on any good team (ie the Jazz).

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on May 4, 2008 11:37 PM CDT up 0 recs