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On Chien-Ming Wang and Vicente Padilla

The Yankees got bad news on Chien-Ming Wang:

This is the statement the Yankees just released about Chien-Ming Wang, who injured his foot in Sunday's game in Houston:

RHP Chien-Ming Wang was examined today at New York Presbyterian Hospital Columbia Medical Center by Yankees Team Physician, Dr. Stuart Hershon and Dr. Justin Greisberg, Foot and Ankle Specialist.

Imaging studies revealed a mid-foot sprain of the Lisfranc ligament of the right foot and a partial tear of the peroneal longus tendon of the right foot.

Wang will be on crutches and wear a protective boot for a minimum of six weeks.

This is devastating news for the Yankees, who could be without their ace pitcher for the remainder of the season and now are sure to be in the market for a starting pitcher at the July 31 trade deadline.

The question becomes: Will they part with one or more of their own young pitchers if that's what it would take to get somebody like Cleveland lefty C.C. Sabathia?

Stay tuned.

So...the immediate thought I had was, does this pave the way for a Padilla-to-New York deal?

And my second thought is...probably not.

The Yanks have a couple of options out there.  They could load up and go after Rich Harden, who is under contract through 2009 (including the $7 million team option) and who is pitching like a legit #1.  (And who Peter Gammons thinks is the big prize out there right now).  That would likely cost them something along the lines of Melky Cabrera, Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy or Philip Hughes, and maybe an Alan Horne or someone of that ilk.  Maybe more. 

They could go after C.C. Sabathia, who is a free agent after the season, and who the Indians are apparently willing to talk about.  The cost Sabathia would be less than for Harden, I'd imagine, but you'd still have to start off with Kennedy or Hughes plus Jackson.

There is also A.J. Burnett, who might be the best fit for the Yanks.  He's got top of the rotation stuff (if not top of the rotation results), and can opt out of his deal after this season (and if he stays with the Blue Jays, likely will).  The Yanks could probably get him for less than Sabathia or Harden would cost, then talk to him about re-doing his deal after the season, if he holds up to the New York drama.

There is Erik Bedard.  One has to guess that the new g.m. in Seattle is going to shop him, if Bedard isn't willing to talk extension (and he supposedly isn't), and the cost for Bedard is probably close to the cost for Harden.

So...there are several guys better than Padilla out there.  And if the Yanks want to give up elite prospects, they can get one of those guys.

I can't see the Yanks giving up significant prospects for Padilla, though.  He's in the category of players who I could see the Yanks saying, we'll take his salary off your hands, and maybe we'll give you one of our lesser light prospects, a Brett Gardner or a Dan McCutchen, but not anyone really, you know, good

And the thing that concerns me is that, Padilla's nice start ERA-wise notwithstanding, his peripherals are saggy.  He's got a DIPS ERA of 5.08 and a FIP of 5.10...despite an overall 810 OPS allowed this season, he's held leadoff hitters to a 713 OPS and batters with RISP to a 683 OPS (with just a .333 slugging percentage).  His pattern appears to be, get the first guy out, get into trouble, then eke out of it.

The other problem is that, well...someone has to pitch for the Rangers.  And until Luis Mendoza and/or Brandon McCarthy get back to 100%, there aren't a lot of obvious choice to take over for Padilla in the rotation.  Plus, it isn't as if dumping Padilla's contract should be that big a priority, since he only has a year to go and isn't making so much that it would prohibit the Rangers from making some other moves.

So...at the end of the day, I'm sure there will be some discussions between Brian Cashman and Jon Daniels about Padilla, but I don't think anything is going to happen here.  This isn't a good fit.

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Hmm

I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone right now.

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

Me too

I never thought Michael Bolton Syndrome would happen to me.

by brettgardner on Jun 16, 2008 4:50 PM CDT up reply actions  

so

is that Brett Gardner a no talent assclown?

Stats don't lie

by Longhorn on Jun 16, 2008 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

so you're saying

padilla is not a good fit for anyone?

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 16, 2008 4:50 PM CDT reply actions  

Well, not if those teams
want to give up elite prospects, they can get one of those guys.

Apparently, in Adam’s estimation, we are not likely to acquire elite prospects for him. Fine, let’s keep him through his contract if equivalent value isn’t available. If there’s any elite prospects out there after Harden, Sabathia, Burnett and Bedard, hit us up about Padzilla.

I’ll take somebody who is pitching. I don’t care if he pitches around sluggers or walks people if he knows he’ll get the next guy out. Evidently, Padilla is proving that he can do that.

