Reasonable Trades, play the GM
what REASONABLE moves would you make to get this team either back into contention next year below I will list some options that could present themselves and weigh in on then with a final deal or no deal type finale.
Hey it could be fun and since my last experiment didnt work that well I thought I would try a new one tonight. Go easy on me, my ambien is taking forever to kick in and may be starting to so just please bare with me.
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guardardo
for ben sheets
cat for cliff lee
byrd for bj upton
bradley for george sherrill
jfwy :)
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NIXON: NOW MORE THAN EVER
by gossamer on Jun 20, 2008 2:01 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
are you kiddin?
why Sherrill when we can get Papelbon?
by chrisR on Jun 20, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
didn't want
to make the bosox lineup even better
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by gossamer on Jun 20, 2008 12:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trade a catcher...
some options might include dangling laird for say ricky nolasco or scott olsen, marlins rhp, although other smaller pieces may need to be thrown in, probably from our side, but you never know with JD.
keep that line open and see if he can fetch a legitimate young starter, some teams are starting to get desperate and the wait it see approach could work very well.
do the same with salty, that is unless one of these two has shown management something to consider taking them off the block and trading the other one/s.
try salty plus hometown boy JMJ or Duran or arias. for grienke. Heck wonder if we threw another top prospect we could maybe get soria (doubtful and unrealistic I know)
Cat get what you can and if its nothing, than keep him, he can still play well in a platooned role sadly. Same goes for everyday, and benoit if he still has any value, though its probably better to just hold on to him and hope for the best
shelton= gone, davis=call up
bradley needs to be traded and hopefully resigned later on, but lets face it we are not contending, we are pretending. Its a step up no less, just not a very big step. The big one happens next year so lets give the kids an extra few months to get ready for that.
trade bradley- contingent upon the return value. Im not going to guess players , weve already done that, but a lot in return is what I would expect or nothing.
by rchawk12 on Jun 20, 2008 2:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Salty + JMJ for Grienke
That’s ridiculous.
I don’t want to be mean, but go run that idea by some folks on a KC message board and watch the “OMG, STFU, LOL”’s pile up.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 2:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont think its as far off as they would say
however, it would probably take more to get it done, another prospect or two. The fact of the matter is that they want young positional prospects and in terms of catching, there isnt a better one in the minors/minor league ready and somewhat available. If they want a catcher, this is the guy they should be targeting.
you could try and cash it all in at once and trade TT, andrus, and a young major league pitcher like gabbard/mendoza, or mathis. That would be a pretty stout deal that would at the very least get the talks going. You could low ball them and substitute duran for andrus and throw in a lower level prospect, but I doubt that gets it down.
they get 2 young ready/near ready players at positions they need filled plus a pitcher who can eat up innings as the replacement to greinke.
Then you can try and trade salty in a package for a marlins pitcher as they are in dire need of a catcher and have plenty of pitching from andrew miller, ricky nolasco, scott olsen (preferably, but unlikely).
Let me just say that I like salty the best of our catchers, however there is no denying 1 man 6 tools and we could always call up ramirez and let him back him up, keeping his value at C , but also letting him DH a few days a week as well.
by rchawk12 on Jun 20, 2008 2:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
re:
you could try and cash it all in at once and trade TT, andrus, and a young major league pitcher like gabbard/mendoza, or mathis.
I think you’re way underestimating what a good young established pitcher like Grienke is worth.
IMO, you’re looking at Salty, Andrus and Hurley to get him. Maybe more. And I’d do it. The idea of adding Grienke, then possibly adding Sheets or Sabathia in the off season makes my pants fit a little tighter, if you know what I mean.
1. Sheets/Sabathia
2. Grienke
3. Millwood
4. Padzilla
5. BMac/Feldman
DROOL
But the real fact of the matter is that they aren’t dealing Grienke unless they get absolutely bowled the F over, and I’m not sure we’re at the point where we want to start bowling people over to acquire a player via trade.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 2:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
first off
you took that quote out of context, but seeing as how you dont use any presupposition from it thats cool. What I was saying is that how trading 2 catchers and a few prospects if need be can get you two young starters, not necessarily stars, yet, than coupled with millwood, padilla, and hurley, you wouldnt even need cc or sheets. They might be nice to have so you could trade someone else and get some more prospects, but its better to fix those holes now than run the free agent gauntlunt that has no guarantees.
