Thursday a.m. stuff
The 9th inning meltdown by our closer was a bad thing. But scoring only 2 runs, at home, against Jo Jo Reyes is a bad thing, as well. Pretty much everything from last night's game that didn't involve Eric Hurley was not good.
Hurley threw more pitches per inning than you'd like to see, but generally, he threw strikes, showed good movement on his fastball, and looked like a solid major league starter. I've invoked this comparison a couple of times in the game day threads, but Hurley really looks, to me, a lot like Rick Helling...a strike thrower who works up in the zone, who will give up some homers, and whose fastball doesn't clock in in the upper 90s but does have good movement to it.
Given how anticipated Hurley has been, I fear that folks would be disappointed if he's the next Rick Helling, but realistically, that would be a win from a player development standpoint.
C.J. Wilson said the errant throw in the 9th was his fault...Gerald Laird called him off, but he took it anyway, and ended up setting up the winning inning for the Braves.
Joaquin Benoit hopes to be able to pitch this weekend. He's been out for 11 days, with the Rangers effectively going a man short during that period.
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If Wilson
is on the mound in Yankee Stadium or Fenway in October protecting a one-run lead in the ninth, does his head explode or does he just piss his pants?
"Everybody wants the most they can possibly get for the least they can possibly do." - Todd Snider
by henryfinkel on Jun 19, 2008 10:05 AM CDT 0 recs
he does fine protecting a one-run lead
He will, of course, allow the first batter to reach base.
by RachelB on
Jun 19, 2008 10:08 AM CDT
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Smoak
For those in need of a fix, there’s a little chatter about him at minorleagueball.com
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/17/553887/logan-morrison-vs-justin-s
I am ready to see this player in the boxscores. Kind of thought we’d see preliminary personnel movements around full-season first-half conclusions.
We’ll see…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 19, 2008 10:08 AM CDT 0 recs
If Hurley becomes
Rick Helling that’s fine with me and it sounds like a good comp. I take all the hype I read about our prospects for what it is and tend to believe the national (unbiased) sources a little more.
I was worried how Hurley would do the second swim thru the line-up and sure enough he gave up back to back doubles but settled in nicely. He’s going to hit bumps in the road…he’s a rookie pitching for a really bad defensive team which means we will see some ugly outings but I like what I see for now.
"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."
by Josey Wales on
Jun 19, 2008 10:12 AM CDT
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Smoak and Ross - one theory
Signing draftees above their $lot makes Bud mad. So, you gotta pick the right time to break the news, even if it chews up a kid’s summer. See NeilRam and Borbon. Could be a long wait.
by shroomer on
Jun 19, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Callis Chat
I got the impression from the Callis chat yesterday that MLB does not announce above slot money until the very end so that other agents can’t use this information to go even higher above slot for their clients.
by Excel Hearts Choi on
Jun 19, 2008 10:42 AM CDT
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yeah august 15th or sumpn
i read that too.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
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by Jayslick on
Jun 19, 2008 10:52 AM CDT
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If they sign
Both Smoak and Ross I can wait no problem.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jun 19, 2008 10:43 AM CDT
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Hurley=Helling
I’ve said that too in the last few months, and echo the fear the many fans will be disappointed. I’ve also said that out of the whole DVD thing (plus Hurley) should be considered a rousing success from a player development standpoint.
No organization should think it’s automatic that a groupof 4 pitchers like that could turn into 4 top starters. When it’s all said and done, the Rangers might have:
- another Rick Helling, eating up 200 innings a year, saving the bullpen and keeping a team with a strong offense in games most starts.
- an MVP candidate in Hamilton knocking the hell out of the ball and playing good defense in a park that needs it.
- Another potential #2 or #3 if McCarthy can stay healthy
- We don’t know what Diamond will do, yet.
Even if McCarthy never pitches another inning and Diamond becomes just another middle reliever, this is a success in player development given the massive attrition inherent with pitchers. All this talk of the Rangers not being able to develop pitchers is silly. And the talk of not being able to keep them is only slightly less silly. You develop prospects both to play and to trade.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 19, 2008 10:15 AM CDT 0 recs
Yep,
having a pitcher who can soak up 200 IPs every year is a great value.