Besides, Padilla is a 2nd-half pitcher. He gets stronger as the season progresses, typically. His career 2nd-half ERA: 4.05 as opposed to 4.35 in the first half. His career 2nd-half OPS is .738, which is down a fairly significant 35 points from his 1st halves.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 5:26 PM CDT up reply actions  

Disagree X 2

I think Harden can fetch more than that Yankees package.

And Sabathia is going to bring back more than Harden. Even if Harden’s under control longer, you have to think his injuries lower his value below the mirror-image workhorse of CC.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jun 16, 2008 4:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Watch out for the Billy Bean Syndrome

Every Stud SP or RP gets worse after they leave Beane & Oakland:

See

Tim Hudson
Mark Mulder
Barry Zito
Keith Foulke
Billy Koch

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 4:54 PM CDT reply actions  

Bonderman?

And Tim Hudson is still really good.

Stats don't lie

by Longhorn on Jun 16, 2008 5:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bonderman

didnt play for Oakland and Hudson is not as good as he used to be.

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 5:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Considering Hudson's 32...

It’s unreasonable to expect him to be as good as he was. He’s still pretty damn good.

by LiamP on Jun 16, 2008 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

Dan Haren

has pitched 89 innings outside of Oakland…too early to judge.

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bonderman?

He wasn’t a “stud” in Oakland…and Hudson has been worse in the NL.

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 5:05 PM CDT reply actions  

Hudson has been worse in the NL

Not really. He had a bad 06’ but other than that he’s still the same pitcher, just older.

Not the only black poster on LSB.

by sprite on Jun 16, 2008 5:11 PM CDT up reply actions  

His ERA+

has decreased. He isn’t the same pitcher that he was in Oakland.

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

AJ Burnett

That was a monumentally stupid contract from the Blue Jays. They gave him the option to bail after three years. So basically, if he had a good three years he’s gone, and if he sucked and/or was injured, they were stuck with him. Dumb.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jun 16, 2008 5:11 PM CDT reply actions  

agreed

I wish the Rangers had gotten Burnett. Besides that “out”, his contract his a bargain by today’s standards.

by Agreen07 on Jun 16, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

+2

That is awfully retarded.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by inactive lsb user on Jun 16, 2008 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Is it too late ...

... to trade Ponson? Maybe they will settle for an alcoholic, violent, maybe racist fat mediocre bastard as a stopgap until they can reach a deal for a better pitcher. I would settle for any low-level guy at this point. Hell, I would settle for a bag of bats like that poor minor league guy who got traded for them. Bag of yellow balls, anyone?

by Melmart1 on Jun 16, 2008 5:14 PM CDT reply actions  

He cleared everything and was released today

There’s nowhere better for a guy with Ponson’s past to pitch in than under the watchful eye of the New York media.

by Inkara1 on Jun 16, 2008 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

I would have ...

... liked to have seen that meltdown, I bet it would have been funny. Certainly more entertaining than summer reruns.

by Melmart1 on Jun 16, 2008 8:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sabathia

Does anybody else find it odd that Gammons thinks the Rangers are the dark horse candidate to get Sabathia in a trade?

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 16, 2008 6:01 PM CDT reply actions  

I have two requirements

1. We don’t have to give up what Seattle gave up for Bedard
2. Contract is extended so he’s actually here and pitching for the first couple of years the Rangers are supposed to be contenders

If those two conditions are met, I’m on board with the deal

by Inkara1 on Jun 16, 2008 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Speaking of one of those requirements

There is some rumor/discussion from Seattle that Bedard could be moved to try to replace the talent haul headed by Adam Jones that they lost. One has to wonder who has the appropriate bag of talent to pick off Bedard.

"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

by Ed Coffin on Jun 16, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

Would there be any

Bigger tail-tucking maneuver than that?

by brettgardner on Jun 16, 2008 11:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Heh

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by inactive lsb user on Jun 17, 2008 1:29 AM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

there are going to be a lot of good starters on the market before the deadline and I don’t think the Rangers deal Padilla unless they are blown away.

Any deal for him would have to include a ML ready starting pitcher in return and I just don’t see that happening. If the Yanks wanted him I would demand Kennedy or Hughes, they would laugh, and I would walk away.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 16, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply actions  

Harden

Well every commentary I have seen about Harden being dealt is that Beane is going to ask for the moon. Of course, Harden is much more desirable than Padilla when looking at talent alone.

by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 16, 2008 6:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

Harden is the pitching equivalent...

of Board Game.

Huge talent but huge health concerns. If either one of them could stay healthy they would be great.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 16, 2008 6:40 PM CDT up reply actions  

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