Just because you have to offer three prospects, doesnt mean you have to offer three of your best. There is such a thing as lowering the level of talent. Whether that would work only kc will know.
by rchawk12 on Jun 20, 2008 2:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jamey asks:
What about Hurley, Salty, JMJ and Madrigal for Grienke?
by brettgardner on Jun 20, 2008 8:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like it, except I would want to see what we got with Madrigal
I might would counter with Hurley, Salty, JMJ, and Arias
by DirtyDawg on Jun 20, 2008 8:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I always hate the idea of giving up my beloved prospects
so that deal would kill me.
But I’d do it in about half a second.
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by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
the catch there is the local media would swarm all over trading away yet another solid pitching prospect for a young proven pitcher. one of those things that has to absolutely 100% work out or its a failure.
dont get me wrong, i’d do that deal in a heartbeat
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by rentz on Jun 21, 2008 6:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prolly not the right pieces. That is getting close.
I floated the following idea over at Royalsreview awhile back:
Salty, Hurley, JMJ and maybe more.
Think about what it took to get Dan Haren and notch it down a tick. That’s a fair market value for Greinke, but Greinke has as much value to KC as Hamilton has to the Rangers, which means fair market value for Greinke is a losing deal for KC.
I’m not sure the Rangers can match up with KC to make a Greinke trade work. Though, I sure would welcome an attempt and would flipout if it could get done.
by rooster on Jun 20, 2008 11:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
why would he even ask
he must know something…
Stats don't lie
by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2008 11:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
If I knew something, do you really think I’d go on some message board with it?
by Jamey Newberg on Jun 20, 2008 1:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you still using AOL
is what’s funny.
Stats don't lie
by Longhorn on Jun 21, 2008 2:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheets/Sabathia
I’m all for hope but I’m curious why people think that the rangers would pony up or that either would sign here. I suppose I’m jaded but I have a hard time thinking that is going to happen
by thedudeabides on Jun 20, 2008 10:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
think of it this way
Harden, Sheets, Oliver Perez, etc. are all pitchers with top-quality stuff that for one reason (injuries) or another (control) haven’t consistently dominated. those are the types of free agent targets this team needs to make to acquire a staff ace until we start developing our own. Now if those three would normally get $20 mil, $18 mil and $15 mil, respectively, maybe we can get them to sign an incentive laden deal at $16 mil, $14 mil or $12 mil respectively (incentives kick them up to the normal value they might go for) if we offer them a long-term deal (5 years).
Now – Sabathia, that’s going to take more because he’s been consistently healthy and pretty productive
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 20, 2008 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can't give up Andrus
WIth our current SS situation, you can’t give up Andrus unless you have another shortstop that can take over for the FOTF. Next year, Young has to be the third baseman. Unless you think Duran or Arias can play everyday at SS, you can’t move Andrus.
by DirtyDawg on Jun 20, 2008 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
Take off your burnt orange glasses bud.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 20, 2008 11:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
It doesn’t take burnt orange glasses to see a just-turned 20 y/o putting up a .408 OBP in A+.
No reason to rule out the power or defensive ability, just yet. Give him time.
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 20, 2008 11:40 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
I guess the fact that Andrus (who is only two months younger) is already in AA somehow reflects poorly upon Lemon. I don’t see how Lemon not being on an accelerated time schedule is in anyway detrimental.
by Excel Hearts Choi on Jun 20, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Lil’ Lemon is the shiznit.
Who knows if he can stay at SS long term, but the on base ability will play.
The 40 Trumps All!!!
by thedirkatron on Jun 20, 2008 12:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
huh?
don’t be a fucking jackass.
Stats don't lie
by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2008 12:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look in the mirror
and then take your meds. That was a massive over-reaction.
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jun 20, 2008 12:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
when people say that every single time i say something about a longhorn or want to be longhorn….do some research, then reply or don’t.
