Trade for Sabathia?
by rchawk12 on Jun 15, 2008 4:53 PM CDT
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the question is would you? If you can do a deal similar to the johan deal where its a trade and sign and get him before everyone else gets a chance to negotiate with him, should JD pursue it?
He is the perfect type of pitcher in terms of what we need, a young left-handed power pitcher who is a legitimate ace who could anchor the rotation for years to come. Whether or not we are buyers or sellers, this might be a deal to consider pursuing. Heck we could still sell and use those pieces to get c.c.
I actually think I would prefer waiting and just trying to money whip him, since you probably would have to do that anyways trade or no trade and save the pieces it would take to get him. FWIW, Gammons sees us as a dark horse to acquire him and does not think it will take a colon-type deal to get him:
How about the Texas Rangers. General manager Jon Danielshas rebuilt the farm system, owner Tom Hicks has the cash, it's a left-handed ballpark, the fact that C.C. was throwing 98 mph in the ninth inning of his second to last start tells us he's completely healthy and the Rangers might be able to do a trade and sign for the No. 1 starter they need to compete in the next three years.
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You wait until the end of the year
When he is a FA and then go after him.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 6:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Penaly box.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 6:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The answer is...
NO.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Big game tonight...
You gonna watch?
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep...
got my dvr set. I like to watch all my sports games on like a hour delay or so. That way I can skip through comercials, halftime, the Rangers ‘pen, etc. You know the stuff that drives you nuts that you just don’t want to see.
I’m still sticking to my Celtics in 6 prediction. I think the Lakers will find a way to get this one.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pau Gasol
sucks.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Snow & ice in
October suck worse…enjoy!
lol
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odom hasn't been much better...
and Kobe didn’t exactly light it up in game 4. Paul played him well. I think he will go off tonight though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 7:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lakers will
lose tonight.
Book It!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you're right...
if so I will be very happy.
Of all the teams I like the Celtics are at the bottom of the ladder but I’ve really gotten into this NBA season. I hope they finish off the Lakers. It would be nice to see them do it in the Garden though.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
a legit LH Ace. If he would give a window to negotiate an extension, then trade 1/5 of the top 25 prospects for him.
This team isn’t shit without more pitching, and, as much as I love farm kids, you trade them for exactly this type of pitcher/player.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Why don't you wait until after the year
Then you don’t have to give anything up for him.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Free market economy
that’s why.
Also, this team is gonna have a very hard time protecting all of the prospects in the Rule 5 Draft anyway, might as well put them to good use.
I’m sure my opinion will be unpopular. Oh well…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money is easier to give up the prospects
And most of the young prospects won’t need to be protected just yet from the Rule 5 Draft.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, tell me
a team that could pay him more. Uh huh, lots.
How many teams stack up with the Ranger’s farm system? 3 or 4? Yep, that’s why you trade for him, to keep him off the open market.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok here you go
Say they trade for him and they can’t work out a contract then leaves after the season where are you then? This team isn’t going to make the playoffs this year with or without him.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 7:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Catch this?
If he would give a window to negotiate an extension,
That is the key.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if there are a lot of teams out there
that could out spend the Rangers why would he do an extension with us?
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prospects
are the currency to trade with CLE.
Hicks’ money is what is needed to retain C.C. Do they match up? Dunno. Would I like to see them try?
Hell yeah!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
Name the players that have actually done that before.
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by DaheelzCM on Jun 15, 2008 9:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Particularly...
...in the middle of the season…
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 9:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i really dont think tom hicks has the cash anymore to pull it off
if we could sign him before we traded for it, id do it. if not then no freaking way. he’ll cost you more than what we got in tex trade, still interested?
im not, i don think we are close enough. i want CC a bunch, but i think we are 2 years from trading for a CC and it making a difference.
