Milton Bradley contract discussion
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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PrintLet's say you are Jon Daniels. Milton Bradley's agent calls you and says, "Milton loves playing here, and we'd like to talk about a contract extension. Milton would like to get this resolved this week, to eliminate uncertainty and distractions the rest of the way, so we'd like to get something done by Friday, or else put off any negotiations until after the end of the season."
You've got authority from Hicks and Ryan to negotiate whatever deal you think would be best for the Rangers with Bradley.
What is your last, best offer, in terms of a contract extension for Bradley, that you put at the table at 4:55 p.m. on Friday?
Discuss.
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Contract
2 year 22 million with a team option for a 3rd year at 14 million. Option becomes guaranteed with 1000 plate appearances over the first two years.
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by bigsteve on Jun 16, 2008 11:38 AM CDT reply actions 1 recs
I like it
and I think MOB would want more than that. He’ll prob argue for the 3rd year to be guaranteed, but I bet that sort of money gets the deal done.
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 16, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions
Agree
JD can lowball him a little knowing Milton’s present trade value is a perfect storm, and knowing the player has an injury/incident-ridden past.
He’s not here to be the FOTF, he’s here to mash and one hopes play RF.
Overall I hope the team is exploring his trade value, and I mean working the phones hard, and weighing things with reports from the minors on Max, JMJ, and Davis. I think there’s enough depth for the team to deal Bradley.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions
except that
he’s leading the league in slugging and obp. It sure is dicey to project some minor leaguers that high. I think we really ought to consider signing him to an extension and keeping him around. He’s been the best freaking hitter in the AL this season so far.
If boardgame can avoid his incidents and injuries and give us this kind of hitting and clubhouse presence for a few years, how do you trade that? He’s never going to have fantastic trade value because of his past. Why not just ride this out and see where it goes…?
Trade value
I think he’s got a ton of trade value.
Short-term contract, best EQA in baseball, an absolute OBP machine.
The acquiring team can just arb him and take a couple draft picks, worst-case.
Someone’s going to need offense. In terms of contract and in-season performance, Milton is the best available.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2008 12:34 PM CDT up reply actions
Concur...
I think people are underestimating this guys value. He’s a switch hitter who is crushing the ball and is a big OBP guy. He may not be great defensively but can play a adequate RF. Plus he is very cheap this year so teams worried about payroll won’t shy away. He’s the absolute perfect guy to flip if health wasn’t a issue, that is the only snag.
I really do think he could bring back 3 or 4 quality prospects at the deadline. Think pitching at 3B prospects please.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
Maybe he could...
but unless we can get a potential top of the rotation guy out of it, I wouldn’t pull the trigger.
My point was that I still think he has considerable value to the Rangers. In addition to his considerable hitting ability, he seems to have been a great clubhouse presence. I feel really good vibes coming from this team and I think it is due to, in part, to the personalities of Hamilton, Boggs, and Bradley. I don’t want to understate the value of actual talent, of course, but team chemistry is a real factor and I think the mood of a team can really affect the quality of play.
So, I don’t think boardgame is like Gagne and Lofton last year. I think we really should consider making him part of our plans for the next several years unless someone just knocks our socks off with a trade proposal.
yep, thats what i was thinking before i got to the replies.
2 years, team option on the 3rd, high money.
Bring up Justin Smoak
Right on
I would have thought the same thing, 2 with a team option for 3. I’m never really sure about the annual average $ value someone should get… but I think between 10 and 12 a year would be a good contract.
People are worried about not being able to compete over the next couple of years… but that contract would still be VERY tradable, in a world where Garret Anderson makes $12 million in 2008.
Whatever happens in the end, the Bradley situation can only turn out good for the Rangers (other than him getting hurt).
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Could you also...
Pay him less base money, but build in annual bonuses per year (based around 500 PAs)? I’m not that well-versed in contract stipulations, but I think these numbers make sense even if you couldn’t hedge your bets with less base money.
