6/15 minors
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 7:45 PM CDT
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Chris Davis has his 6th AAA homer tonight. And Mad Max is 1 for 1 with a walk, as I post this.
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I’m starting to think that we won’t have to concern ourselves with how BA, etc. will rank him in the offseason on prospect lists.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing
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by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously though
what does he have to prove in AAA?
you have to be in the major leagues to struggle with and adjust to major league pitching.
and im pretty sick of cat/shelton myself.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Blalock supposedly heads out on a rehab assignment on Tuesday, at which point he’ll be about a week away from taking over at 1B.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trade value
And a week away from starting to rebulid some trade value.
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by RangerMad on Jun 15, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
weve thought he was a week away for 2 months
but yeah, true enough. and vazquez is still playing fairly well so i know the rangers wont move him back to 3b (if that is indeed even possible).
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
for arguments sake though..
what if blalock were out for the year.
do you go ahead and give davis a shot before the all star break?
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 8:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blalock is blocking Davis
It is getting close to the point where Davis is being blocked by Blalock. If Blalock is not traded at the deadline I think he will be over the winter.
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by RangerMad on Jun 15, 2008 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis is amazing.
Mayberry’s BB/SO keeps getting better in AAA. Pretty big lefty/righty split for him right now, fwiw.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 7:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ok...
so chances he too is in Arlington by the end of the year?
He has really turned it around this year and I hope it continues.
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by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think he's in the majors by the end of the year
fwiw.
its contingent on the rangers falling out of it and trading bradley but when that happens id imagine he gets a shot.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
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"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
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by Jayslick on Jun 15, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he
keeps hitting well in AAA, say 850+ OPS kind of performance, I’d be pretty surprised if he didn’t get rewarded with a September call-up (if nothing else).
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tiger
Can he convert? Or does he lose to yet another nobody.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2nd place in a major isnt that bad
playoff would be good though… bout to take the shot.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
SINKS IT!
awesome.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huge Huge Balls
Also made of Steel.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
man it came SO very close to lipping out
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude is awesome
Even on one leg.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rocco
Anus instantly shrivles up to the size of a ballpoint pen.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was fired
about 11 years ago…
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jun 15, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait
Do they not just goto a playoff hole? Whats going on here….
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow an entire 18
That is huge for Tiger then.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There was no way he’d get up and down from that rough. Just greatness.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh
Huge game for Borbon today, btw. I’m sure it was mentioned in the MLB threads, but finally got his 2nd HR and went 4-4.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 7:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Z does he get a September call up
Or do the Rangers wait until next September?
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 7:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
any chance of that happening hinges on two things, him getting promoted quickly as many here expect, and then lighting it up. I’d be surprised to see them call him up with the motivation discussed here though. I think that people are just overanxious, personally.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also have to think...
...that, from an internal politics p.o.v., having a guy who was the 33rd pick in the draft and was given a major league contract then called up in September without having just completely dominated in the minors isn’t going to go over real well.
Particularly if you have guys like Ramirez, JMJ, or Teagarden who don’t get called up.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can agree
With everything you and Z ahve said.
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by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Promotion
I really don’t see much reason for Borbon to stay in HiA. How long before you think he moves up to Frisco?
by jf55510 on Jun 15, 2008 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to be a weanie
but I can certainly see him being promoted for the second half (and would enjoy it selfishly)...or waiting another month and only giving him a month or so in Frisco. He’s not just absolutely dominating, despite how people are acting. He is doing very well, for all intents and purposes debuting in HA, so that’s awesome.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 8:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not dominating
in the sense of a power hitter, but what more could you ask for from a CF who projects to be a leadoff hitter?
by Gdawg on Jun 15, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that you can say that any dominant player
regardless of style can put up an OPS over 800. I don’t mean to get into an argument over the semantics of “dominant” though.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 8:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well not going to argue the definition of "dominant" either
but looking specifically at what you want out of a leadoff hitter, good BA, low Ks, decent walk rate and showing improvement, lot of stolen bases without getting caught too much, and he has near identical splits against lefties and righties which is a huge plus. For what he is, he’s doing everything you could hope for. I think he needs to go to Frisco where he will hopefully continue improving his walk rate and maybe develop some of that double power into home run power.
by Gdawg on Jun 15, 2008 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One big issue:
He doesn’t have a decent walk rate by any measure. The BA is there, and the OBP is solid. But I do not consider a 360 OBP from a leadoff type in HA dominating.
