On getting Chris Davis to the majors
There has been a line of thought that says that Hank Blalock's presence at first base will prohibit the Rangers from bringing up Chris Davis, which makes moving Blalock to first base a mistake.
Now, personally, I'd just as soon see Davis spend a little more time in AAA. Assuming he plays this evening, tonight's game will be his 100th game above A ball. He's only 22 years old. He's been working on plate control issues and cutting down his strikeouts. I don't think him spending another 4-6 weeks in AAA refining his approach at the plate would be a bad thing.
That being said...if the Rangers want to jump him to the majors right now, Blalock wouldn't necessarily be an impediment.
Let's say on Monday, the Rangers decide they want to activate Blalock from the d.l. and call up Davis. They could make room on the 25 man roster by DFA'ing Chris Shelton and sending Brandon Boggs back to AAA.
Your everyday lineup would look something like this:
- Kinsler -- 2B
- Young -- SS
- Hamilton -- CF
- Bradley -- RF
- Blalock -- 1B/DH
- Murphy/Byrd -- LF
- Salty/Laird -- C
- Davis -- DH/1B
- Vazquez -- 3B
You have a bench of Cat, Duran, and whichever of Murphy/Byrd and Salty/Laird aren't starting.
Now...that's an extremely lefty-centric lineup, and there's almost no playing time for Cat. But that's also not a long-term lineup...it is the lineup you'd be running out there until you deal Blalock or Bradley. And it allows you to get Chris Davis pretty regular major league playing time until one of those guys is moved.
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Blalock at DH
that may be their contingency plan and one I’d support if they trade Bradley.
A lot of folks here are dead set against trading Bradley, but he is the 2nd best trade chip the Rangers have (outside of Salty, age, team control for years, health, position, etc.). Trading Blalock is probably going to net next to nothing now even if he comes back and plays well. Bradley is the best hitter in the AL and comes cheap. He’s a rental which mitigates his value a bit, but he’d still bring back a nice piece of the future.
Patience is required either way. Davis will be up soon enough. The catching situation will be resolved soon enough. Feliz, Borbon, etc. will be promoted soon enough, it’s only mid-June.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 17, 2008 10:24 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure if this is what you meant...
but even as a Rental, if Bradley continues to play at this elite level for any team he’s traded to, they’re certain to pick up two early draft picks for him, if they can’t resign him.
That is just one of the reasons it won’t hurt the Rangers if nothing happens with Bradley.
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by tdi1985 on Jun 17, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except with those 2 picks
you’ll be lucky to get one decent (probablynot great) player. Generally, its better to trade for value than settle for draft picks.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 10:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry
Draft picks are not nothing, actually.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 17, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
There not nothing`
but they are significantly less than trade value most of the time. You are probably much better off trading for a player who is close to the majors, than getting 2 draft picks who may or may not get close to the majors. If you look at all picks from 16 to the end of the sandwich round, you will see a whole lot of failed bits in there.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 10:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there vs they're...
... and i thinkt he picks are significant for the team we are trading the game to… enough to mitigate the players they’ll have to give up to get him and his OBP…
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by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 12:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'd rather
get someone much closer to the majors than a draft pick. You know so much more about a player who has been a pro for a couple of years than you do about draft picks, it’s a much smarter bet.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 17, 2008 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that
but my point was more along the lines, that it’s not a complete loss… especially for a team that trades for Bradley and can’t resign him.
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by tdi1985 on Jun 17, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking at draft picks more from that angle.
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by hightowersmith on Jun 17, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah, yes
Well, a win-now team might take that into consideration. And with Bradley, being a rental might be preferable given his injury history.
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by t ball on Jun 17, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course
it all hinges on him continuing to play this well. From what I remember, Gagne was only a type-B this off-season.
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by tdi1985 on Jun 17, 2008 11:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
right.
is it a foregone conclusion that he’s an A?
what is the criteria – exactly?
by sam in so cal on Jun 17, 2008 11:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The criteria is that he is in the top 30 percent
of players at his position category (OF, DH, 1b).