Stats don't lie
by Longhorn on Jun 21, 2008 1:01 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Please submit to the ambien
Scott Olsen is not a RHP.
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I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 20, 2008 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Padilla to Tampa
for someone.
Stats don't lie
by Longhorn on Jun 20, 2008 2:03 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thats one of two teams its just about useless to talk specifics right now
their systems are too deep leaving too many unlikely scenarios
by rchawk12 on Jun 20, 2008 2:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over/Under
75% of the trades proposed will be insane.
by LiamP on Jun 20, 2008 2:13 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Over
"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'
I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 20, 2008 11:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
More like 90%
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 20, 2008 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
heh
Ambien is fun.
Anyhoo…I’ve always thought that the Brewers are a good trade partner so here’s one.
Brewers get:
- Gerald Laird
- Marlon Byrd
- Zach Phillips
- Michael Schlact
Rangers get:
- Cole Gillespie
- Zach Braddock
- Bobby Bramhall
by Butters on Jun 20, 2008 2:22 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
dont know anything about most of those brewers guys
never even heard of the last 2, any info?
by rchawk12 on Jun 20, 2008 2:25 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
I don’t know exactly what Braddock throws but I know that Brewers fans are pretty excited about him…and judging by his player page, I don’t blame them. A lefty starter with his size and those numbers? Sign me up. Look what he did last year. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Zach%20Braddock&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=488722
As for Bramhall, we could always use more young, lefty relievers and this kid’s been great this year. http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Bobby%20Bramhall&pos=P&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=518487
by Butters on Jun 20, 2008 2:43 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the info
based on those numbers, I dont know why the brewers wouldnt jump all over that deal. THose are nice players, but I think we would be giving up way too much to get them. Heck we are trading the best, maybe 2 in terms of right now plus another two prospects for three prospects, who are nice but nothing special at the moment. Laird and Byrd/mid level prospect could get a deal like that done imo.
by rchawk12 on Jun 20, 2008 2:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm horrible at estimating trade value
But maybe Gerald Laird to the Reds for LHP Matthew Maloney?
by lonestarJon on Jun 20, 2008 3:37 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good looking stats for a minor league kid...
... no doubt, but I think Lumpy’s got a lot of value to this team. His offense has improved since the Boston series and he’s a meast behind the plate (on the baseball field and at home, hehe!). Anywho… I think Laird still has a vital role on this team, unless we can get Salty to start handling baserunners a little bit better. That is a major issue, I don’t care what anyone says.
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by SarasotaRanger on Jun 20, 2008 8:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we are going to move a catcher, it better be Salty
Bash Laird all you want, but the fact remains he is still our best option at catcher until Teagarden arrives.
by DirtyDawg on Jun 20, 2008 8:45 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that wouldn't be why or why you don't move him
move the guy with the most trade value, period. I’m fine with Teagarden at catcher, even if he turns into Barajas.
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by ab03 on Jun 20, 2008 10:37 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't realize that stating
Laird has value to this team and plays a vital role constitutes bashing him. It must be opposite day. In that case, you are smart.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 20, 2008 11:46 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that's just it
I don’t think we’ll really ever find out if Salty can improve at handling baserunners unless we give him a shot, a real one – like a good solid month or two at least behind the plate.
I realize it would be nice to keep Laird and Salty both on the team, but you can’t have your cake and eat it too – either we trade Salty without ever really finding out what he could have done with more playing time, or we trade Laird and keep the guy with the greater ceiling in Salty. And for those who’ll bitch that that plan will leave the catchers position vunerable in he majors, I really don’t think that’s the case, because Teagarden is damn close to being ready himself. Once Laird is traded, Teagarden will likely be promoted to fill the backup role, while catching 2 or 3 times a week. He’ll be there to fall back on if Salty really is as bad at ya’ll seem to think.
I know people (coughAJMcough) around here are attached to OMFT, just as I am to Salty, but he is just not gonna be a part of our long term catching solution, whatever that may be. Even if you hang onto him for the rest of this year, what then? We’re not contending for anything this year, so whatever extra wins his defense might pick us up aren’t really going to matter, and he’s just gonna get moved aside next year for Teagarden anyway.
