Minors 6/19
by Topgun22 on Jun 19, 2008 8:16 PM CDT
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I didn't see a discussion thread up yet for today's games so....
Davis is 0-0, 2BB
Cruz is 2-2, 2B
Max Ram is 2-2, 2B
Beavan has given up 1 ER through 3 IP, with 2BBs though.
Bakersfield and Spokane both going later tonight.
Man, I can't even believe how much more excited I am about following the minor league teams this year than I have been in the past. Pure greatness!
Discuss......
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One of the better partsof my night...Minor league thread....
by laxtonto on Jun 19, 2008 8:23 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Best thing so far about this thread
2 BB for Davis.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 19, 2008 8:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Davis K'd with Cruz on 2nd...
JMJ comes to the rescue with a two out double
by laxtonto on Jun 19, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of them...
...is intentional…
by Adam J. Morris on Jun 19, 2008 9:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
what makes following the minors even more fun
is that it’s pretty apparent that there are some nice young pieces on the ML team that will be in their primes (or tradeable) when these kids are ready to make the jump.
Kinsler
Hamilton
Murphy
Salty
Duran
Boggs
C.J.
Hurley
Rupe
Greatest Inventions Ever? 1. TiVO, 2. Boobs, 3. Baseball
by willamos2 on Jun 19, 2008 8:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Incidentally
BP’s begun a status check of their top 100. I’m not a subscriber, but here’s the link for those who are.
by BudLight on Jun 19, 2008 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Ouch:
58. Elvis Andrus, SS, Rangers
Eligible Next Year? Yes
Production: .269/.328/.324 at Double-A (53 G)
Stock Report: Down significantly. Scouts are tired of hearing about how young and toolsy he is; he’s at Double-A and it’s time to produce.
by Brett Perryman on Jun 19, 2008 9:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Significantly?
That’s a bit harsh. He’s not producing, but you’d think his overall body of work (tools and age included as repetitive as it has surely become) would count for something.
by BudLight on Jun 19, 2008 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's amazing
Elvis is 5 months younger than Neftali Feliz and 2 levels up, but a .274 hitter has his stock significantly down? Really?
by FirebatM3 on Jun 19, 2008 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand it either
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 19, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm tackling Goldstein's answer right now
Hopefully I’ll have a blog entry up in a little bit here.
by jamcadbury on Jun 19, 2008 10:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And here it is
http://mvn.com/mlb-rangers/2008/06/19/elvis-andrus-and-the-curse-of-youth/
Hate mail is most appreciated.
by jamcadbury on Jun 20, 2008 12:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good take
I also think a really important indicator of success for young guys is their ability to drive the ball. Andrus has a 16% LD, the highest of his career. What’s holding him back is that 66% of the balls he puts in play are on the ground. As he gets stronger, that number will decrease, and you’ll see more gap power.
You’d think, after he got completely burned by his Justin Upton and Cameron Maybin predictions, that Goldstein would be at least a bit more receptive to toolsy position guys in their teens.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 12:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did I miss the comparison of his Myrtle Beach stats to...
his Frisco stats? He’s having a fractionally better start to his season in AA than he did in High A. Not to mention that he dealt with an early hip problem and a more recently broken finger.
I guess that’s the problem with a mid-season review.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 20, 2008 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Remember that Myrtle Beach is relatively pitcher-friendly, however, while Frisco (and the Texas League in general) is a bit more hitter-friendly. Don’t have the exact park factors in front of me, however.
by jamcadbury on Jun 20, 2008 2:10 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's notable to me
that Andrus has maintained all of his rate stats while advancing a level at that young age.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 20, 2008 7:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another
62. Engel Beltre, OF, Rangers
Eligible Next Year? Yes
Production: .271/.296/.399 at Low-A
Stock Report: Down a touch. His tools remain out of this world and he’s just 18, but his approach is so awful (49 Ks against five walks) that he becomes a bigger project than was originaly expected.
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 19, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
finishing it off
unchanged on main (obviously), really high on davis (obviously), slightly lower on TT because of drop in power and arm strength
Rare Gnats Sex
by ab03 on Jun 19, 2008 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
49 ks 5 walks? wow.
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 19, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Davis has a SB
to go along with the 2 BB.
"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley
by boomer1 on Jun 19, 2008 9:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
From BA's AAA dish this morning
Davis, also 22, kept his 14-game hitting streak alive in Oklahoma’s 13-9 win against Nashville. But he didn’t settle for a couple singles—instead he blasted two home runs in five at-bats, driving in four and giving him nine Triple-A round-trippers and 22 total on the year. He’s crushed five home runs in his past five games and now is hitting .356/.410/.733 for the RedHawks in 90 at-bats.
