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I spend a fair amount of time on here defending Ron Washington.  Not because I think he's a particularly good manager -- I am starting to think that he might be a hell of a third base coach who is an example of the Peter Principle at work -- but because I think that a lot of the complaints leveled against him are overblown or misguided.  And also because I think that the impact of a manager on game situations is somewhat overblown, while the impact of a manager in terms of his managing people skills is underrated.

However, I do think Washington is not a real good in-game manager.  And his actions today -- specifically, his handling of the top of the 7th -- are an example of why.

First of all...I don't get pulling Scott Feldman.  Feldman had a shaky 5th inning, but he was solid in the 6th and was only at 85 pitches, and had a 3 run lead.  Yes, he's a converted reliever...but before today, he'd thrown at least 87 pitches in every one of his starts.  It was a hot day, and it is possible Feldman could have told the manager he was gassed...but if not, I'd have stuck with Feldman, at least to face Ellis.

Why Ellis?  Because Ellis is a righty, and after him, you had Travis Buck, Carlos Gonzalez, and Daric Barton -- all lefties -- due up.  Ideally, you leave Feldman in to face Ellis, then go get Eddie Guardado to face the three lefties. 

Now, Guardado had pitched the previous two days, so it is certainly possible that Guardado wasn't available, although he only threw 7 pitches yesterday. 

If that's the case, and you are committed to making a move and Guardado isn't available, then you probably are going to go get Jamey Wright.  He's your 7th inning guy, he's been effective against lefties this season (although he's walked more of them than you'd like), and really, he's been one of your best relievers this season. 

However...Wright was terrible today.  And this is the problem that you run into when you go the LaRussian route of making a ton of pitching changes.  The more changes you make, the more likely it is you are going to put a guy into the game who has nothing on this particular day.  And by the time you figure that out, you can be in a heap of trouble.

Which is what happened today.  Rather than stick with Feldman, who wasn't great today but was good enough, Washington pulled his effective starter to go with (as it turned out) the godawful Wright.

Wright threw 20 pitches, only 8 for strikes, got no one out, and ended up getting yanked after having allowed 1 run and leaving the bases loaded. 

This is when it gets bizarre.

Because, see, I understand the thought process behind going to Wright in the 7th.  I don't agree with it, wouldn't have done it, but I can understand why it was done.

But when Wright goes to pieces in the 7th, and you've got a critical situation against a division rival in front of a home crowd that is desperate to see the Rangers pull one out, and you've got the biggest series of ABs in the game coming up...

You bring in Robinson Tejeda? 

A guy who hasn't pitched in the majors since the middle of last year?  And who has been starting in the minors for the past month (his last relief appearance was on April 30), which leads to legitimate questions about whether he'll be able to warm up properly and whether he'll be effective when he's brought in?

You bring in a guy whose career has been derailed by control issues, to pitch with the bases loaded, against a lineup full of guys who are great at working the count?

That's the best you can come up with?

Now...you don't want to bring in your closer in that situation?  Fine.  I understand that.

Bring in Joaquin Benoit, then.  Or bring in Frankie Francisco.  (Actually, Kam Loe would have been a great choice, since he throws strikes and gets ground balls, but we sent him down to make room for Tejeda, so he wasn't really an option).

Bring in, basically, anybody but Tejeda, the guy who was brought in.

Predictably, Tejeda blows up, throws 16 pitches, half of them for balls, walks a guy and gives up a double and a single.

And then, with the game pretty much down the tubes...you bring in Frankie Francisco?

Hell, if Francisco was available to pitch with the team down 4 runs, why don't you bring him in with the bases loaded and none out in the 7th?  If you need someone to come in and get a couple of Ks and a popout, he's the guy.

I mean, I just assumed that Francisco wasn't available, or something, when Washington went to Tejeda in the 7th.  Bringing in Tejeda in the crucial situation, and then bringing in Francisco in garbage time to clean up the mess...

I just don't get it.

 

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Wash

He does many inexplicable things. I’ve given up trying to figure out why he does most of it. I mean like playing Broussard as much as he did, or his ignoring of stats when he makes day to day player decisions.

by JayK on Jun 1, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

huh?

Frankie has 11BB in 17IP this year. Loe has 8BB in 28IP in AAA with a 1.57 WHIP.

Tejeda has 4:1 K to BB with 10 BB in 33IP with a 0.91 WHIP in AAA.

I suppose it was predictable considering the numbers.