How Elias does those ratings I’m not entirely sure, but considering his OPS+ last year was 153 and this year is 191, he’ll certainly be a type A, regardless of how he finishes this year. Remember Gagne was injured most of the year before, so he must not have had the cumulative stats necessary.
by JBImaknee on Jun 17, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
injury
Gagne missed practically the entire year two years ago which affected his FA status. MBs year last year was good enough that along with this he will be a type A
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gagne also tanked in Boston
for whatever that’s worth
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 17, 2008 11:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with ya Tball
but only b/c it works best for the club right now in its current situation and its long term plan. if we were in Seattle’s situation, id be more inclined to take picks, and if i were a contender with a deep system id prob take the picks. but we are starting to see young kids on this club and they need help in the next couple seasons to bridge the gap to our A ball guys. thats what makes prospects more valuable to me than the picks.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You also don't know what draft picks you are getting.
The Rangers have been lucky in recent years to lose guys to good teeams. This results in getting the teams’ 1st pick (16-30) and a supp pick (say mid 40s). Draft picks are great if you know that a team in the top 15 of the league will sign him. But if he goes to a Kansas City, Pittsburgh, or San Diego (a strong possibility), he would end up netting you a 2nd rounder (50-65) and a supp pick (31-50). I’d be very wary of saying that two extra picks between 31 and 65 are worth getting very excited about. Take prospects unless you KNOW he is going to sign with a good team next year.
by JBImaknee on Jun 17, 2008 11:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Diego?
Im pretty sure Milton has had enough of San Diego. Trusting a coach who tore your ACL is pretty hard to do.
baseBALLIN!
by kevzta on Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
again...
...the only way Bradley should be traded is for an elite pitching prospect in the upper minors.
by oc on Jun 17, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see
what Milton’s value is to other teams. I am not sure his value is not perceived to be quite a bit higher by the Rangers than by some other teams. He can not play the outfield on a regular basis yet and rightly or wrongly has his past to live down. I am not sure many teams would be interested in giving him a long term contract for double digit millions or trading a top prospect for him. Just hope it works out best for the Rangers and Milton.
by Jea103 on Jun 17, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley
He has the highest EQA in baseball.
In 61 games: .329 | .451 | .630 OPS
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 17, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
american league.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 17, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about
we cut Cat and keep Boggs up instead if this were to happen. Cat will never be used in the outfield with Byrd and Murphy available and will never be the DH for this team. What if any trade value does he have?
by meatbonelefty on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
You make a good point
he doesn’t have much value with Hamilton and Murphy as the left-handed hitters in the OF, and then you’ve got Davis and Blalock playing 1B/DH, both LH. There really would be very few opportunities to play him. The only reason you keep him on the team right now is out of respect.
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by tdi1985 on Jun 17, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we don't
want to eat his contract this year and next. It sucks because he can contribute, but he’s a puzzle piece that just hasn’t found its place. Thank God we had him though or BB would probably still be with us…
by corbsclinton on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He probably can contribute more
elsewhere. He doesn’t fill any defensive slots, and he can only hit righties, and the lineup is stacked with guys who can only hit righties.
If you could trade his contract and get a Dr Pepper and a bag of cornnuts in return, it would be a good deal.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better be
jalapeno corn nuts.
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by Escher on Jun 17, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BBQ
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by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or you could trade
Cat for the unfathomable riches a 750 OPS, non defensive player would bring.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 10:25 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
some guys are sluggers, some guys arent.
cat isnt a power guy, but as a lefty coming off the bench, im not sure there are other guys id rather have with a bat in their hands.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
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"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
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by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Back in the days
when he was a .370-.400 OBP, that might have been true. Now he is a .350 OBP guy with limited power, and he only can hit righties. Which would be fine, if we needed guys who could hit righties. This lineup really needs guys who can hit lefties. Sammy Sosa would be a better fit for this club than Cat.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sammy Sosa
there aren’t many things that Adam will ban people for, but saying the Rangers should have Sosa would probably tempt him. (I happen to agree with you though – this team is pathetic against lefties, and Sosa was quite dominant against them last year…)
by JBImaknee on Jun 17, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
It would be tough to argue that a guy without much defensive value who can hit lefties isn’t worth a ton more to this team than a guy without much defensive value who can only hit righties.