Honestly, while I don’t think Milton plays here 5+ years, if we’re serious contenders in 2010 or 2011, he would be a great piece to have around. I doubt that he leads the league in OPS every year, but having a guy who walks a lot and switch hits is a huge boon to our lineup.
you can definitely do that...
but it would be a tough sell to get Bradley to agree to an incentive laden contract. As much as he’s performing, he’s going to expect that he’s earned the high base pay.
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Tough question
He’s going to be insulted by a short term offer, and too small an offer will insult not only him but the guys in the clubhouse who like him so much. You also want to reserve the option of trading him, so no way do you agree to a NT clause.
2 year with a team option for 3rd. 2009 – $10M; 2010 – $12M. 2011 – $14M. 800 AB’s in first two years triggers option. Additionally, there is a buyout clause of $2M after the first year, and $4M after the second year. This gives Bradley some cash and the team an out if he manages to hit the incentive number but is injured/ineffective.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
Concur...
2 year with a 3rd year option but there has to be some kind of buyout clause in case of a injury.
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i guess i ride it out and trade the guy
i just dont think we have the pieces to compete for 3 seasons and any deal i do with him i dont want longer than 3 seasons. its kinda a crappy situation b/c i love his bat, and i never thought id say this but i love what he brings to the team. To me its a matter of when do you feel you are a competitive team? Im not sure keeping MB and signing CC sabathia is enough for us to comptete and thats investing like 30M a season into 2 guys. With that in mind i nab the best set of prospects i can get my hands on. You can get a Jacob McGee type of prospect of a team when the chips start falling right.
I just dont think you can ignore the longterm vision here and let the short term cloud your mind of the goal. Honestly id rather them trade him and invest that 11M in the best prospects in the draft and the best LA players in the world for the next 3 years and by then our onslaught of youth will be in the show and we would still have one of the deepest systems in baseball.
Thats when you trade for the Sabathia equivalent or sign your MB equivalent long term. We just arent there yet.
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Three Years
I don’t know if or think the Rangers can compete now (I doubt it this year). However, waiting three years before we make moves for the present will render the overall fan base to zilch. We need to be smart about procurement and development of young talent, but we can’t proceed like we’re performing a lab project instead of fielding a baseball team.
i dunno
not good with the numbers. i don’t really know what players are making, i just see some numbers thrown around over here.
i know that since the rangers got hamilton under control for a little while they don’t need to offer him anything for at least a year or 2. def needs to see what he does over a full season.
as far as milton? i guess do something like 2 years 25 million. is there a way to have it in the contract that if the rangers have a club option for a 3rd year and pick it up, that a 4th guaranteed year is tied to it? if so then 15 million per for both of those years with at bat bonuses tied to them.
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
Have you secretary tell him you are out to lunch.
Continue to get trade offers as the deadline approaches then trade him. That is of course if you want the Rangers to ever make the playoffs.
Might be smart
though it’s really deflating to think of this lineup without him. Not nearly as scary, but trading him is still my first choice because long term help is more important than the Rangers scoring 1000 runs this year.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
Only if equivalent value wasn't offered at the deadline
Read: #1 or #2 ML-ready SP + young bullpen piece
2 years / $30M
3rd year, team option, $15M …
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
Question
Read: #1 or #2 ML-ready SP
How many guys who fit that category do you think there are out there, that are also in the organization of a contending team?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions
Don't the Rays
Have 2 top 10 pitching prospects?
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 16, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
McKee
You think the Rays would actually part with either of the big lefties?
by Baseball North on Jun 16, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
David Price
is likely going to be a star. Unfortunately, the Rays would never part with him for a moody, injury prone RF (they have CF and LF locked up) with a history of causing disturbances. P
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by SarasotaRanger on Jun 16, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions
*Price
will be added to Kazmir and Shields, which will give the Rays an insane 1-2-3 combo for years to come.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 16, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions
not to hijack
but have you guys heard about the rumors of Griffey, Jr. willing to accept a trade to the Rays? How big would that be for that organization?
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strictly for fans
If they were in the market for another bat, because the reports are Griffey would be the DH, then you would have to think MB would be at the top of the list. He has better production this year and is making waaaaaaaaaaaay less money. But he doesn’t have the name appeal that Griffey does so thats why they would be after griffey instead of MB.