Patience, Grasshopper.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 15, 2008 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this team needs to acquire a veteran starter ASAP
C.C. and ben sheets are going to be available next summer along with perez, so the key here is dealing with an extension as part of the talks. You get the guy a little earlier than maybe planned, but he has that much more time to gel with the guys and keep up that little thing called chemistry that keeps the team continuously pulling for and with each other.
by rchawk12 on Jun 16, 2008 3:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Tex cost more than Johan Santana
and right now, Sabathia is worth less than Santana.
by venturafearsnolan on Jun 16, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It all depends on what is on the table for him...
... i.e., which and how many prospects to give and if JD can work with his agent to get some parameters for an acceptable deal prior to pulling the trigger. No effing doubt the guy would be a ginormous addition to our traditional position of weakness.
However, if there’s a chance we could get Carlos Lee’d by him, forget the fuck about it.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 15, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: Tiger Woods is not human.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 15, 2008 7:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Trade vs FA
If he hits the open market I’m pretty sure a NY team will pay more for him then Texas. IF (and that’s a big if) you could trade and sign him during the negotiating window, then I would consider it.
I’m just afraid his best days are behind him. Fat pitchers don’t hold up well. He could very well turn into the next CHP or Zito.
Derek
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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 15, 2008 7:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Neither of those pitchers that you mentioned
Are fat…
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zito comp...
Plus I’m pretty sure CC’s fastball is over 85 mph.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAT
By Zito and CHP I meant that they would be overpaid dead weight for the team that ends up with them. Colon and D. Wells are reasons I don’t think he’ll pan out with his next team.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 16, 2008 8:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder who the Indians would want in return...
Think they would ask for a package centered around Kinsler? or just minor leaguers?
by Agreen07 on Jun 15, 2008 8:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They would want a Tex like package.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then tell
then to fuck off.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 8:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well,
i wouldn’t mind putting almost the exact same package that we got for Tex, to Cleveland for CC. Make a deal centered around Salty. Perhaps Salty, Blalock, Murphy/Boggs/Byrd/Bradley. I think with Mayberry finally knocking on the door and pushing for playing time, I might consider trading one of the young outfield guys. As long as we are able to keep our young pitching, i’d be happy. Obviously, with Davis doing what he’s doing already in AAA, he’ll probably make it to Arlington sooner rather than later and you don’t want Blalock blocking his way up.
I think with Teagarden and Ramirez making their ways up thru the system, Salty is expendable. But ONLY FOR STRONG, DEPENDABLE PITCHING. CC is in that category.
The package I’d like to see made would be Salty, Blalock, Byrd, Gabbard.
by texaschief on Jun 15, 2008 10:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That wouldn't even get close
to getting CC
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something we don't want to pay.
Something like Kinsler + Feliz + Davis? Sorry, but eff that.
The idea of this ballclub trading for Sabathia is pretty laughable.
by LiamP on Jun 15, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe trading for him is laughable
but when he becomes a FA I think we should sign him…
by Agreen07 on Jun 15, 2008 8:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes they should.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
we have the pieces to make the move easily and without blowing up our depth in the minors. He is going to be a free agent after this season as opposed to the next season. The big selling point on Tex was that you would get him for two pennant runs, extension or no extension, c.c.’s value is vastly overblown in the national media circus and some of them are starting to realize it.
It would take one high end prospect, another top 10 prospect and either a lower level prospect or an upper level/major league young player with a more certain and probably lower ceiling.
by rchawk12 on Jun 16, 2008 4:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kinsler had better damn well be untouchable
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 15, 2008 8:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way..
we are a 3rd place team..nobody is untouchable except hamilton.
by Agreen07 on Jun 15, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody is untouchable
Leave it at that.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by DaheelzCM on Jun 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we signed Sabathia long-term
I would consider a Tex-like package if we could acquire another Sabathia quality SP.
by Agreen07 on Jun 15, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
OT: How bad...
do you guys think Teix will get booed when he comes back to Arlington on Tuesday?
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 9:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 9:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he will
And it will be sad to see.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by DaheelzCM on Jun 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not so sure...
I liked Teix a lot and think he is a great player.
However I might be inclined to let him know that turning down that extension before he was traded let Ranger fans know he didn’t want to be here.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he didn't
Why is that so bad? If you had been given no say in where you worked and lived for the past 6 years of your life AND you had the ability to change wouldn’t you at least want to entertain your options? Particularly, if the organization that put you in that situation is as much of a clusterfuck as this one.