And Feldman is not going more than 6. That’s probably an organizational decision.

The pitching sucked, not sure how you can fault Wash here.

by Longhorn on Jun 1, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

you left out benoit

once the runners were on that became the important inning to save. let frankie go out for the 8th with the bases to clear, benoit needed to come in and limit the damage.

big difference between a tie or 1 down and the 6 down it ended up as.

obviously no matter who wash put in there it shouldnt have gone that badly, but his job is to give us the best chance and i dont think he did. and ive been a wash supporter.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Jun 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, sorry

Benoit has 17BB in 24IP.

by Longhorn on Jun 1, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

26 2/3!

point taken, but he still should have come in.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Jun 1, 2008 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

although

2.2 era in may, 5 walks in 16 1/3 innings.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Jun 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

By that logic

one should never fire a manager. If it always comes down to whether the players suck or not, then there’s really no need to have a manager.

Ultimately, it’s the manager’s job to put the players on his roster in the best position to succeed. I agree completely with Adam that RW didn’t do that in today’s game by virtue of pulling Feldman at that point and putting Tejeda in an extremely foreign situation.

Dumb moves by a manager who has consistently made dumb strategy moves all season long … to the tune of probably costing his team at least two wins so far this year.

by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree totally that the pitching sucked dong

and the guys in the pen didn’t do their jobs. That is obvious. However, I think Feldman should’ve come out for the 7th. He had another quality start today and was apparently efficient enough to get through 6 with a low pitch count. I can’t understand why Washington would have pulled him so quickly. I really hope there was a good reason for it, cause otherwise it just looks foolish.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jun 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Feldman

has gone 7 IP once this season and started the 7th inning in another game. Its not like he’s never been past the 6th inning and he has pitched over 100 pitches 3 times this season so he’s also capable of going to the 100 pitch mark.

And Tejeda’s K:BB ratio in OKC this season is questionable. The question I had when he did was was he looking any different in the past. Everyone knows he has some pretty good stuff which could easily fool a lot of AAA hitters. I haven’t seen him pitch a single time in OKC this season, but there was a good chance that the hitters there were just getting fooled by stuff out of the strike zone and swinging at pitches that ML hitters wouldn’t swing at.. Judging by his results today, I definitely think that was the case of what was happening to him in AAA.

by Gdawg on Jun 1, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It comes down to this

If Tejeda, Wright and Fx2 had thrown strikes and let their defense handle it things would have been fine and if they still lose I would be ok with that. Walks are what kills every team and that is what is killing me slowly.

"My death certificate will probably say: 'Cause of Death: World Series.'" Jamey Newberg

by boomer1 on Jun 1, 2008 9:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

You are missing the point

Virtually everyone in the bullpen was fresh, they have not been overworked for a while. (Thursday was an off day and all have been stingy in their pitch counts since.

Wright sucked, that stuff just happens, and Washington pulled him pretty quick.The bases are loaded with no outs, we are still up at least a couple runs, the game is on the line. So who do you bring in.

TEJADA ….... has done pretty well lately as a AAA starter but still had control issues. When he was previously in the AAA bullpen he sucked (really bad).

Do we have a more intelligent pick?

1. Frankie
2. Josh
3. Eddie
4. Beniot
5. Wilson

I am not at all sure what Tejada is doing up here, but it certainly should not be as a reliever, he should not be going in until there is no other choice or we have at least an 8 run lead.

Adam is absolutely right on, game management is the prime reason Wash has problems.

I was there today and it was exasperating.

I know Frankie Frank also sucked but bringing him in made sense. Pulling Feldman with 85 pitched and bringing Tejada can be considered downright questionable.

That is not me in the photo, so relax.

by rldwb on Jun 1, 2008 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Second guessing....

in game pitching moves with so many variables that are completely unknown to fans is pretty weak. I know that’s part of being a fan but this is way over blown. IMO.

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What was unknown to the fans?

If Feldman was that tired, it would have come out already that he couldn’t go out for the 7th. That’s basically the only variable.

by Gdawg on Jun 1, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really?

You really believe that was the only possible variable that Wash was working with there?