I”m not trying to argue that he shouldn’t be promoted, so please don’t place my argument there. But he is doing well, not dominating.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're just a Borbon hater
If you had it your way, he’d be in rookie ball :)
by Gdawg on Jun 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Any1 know why Holland went only 2 ip in his start?
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-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 15, 2008 8:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was wondering that, too
But Kennil Gomez is back from his 2-week long bout of arm discomfort. Maybe they just wanted both of those guys to get some work in before heading into the All Star break.
by shroomer on Jun 15, 2008 8:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Teagarden
Needs a double and a single for the cycle.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Borbon
I remember people here not wanting him when he was drafted. I’m glad to see him do well.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:11 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
People were upset about him being selected at #35?
by jamcadbury on Jun 15, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think so
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the anti-borbon talk
was far and away about being one of our first couple picks because there was word we might take him there.
i dont think nearly as many people minded him at #35.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 8:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
just went back and looked at the draft threads..
definitely still some borbon haters… but a lot of people saying at #35 its ok too though.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea I just went back also
And read some post. You are right.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya I think much of the Borbon dislike was about him going 17 or 24
I was unhappy with him at 35, only because I wanted that N. Ramirez guy. That worked out well though.
by groundingout on Jun 15, 2008 9:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really wanted Noonan, and he didn’t make it to 35 anyway, so I don’t think that I was stuck on anyone in particular at that point, at least.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Corey Brown
A lot of folks liked him - including me - although the K rate in college was really scary.
And as it turns out, he’s putting up Russ Branyan-esque K rates in low-A rate now, as well.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 8:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brown
is also only in Low A, sort of a Mayberry situation.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2008 9:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Undeniable Trooth
JMJ’s development rate has been purposely retarded by the org so that it’s completion will coincide with the sudden and startling talent demands of Chris Davis and Justin Smoak.
yep
by shroomer on Jun 16, 2008 9:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hah
Something that used to frustrate me about Mayberry was that they were able to turn right around the next draft and get the power hitter that I think they were trying to get (though without as much COF range) in Mayberry in the 5th round, and that even though he was a year behind professionally and came from JC rather than Stanford, he quickly caught and passed Mayberry (caught in terms of level, passed in terms of apparent status).
But as Davis has gone up, up, up in stature and has just gotten better and better, I find that it doesn’t bother me as much (of course that may have a lot to do wtih Mayberry coming around some, but still).
by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2008 9:54 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh,
It is awfully nice that he appears to be coming around. Perhaps we have a platoon partner with Murphy? Hamilton, Bradley (when he’s able) and Murph/JMJ, with Davis at 1B in 2009. Nice lineup potential there. Need to find a 3B.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 16, 2008 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'll be a lot more ecstatic about posts like this...
...when we’re talking about a lights out Triple-A pitcher…
get back to me in 2011.
by oc on Jun 15, 2008 8:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well aren’t you discerning! :)
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis out
but on a 9 pitch AB, not bad.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 15, 2008 8:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Mendoza thru 7
80 pitches, 2 runs, 1 earned, 5 Ks, 0 walks
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 8:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He's making a very strong
case to bring back up as the 5th starter. I don’t think Gabbard quite played his way out of a rotation spot though and you can’t just send Hurley down after one start, so Mendoza might have to wait it out a bit.
by Gdawg on Jun 15, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So...
Gabbard or Mendoza?
I do believe Mendoza now has 1 ER in his last 15 IP at OKC.
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by slc ranger on Jun 15, 2008 9:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate Gold
Hovering around the Mendoza line right now.
But hey, let’s call him up, see what he can do, right?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 15, 2008 9:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Not a fan. Not to mention he is a non prospect.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know but...
there are people out there that think he should be here and thnk he is a top tier prospect.
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by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not thinking of Gac are you
I mean neither are really a prospect but they do get confused by some people, so I’m just asking.
by Chris Hanes on Jun 15, 2008 9:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope I know both
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by boomer1 on Jun 15, 2008 9:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
They know how to close out games.
Closer goes in there and takes care of business. No messing around.
by Chris Hanes on Jun 15, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Shocker
This revelation that Scot Shields and KRod are good is blowing my mind.
by LiamP on Jun 15, 2008 9:36 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Spoilers suck
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 15, 2008 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just a statement, that's all
Wasn’t trying to reveal a thing to ya LiamP. If the post insulted your intelligence, then my apologies.
Simply stating in not so many words that it must be nice to be able to watch a game get closed out every time without the worries we go through.
by Chris Hanes on Jun 15, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels pitching staff + Rangers Hitting =
Best team ever?