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They just need something to excite people in that area
they’ve had Boggs, Canseco, Greg Vaughn, McGriff. But Griffey would definitely have a huge amount of fan appeal that they haven’t had there in a while.
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well...
it is florida
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They are out there
I can produce names, if you’d like.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions
It takes longer than 10 minutes to research, evaluate and compile, jackass.
Especially if you cross-check with Sickels’ lists …
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Jack Donkey to You
I missed the Pacific Daylight Time designation. Keep you powder dry and your frilly underware out of a knot.
Huh?
Adam and I are in the same time zone, so I’m not sure how that would affect your settings or designations, but whatever.
Clearly I had a 9 minute window to work with before you blew your gasket.
Practice patience or new shtick: one or the other will suffice.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 5:51 PM CDT up reply actions
By contending team
Names I would inquire about … High-ceiling players that are in AA = near-ready, to me, which is close enough to ML-ready, considering our rebuilding timeline.
Boston: Buchholz, Bowden, Masterson, Lester
Tampa: Garza, Shields, McGee, Hellickson should be in AA right now (technically not ML-ready), Morlan (hurt), no point in listing Price, J.P. Howell is nasty, fwiw (UT, ftw)
Chicago White Sox: Poreda, Floyd
LAA: Adenhart (I have my doubts, ...), Santana, Weaver, Arredondo / Thompson are good BP arms
Philadelphia: Carrasco, Outman
Chicago Cubs: Gallagher, Veal, Petrick, Hart, Marshall, Ascanio (relief arm, along with Marmol, who is sick)
St. Louis: Perez, Garcia, Mortensen, Wainwright, McClellan is a good and young BP arm
Arizona: Scherzer, Buckner
Florida: Hernandez, Olsen, Volstad, Pinto (don’t know if he could be moved to SP, but a nice BP arm)
Almost all of those pitchers are 25 or younger, with mostly top-tier stuff.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions
Nice list,
but not all of those are #1 or #2. St. Louis already has outfield depth, as do Boston and AZ. I doubt Florida stays in contention enough to warrant buying such a big piece. Tampa might be a match, since they could use an OF masher and can afford to give up an arm or two with depth there.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
If they're not #1 or #2
most of them still have the potential. In other words, if they’re on that list, odds are that you cannot rule them out from being at least a #2, at some point down the line, during their prime years.
Obviously, many will get injured, a few will fall off completely, etc. Those are talented young pitchers, though.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 1:45 PM CDT up reply actions
In regards to Arizona
Could we do Bradley for Chad Tracy and either Buckner or Schrazer. They do have outfield depth but Byrnes has been injured off and on this year and Upton and Young are still young guys, with little experience.
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No,
I think you can say for several of those guys that they are not #1 or #2’s. I wouldn’t put Lester up there, or Howell, Floyd, Wainwright is overrated, Veal…
Now that’s not to say you shouldn’t trade for them, but you have to have realistic expectations of what you’re getting.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
Feel free to make your own list
I’ll leave a 24 y/o pitcher up there who has a 127 ERA+ in 90 IP.
Floyd: agree to disagree.
I agree that Wainwright is overrated, and I’ve stated as much in other threads, but I won’t argue with his numbers.
As for Veal, what’s the problem?
He has 190 K’s in 203 IP in AA, between last year and this year. His ERA has significantly improved over last year. If he gets his BB’s under control, he will be an excellent pitcher, imo.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Friedman...
...does he really have to make a trade this year?
by oc on Jun 16, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay
Most of the guys you listed, though, aren’t potential #1/#2 guys. J.P. Howell, for example, is basically Kason Gabbard. Gavin Floyd isn’t. Pinto isn’t. Garza isn’t.
Winnow it down to the guys who you think are realistic potential #1 or #2 starters.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I made side notes, Adam
I realize Howell is not a starter. That’s why I qualified it with “fwiw.”
What is Gavin Floyd? Do you have to have K/inning stuff to be a #2?
A 25 y/o SP with a 132 ERA+ would slot in nicely as the #2 in many rotations.
Our rotation, for instance, features nobody that has been better.