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 10:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's the one that certainly mattered most

If Feldman could’ve gone out for the 7th, he should’ve gone back out without question. I agree on AJM’s logic about FX2 being the best choice with the bases loaded and 0 outs, but I have less of a problem about who came out from the pen at whatever time because ALL of these guys should be able to find the plate and, when finding the plate, not find the dead center of it. This game reminded me of the TB-Tor game last year where TB blew a 6 run 9th inning lead because of walks, meatball pitches, and a revolving door from the bullpen.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jun 1, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

its not like its hindsight

it was a strange move the second it occurred, not when it happened to go wrong.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Jun 1, 2008 10:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even I thought it questionable.

No disagreement there. The uproar is still completely overblown.

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 10:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do not agree

with this comment or the one below. The folks on this blog are not stupid and many have experience in some way or manner.

Variables exist, but what would they be in this case when Wash brought Frankie Frank after the game had blown up because of Tejada.

That is not me in the photo, so relax.

by rldwb on Jun 1, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What did I do?

That is not me in the photo, so relax.

by rldwb on Jun 1, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The system

Is punishing you for spelling Tejeda as Tejada?

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jun 1, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who said anyone was stupid?

Even if you’re Connie Mack reborn you couldn’t possibly know what information Wash was or wasn’t working with. All I was saying. No need to assume I think you or anyone else is stupid.

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the game lying on the beach, but...

seeing that Feldman was at 85 pitches after 6, and he doesn’t come out for the 7th…. that blows me the fuck away.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jun 1, 2008 9:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

anyone know his previous pitch counts?

i think i remember him approaching 100 before.

seems like he could have at least gone out there to start the inning as AJM suggested.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Jun 1, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's been over 100 before

Other than this start, and the 87 pitch one, all his other starts in the majors this season have been 90+.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 1, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You guys know

why we lost today? No, not our bullpen.

Its becasue the Roman Empire didn’t play.

by coolaid on Jun 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

May I

interest you in some Morgan Ensberg to fix the problem? I want some.

"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.

by dstar442005 on Jun 1, 2008 9:39 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another "Wash guy" perhaps?

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jun 1, 2008 9:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really

too old and looks like declining already

by JayK on Jun 1, 2008 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but seriously

I think we should consider taking a flier on him to platoon with Vazquez. It would be low risk high potential. He was a very good OBP guy with decent power just a few years back, he’s just 31, and maybe our park can help him out.

"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.

by dstar442005 on Jun 1, 2008 9:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd be okay with that

Splits work to platoon with Vazquez and I think we all know what Metcalf really is.

by robert_d_wilfong on Jun 1, 2008 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Morgan Ensberg = not worth the roster spot

I used to like him when he was the class of NL third basemen in 2005, but the couple years have seen him decline sharply.

His last productive year was in ‘06, when he took 101 walks (a career high) hit 23 HR”s, and although he only hit .235, OPS+’d 120.

Since then though, a he’s hit a grand total of 13 HR’s, and struck out 137 times to 75 walks in 356 AB’s over 2007-08.

This year, in 74 AB’s for the Yankees he’s flat-lining at .203/.263/.243. The Ballpark in Arlington might help that line a little, but it won’t resurrect the dead. No to Ensberg.

A Lonestar in California - 2.0

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by lonestarJon on Jun 2, 2008 4:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder...

Did Feldman having to sit forever in the dugout through a five-run inning that ended with the bases loaded (read: a long inning time-wise) after having thrown six innings and being at 85 pitches have anything to do with why he didn’t go back out for the seventh?

by Inkara1 on Jun 1, 2008 9:53 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

It was hot

I would think that sitting out if the sun, even through 10 hitters, would not be detrimental.

That is not me in the photo, so relax.

by rldwb on Jun 1, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So Adam....

Can I expect a 1200 word post from you when Wash handles the pitchers differently than you would have and it works just fine?

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 10:01 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Not Adam

But would chip in unsolicited to this extent. Wash is not intellectual. Or even smart, Or even modestly intelligent. He is however, highly experienced with “baseball templates”. What you do, when it’s X and Y exists. He possiby figured that it was in hand, Wright’s absence of command was a surprise, and Tejeda needed work. And stopped right there.

OR .. and this to me is more likely. He tells Connor to get on the phone and get somebody up. Connor does, and talks to Chiti “who you got ready fast?” Chiti surverys and Robbie is fresh. That’s who gets up, Connor hangs up the phone, tells Wash “it’s Tejeda, he hasn’t worked since the last phase of the moon” or etc. Wash nods, but is preoccupied by the on the field situation (remember, one thought at a time, no multiprocessing).