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 15, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way jose
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by miles on Jun 15, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Angels
several of the prominent posters here continue to underrate them every year. Sciosia must be pretty smart.
by kumizi on Jun 15, 2008 10:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It's not Scioscia
I’m not one who underrates them, but the reason they’re good is that they have good pitching (and a handful of really nice hitters, some of whom don’t fit Scioscia’s style at all), not because of f-ing Scioscia.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
The fact that Ervin Santana and Joe Saunders have become pitching gods helps.
by LiamP on Jun 15, 2008 10:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Angels are
11th in runs and have the 2nd best record in the AL. It’s clearly all about “productive” at bats and giving away outs on the basepaths that makes them win.
On a related note, looking at RF/RA, I just noticed that the Rangers have given up 414 runs. Next most in the AL is Minnesota at 355, so we’re giving up almost a run a game more than anyone else in the AL. Pittsburgh is worst in the NL at 366.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
honsetly
it was more of a jab at some of the people that underrate them moreso than it was praise for Scioscia.
by kumizi on Jun 15, 2008 10:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good
Since I’m one that picks them every year, I don’t mind the former, heh. As you can tell, Scioscia is a major sore spot for me.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 15, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It just seems...
that at the beginning of each year for the last 3-4 years, there is some kind of hope for a few people here that the Angels will be a 85 win team and if things go right for the Rangers, we can compete with them.
I always get a good chuckle out of that. Im more worried about not finishing in last place than I am about the Angels.
by kumizi on Jun 15, 2008 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chris Davis is awesome
But can you really say that he projects as a better ML hitter than Max?
I don’t think you can.
Davis sure looks like a legit middle of the lineup masher, but he still has some issues. I don’t see a weakness in Max.
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by tricer on Jun 15, 2008 11:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Concur...
but he could play above average D at a position of need for the Rangers right now which you could argue makes him a better player, just not a better pure hitter.
Perhaps similar to what Board Game and Hamilton are doing this year at the ML level. I’ll take MaxRam playing the role of MOB and Beast playing the role of Beasticon and be very happy. Just glad to see them both tearing up the minors this year.
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by slc ranger on Jun 16, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's where
scouting comes into play. My suspicion is that scouts tend to downgrade Ramirez somewhat in terms of offensive projectability (i.e. power and raw talent/bat speed) in comparison with Davis. For example, Davis’ talent might allow him to better deal with his big issue with plate control than Ramirez with his small issue with plate control.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2008 3:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ramirez has an issue with plate control?
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2008 9:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not a big one
But it could be the sort of thing that can sneak up on you and you think you should have seen it, when the player struggles for a while. Mind you, I’m not predicting trouble for him. If you look back, I’ve been a big fan of this guy since he was in rookie ball.
But as nice of a season as he had last year, his K-rate was beyond one per four official AB (102 in 391 and worse than one per three AB in Bakersfield). And it’s really impressive that he has improved since Davis left, but he still is at 4.2 in Frisco. He’s a 23 year old who has moved a level at a time, so unlike Davis you don’t attribute any of it to his youth or pace of development.
Again, I’m not predicting, just saying that we hone in on something obvious and then wonder why it didn’t turn out like we expoected. Here’s an example, Jeremy Hermida vs Hanley Ramirez. Look at their minor league numbers and tell me how you were supposed to predict from them that Ramirez would easily rise above his obvious shortcomings, and Hermida, who while he struck out quite a bit was considered to have solid control of the strike zone, hasn’t so much so far. The answer (beyond some nagging injuries on Hermida’s part, which were predictable) is that Ramirez has that something extra that scouts recognized and most fans did not.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2008 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also meant to say
Virtually EVERY player who rises to the major leagues has an “issue” with plate control. When I say that Ramirez has a small issue, that means that he is just like literally 98-99% of players approaching the majors. They will struggle to survive on some level, because they are not already perfectly equipped to handle major league quality of every sort of pitch in every location. They just haven’t been exposed to it yet.
So I’m not saying that he’s got this wart, just that he’s probably not one of the handful of freaks that come along each decade who don’t ever appear that they have an adjustment period in the majors. And I’m saying that we are wise to consider things that may not be plainly obvious in stat lines, but that we have some level of access to that could explain how someone could project Davis as a better hitter than Ramirez..
by Brett Perryman on Jun 16, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
That’s fair.
I think the final divination of Max’s talent is going to be a 1B/DH/bu C role in OKC, coinciding with the release of Nate Gold. And that’s going to be a stud lineup.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pitchers
Too bad we don’t have some dominant pitchers in the upper echelons of the minors.
by JackDublin on Jun 16, 2008 8:19 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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