I know, you’ll say it’s unsustainable, and argue that he’s an aberration—bound to regress. Fine. We’ll come back to this.
Garza? What is he? A 24 y/o ML pitcher who is holding his own: league average ERA. 1 K per inning in the minors. 1.12 WHIP over 4 seasons in the minors—he doesn’t mess around.
ESPN article about Garza after getting traded:
Garza gives the Rays, who need help for their rotation, a legitimate starter. One of the game’s top prospects, Garza went 5-7 with a 3.69 ERA in 16 appearances, 15 starts, for Minnesota after he was called up right before the All-Star break. ‘He’s a guy we project to get a lot better quickly,’ Rays executive vice president Andrew Friedman said.
So, tell me, why can’t Garza perform like a #2 after a couple more years of seasoning? What precludes him from putting up those types of numbers?
What is Renyel Pinto? K per inning in the minors. 128 IP in the majors with a 137 ERA+.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Okay
Garza, I’d put as a possible #2/#3.
But you said a #1 or #2 ML-ready SP. That’s why I asked for who you would put in that category. Your list has a lot of guys who don’t fall in that category, as I think you acknowledged.
Let me put it this way…who in that list do you consider a ML-ready SP who is a potential #1 or #2 starter?
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 2:20 PM CDT up reply actions
Do you
Consider Weaver to be in that category?
by brettgardner on Jun 16, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Probably not
I think he is someone who is probably a #3 guy, realistically. Maybe a #2, but with his durability issues and everything else, I’d say he’s probably a #3.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
I’d love that. Doubt seriously it would happen.
by brettgardner on Jun 16, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions
they gave up 5 years of delmon young for him
bviously delmon has been a disappointment this year, but he he had a ton of value at the time.
1/2 year of bradley has to be way off. maybe with something else significant also in the deal.
Bring up Justin Smoak
i'd much rather have Milton's attitude problem than Garza's attitude problem.
by oc on Jun 16, 2008 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh
I’m indifferent, but that was a fucked up blow-up he had with Navarro (was it?). That’s just awkward.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 8:32 PM CDT up reply actions
Touche
I think many listed have the potential to put up the production of a #2 SP at some point, or offer serious value.
Granted, some will have a higher probability of being a #1 or #2 than others. I think that’s what you’re getting at. My argument is that these pitchers are young enough that, given reasonable improvement, you cannot rule them out. I also agree with your argument that the majority of #1’s or #2’s on contending teams are untradeable. It would defeat the purpose to trade someone like that.
Garza may be a 2/3, fine. Buchholz? #1. Wainwright? #2. Lester? #2. Shields? #2. Eduardo Morlan is one to keep an eye on: 92K’s in 65 IP in A+. Santana has the stuff to put up performance resembling the seasons of a #1, but I think he’ll be a solid #2 if he has put it together, alas. Gallagher could be a #1 or #2, based off of milb performance. I would definitely target Marmol, but he’s got to be untouchable. Scherzer could be an ace. Scott Olsen doesn’t have great stuff, but he is putting up a 125 ERA+ as a 24 y/o ML pitcher, supported by a strong WHIP of 1.23.
Chris Perez of STL, for instance, will be a lights-out reliever. That doesn’t imply that he will have the value of a lights-out starter, but I would consider young, high-ceiling guys like him as trade targets.
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by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 2:52 PM CDT up reply actions
Jays
Do you want Burnett in return? Apparenty he’s talking his way out of town with stupid comments.
by Baseball North on Jun 16, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions
He also can exercise an out clause...
...and become a free agent at season’s end…
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 16, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Just write a number
Any number, any number and you win!
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Minnesota or Florida
Two low market teams but if they want to contend:
Minnesota-I doubt they’d go for Bradley’s temper, but if they want to contend, and right now they are 5 games out of first, they have some young pieces that could make something work. And Florida’s always got good, young talent even though Loria may not want to pay Bradley what he’s going to get in free agency. Plus, they’re going to need at least some players to fill that new ballpark they’re building.
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Wouldn't it be funny
if we traded Bradley to the Royals. Ryan Lefebvre dream come true!
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I agree w/ AJM
if a contending team has a top rotation caliber young pitcher that is truly ML ready – he will be in that team’s rotation and untradeable.