Cat was a bad signing, he has been in decline, and the way the team has developed has made him superfluous even if his bat recovered.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading
Some interesting thoughts
by Zack Morris on Jun 20, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like a week or two ago
he was a 370 OBP. So it was true a week ago but not now?
by Brett Perryman on Jun 17, 2008 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really think
at the end of the year, he is a .370 guy?
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 4:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
I think he could be if he got the right kind of PT, almost all of the time against RHP and almost no ABs against lefties. I wouldn’t bet my car on it though.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 17, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Put him on Waviers soon
and take the best offer.
by SanDiegoKev on Jun 17, 2008 5:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Murphybyrd and Saltylaird
Murphybyrd sounds like a city to me.
Q: Where do you live?
A: I live in Murphybyrd, TX.
Saltylaird sounds like some sort of drink or some weird pretzel type thing.
Q: What can I get you?
A: I’ll have a Saltylaird and a bowl of peanuts please.
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by Escher on Jun 17, 2008 10:28 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bradley
you can’t pencil him in every day at RF. At least I’m pretty sure you can’t. Which is fine, it just means that Davis is going to be sitting a bit more than you make it sound
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 17, 2008 10:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
bradley in RF or gone
those are his 2 options. its very obvious that the rangers are pimping himm out in RF right now to prove to potential buyers that he can play their regularly without any negatives. i tend to think he goes, but if he doesnt he cant just be a DH
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
the guy is leading the league in every ratio stat and you don’t want him because he can’t be an every day fielder?
i have no problem with the current DH situation of bradley tearing it up and then occasionally playing badass defense.
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 17, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i love what bradley has brought and MB said himself he wants to play in the field every day as he gets healthier
but other than the last 11 weeks, he has been an injury prone emotional and mental trainwreck his whole career. Its like buying an old car that was in a barn for 200 bucks and selling it 2 months later for 1M buck. ifor the rangers this is as good as it gets.
now you guys can all get attached, you can ignore history, you can ignore that he’s been hurt his whole career, you can ignore that he’s been run out of 7 teams in 9 seasons or something like that, as well as ignore that he’s playing way over his head so far this season. sell me and yourself on how great having MB around for the rest of his career as a ranger . but your just lying to yourself if you expect it to work on any level long term.
get MB regular time in the OF and show he can be healthy and effective there and trade him for some good young pitching. trade TT and Duran and a High A arm for another high tier young pitcher.
thats how this team is gonna win. scoring runs isnt the problem and wont be in the future. the other team scoring lots of runs, thats the problem and its why until we get good pitching we dont have much of a chance at all.
but by all means, sign MB long-term and who needs pitching?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 10:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
supposed to say (after the weird coding happens)
for some young high quality pitching, trade a TT and a duran and a high A arm for another young high quality pitcher.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't see what your post has to do with keeping Bradley at DH
if the rangers trade him, they trade him. if they don’t, there’s no reason he needs to also be able to play RF. He’s just fine as an everyday DH, occasional RF.
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 17, 2008 11:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with bradley at DH...
he goes to the clubhouse and watches the home teams’ broadcasts…
by sam in so cal on Jun 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two Questions
That I really do not know the answer to.
Is Texas currently the most left-handed lineup in MLB? Would it be with this proposed lineup?
Is it possible that Bradley’s value is so high based on performance right now, that it may not be possible to get equal return? This is a though that I had from the pitching thread. If a player is good enough to be of equal return for Bradley, that player is probably considered untouchable, right? So how do you get a value return for trading board game?
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by LBBRangerFan on Jun 17, 2008 10:33 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
equal return
There are lots of ways for equal return. You have to give variables like years until free agency, level they are currently playing at, stats at that level, position played vs need, etc. a value and then equate it to the player proposed. obviously not an exact science, but usually the reason why its never a 1 for 1.
by corbsclinton on Jun 17, 2008 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that is kind of my point
a few posters have said that they would like a ML ready #2 starter for Bradley. I would agree that this would appear to be an even trade, however, I do not think that there is a team out there that would do this. So, I guess, I am asking, what would be a reasonable trade return for Bradley that is somewhat feasible and would not make most of the posters here at LSB go bananas.( Tough order I know.)
Maybe ML ready bullpen arm and another AA starter? I honestly do not know.
I am just curious what the expectations are for the potential return for Bradley are.