Prospect Nuggets
Oklahoma C Taylor Teagarden (Rangers) was 1-for-4 with a home run (five), two RBIs and two runs. Defensively, he allowed a passed ball and caught one of two basestealers, making him 10-for-35 (29 percent) on the year
by laxtonto on Jun 19, 2008 9:20 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
BA's AA daily dish
Frisco (Rangers) righthander Thomas Diamond’s return to the mound continued last night, although it hasn’t been easy after a year off following Tommy John surgery. Yesterday Diamond allowed five hits, three walks and three runs in five innings. Diamond struck out four, giving him a 27-22 K-BB ratio and a 6.08 ERA in 26 2/3 innings through six starts
by laxtonto on Jun 19, 2008 9:24 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Beaven
Got himself into a spot of trouble in the 6th, but struck out the side (I think) after giving up an unearned run. He doubled his walks total for the season tonight, giving up 3 in 6 innings.
As always, I hope someone finds out what his velo was for this start.
by LiamP on Jun 19, 2008 9:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Low A MILB box scores...
get screwed up often… Beavan came out after 5 IP. It was Dennis who hit the rough spot and struck out the side in the 6th.
No idea on velocity.
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 20, 2008 12:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who out of the DSL box scores from today i should be looking at?
Im not hip on the young Latinos like some other guys, so i dont know who i should be excited about in the DSL today
by laxtonto on Jun 19, 2008 11:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few guys
RHP Pepe Sibid (6’0’’ 200) 7Ks in 6 IP
1B/C Alison Perez (.375/.407/.458)
2/5 today
Switch hitting catcher Tomas Telis went 1/4
by jparks77 on Jun 19, 2008 11:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kiker's final line
5.2 IP
5 H
3 ER
5 BB
8 K
1 HR
by jparks77 on Jun 20, 2008 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
rough, but 8 ks is a nice silver lining
Bring up Chris Davis
by DSheppard on Jun 20, 2008 12:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How am I supposed to feel about that?
It seems like every positive has a negative to counter it. It seems obvious that he didn’t actually pitch.
by brettgardner on Jun 20, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A couple of broken bat singles
just one of those bad Kiker days.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 12:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad days
Kiker has actually pitched better than his statistical line would indicate. His fastball consistently breaks bats but he gives up dinky infield hits that cloud the overall line. He was a little wild tonight but his stuff is very good. I’d like to see hi aggressively promoted to Frisco before the year is out.
by jparks77 on Jun 20, 2008 12:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Kasey
to go to AA, someone not named Neftali Feliz would probably have to move up to Bakersfield.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 12:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is entirely possible
I wouldn’t rule out Holland or Gomez.
by jparks77 on Jun 20, 2008 12:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heh
non-prospects but general good guys Truan Mehl and K.C. Herren hits their first homers of the season for Bakersfield.
Mario Gomez also homers, tied 8-8.
Julio Borbon is 2-4
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 12:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That brings Herren's XBH total to...
5
by NoNameOnCard on Jun 20, 2008 12:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey mjh
what do you think about Whittleman’s recent struggles? Is there a reason behind his power drop?
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 1:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was confusing that he thought NoName was MJH
at least I think that’s what happened. Again, I’m confused.
by Dirk Diggler on Jun 20, 2008 12:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
vallejo
singles, steals 2nd, steals 3rd, scores on a sac fly
Blaze win!
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 12:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Vallejo = Beast
He almost makes me willing to trade Kinsler.
Almost.
by Butters on Jun 20, 2008 1:51 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Whoa, there
Vallejo had a hot April, but has really cooled off since then. You need to seriously think about what you said. You do NOT trade one of the best 2B in the league and one of the best players on your team to make room for a guy doing moderately well in high-A ball.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 20, 2008 7:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
That mindset is why I expect to get mostly votes against with regard to the Greinke idea I floated this morning.
by Jamey Newberg on Jun 20, 2008 9:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean
no on the KC side, I assume? I’d say no if I were them, just because I think they have more young bats than great young arms right now. Of course, I haven’t been paying close attention to their system, but that’s the way it seemed last fall.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 20, 2008 10:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be
cause I don’t know how you don’t make that deal from our side.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Greinke Deal..
Seemed like a lot to give up to me…. but what do I know?
by Topgun22 on Jun 20, 2008 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a lot to give up
I love me some Hurley, and I think Salty has a good chance to be a very good starting catcher.
But if you want a good young starting pitcher you have to pay for it. Look at the Haren deal. Look at what it took to get Josh Beckett. I know those guys are both more highly rated than Grienke, but it’s in the same ballpark.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 12:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Greinke
Flyballer without the high K rate. He’s young, he’s talented, he’s also got that issue which makes him a legit trade target, a la Hamilton.
I just think there’s a young pitcher available for that haul who’s better suited for Arlington.
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 20, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like who?
Maybe there is one, but I can’t think of a single guy.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 6:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yah
I know…
Best answer without looking hard: Cole Hamels.
I told you I didn’t look hard…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 20, 2008 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The guy to watch right now at 2b
is Osuna in clinton.
that dude is tearing it up. 2-4 with a double last night.