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by Josey Wales on
Jun 19, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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agreed
Personally, I don’t care where Hurley ends up being slotted in the rotation, just as long as he fits somewhere and can be counted on for 200 ip annually. During his development he has appeared to have the gift of durability – and there is huge value in that.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Jun 19, 2008 10:32 AM CDT
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Hurley != Helling
I don’t know if Hurley is better or worse than Helling, but he’s certainly not the same.
Helling was insanely fast-tracked through the minors, he was drafted at age 21, and in the majors at age 23 after no more than 51 minor league starts. He then spent 2 years bouncing between AAA and the majors (1995 and 1996) before being traded to Florida in the Burkett deal. People forget about that because Florida traded him right back for Ed Vosberg in August of 1997 after using him as a swing man all year. Texas got 8 more starts from him that year. Then Helling became (seemingly overnight) the 200 inning s muncher with the flyball tendencies that we knew and loved.
On the other side, Hurley was drafted out of high school and in his 5 th year, is now in the majors with 100 minor league starts under his belt. But he’s still only 22 and a year younger than Helling was in his debut.
Helling in the minors had a good strikeout rate at AA but 3 years of crappy strikeout rates at AAA before 1996, when he k’d 157 in 140 innings (after a combined 182k’s in 290 AAA innings)
Hurley’s K’ rates are 152 in 155 innings in A ball, 106 in 101 innings in High A, 107 in 125 innings in AA, and 131 in 148 innings in AAA. (with 72 in 74 this year).
I won’t go through the whole Walk rate comparison, but Hurley also has pretty good control, where Helling never did.
So, the difference is that Helling gave up homers, didn’t strike that many guys out, and walked too many, while Hurley gives up homers, strikes out lots of guys and doesn’t walk many. I’ll take door number two bob.
200 IP’s every year is nice, but 200 IP every year with 200K’s,
by iblum on
Jun 19, 2008 11:13 AM CDT
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I didn't mean
that they were exactly comparable players with similar minor league careers. Just in a general way that Hurley is not going to post ERA’s of 3.00, but is more likely to be a bulldog like Helling was and give us 200 innings with an ERA in the 4.50 range or so. He’s not an ace, but quite valuable in that way.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on
Jun 19, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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DVD + Hurley = Successful Player Development?
IF McCarthy never pitches and IF Diamond becomes just another middle reliever, Ranger player development is a success? What pitchers, still with the Rangers, have they successfully developed ?
McCarthy as a potential #2 or #3? Based on last year’s very small sample? Don’t think so. And what does Hamilton have to do with Ranger player development?
Clueless? I guess I am, because I don’t understand your argument or reasoning.
"I'm extremely complex. I'm not easy to understand." - a) Charles Manson, b) Madonna, c) Milton Bradley.
by Clueless on
Jun 19, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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development
Why do the players have to stay with the Rangers to have been successfully developed? Isn’t the point to put the best team on the field? This is just like when people start overrating a guy based on him being a “hometown” guy or something. Give me the best players period. Lets look at DVD+Hurley real quick
Danks- developed by us and traded for a more highly touted prospect of similar age. McCarthy as a potential #2 based on his minor league track record and yes last years healthy portion when he was a sub 4 ERA pitcher
Volquez- developed by us and even after screwing him up by bringing him up too soon we turned him into arguably the best hitter in the major leagues and an MVP candidate
Diamond- His ceiling is still unknown based on his injury but if he can come back he has the stuff to be a very good player
Hurley- breaking into the bigs at 22 is a nice feat and two solid starts so far. Even if he only turns into a Rick helling i call that a good job
So out of those 4 players we currently have an MVP, an innings eating 22 year old rookie, a potential top of the rotation pitcher when hes healthy, and an unknown recovering from TJ surgery. I would say that is successful development.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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i get the gist
but i don’t think we can take credit for volquez (for instance) if his last major development was switching arm slots and we had nothing to do with that
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by ab03 on
Jun 19, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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thtas not my point
we developed him and flipped him for an MVP. What he does or anybody else does with another team makes very little difference to me. If we develop them and turn them into better players then we successfully developed them enough for another team to want them and give up a good player.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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"...still with the Rangers" was intentional
Your point is valid, but the point is to develop players for YOUR OWN TEAM.
Pride in developing Danks and Volquez does absolutely nothing for Ranger fans, and obviously putting the best team on the field is not the point in this case, because it isn’t happening here.
“Give me the best players period.” I agree. How come they didn’t?