And meanwhile, whatever return you’ll pull in for Salty will likely be diminished by his current well-publicized and much-ballyhoed defensive struggles – whereas if you trade Laird now, you’re just about garunteed to get his peak trade value thanks to the year he’s having.
Sorry, but I’ve tried looking at this from every angle, and I just don’t see why keeping Laird around for a couple extra wins this year is gonna make up for trading (and likely trading low on) Salty.
by lonestarJon on Jun 20, 2008 9:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
playing salty more is not the gamble i want to take
salty still has more trade value than laird at this point. but, playing him more is a good way to make down it completely.
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by ab03 on Jun 20, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Huh?
That makes no sense. He needs to be playing everyday, somewhere.
He gets better with consistent playing time. If he’s still around after the deadline, I would move him up in the order to see if his production won’t be maximized with better protection and better pitches to see.
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I’ll give ya something.
1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"
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by Chase Irwin on Jun 20, 2008 11:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
1-31 batting by FOTF is bad...
....having a ratio of batters thrown out within that parameter is downright awful. I’m sorry, but some of you try to downplay that like he’ll fix it or “oh, no big deal”... or what the hell ever. If that can be fixed, hell freaking yes keep his ass. He’ll likely be the future at catcher. If it can’t, his offense had better be able to keep up with those extra runs that will score as a result. I think Laird is good to have while Salt tries to fix his problem.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on Jun 20, 2008 12:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Laird's value...
has skyrocketed, I never thought I would be saying that this year either.
I think the Reds would have to throw in another player to make JD pull the trigger on that deal.
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates
by slc ranger on Jun 20, 2008 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What do the Cubs have?
Let’s assume they lose Zambrano (maybe – MRI today?). I am in no way saying Padilla approaches Zambrano, but Padilla has been awfully good this year so far. What do the Cubs have to get Padilla, if anything?
by FuturePants on Jun 20, 2008 10:04 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
well I'm wondering.....
......... if they are reinterested in Byrd now since he’s kinda been really hot here lately and Soriano still hurt, if they would be willing to do a Byrd for Rich Hill, I know he’s been dissapointing to them this year but thats how you get those guys, if he was tearing it up then he wouldn’t be available so what do y’all think about a Hill for Byrd deal?
by blueballlefty on Jun 20, 2008 10:07 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
wouldnt
they just recall rich hill?
by Agreen07 on Jun 20, 2008 10:08 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Hill
Hasn’t been so good, and they may lose a bonafide Ace with Zambrano. That’s a huge hit to try and replace with Rich Hill. I’m just speculating, not saying that they wouldn’t recall Hill, but since this is a trade thread, that’s what I was thinking about this morning.
by FuturePants on Jun 20, 2008 11:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
if there's a way to get Rich Hill...
do it.
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by Walter Sobchak on Jun 20, 2008 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Salty for Michael Bowden
I have said this before, and I am sticking to it. It is a great depth for depth/need for need scenario, and both teams benefit now and in the future. Bowden could join our rotation tomorrow, and coupled with Hurley and (dare I say) Feldman, would give us a nice group of young starters in the rotation.
Marlon Byrd is nice to have around, and he has been hot of late, but I want to see more of Nelson Cruz, and perhaps JMJ later on, so let’s send him to the Marlins (too perfect?) for Kyle Winters.
I still like the idea of sending Milton to the Rays for Desmond Jennings and Jeremy Hellickson, but we don’t really know if they will be buyers yet.
And finally, I still like the idea of trading one of Millwood or Padilla, and there are still a lot of teams looking for pitching these days. Perhaps we send Millwood off to the Braves or Phillies. For the sake of conversation, let’s send Millwood back to the Braves for Charlie Morton, who looked pretty good to me yesterday, and young LHP Jeffrey Locke and bullpen prospect Benino Pruneda.
by clark on Jun 20, 2008 10:26 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bowden makes
me drool!