I think a fair return for a guy like Bradley would be something equivalent to Harrison, Feliz, and Madrigal. And if a similar offer was out there, I’d certainly pull the trigger.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
makes me drool to think about.
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done
I’ll take Harrison, Feliz, and Madrigal.
They would look totally awesome in the Rangers system.
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an offer like that would likely
be some team’s top 3 pitching prospects. I think a near ready back rotation SP, a near ready late inning reliever, and a dominant single A type would be a great haul for MB.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
Justin Masterson? Clayton Kershaw?
...the reason why the Yankees didn’t part ways with Hughes is because they were counting on him to be a key figure in their playoff run last year.
it’s the same thing with these two…
pitching is more valuable now then it has ever been. no team is going to trade away young major league ready arms for a couple of months with Bradley, Catalonotto, Byrd, Millwood, or Padilla… which makes all these trade suggestions absolutely laughable.
by oc on Jun 16, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions
not sure why you replied to me
the gist of my post is that we could expect to get a near ready back of the rotation starter (like Harrison), a near ready late inning reliever (like Madrigal), and an A-ball pitcher with front rotation ceiling (like Feliz).
I agree with you that elite arms in AA and above will not likely be available, at all. Not sure that Masterson fits that description though.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
i was actually agreeing with you...
...on the fact that major league ready pitching won’t be available…
your return on Bradley, however, is too optimistic.
by oc on Jun 16, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions
Masterson:
3-1
2.90 ERA
31.0 IP
18 H
10 ER
15 BB
27 K
.168 BAA
these might not be elite numbers, but they’re hardly trade bait…
by oc on Jun 16, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions
I think he is likely to be overvalued right now
due to his initial burst of ML success. Once the BABIP normalizes, I think he will be a non-descript back of the rotation starter.
Sure—I’d take him over a lot of what the Rangers throw out there, but I wouldn’t burn through a significant trade asset like MB to get him.
I gotta admit that I discriminate against rightie starters w/ 89 mph heaters though.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
Masterson
Back of the rotation? His groundball rates are gaudy. I don’t know his top-out velocity, but his slider gets up to 94 per soxprospects.com.
Boston and Tampa are the teams I target. Just try to freak Epstein out about Manny’s injuries, how they’ll have to replace him soon, how well Milton (maybe even throw in Max) could work…
...and then pry one of Bowden/Masterson/Buccholz (I know not likely).
Tampa’s probably an easier sell with their OF and how hungry they are to reach the postseason with the Yankees foundering again, though they’ve got a little less depth at SP.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2008 2:33 PM CDT up reply actions
Masterson velocity
average FB : 89.0
average slider : 80.6
http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=2038&position=P
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
Who cares
Ley’s get back to uni-talk.
What kind of piping do we want on the road jerseys?
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Trade him before Friday
Too much of an injury risk to sign long-term. Get what you can for him on the trade market right now.
Rangers > Nationals...for now
something around
3 years, 25 million guaranteed
and upto
3 years, 40 million with a games played or at bats clause
Milton
I’d let him choose between something like:
3 years @ $30 million
or
2 years guaranteed at $12 million and 1 vesting year based on plate appearances at $12 million
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
3/45
Possibly a vesting option for a fourth year similar to Millwood’s fifth year.
There’s no way he gets signed for some of these cheap 2 and 3 year offers (even with a FA market that includes guys like Pat Burrell and Adam Dunn).
bradley
from a mb’s perspective:
1. he is about to sign his last big contract.
1B. that is why he agreed to a 1 year deal with TEX – to prove himself, play hard, put up numbers and position himself for a payday
1C. why would he remove every other team from the bidding process to stay a place where he has played for a few months?
rangers perspective:
2. if he becomes a FA and his current numbers hold through september, the line to sign him is long. under those conditions TEX won’t necessarily be in any better position to sign him. he would have NO sense of loyalty to a place he has only been a few months, and i think he walks.
i would LOVE to have MB here for as long as he will stay, but absent a signed contract (that i think might be difficult to get done), we need to be realistic and trade him.
how much worse would the record be this year w/o bradley?
would hamilton be nearly as good w/o milton behind him?
we NEED him here, but don’t wait and get nothing.