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by LBBRangerFan on Jun 17, 2008 10:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I would think
a team with excess bull pen arms would be a good place to start. As far as getting the starter I would think they would first look at guys that started this year at AA and got promoted based on performance to AAA (like Harrison) and work their way down. Best guess if they were looking for a young starter and a MLB bullpen arm in return which I think would be close to equal return.
by corbsclinton on Jun 17, 2008 11:05 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to B-R.com
Texas is third in plate-appearances by left-handed batters:
(team, PA, AB)
NYY: 1661 1478
NYM: 1660 1462
TEX: 1537 1362
Lucky for me (without a B-R subscription) Texas is in the top 3 for that category, when sorting by teams.
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by tdi1985 on Jun 17, 2008 11:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
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by LBBRangerFan on Jun 17, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Modification
Vs. Lefties:
Blalock 3B
Davis 1B
Bradley DH
Boggs RF
Cat Trade/DFA
Is that possible, or are the Rangers pretty dead set on not playing Blalock at 3B at all, even if it would be beneficial to the team in a temporary Vasquez platoon situation?
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 17, 2008 10:47 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Except Blalock
has never been particularly good against lefties. This team could really use a guy on the bench who can hit lefties.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
true
but short-term I think we’re kind of locked into him playing every day. I don’t expect Blalock to be here at all past this year.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 17, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random thought
How much bonanza could well played trades of Saltalamacchia and Bradley get you?
Between Boston, with some injury question marks for both Papi and Manny, and Tampa, which could use some offense, I think there’s a nice market for Milton.
Saltalamacchia’s market I’ve given less thought to.
I’m just luxuriating in the thought of two well executed trades.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 17, 2008 11:12 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salty at this point is clearly still a bit of a work in progress
So to that end, could we trade him for an established pitcher that could help immediately at the deadline? I know we aren’t trying to win now – nor do I think we should – but it seems like a trade like this would have obvious benefit to us (and a rebuilding club in need of a franchise catcher) while kind of reassuring fans (and Michael Young) that we’re serious about contending very soon.
If we brought back a MLB-ready pitcher for Salty, I think you could more easily justify a Bradley trade to the fanbase and to the team, although I personally would rather see him extended.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 17, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you trade Boston
Salty and Bradley for Buchholz and a couple of their young kids on the farm?
A few weeks ago this was discussed, and it was kind of a mixed response. I seriously think about that deal at this point (the Rangers aren’t winning this year, and we do need to unclog some of these areas), and I’m sure that they may consider it as well – the Yankees are vulnerable but looking to make a big move for a Burnett or Sabathia, and TB has held in there – Boston may feel necessary to compensate for the loss of Ortiz with a big move of their own…
by JBImaknee on Jun 17, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think they do Salty and Bradley for Buchholz
if they would, we do that in a heartbeat…
by Agreen07 on Jun 17, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting...
If they throw in another highly regarded arm (Masterson, Bowden), I’d do it. So, model it on the Detroit/Florida deal this past winter.
That’s a lot of good pitching depth, ostensibly enough to turn some of it around again if need arises.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 17, 2008 12:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not that it's illogical...
But I think it’s interesting that Adam thinks that one of Blalock or Bradley is getting traded. Sure, it makes a lot of sense, but you could make arguments against both (Bradley being too valuable to the team and Blalock not having enough trade value).
What I would love to see happen is them to trade Bradley and then sign him to a 2 yr (option 3rd) in the offseason. Trading him means that the Rangers most likely won’t finish in the top 15 teams, which means the first round pick is protected. And the next 2-3 years is when I really want him, not necessarily this year. This is supposed to be a rebuilding year.
by GhettoBear04 on Jun 17, 2008 11:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to think
that trade value or not, Blalock is not likely to build much more trade value before his contract with the Rangers expires, and, because he has become injury prone, its not worth the $6.5 to re-sign him next year, so you might as well get whatever you can for him.
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 17, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
I hate to think like that, also, but a sunk cost is a sunk cost.
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 17, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love it...
after we fall out of the playoff race I want Harrison up here too.
by Agreen07 on Jun 17, 2008 11:46 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreen
you need to keep your left arm straighter.
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by Escher on Jun 17, 2008 11:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw
another person with this same critique…...