You know the rest. His only out for today’s calamity was that he accepted what his pitching coaches gave him, leaving him to take the rap for failure. Now he could have told Connor “get Benoit and Eddie up, now!” but he didn’t.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jun 1, 2008 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

If Wash is as you say, not “even modestly intelligent” then he is not the problem. JD is the man to take the blame if our manager is that inept.

I find it hard to believe that our man from Cornell could be that stupid. I could be wrong of course.

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe, bd

But the hiring decision was made at … dinner, at the Hicks manse.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jun 1, 2008 11:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

amen bro

Washington should be “called out” for his terrible management of this team.

he is holding us back more than pushing us forward.

by clinton33 on Jun 1, 2008 10:05 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

come on dude

we’re .500 in a rebuilding year. He was wrong on this, but he must be doing something right too. Let’s chill.

"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.

by dstar442005 on Jun 1, 2008 10:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or

The players are doing something right regardless of Washington. Ultimately, it comes down to performance on the field and that falls on the players. Managers receive too much blame and way too much credit.

My guess is they directly affect the outcome of +/- 5 games a year.

by jparks77 on Jun 1, 2008 10:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

no love for Wash when the Rangers played well in May but when they lose one he gets the blame.

Wright and Fx2 have been pretty good this year. Not his fault they pitched like shit today. I don’t get Tejeda in that situation, but still is it Wash’s fault that he sucked?

The players play, not the manager. Like you said they affect maybe 5 games a year. This may have been one of them, but this team is still rebuilding with a lot of injuries on the pitching staff and to Hank and the team is playing better ball. Wash can’t win with many LSBers. Rangers win, it’s because of the players. They lose, it’s Wash’s fault.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 1, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well

Ignoring general responsibilities for wins/losses, I think Adam’s point was particularly correct regarding Tejeda. No, it’s not Wash’s fault that he sucked today, but it is his fault for putting him into a bad situation. It’s probably the tensest situation possible for a guy who hasn’t been in the majors at all this year and was sent down because of his awful command.

Maybe managers can’t do much, but they sure as hell can put guys into situations most conducive to success. In fact, that might be the only thing they do to contribute, so when a guy doesn’t do that, I think criticism is warranted. I’ve never had anything against Wash, and I think he’s been decent, but today was just bad. No trends, stats or forecasts necessary. Today sucked, and he’s part of the reason why.

by brettgardner on Jun 1, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

no argument from me on that. I didn’t agree with him putting in Tejeda in that situation either. I’m a so called “Wash Lover” to some I guess, but that was a stupid move.

Just feel like there should be as many “Wright/Fx2/Tejeda sucks” comments as “fire Wash” comments, that’s all. They sucked today, as did Wash’s decision to go with Tejeda or not stick with Feldman if he was ok.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 2, 2008 12:10 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would say

That the reason is probably a perceived track record of dumb in-game moves throughout his time here. For the most part, those pitchers you mentioned have been what they are—no more, no less, so it’s a bit more difficult to say that they “suck”, even in the relative sense, because they cannot suddenly become better pitchers nor control the situation they’re put in. Washington can control the latter, and he’s got to figure out how best to use his players, even if they’re not the best in the league at their position.

by brettgardner on Jun 2, 2008 12:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash still needs to be fired.

Wash is not th ereason we are winning. I think this team has alot more talent than is being given.I believe they are winning despite Wash. Ask yourself this. If the Rangers some how made the playoffs ths year, would you trust him to outmanage the other manager? I for one would not. He has made to many questionable moves.I say we cut our losses now and go with a young kid like Walbeck who has been the manager of the year in the minor leagues.

by Ranger Capt on Jun 1, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

did

you think we were this good before the season started?? If so, I didn’t hear from you. This is a “step forward” year that could turn out to be pretty fun.

“Cut our losses now…” Are you kidding me? Have you seen us play baseball the last month? We’ve been the greatest. If we stink it up this month, I sort of understand, but you can’t say that right now.

"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.

by dstar442005 on Jun 1, 2008 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes I did.

I thought we had a pretyy solid lineup, and the pitching has suprised. I blame ALOT of our early losses on Wash. We looked terrible on fundamentals, and that falls on Wash not having his players ready. He makes terrible in game decisions. This team with the talent they have would probably have a better record than they do now. Yes I have not missed a game yet.

by Ranger Capt on Jun 1, 2008 10:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

in that case

Wash deserves credit for the wins too.