.361 for the season.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 20, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Playing devil's advocate
He is doing well, but he is older than Vallejo, too, turned 23 in April, still in low A. I’d really like to see Osuna and Gac promoted very soon to see what they can do. With Gac, though, you have to weigh what you want to do with Smoak a bit. I’d put Smoak in Clinton for a while with Gac in high-A, personally, for a few months.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 20, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the difference is like 6 months in age...
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 20, 2008 11:16 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, the difference is
a year and five months AND Osuna, the older one, is playing at a lower level.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 20, 2008 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah ur right i thought it was less than that
still that difference in age is minimal really but i agree with ya. i wish Vallejo would get back on his tear. Osuna is still hitting quite well in clinton, they both need to get promoted but if Jose struggles it clogs up 2b….
awe well i just hope for the best.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 11:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gac
The Nate Gold of the lower minors.
by jparks77 on Jun 20, 2008 11:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His June stats appear to say just that…
Go Strangers.
by hightowersmith on Jun 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
You don’t place Smoak based on Gac. Smoak is a much better prospect and his path should not be blocked or held back so a journeyman fringe prospect can play at a higher level.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 20, 2008 11:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
And if you really want Gac in High-A, send him there and let him DH while Smoak plays 1b.
Gac’s offensive progression is infinitely more important than his defensive progression.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 12:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
It might be a month before promotions. It seems like it would be worth it to keep guys like Mauro Gomez, Restko, and Tracy around as thow-ins if a trade goes down. I guess one or more could be demoted, but that doesn’t seem to make much sense given their age. If they aren’t ready to go up to AA when Gac/Smoak move into hi-A, either trade them or release them.
by rooster on Jun 20, 2008 12:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't place Smoak based on Gac
but I am already rethinking that idea. Smoak can probably start higher, and I don’t think Gac should be in his way any more than Mauro Gomez.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 20, 2008 9:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
I said almost.
I wouldn’t trade Kinsler.
and I definitely wouldn’t trade him just to make room for Vallejo. LOL…come on now. Looking back at my post I realize that I definitely should have worded it differently. I should have said “guys like Vallejo almost make me willing to trade Kinsler.” because it isn’t him specifically that makes me feel that way…it’s the ridiculous organizational depth that we have at the middle infield positions that makes me feel that way.
My line of thinking is Kinsler is probably the best trade chip that we have right now. We could get an EXCELLENT starting pitcher for him and we’d still have plenty of options for 2B for now and for the future with guys like Vasquez/Young/Arias/Duran/Osuna and yes…Vallejo.
With that being said, I still wouldn’t trade Kinsler.
by Butters on Jun 20, 2008 2:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't forget Lemon!
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on Jun 20, 2008 2:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
as a newbie to the site..
how do you find the statistics for these minor league players.. living in the northeast, i have no rangers coverage ever… someone give me some insight
"Water covers 2/3 of the world, T-New's got the rest"
by TheJman on Jun 20, 2008 11:02 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
www.firstinnig,com
www.milb.com
are to good ones to start with
by laxtonto on Jun 20, 2008 11:06 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
shroomers site
quick links to all yesterdays box scores for the entire organization.
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.my.calendars.net/farmprobs/
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Found a good breakdown of Davis' swing on minor league ball for anyone interested
by laxtonto on Jun 20, 2008 11:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Scaptacular!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 20, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good stuff.
The one thing that sticks out to me, besides the scap load, is that his hands seem more connected to his hips than the few times I saw him in Spokane. At Spokane, he had a longer swing than in that video, and even in his torrid stretches, when he would go 10 for 12 with 8 doubles and HR, he really lengthened his swing when he tried to take a pitch deep and sometimes couldn’t even catch up to fastballs that registered high 80s on the Spokane jumbotron.
I’m not the expert on swing mechanics that this author is. All I can say is that the thing that looks different to me is that when his hips swivel his hands also begin to move; whereas when I saw him in Spokane it looked to me that he kept his hands back after his hips swiveled. Keeping your hands back when your hips swivel is one way to stretch and get some power, but it also means your hands have to travel farther. Maybe he is now using a scap load rather than hip twist to stretch. Whatever the case, his swing looks more compact than before, and it seems fairly compact for a power hitter. In this video it reminds me a bit of Thome’s swing, though Thome swings even harder if that’s possible.
by rooster on Jun 20, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short stroke
Hands stay back…bat meets ball, not ball meets bat.
Very good.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
"If you ain't got no money, ain't nobody calls you honey," Bo Diddley
by Rodney on Jun 20, 2008 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rudy
Now, his swing does have some length in it, but I don’t think his swing is that long. There is a bit of noise, but it doesn’t hinder Davis much. Small adjustments may be needed but nothing substantial.
Rudy’s specialty
Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY
by RangerMad on Jun 20, 2008 12:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Carlos Pimentel
5.0 IP
2 H
1 ER
1 BB
5 K
He is going to breakout this season. Pimentel is the Castillo of ‘08.
by jparks77 on Jun 20, 2008 10:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
awesomeness!!!
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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