And please don’t take this post as me feeling sorry for Mark Teixeira because I don’t. Being drafted and under a team’s control is how it works and he knew that. But eventually becoming a free agent and testing the market is also how it works and the Rangers knew it.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by DaheelzCM on Jun 15, 2008 10:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand your point...
all I’m saying is that I don’t think it would be sad to see him booed for not wanting to be there. After all many of the people at the games are there by choice, so given the amount of $ he turned down to go elsewhere I can understand people there being upset with that.
What would be sad is people yelling “you suck” or getting on him for his performance because that was great while in Texas.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 11:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
-1
He wasn’t that good.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
So that means he should be booed?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tex
My friend and I were recently discussing whether we were going to boo Tex or not at the ballpark this series. I think the majority will cheer, but I personally will boo.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 15, 2008 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was
a disgrace to the franchise. He was disrespectful to his teammates and the organization. All he did was complain.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus do you think his sour puss ass
would have been out there the other night having fun on the tarp? I don’t know but I don’t think he was a team player. JMO
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 9:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He would
be plucking his pubic hairs.
"No bear or disco for Juan" - Mr. Santos
by miles on Jun 15, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 15, 2008 9:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disrespectful how?
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by DaheelzCM on Jun 15, 2008 10:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
He’s no 25 million dollar man – that’s for sure. His numbers this year are remarkable similiar to the Murph..
Tex .277 avg. 10 HR 48 RBI’s .816 OPS
Murph . 286 10 HR 47 RBI’s .803 OPS
and the Murph is a LOT nicer, better teammate and not a sourpuss- oh and cuter too :)
He’s going to regret not taking all that $$$ when Big Daddy offered him the keys to the vault.
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 15, 2008 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
tex
can get hot in a hurry though. i cant remember for sure but isnt he a bigtime 2nd half player anyway?
i still dont think he is a top tier guy but he should be in that 2nd tier: star but not superstar.
also, i know we all hate him because we are Rangers fans but most of us wouldnt want to sign a big extension with a franchise that has such a shitty past record like the Rangers do.
by kumizi on Jun 15, 2008 10:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
remarkably*
The "Electrician" was born 7/16/07 11:53 PM EDT
http://www.lonestarball.com/2007/7/16/213154/893
by LAMuscleFag on Jun 15, 2008 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't mean much really. It's still mid June.
Player A: .286/.377/.482 (.858 OPS), 11HR/34RBI/36 runs
Player B: .281/.357/.474 (.831 OPS), 10/41/33
Player C: .264/.369/.447 (.816 OPS), 7/42/46
Player D: .276/.321/.510 (.831 OPS), 14/52/33
See if you can guess who those 4 guys are.
by LiamP on Jun 16, 2008 1:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll play
Player A: Vegan Fielder
Player B:Tubby Cabrera
Player C: Fats Lee ?
Player D: Carlos Beltran\
You picked a rather healthy group of players.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 16, 2008 11:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
C is Beltran and D is Carlos.
Regardless of weight, those players right now are all “comparable” to Murphy.
by LiamP on Jun 16, 2008 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I bet they could all eat more than Murph though.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 16, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will be participating in the booing
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
by TheBZA on Jun 16, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia is overrated imo....
I’d take him for the right price but that price won’t be out there. Hes certainly better than what the Rangers have but not worth what he’ll command on the open market. Look at how out of shape he is and that should give you an idea about his dedication level. Every single year he is damn near bad during the dog days of the season. That will be magnified by the Texas heat. Look up his month by month split. Its a repeating pattern every year.
by albyman32 on Jun 15, 2008 10:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
ya
i dont know if ive seen him dominate consistently enough, long enough to pay him what he is going to command or trade away 3-4 stud prospects.
maybe if this team were an ace away from being a contender but i think we need a lot more than that.