FWIW I think his left arm is MUCH straighter than the average golfer out there.
Please forgive any and all typos, mispellings, etc.
Your kindess in this matter is appreciated.
by red shoe ranger on Jun 17, 2008 11:57 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was just
friendly advice.
I agree though, his arm is quite a bit straighter than a lot of other golfers out there.
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by Escher on Jun 17, 2008 11:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is relatively straight
but it wasn’t a driving range, rather a chipping range only about 40 yards max so I don’t want my arms to be too stiff cause the shot requires some feel.
by Agreen07 on Jun 17, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyways
it was the first time I had played in a while…I used to be pretty good though, played golf in college (d3 but nontheless).
by Agreen07 on Jun 17, 2008 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops I meant to first reply with:
It was just a chipping range, not a driving range so the shot required some feel so I didn’t want too much tension in my left arm.
by Agreen07 on Jun 17, 2008 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd probably dominate
well, maybe get 2nd. ed seems to play a lot.
Stats don't lie
by Longhorn on Jun 17, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes we all could get together
At Chester Ditto for a round of golf then catch a Rangers game in a suite if we all chipped in.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 17, 2008 5:08 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm up for
putt-putt.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 17, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clean-up
If Bradley’s gone at the deadline or isn’t resigned, does Chris Davis hit clean-up as soon as next year? No one else on that list is particularly awe-inspiring, although I guess you could move Murphy to 2nd or 3rd against righties and drop Josh to 4th.
by MeanMr.Mustard on Jun 17, 2008 12:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
i think...
....past perofmance dictates a bit of the forthcoming here… JD is a big fan of showcasing one year deal talent and flipping it for prospects… i think last year was about getting quantity(though there is some serious quality) and i think this year would be about quality… expect less prospects, but good ones, for guardado and the game… you can’t have milton here long term because you really need to move hamilton over to right and ease the demands on him defensively, and the draw of milton is that he is a capable defensive outfielder… JD would love to move cat and blalock, but can’t possible get enough return to justify it to fans(how many of those old damn blalock tshirt jerseys do u see at the ballpark?)...
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 12:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
for how long?...
...how soon until maxram is ready for that position?
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why should Ramirez be considered the long term solution?
why should Bradley be considered the long term solution?
by oc on Jun 17, 2008 12:51 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you normally answer yourself?
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Most people have conversations with themselves all day long, honestly.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 17, 2008 9:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe not on message boards though
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 17, 2008 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Anyone read Eckhart Tolle?
I encourage it. That’s a book that’ll change your life.
Impossible not to euphemize here…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 18, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
http://www.lonestarball.com/2008/5/15/510133/penalty-box#6145134
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 18, 2008 1:02 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
noted...
... i just think price to performance ratio is a good reason, as well as years under control…
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think clubhouse influence and leadership are equally important factors.
by oc on Jun 17, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
bradley is your leader?
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you think FOTF feels about that?
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He followed him onto the tarp...
at rainy Shea Stadium…
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 17, 2008 9:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's probably taking it one game at a time.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 17, 2008 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
zing!!
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 17, 2008 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait on Davis... Pursue Sabathia
I personally would be for waiting until August 1st and callup Davis to replace whomever we have traded. Don’t feel there is any rush. Remember they killed Laird’s trade value by commiting to Salty too early. Shelton and Cat can always go whenever a move is made.
To get pitching, since Tex supposedly turned down an 8 for 140 deal last summer, why don’t we get a deal done with Cleveland IF we are allowed to get Sabathia signed to a 7 for 140 deal.
I also wouldn’t be upset with making a deal with Boston and overpaying for a pitcher or two. They are going to be good every year anyway, so lets try and pry a pitcher or two for our benefit and then meet them for the AL pennant in 2010, 11, 12 and beyond!
I even think signing Garcia would be a nice signing. Give him August and September to get back into game shape then, after getting Sabathia (or Buchholz) you insert Garcia as the #2, Millwood as the #3 and Padilla as the #4.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Jun 17, 2008 1:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
wow
First off Lairds value has gone up since we brought up Salty
And Garcia? Im assuming you are talking about Freddy Garcia. No thank you.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, wasn't clear on that either
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Clearing it up...