*we could always trade him and sign him as a FA at the end of the season.
I am somewhat in line with the 2+1 offers above
but I may make it a little more juicy for Milton
2009 – $10 million
2010 – $12 million (I got these numbers above, they sound good to me)
2011 – $14 million team option (automatically vests at 1000 PAs, $4 million buyout if 800 PAs)
2012 – $16 million mutual option (automatically vests at 1500 PAs)
The way I see it, a healthy Milton is guaranteed $26 million (probably more than he’s made his whole career to this point). If he gets 1000PAs in the next two years, his productivity will make the $14million doable for Texas.
I think Milton would do this as well – given that Texas is the first place he’s played without being constantly treated like a criminal, he’ll have reason for staying, and he’ll be getting a lot of money for staying in his comfort zone (something I think is more important to him than, say, Roger Clemens…)
a good approach
though, if you sign both Bradley and Hamilton to long term deals you have two big injury risks that you’re depending on for a lot of your offense. You’re gambling that they won’t both be injured at the same time, I guess.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
Hamilton
Hes not a big injury risk. Last year he had a coiuple trips to the DL which is easy to understand when you think about how hard he had to work to get his body back into shape after the struggles he went through in his life. It wasn’t ready for the grind of the baseball season. He mentioned in an interview earlier this season that this past winter it wasn’t working out to get in shape it was working out to maintain and be stronger to last all year. So far hes done just that.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
Speaking long term, though
I wonder what those years of abuse did to his body. He may be the oldest 27 yr. old in baseball. I think he’ll be ok as long as they are careful with him, but it’s way too tempting to put him in the lineup every day when you’re trying to win, as we’ve seen this year. He need to DH once a week and sit once every two-three weeks as well.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
I like this
something like 4/52 seems pretty reasonable if on the high side (but when doesn’t a contract look “on the high side”?) I would first approach him with an offer of Park Place, Marvin Gardens, and New York Ave though…
3 years, 36 million dollars
with an option of the 4th year at 15 million dollars that vests automatically if he has 1350 plate appearances over the first three years.
I overpay in the short-term
and give him a 2 /$ 22 million with mutual option for third year.
Contract contains up to $ 3 million per year for incentives based around playing time, lack of dl time and behavior clauses.
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by Josey Wales on Jun 16, 2008 12:58 PM CDT up reply actions
Trade him or ride out the season
Trade him for pitching in AA or above or let the season play out and take the picks in the off-season.
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10 years, $252 million
It's baseball. You don't always get what you want, and you don't always want what you get. --Ed Coffin
contract
2 years $18M
with a team option for a 3rd year @ $12M
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inda makes sense.
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"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
i seriously doubt Epstein would want to get screwed by the Rangers...
...two years in a row.
by oc on Jun 16, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Conundrum
contract – 3 yrs 30 plus million should get it done but hicks probably wouldnt do it. they need to figure out how to find another J Daniels GM in the league and trade for a chris young / danks or volquez… keeping him would be nice, but after this yr you’ll be competeing w/ everyone else so the price will be too high for tommy hix and his 60 mil a yr salary cap
Give him Soriano's contract
But seriously…
I think the general consensus, two years with a team option for a third, is solid.
I think it is absolutely imperative that there is an PA’s clause.
1st Year: $8 million if he qualifies for batting title (3.1 plate appearances per team game), $2 million if he doesn’t.
2nd Year: $9 million if he qualifies, $3 million if he doesn’t.
3rd Year (team option): $11 million if he qualifies, $4 million if he doesn’t.
"Boy, that is a gutless, 6-foot-7, .200-hitting formerly good player. What a joke." -Tom Grieve RE: Richie Sexson
I don't know
I don’t know about numbers for an extension or whatever, I would play out the season as is let the market decide his value. If his value is reasonable match top offer if not, take your draft picks and go home.
Whatever the eff he wants..
within reason.
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I bet MB wants
years over dollars. I think he’d be a bargain at 5 yrs for 50 mil. With injuries and suspensions you’d probably get 3.5-4 good years for that price. I bet he’ll view 2 or 3 year offers as disrespect.
- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle
5 year 50 mil????
are you kidding? This guy hasn’t stayed healthy his whole career now we just assume he’s all better? No way do you give him 5 & 50.
MLB Free Agency
I think he could command something like that on the open market but there is no way I would pay him that.
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FA contracts :: Pizza buffet
You’re really hungry, for just a couple slices, but you have to purchase the whole buffet or miss out on the pizza.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
I don't either
it sounded better in my head.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
2 + 1
There seems to be two camps on this issue. One camp is the group that looks at his behavior since being signed, and his ability, his batting eye, and says, “Keep him”. The other group sees his value, his history, and his seeming fragility and says, “Trade him”.
I’m in the “Keep him” camp. I know that he probably won’t hit .350 all year, or even next, but he has a batting eye, and that doesn’t generally slump. I actually like his fire. it reminds me of Will Clark, it reminds me of Jeff Kent (except that he’s not a redneck). He’s an emotional person, an emotional player. I don’t lowball him, but two years plus a club option is the usual low-risk investment. (hey, we gave it to Catalanotto). I put his salary at $9 mill per, with the option year at $11 with a $2 million buyout. That makes the minimum value of the deal $20 million, which won’t break the bank if he tanks next year and has to be Ben Broussarded.
Upset Alert
Rocco and Tiger tied with 4 holes left….
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^^^^ Wow, I would too. I guess that makes me the next John Schuerholtz.
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lol my bad
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^^^^ Wow, I would too. I guess that makes me the next John Schuerholtz.
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sorry meant to reply to Agreen07
"I'll take Clemens over Millwood and Padilla anyday.." - bosoxsiempregirl
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4 years @ $50 M
I would break the contract down like this:
1 – $10 M
2 – $12 M
3 – $14 M
4 – $16 M (Team option based on PAs with $2M buyout)
I would also make sure that he understands his playing time will be split between RF and DH.
The thought of having a lineup of Ian, Mike, Josh, Milton, and Davis/MaxRam for another 3 or 4 years is too good to pass up.
don't forget doubly do-right
he’s the real thing…. he’s here to stay…. burn red sox nation burn
- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle
We Might
Is there anyone in the Ranger system who projects to ever have a year such as Bradley is having? I know we’ve got really good prospects but I’m not sure there’s anyone not already on the Rangers who projects to have as good all-around numbers as Bradley has. I know its a career year but I also think that we tend to undervalue the abilities of offensive players because we seem to develop a lot of them.
just checked something
Based on OPS+ Milton Bradley is currently having a better season this year than Albert Pujols has ever had. Of course we are only half way through the season and I doubt MB can keep this up all year, but it does illustrate how beastly he’s been this year.
"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner
Like What
Matt Harrison nice? Michael Schlact nice? Neftali Feliz nice (good luck)? Travis Metcalf nice? I don’t know, how long do we defer procuring proven players for long term?
It seems almost like a crutch for prospect-o-philes that they want to defer acquiring “for sure” pieces of the puzzle.
Since When
is 1/3 of a season of really good baseball mean your a proven player. when your in the league for 8 years and you’ve put up 1/3 of a great season, you sound more like GMJ than Manny Ramirez to me.
by blueballlefty on Jun 16, 2008 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions
1/3 of a season
of fan-freaking-tastic baseball. Coupled with several other seasons of pretty good to very good to excellent ball make you a little more than GMJ and his 2 years of above average hitting. He’ll probably get hurt but when he’s out there he’s been really good.
His History
Bradley has injury issues and possible mental issues but he has almost always been an above average to excellent player when he is on the field. I just don’t think that you have paid close enough attention.
2 years 20 million
with an PA base 3rd year option at 12 million, BUT I would really rather trade him for something really nice.
anything in the
$10-$12 million with incentive clauses for a 3rd or 4th year option would be excellent in my opinion.
$0 for 0 years
There is NO WAY I give that guy an extension. Trade him before he has a serious injury.
Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!
by LSBUser on Jun 16, 2008 6:41 PM CDT reply actions
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