by kumizi on Jun 15, 2008 10:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like Sabathia
as a pitcher. I think he is an ACE, I think he would be the best pitcher to put on a RANGERS uniform sense Nolan, but I would not be very confident in seeing C.C. go to the mound in the middle of July when it is 100 degrees outside and 110 on the field while weighing in at 280, 290 whatever. Then we make one error and he is outthere pitching for an extra 30 minutes in an inning. He couldn’t cut it here, I think any pitcher we go after needs to be in very good physical shape if we plan on him pitching 190-220 innings here, that is definetly something we have to take into consideration.
by blueballlefty on Jun 16, 2008 12:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
he can go workout with millwood
and let the natural ability take over from there
by rchawk12 on Jun 16, 2008 4:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So then
he would be out of shape, AND miss three weeks atleast a year with pulled hamstrings! haha
by blueballlefty on Jun 16, 2008 8:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we we absoultely had to make a trade
The guy I’d go after is Rich Hill of the Cubs. He’s had some back and control problems this year, but that just means he might be had at a decent price – maybe we could work out a deal involving Milton Bradley for Hill now that Bradely’s playing the field again.
by lonestarJon on Jun 16, 2008 8:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe
a byrd for Hill deal could get done with the way Byrds been hitting and he is also a better fielder than Bradley
by blueballlefty on Jun 16, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It would take a lot more...
than Byrd to get Rich Hill.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 16, 2008 5:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep in mind
Rich Hill has yet to throw 200 IP in a season.
The k per inning stuff is intriguing, but he is 28.
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2. A stuffing
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 16, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
True...
but he did throw 185 innings last year and had a WHIP just over 1. Plus he’s a lefty, getting him for Marlon Byrd would be highway robbery.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 16, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*195 not 185
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 16, 2008 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I agree that would be laughable, but I’m suggesting that I wouldn’t give up our biggest piece(s) for a guy that isn’t steadily established by that age.
C.C. Sabathia is 27 and he has six seasons over 185 IP, for comparison.
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I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 16, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or four seasons
over 195* IP
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 16, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's more like it!
Bring some substance, man!
;)
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 16, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gammons
According to MLBTradeRumors, Gammons suggested Texas as a dark horse for Sabathia. Note I don’t have Insider anymore so I’m just taking MLBTradeRumors word for it.
Derek
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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 16, 2008 8:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
you beat me to it
With the Rangers deep farm system, they will be a “dark horse” in nearly every potential trade of this type
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
by RangerMad on Jun 16, 2008 9:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep especially if it's for a pitcher
That doesn’t mean much except the Rangers will have a lot of smoke and no fire this trade deadline.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 16, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
NY times article mentions that the Yanks seem to be in on CC
with a similar package to what they wouldnt give up for Johan. the difference? 6 games out june 15th
Johan is better.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 16, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They were willing to get Santana, so why not go for Sabathia!
Because you have Millwood and Padilla already locked up, adding Sabathia would give you a nice veteran 1-2-3 punch, allowing you to be sure about the kids. I would trade Salty, Arias, and two more players for Sabathia. Then sign Sabathia to a six year, 125 million deal.
Now is a good time to make a stab with a big deal or big free agent.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Jun 16, 2008 1:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sabathia is certainly big
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
by TheBZA on Jun 16, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitching trades
Any team trading a pitcher, will want a young pitcher in return. Cleveland would absolutely ask for Hurley, especially if they think they can get a pitcher from the Yanks.
Derek
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jun 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think a solid offer may get c.c. You are probably not going to have to blow them away since its probably a foregone conclusion to Shapiro and the rest of their front office that after this season he is gone. Combine that with the fact that he has not been pitching great this year, although he has turned it on of late, and the Indians are falling behind quickly and suffering a ton of injuries and his value to them is probably greatest through a trade.
Now if you have to get in a bidding war I say back off, but if you can do a similar deal as the lee deal, where you really only give up one good piece (and get a possible decent prospect back as well) then its a slam dunk. Now im not saying we should model a deal after that and I certainly dont think we will receive any type of prospect back, but those are the types of deals we should be looking to make.
by rchawk12 on Jun 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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