Because Laird’s value is returning, that is why I would be fine trading Salty as part of any major deal for a pitcher. As far as Garcia, I am sure he will end up in New York or Boston anyway. Just a thought.
Go Cubbies and Go Rangers!
by pbpsean on Jun 17, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis needs to hit lefties consistently first
From Jamey’s report:
The left-handed-hitting Davis against left-handed AA pitchers in 2007: .229/.308/.543.Davis against left-handed AA pitchers in 2008: .276/.276/.379.
Davis against left-handed AAA pitchers in 2008: .286/.348/.667.
The sample size at AAA is too small to prove that Davis can now hit lefties.
by cstorm15 on Jun 17, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
sample size
Well just how small is the sample size? Just based on those numbers he is learning and not only learning but doing so while showing power against lefties. I know its a small sample size but just how small are we talking about
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only 21 at bats at AAA
6 for 21 with 2 doubles, 2 homers, 1 walk, and 6 Ks
by cstorm15 on Jun 17, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
How about his splits last year and this year in AA. I don’t know where to find this info or I would on my own
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those arnt really too bad.
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 17, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd thought
I don’t think that trading Bradley or Salty will be as easy as trading Laird and Catalanotto.
First off, I think that the asking price for Bradley or Salty would be too high. And that’s not where you make money. Sure, Salty and say Jose Vallejo and Joaquin Benoit for CC Sabathia would be a great trade for us. (and maybe even for Cleveland). but its not a likely scenario.
Our best bet is to do a Lofton type dump starring Laird or Cat. Not ask for anyone off the major league roster, or if so, a marginal bullpen arm, and picking up a prospect in return. Laird could help alot of teams out there. but for us, he’s pretty superfluous
by iblum on Jun 17, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ahem
Sure, Salty and say Jose Vallejo and Joaquin Benoit for CC Sabathia would be a great trade for us.
That woudl be a terrible trade for us.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 17, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
smoking crack any?
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 2:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it would be terrible..
To be fair... You are a fan of School of Rock so your ability to judge anything is VASTLY overrated!!!!
~King Billy Royal, Minor League Ball
by ivysafety39 on Jun 17, 2008 2:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
He’s a free agent at the end of the season.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 17, 2008 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im aware of that blogmaster
i was under the assumption that the only possible way that the rangers would ever consummate a trade for CC would be based on the concept that he was already signed to an extension. i believe 72 hours is the precedent set. If the question is why would you trade for him and not have a deal lined up and then he walks…
well yeah, that would be dumb as shit to give up all those guys, not have a deal in place and then he walks. but only a complete jackass of a franchise would even consider that as an option.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 17, 2008 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way he'd do that
Unless you absolutely blew the Big Mac wrappers out of his socks with an offer so lucrative it would make Barry Zito sit up and say, “Whoah, broseph.”
He’s this close to hitting the open market, there’s no reason he’d want to sign for anything less than a gross overpayment right now.
Any team trading for CC is doing it knowing full well the man is a rental.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 17, 2008 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if we had a window to sign him before it was official?
Bring up Justin Smoak
by DSheppard on Jun 17, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't going to sign him mid-season...
...without giving him more than he could ever expect to get as a free agent. That isn’t going to happen. Talking about deals in the middle of the year that are contingent on a f.a. to be signing an extension is silliness.
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 17, 2008 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone want to cite precedent here?
I’m too lazy to look it up myself.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 17, 2008 9:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
there is none.
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
~ The Immortal, BG
by Chase Irwin on Jun 17, 2008 9:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis...
I fall squarely in the camp of Davis needing more AAA ABs to work on his K and BB ratios. That said, if the Rangers are seriously thinking about competing next year (and I think they are), there is something to be said for Davis coming up after the ASB and getting 200 or so MLB ABs under his belt this year. That way Davis can get through the adjustment period and be ready to roll next year.
by Topgun22 on Jun 17, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Cap him at 130
Let him win ROTY next year.
by venturafearsnolan on Jun 17, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
callups
I have to be honest, I didn’t think we’d see this much of German and Boggs this soon…and while they’re not dominating, I think they’re holding their own…and major league experience is pretty valuable. So we’ve got Hurley up now, and the Davis call-up thread now…what others can we be looking for:
Matt Harrison – lefties are preferred in Arlington, and he seems to have higher upside than Gabbard – I can’t wait to see if he’s any good
Thomas Diamond – could we see him in a bullpen role at some point later in the year, or are we going to keep him as a starter and see if we can plug him in next year?