"I'm extremely complex. I'm not easy to understand." - a) Charles Manson, b) Madonna, c) Milton Bradley.
by Clueless on
Jun 19, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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McCarthy/Hamilton > Danks/Volquez
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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No disputing Hamilton's greatness to date
but your inequality is debatable…at best.
"I'm extremely complex. I'm not easy to understand." - a) Charles Manson, b) Madonna, c) Milton Bradley.
by Clueless on
Jun 19, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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ok
A healthy McCarthy & Hamilton > Danks & Volquez
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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What's really not good
Is watching Chris Shelton get regular playing time when it’s obvious he’s a big fat bag of nothing. How much longer are they going to put up with this? Are they going to let him keep playing until they’re comfortable to bring up Davis or until Blalock is finally healthy from carpel tunnel or a hamstring or whatever various ailment he has today?
Shelton just plain sucks. I’d rather see The Cat out there, at least maybe he can play well enough to garner some interest at the deadline.
by cgolden on Jun 19, 2008 10:16 AM CDT 0 recs
He's better than...
watching Broussard play.
Patience, he will be gone when Blalock or Davis are ready.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on
Jun 20, 2008 2:01 AM CDT
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The link to the Wilson story seems to be funky...
Here it is:
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by trekds9 on Jun 19, 2008 10:23 AM CDT 0 recs
Yeah
Wish I choose to go to Tuesday’s game instead of last night’s mess. I started walking downstairs after that wild pitch.
Joe Morgan: (On Jay Bruce) I think he will. He brings energy to the team, and besides that, he is a pretty good hitter.
Ken Tremendous: I like that the #1 reason he will help his team is: "energy," and the distant #2 reason is: "ability to hit baseballs."
by TheBZA on Jun 19, 2008 10:31 AM CDT 0 recs
Wilson
He really seems to be a lot like gagne, good in save situations and meltdowns in non save situations.
I still think he can be a legit closer even if he doesn’t have closer stuff, because he seems to have a closers mentality
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on Jun 19, 2008 10:40 AM CDT 0 recs
I think the opposite of CJ
He has closer stuff, but not the mentality.
Guys that really thrive on pressure usually don’t have to go around advertising it.
Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."
by tricer on
Jun 19, 2008 10:44 AM CDT
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closers stuff
see, i think cj has a good fastball, but it’s no billy wagner fastball.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jun 19, 2008 10:46 AM CDT
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Pitch Count
The first thing I looked at after the score was Hurley’s pitch count. I too thought 106 pitches for five innings was a bit much. But then I realized that this is just his second start against major league hitting. He is young, has much to learn, and will continue to make progress.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 19, 2008 10:40 AM CDT 0 recs
cj wilson
Maybe its time to let eddie close a few games and let cj see how to pound the strike zone? We really don’t have any other legit options at closer do we?
by verygrand on Jun 19, 2008 10:50 AM CDT 0 recs
I'm not sure
Eddie is a legit option either.
Well I can pretend to be Britney Spears. I'm already standing in urine and I'm with someone I don't like.
by Escher on
Jun 19, 2008 10:58 AM CDT
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Madrigl(sp)
How close is he?
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jun 19, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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September
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:02 AM CDT
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I would like to see what he can do.
As a pre cursor to next year.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on
Jun 19, 2008 11:03 AM CDT
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why is he september?
especially if the 40 isn’t an issue? I guess the real issue is that you can’t have these guys occupying spots in the bullpen if they are going to be so ineffective. You figure you need rupe and mathis as long men. But, if you can’t rely on benoit, frankie, wilson, and wright (who has pitched better lately), then you would need to drop one to bring madrigal up.
and, that’s not something easily done.
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by ab03 on
Jun 19, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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well
he has struggled a bit since going to OKC and remember before this year he had all of 72 innings of pitching experience and hadn’t been above A ball. He has maintained a high K rate in AAA and his BB rate is about the same as it was in AA but he has given up more homers and hits than he did before. I guess when I see a guy jump from A ball to the bigs in a year it remind me how badly Volquez was screwed up when we did it before. And I know its different for relievers than starters but I would just err on the side of caution with Madrigal and let him fine tune things in OKC until September when we can bring him up and put him in the best situation to succeed. I look at him as more of a next year and beyond piece rather than a this year piece
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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Also
If you call him up before Sept you’re going to start burning options.
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by Escher on
Jun 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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no
hes already burning an option because hes already on the 40 man
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 19, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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Stupid
roster rules always confuse me.