As for our talent….. we are exceeding our Expected W/L Record…... sooooo take from that what you will.

"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.

by dstar442005 on Jun 1, 2008 10:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Come on.....

Losing = Wash
Winning = Players

Please.

by bdavison94 on Jun 1, 2008 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No joke...

where were all these people before the season when we were asking what you thought the Rangers would do this year?

I believe most of the optimistic fans had this team at .500. Really this team is overachieving this year compared to what many of us thought they would be doing. People who thought the Rangers were going to contend in the AL West this year haven’t been watching Rangers baesball the last 8 years. They are the same people that say the “lineup sucks” before every game and then get pissed at the manager and blame him for a loss.

This is a .500 team. There is nothing wrong with that given the players they have right now. The Rangers are rebuilding and help is on the way. Try and be a little realistic with your expectations people.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 1, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know who that's directed at

but I certainly didn’t have unrealistic expectations coming into the season. I just think there should never be a situation over the course of a manager’s tenure, like the one we saw today.

Totally brainless.

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 2, 2008 1:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

I’m still waiting for a reasonable explanation on the Tejeda decision. It may be so esoteric that only Wash and SLC “get it”. But inquirying minds would like to know :)

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by LAMuscleFag on Jun 2, 2008 9:03 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 2, 2008 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He is paid to make good decisions

in response to bdavison94 …. ...Adam is right on …..... You manage to win and make decisions accordingly.

The lack of management abililty comes out, strong and clear, far too often. What an absolutely terrible game to have to endure.

That is not me in the photo, so relax.

by rldwb on Jun 1, 2008 10:10 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

well put adam.

he has shown bad game management a lot. I don’t really think he’s in any position to get fired right now… but he makes some pretty counter intuitive moves sometimes.

Washington is a 30 in lineup and bullpen management.

"that suzuki guy should go back to making cars" - My girlfriend after C.J.'s close in game 2

by tdi1985 on Jun 1, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know why you guys are getting on Wash

Every pitcher we ran out sucked all-holy dick.

When everybody sucks, it does not matter who you put in or when.

by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 1, 2008 10:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

that doesnt make his decisions right

although i will say i am generally still pro wash and find him to be a pretty decent bullpen manager and dont mind most of what hes done.

but tonight i definitely believe he hurt the rangers chances.

Gerald Laird is my hero.

by DSheppard on Jun 1, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 1, 2008 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree.

It does matter…

Do you think it matters to Robinson Tejeda that he was put in a terrible circumstance after being brought up and not even having any work as a RP?

Do you think it matters to the team that sees washington go to a guy that has proven time after times he can’t get it done after they busted their rear to get the lead back.

it does matter.

by clinton33 on Jun 1, 2008 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep it does matter... normally...

but… none of these guys were even close to finding the proper parts of the zone. Walks, lunar shots, line drives… all of the relievers ate shit today, so does it really matter who came in when? You think FX2, etc would’ve been magically better if they came in when Tejeda did?

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jun 1, 2008 10:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

i would like to know

which manager everyone would want where he would do everything so perfectly that no 2nd guessing will ever occur. 1-800-pick-a-manager?

by Longhorn on Jun 1, 2008 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

there will always be 2nd guessing...

but Washington goes against standard management thought and gets burned way too much.

Its not even 2nd guessing on this one….I knew it was the wrong move the 2nd I saw Tejeda warming up, along with the majority of this board.

by clinton33 on Jun 1, 2008 10:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Francona

"Then, like a**holes, they took it back." -Jeff of Lookout Landing after Hamilton's 9th inning HR on April 1st.

by dstar442005 on Jun 1, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

I’d put big money down that Tejeda would of been Francona’s last choice in that situation.

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by LAMuscleFag on Jun 1, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Wash doesn’t seem to have any ability to see the huge “BAD IDEA” sign that starts flashing when he does things like bringing in Tejeda. This reminded me a lot of bringing Marlon Byrd in to pinch hit for Vasquez with the game on the line the other day against the Twins. Doesn’t it make sense to let a guy fresh off rehab or just called up from AAA dip his toe in a little? Is it a good idea to throw a guy with confidence/concentration issues into the fire immediately? I think that BAD IDEA sign has gone off about 5 times this year and 4 of them resulted in loses. BTW i thought going to Wright was ok.. Tejeda was the bonehead move.

- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle

by jcAustin on Jun 1, 2008 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Another point about going with Byrd that day

We had to stay out of the double play there and you bring in Byrd fresh off the DL with a leg injury.

by Ranger Capt on Jun 1, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I missed the game

but an excellent post, Adam. I cannot fucking believe that this happened like that. What a way to throw away a game we had won. One step back follows one step forward: rinse and repeat.

This is pretty much indefensible from every angle and reinforces those who are skeptical of Washington’s in-game strategy competence.

This would have been my reaction had I been watching:

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 1, 2008 10:28 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

That thing

It creeps me out.

I can’t go to sleep at night now, because I’m afraid I’ll look up and see that in the doorway to my room.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 1, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is just disturbing.

Please stop before I look at fruit in a totally different way.

There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.

by SarasotaRanger on Jun 1, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tejeda

Should have no part in close games. Wasn’t he brought up to be the long man, anyway?

by chrisR on Jun 1, 2008 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hey Wash lovers...

explain this one!? They seem to have gone in hiding.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Jun 1, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

baffled

my opinion is that at any point from the 7th inning on, if you recognized the game is on the line, you bring in your best reliever. why they HAVE to be saved for the 8th and 9th is beyond me.

by SteveP on Jun 1, 2008 11:06 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

+ 1

Francona brings in Papelbon in non-save situations earlier in the game. The point is to hold on to the lead and extinguish the fire. If you don’t do it in the 7th it may cost you the game – like today. But of course Wash, the anti-Francona, brings in the worst possible choice.

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Jun 1, 2008 11:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wash should have

Either keep Feldman in the game or stick FX2 in the game after Wright fails. Tejeda should have never been an option until after the A’s scored 13 runs. Now if the Rangers didn’t have FX2 available to try and stop the bleeding, I understand bringing CJ in. This is also assuming Benoit wasn’t available today. Francisco has been very good this year and is as reliable as a non-closer can be. Now if he goes out and pitches like he did today, it becomes a moot point at that time and the game is too out of hand to stick CJ in there. By some miracle, if you do get a lead again, you want to have CJ there to protect it.

by Gdawg on Jun 1, 2008 11:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thinking on it a bit further

thank god Franklyn German wasn’t available.

Tonight’s ship would still be sinking.

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 1, 2008 11:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha + 1

Well then we’d have to throw his fat ass overboard to right the ship. Might as well throw Wash too while we’re at it

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Jun 1, 2008 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Heh, still

Sir Sid could Ponsink us at any time.

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 1, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

a string of retarded decisions

taking out feldman was borderline stupid

not bringing in EVERYDAY eddie to face the lefties was baffling.

and then bringing in tejeda over frankie or benoit was even more baffling.

i dont think there is a manager in the league that would combined 3 mistakes like that back to back.

by kumizi on Jun 2, 2008 2:17 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone probably expects a big rant on this subject from me

But I can see that one is not needed, because pretty much everyone with any cognitave power can clearly see the outright stupidity of Wash’s latest debacle.

Ed Coffin nails it above (as per usual) when he said “Wash is not intellectual. Or even smart, Or even modestly intelligent.” That is right on, and what I’ve been thinking and insinuating for months – the man makes a stellar coach, but he is in over his head as a manager. And that is why he should be canned posthaste, and Matt Walbeck installed in his place.

A Lonestar in California - 2.0

"I LOVE to fart" - Bert Blyleven

by lonestarJon on Jun 2, 2008 4:28 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Well I put a lot of stock in what Ed says...

and if he says Wash is “not intellectual, smart or even modestly intelligent” what does that leave?
Does that mean that our manager is dumb or can I candy coat it and say modestly dumb?

The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT

http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893

by LAMuscleFag on Jun 2, 2008 9:11 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I’ve posted this before on here and Ed said that it isn’t even updated, LOL.

http://tinyurl.com/692fzz

"Chase. Dominguez is not really your liking" - Mr Santos

by Chase Irwin on Jun 2, 2008 3:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Washington manages with his gut...

instead of his brain, but when you do that more times than not you will be going in a direction against statistics and trends (much like poker)

The problem is that if your going against the odds and natrual train of thought, you are setting yourself up to be 2nd guessed.

I don’t think many on here would have said a word about Wash if FX2 would have been brought in after Wright and got shelled.

by clinton33 on Jun 2, 2008 7:49 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'd like to play you at poker.

I don't know Karate...but I know Karazy!

by Clueless on Jun 2, 2008 3:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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