"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jun 20, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowden = GOOD
TT and MB for Masteson, Bubba Bell, Michael Bowden
Derek
Signature! I don't need no stinking signature!!
by DerekSTheRed on Jun 20, 2008 10:49 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way they trade us masterson and bowden
masterson just became more valuable to them cause Schilling is out for the season/career.
by Agreen07 on Jun 20, 2008 10:56 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like those deals...
except for the Millwood trade. Not sold on Morton and Locke.
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by slc ranger on Jun 20, 2008 2:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morton and Locke
Morton is a strange case. He came on strong last winter and has been stellar so far this year, thanks to some vastly improved stuff. I think he is a fairly solid bet to match Millwood’s numbers for the rest of Millwood’s contract, and actually reminds me a bit of Millwood in that he seems like a durable pitcher who can log 200 innings and rack up quality starts without “ace” stuff. Locke is a strikeout/groundout lefty, and while he has some worts and has struggled a bit this year, he is the sort of player who could be untouchable in a year or two.
by clark on Jun 20, 2008 3:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah you're right
Thing is if you trade MB, the other team gets 2 first rounders. It seems a bit lopsided the other way if it’s just Masteson or Bowden.
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by DerekSTheRed on Jun 20, 2008 11:11 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually would look to be a buyer and seller....
1.I’m not in on Sabathia because I don’t think he will resign here, and for the package that it will cost….I must have a multi-year deal from him.
2.I would look to add an arm to the bullpen….I would target only guys that we have control of for multiple years…I like the list that Jamey threw out: Scott Downs, Heath Bell, Damaso Marte, Jon Rauch. I would be willing to part with a few prospects for a solid reliever over the next few years
3.I would look to deal Laird or Salty in a package for a young starter with potential.
4.I only trade Bradley if we are overwhelmed with a deal….if no takers I offer arb. to either secure he services for next year (most likely) or get 2 picks.
5.I keep Millwood and Padilla….it is hard enough to find 5 pitchers that can eat innings and keep us in games, I would not mind having them back next year….maybe as our 32 and #3 starters.
by clinton33 on Jun 20, 2008 11:36 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Bah
the idea that we trade Salty to keep Laird is dumb. Honestly, you don’t sell the 23 year old in order to keep the 28 year old in his career year. We just got done with a series where the opposing backstop is Brian McCann, who is frankly one of the worst defenders at C in the league, but do you think the Braves are going to use someone else? No. That’s because defense at catcher is heavily overrated, especially when the said defense Gerald Laird provides is largely a product of his arm.
If Saltalamacchia can put up a .900 OPS behind the plate, he’ll have value as a player and as a trade bait. You don’t cut ties with a young player right now in order to keep your extremely inconsistent catcher from last year.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 2:00 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah you do
if you have 23 and 24 year olds who are nearly ready in the minors. Laird is not old by any means and if we didn’t have any of the others we would still be confident that Laird can handle catching duties for 4-5 more years before he seriously starts to decline. His offense may not be great but with his defense he is a more than capable backstop to handle this club in the future
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by bigsteve on Jun 20, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
I don’t care how good Salty is at the plate if he lets runners run all over him and this pitching staff then unless he can knock in 2-3 runs per game to make up for what he gives up then he is hurting this team
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 20, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No you really don't
Not when the 23 year old guy is struggling at the plate and is at his lowest value. Laird has 2 years left here. He’s a Boras guy without strong ties to the organization. he’s a guy that’s sucked his full year as a starting C. He’s a batting-average dependent decent pop catcher. That has value if our team is going to compete now, but we’re not.
This whole overemphasis on base runners is idiotic. If Brian McCann can get a job catching full time in the National League, if Giovanni Soto can be allowed to catch almost every day and if 1/2 the catchers in the majors right now are horrible defensive catchers, Saltalamacchia will have value as long as he hits, and has good receiving skills.
You trade Salty when he has greatest value, that’s not now. Laird has the highest value he’ll probably ever have right now given he’s still 2 years away from FA and is putting up a good line at the plate.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good lord, stop making sense.