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by Escher on
Jun 19, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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BGL
Yeah, this is one of those times I wish we could hear from the horses mouth whats going on. His inability to hit the strike zone last night was disheartening. Is it pressing??? is it mechanical???
by corbsclinton on
Jun 19, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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i don’t know what it is, he looked good the first few batters then when the balls started landing in the outfield all hell broke loose.
as someone said the other day, he might be getting over tricky trying to get guys to swing at stuff outside, etc.
I’ll say again, i still feel cj is the best closer option the team currently has
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by rentz on
Jun 19, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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I agree
and think he will work it out but what I’ve been seeing is him flat missing, not being tricky or locating a pitch outside the zone in hopes they swing….when the catcher sets up inside or outside and hes 5 inches further out than where the mit is….The two ropes to right last night were the only strikes I saw him throw to those 2 batters so it got me thinking its more than just control he’s having a problem with.
by corbsclinton on
Jun 19, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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I agree
I think CJ’s the best option as a closer that’s currently on the roster but it seems like he ‘overthinks’ sometimes instead of just reaching back and throwing. I certainly don’t want him to turn into Frankie Frank but there’s got to be some middle ground somewhere.
by cgolden on
Jun 19, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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you know...
you’ve got something there. a middle ground between the two would be good.
i think frankie has closers stuff, he just seems to blow up way too often. if he added some consistency he’d be unstoppable.
"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg
by rentz on
Jun 19, 2008 11:59 AM CDT
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Would be thrilled
with a few good Rick Helling years from Hurley. Bet he’s up to stay. Last night’s lack of offense shows how much we need Milton. They pitched around Hamilton all night.
- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle
by jcAustin on Jun 19, 2008 11:04 AM CDT 0 recs
byrd hasn't been terrible in June
but didn’t really come through last night. i think the bigger problem was young
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by ab03 on
Jun 19, 2008 11:10 AM CDT
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Young is sucking.
His slumps aren’t usually this long. Finger might be bothering him.
- "If you keep hitting me you're going to break my spirit" -Bullwinkle
by jcAustin on
Jun 19, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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yes, sucking.
put anyone in that spot after kinsler and before hamilton/bardley and see how good they can become.
i contend that he is sucking worse than we know but that it is disguised by his cush spot in the order.
by sam in so cal on
Jun 19, 2008 11:34 AM CDT
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Young
yea, he might want to think about a couple of days off to give the finger a rest,
by cgolden on
Jun 19, 2008 11:36 AM CDT
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Bradley
My only thought is that if you remove Bradley from the OF/DH situation, putting Mayberry and Max in may staunch the bleeding.
Max is only slightly more mortal in June than his unconscious April and May rates. But if he becomes the swingman DH-b/u C, it gives you flexibility on the 25 to platoon Mayberry.
Yeah, who’m I kidding. I just want to see the kids, and I think Bradley will bring back a bounty. But Max is the future at DH, and he can catch, and the lightbulb seems to be going on for Mayberry.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jun 19, 2008 11:21 AM CDT
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not sure either
But at least he will pound the strike zone and maybe some of that will rub off on cj
by verygrand on Jun 19, 2008 11:08 AM CDT 0 recs
this team goes as the offense goes...
But scoring only 2 runs, at home, against Jo Jo Reyes is a bad thing, as well.
the rangers aren’t going to win many/any 2-1 2-0 games, so it seems to me that this team goes as the offense goes.
that may sound overly simplistic, but i don’t think anything has changed in the 15+ years i have been watching the team. over analyze the staff daily, but pitching still sucks. a better-than-average offense equals a team that is (barely) competitive.
blame JD. blame connors. blame wash. blame hicks. blame anybody, but nothing has changed from the days when pudge, juan, clark/palmeiro, (my personal favorite) tettleton, and rusty greer were bashing and mashing while helling and sele were trying to hold the run counts down.
i love watching the rangers, but i am tired of getting sucked back in every season with the hope of something different when all we get is the same crap recycled, repackaged and remarketed.
hurley is average at best. millwood would rather be hitting the golf ball out at dallas national (or tending to his divorce when the team really needed him). jennings completely sucks. mccarthy – not really helping the team. gabbard – he’s pretty good for a guy that’s near the end of his career (how old is kason moyer, 40?). volquez, chris young, galarraga – this team is snake bit.