Joaquin Arias – any chance he sees the majors in September callups, just to see what he’s got?
Taylor Teagarden – if we trade Laird, any chance he sees the majors towards the end of the year?
Max Ramirez – would it be too fast to elevate him to the majors if he is promoted and rakes at AAA soon?
Nelson Cruz – currently the best minor league hitter in the Rangers organization, which is saying something…does he get a 3rd chance?
John Mayberry – probably another year away…any chance of a September callup if trades work in his favor?
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 17, 2008 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
prospects
Harrison – As long as he keeps up his development he will be up no later than September 1st. Hes already on the 40 man
Diamond – Just coming back form injury. I think we keep him as a starter in the minors but I do think he comes up in September to get work out of the pen. Hes already on the 40 man
Arias – Hopefully his shoulder continues to get stronger. If it does and he can be a utility guy he will get a look in September. Hes already on the 40 man
Teagarden – Will most likely be added to the 40 in September and called up no matter what our catching situation is. Not currently on the 40 man but will have to be added by this winter
Ramirez – I think they keep him as a catcher as long as possible if for nothing else to maximize his trade value should a team target him. But hes another that will be up in September at the latest. Hes already on the 40 man
Cruz – Will probably get another shot. But it will take a position opening up either through trade or injury. Hes out of options so if he comes back up he will probably stay through the end of the year. Hes got to perform though even if he doesn’t get consistant at bats. Not on the 40 man
Mayberry – Will probably have to wait until September to get his shot. Hes just like Teagarden in he has to be added this winter. But if a position opens up I think the Rangers will go with Cruz before Mayberry. Should see him in September though
Another guy who we should get a look at sometime this year is Madrigal since he is already on the 40 man roster. Probably not until September but we should get a look.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 6:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice...
so by September 1, we could be fielding a team like this (assuming Bradley, Cat, Laird, Blalock, Guardado are traded):
1. Kinsler 2B
2. Murphy RF
3. Young SS
4. Hamilton CF
5. Davis 1B
6. Saltalamacchia C
7. M. Ramirez DH
8. Boggs LF
9. Duran 3B
Bench: Mayberry, Arias, Cruz, Vazquez
SP: Millwood
SP: Padilla
SP: McCarthy
SP: Hurley
SP: Harrison
Bullpen: Wilson, Benoit, Francisco, Wright, Rupe, Diamond, Madrigal
Add in whatever we get from the trades, and that’s a pretty nice looking, very young team…
"No, Donny, these men are nihilists, there's nothing to be afraid of."
by Walter Sobchak on Jun 17, 2008 6:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sept 1st
Assuming we make a few trades we will be a very, very, very young team come September 1st. It would be very easy to envision Young being our oldest regular starter. Also I expect to see Borbon in September even if its only for a brief look. But that has been a point of debate on here for the last week or so. It should be fun to watch
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 17, 2008 7:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Substitute Mayberry for Boggs and that's a pretty sweet lineup
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 17, 2008 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boggs
I’d rather see a Muprhy/Boggs platoon in LF with Mayberry in RF. I’m still not convinced that Mayberry is an OF at the major league level. He is better suited for 1B.
by jparks77 on Jun 17, 2008 11:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I hope you aren't basing that on his
above average speed or above average arm.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 18, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
He is very athletic but he doesn’t have above average speed and he has a strong arm but I’m not sure it grades as above-average. He doesn’t make very accurate throws. The routes he takes to balls is also an issue. Some games he looks decent and others he looks very lost.
Being athletic and having a strong arm doesn’t automatically make you a good defensive OF.
by jparks77 on Jun 18, 2008 1:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
BA
graded him as a fringe-average defended in RF. They said his arm is above-average (I was wrong) but said that he has a slow release because of his long arms. They also graded his speed as fringe-average because of his long stride and his lack of first-step quickness. The scouts I have talked to basically echoed these comments.
by jparks77 on Jun 18, 2008 1:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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