Does Salty have problems throwing out runners? Yes, and I bet most scouts would say given his physical skills he’ll get better with more reps and game time. He’s 23 and trying to play up to all the hype. Sitting every two damn days doesn’t help either. This season doesn’t matter and if he lets guys get to second so what? As long as he learns and improves as the season goes on. No one knows exactly what he and Teagarden are going to be just yet. Laird is what he is. If we’re serious about the youth movement and building toward 2010, Laird, not Salty must be traded. Sure he’ll have his struggles but he’ll get better, Laird won’t.
by Hull Fan on Jun 20, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some stuff
1. Max Ramirez to Minnesota for RHP Kevin Slowey and LHP Tyler Robertson
Minnesota, unlike Kansas City, has a lot of starting pitching depth and wants to get Liriano back into the rotation. Kevin Slowey is 24 years old and a lot like Greinke as a pitcher. Minnesota is also constructed to win soon since their main position players are hitting their prime and they’re 1 good bat and 1 good pitcher away from contention in the AL Central.
2. Gerald Laird to Philadelphia for LHP Antonio Bastardo
Bastardo is the type of high upside, many warts arm that we can expect for Laird. A 5’11” lefty, Bastardo throws well, but walks too many guys and is currently hurt, but is a good enough prospect and far enough along where we will see dividents soon. This trade might happen because this is Gillick’s last year, and he’s definately going to be trying to win and win now.
Other random targets
1. The young relievers division
Daniel Bard, RHP, Boston Red Sox – Bard is a guy with some injury history, but he keeps the ball on the ground and strikes out a ton of guys.
Jonathan Meloan, RHP, LA Dodgers – Meloan was dominant as a reliever last year before being converted to starter and consequently becoming boilerplate. He’s a good bet to help now if traded.
Jarrod Plummer, RHP, Kansas City Royals – Plummer is a guy with good control, and frankly, I think this bullpen needs someone who isn’t liable to come in and throw 4 straight balls any given appearance. He’s also capable of being a help-now guy.
Jose Ascaino, RHP, Chicago Cubs – Ascaino is your everyday middle relief guy. He’s closing for AAA Iowa, but I’m not sure if he’ll ever reach that height in the majors. He does have great stuff, though, and is an interesting arm to take a chance on
2. The all blocked division
Jed Lowrie, SS/3B/2B, Boston Red Sox – Not sure what to make of him, but he’s blocked at all three positions by veterans. Kind of like their German Duran, but more patient.
Ian Stewart, 3B, Colorado Rockies – Unlike other top prospect (Chris Nelson), Stewart can’t play 2nd and unless Garret Atkins is traded, he’ll have to be moved. Stewart has struggled big time in the majors so far this year, fanning at a 40% clip.
Andy LaRoche, 3B, LA Dodgers – It’d probably be smarter for the Dodgers to move Blake Dewitt, but Ned Colleti will never do that, so LaRoche is the guy on the market. He’s a very patient hitter with good power before a wrist injury.
3. The Future Mid-Rotation Division
Darryl Thompson, RHP, The Cincinnati Reds – Thompson has been fantastic this year, but the Reds have Volquez, Harrang, Bailey and Cueto. Either Bailey or Thompson could possibly be moved for another offensive piece, or whatever the heck it is Walt Jocketty deals for.
James McDonald, RHP, LA Dodgers – A pitcher converted to an outfielder converted back into a pitcher. McDonald has been eratic this year, but still has enough value to any team because of the lack of miledge on his arm and his potential.
by FirebatM3 on Jun 20, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
more young relievers
the Yankees have an impressive collection of relievers in their system, including Melancon, Cox, and Robertson. I would like to see us try to pluck one of those guys away. They seem like a decent match for Marlon Byrd or Frankie Cat.
by clark on Jun 20, 2008 2:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
do people think we could get an Ace
with a package Starting with Padilla and Bradley? or Millwood and Bradley…...maybe all three lol maybe prospect that’ll be an ace?
I think we should capitalize on Padilla and Bradley and trade Millwood before he’s too old and we can get the best return….....Laird, Byrd and Cat too…..sounds like a lot but we got young guys who can step in and what’s missing we can get in return…....but if we can get the missing pieces with those chips without having to give up our farm, that’ll be great….
by slash on Jun 21, 2008 4:14 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

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