hamilton – great offensive player. the rangers have four MVPs since 1996. thanks for nothing juan, pudge, a-rod.
next time CJ (and feel free to interchange his name with any other pitcher on the staff) drags his gas can out there on the mound with a box a blue tips in his back pocket, realize that the rangers will never improve until they have GOOD, RELIABLE pitching.
there. i feel better now.
go rangers, score some runs.
by sam in so cal on Jun 19, 2008 11:31 AM CDT 0 recs
no offense can be expected to put up 4+ runs every game
but you should be able to rely on your closer not giving up runs
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by ab03 on
Jun 19, 2008 11:33 AM CDT
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really?
i love watching the rangers, but i am tired of getting sucked back in every season with the hope of something different when all we get is the same crap recycled, repackaged and remarketed.
What did you expect to be different about this year? If anything the team is doing better or at the very least, as good as, expected. The hitting is slightly better and the pitching is slightly worse, what’s surprising about that?
by cgolden on
Jun 19, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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clarification
i said “the hope of something different” – not the expectation. i am a fan more than i am a realist.
there is nothing different about this year. it’s a team that cannot overcome bad pitching. if you micro analyze, then there seem to be rays of light, but the fact remains that the rangers have consistently failed to field a team that could realistically compete.
i didn’t honestly think that the team would be a .500 team this year, but if you would have asked me in 1999 “would i expect this team to compete by 2008” i would have said yes.
i guess my point is that every year we (at least i) try desperately to find positive developments that could lead to future successes, but things have NEVER panned out (with regard to pitching). as cowlishaw said, “the dvd never got delivered.”
i envision being here next year, lamenting over pitching promise gone bad – and the next year – and the next year… it’s hard to get excited about hurley giving the outfield pop fly practice when i see a pattern of failure on the part of the rangers pitching staffs for as long as i can remember.
2004 89-73
2006 80-82
yeah, it’s great that the rangers are surpassing my realistic expectations this year, but what does .500 do for you as a franchise? in 2004 and 2006 the team was all right, but in 2005 and 2007 the team sucked – oh and the team was 3rd in both 2004 and 2006.
look, i’m not trying to stir the pot. i’m just venting that it’s “second verse, same as the first” every year, and this year is no different IMO. point to all the potential, and i can point to potential gone bad four times over.
as a fan, i want more than anything for this team to win. i just get frustrated when the pitching implodes.
by sam in so cal on
Jun 19, 2008 12:02 PM CDT
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+1
Padilla is a beast!
First time here that’s been used for a Ranger pitcher, and that’s the problem.
"I'm extremely complex. I'm not easy to understand." - a) Charles Manson, b) Madonna, c) Milton Bradley.
by Clueless on
Jun 19, 2008 11:42 AM CDT
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Actually
The big hit I saw yesterday looked more like a slider he left up.
Same difference, I guess. But I saw plenty of movement on the fastball even in the later innings.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on
Jun 19, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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well the game before
I believe one of the home runs was fairly flat fastball and the other a flat slider.
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by ab03 on
Jun 19, 2008 12:14 PM CDT
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Hurley
I had to remind myself just how young hurley is last night.
he mad an awful pitch but the guy didnt look like a rookie on the mound
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by rentz on
Jun 19, 2008 12:01 PM CDT
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He mixed up the the pitches well
There were several at bats where the Braves hitter just looked completely lost
by Telegraph on
Jun 19, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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Yeah
I think Hurley has more movement on his fastball than Helling did.
by Adam J. Morris on
Jun 19, 2008 12:23 PM CDT
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Concur...
still not a bad comp though.
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by slc ranger on
Jun 20, 2008 2:04 AM CDT
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cj wilson
does there seem to be any possibility to have him as a starter again someday down the line? id rather watch him start than close and id rather him start over the likes of scott feldman.
by Andrew L on Jun 19, 2008 12:07 PM CDT 0 recs
cj wilson
I really thought he did a good job in the eighth last year maybe thats his niche?
by verygrand on
Jun 19, 2008 12:22 PM CDT
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Maybe
after several years of enduring anxiety-inducing closers Cordero and Wilson/Benoit, we need an established closer with dominant stuff like soon-to-be FA’s Brad Lidge and Francisco Rodriguez. Wilson would make a nice D. Marte-like LH setup guy.
How is Hurley going to be an innings-eater if he has thrown 106 pitches by the 5th-inning?


