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Sigh.

Gerald Laird is heading for the disabled list with a badly strained hamstring.

This bums me out. 

I think most folks here know how I feel about Laird, who I think was jerked around a little by the organization earlier in his career.  The whole baseball credo that you don't lose your starting job because of an injury didn't apply to Laird, who won the starting catcher's job in 2004 and was playing well before spraining his thumb on a tag at the plate.  He came back before he was 100% healthy because the team needed someone besides Rod Barajas who could catch down the stretch, and was rewarded by the team signing Sandy Alomar, Jr., that offseason and declaring before spring training even started that Laird would spend 2005 in the minors.

And now, after a very solid first half of the season, he's headed to the d.l. for at least a month.  That sucks.

Max Ramirez is getting the call up, which surprises me.  I thought the Rangers would most likely find a veteran backup off the street, and if they didn't do that, would call up Taylor Teagarden.  But Teagarden apparently is dealing with some health issues, and Ramirez is already on the 40 man roster, so Ramirez gets the call.  I am interested in seeing how they use him going forward...there aren't a ton of DH ABs available right now, although when Hank Blalock returns (and he starts a rehab assignment today at Oklahoma), Ramirez could end up playing first base against lefties.

Ron Washington says C.J. Wilson is still the closer "for now," which suggests the leash is pretty short.  Washington says Wilson has to throw more strikes and stop running up his pitch counts.

Oh, yeah, the Rangers played yesterday.  They lost. 

Jamey Wright threw for the fourth consecutive day, and not surprisingly, wasn't good.  The decision to bring in Wright baffles me...he's pitched four days in a row, and at the time he was brought in, Washington knew the Rangers were going to have to pitch 2 more innings (at least) if they were going to win.  I can't imagine he was going to leave Wright in there for more than an inning...so why bring him in then? 

Why not use the more fresh Luis Mendoza, who can log multiple innings, and who presumably would be coming in in the next inning anyway?

Another baffling bullpen move...

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Mendoza

Was he even in the bullpen? i know he got called up so i can only assume he made it to the stadium, which is why i’m baffled that he wasn’t brought in.

And it really sucks about laird, I had come around to keeping him and getting a haul for salty in a trade. Laird is another good example of the buck regime mishandling players (such as botts ).

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 21, 2008 9:24 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

mishandled Botts....

I find it to be a little strange that people still cling to the idea that Botts didn’t get a fair shake. The guy wasn’t good enough. Period. He’s so “not good enough” that he has to play in Japan. It’s not like he’s killing the ball for someone else and making us wish he was still here.

I just don’t get it.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 9:58 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well..

he could have been given solid consistent at bats while the team was clearly losing.
i think in the end he wasn’t developed well and didn’t get as long of a look as he should have.

ultimately he might not ever be good enough, but i think the way he was brought up here and there and not started every day for even half a season probably prolonged the decision. had he been given that 2yrs ago , they might not have put him on the 25 this year at all.

"I'm against picketing, but I don't know how to show it." - Mitch Hedberg

by rentz on Jun 21, 2008 10:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hard for a team.....

to make room for a guy that is all stick, no glove, and his stick was never going to force him into the lineup. Botts can only blame himself. If he could play the field he would be with someone right now, probably the Rangers.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 10:34 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They had no problem

handing a starting spot to Phil Nevin and Sammy Sosa, 2 other guys who were all stick and no glove and it was a very piss poor stick.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 10:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevin....

He was getting paid a huge chunk of money. He’s going to play until they are 100% sure he’s done. He did and then they shipped him out. It’s not like he was a FA signing either. He was the final act of the worst FA signing in history. Plus Botts wasn’t really blocked by Nevin was he? Nevin was gone by mid ‘06.

Sosa you can make an argument but the issue there is money. He was making money for the Rangers. That’s the only reason he was signed. We all know this and yet people still use Sosa as some sort of proof that the Rangers can’t manage a roster. He was not in Arlington to really help that team. No matter what was said in the press.

My point with Botts is, if you’re going to be so bad in the field that your only position is DH then you better damn well knock the cover off the ball the second you get a chance. He never did that. Never. I don’t blame the Rangers for his lack of versatility. I blame Botts.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 10:55 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's stupid

Nevin shouldn’t have even been here that year if the goal was to compete (which it was).

And yes, he was blocking Botts. The only time Botts came up was after Nevin was traded, the team sent him back to AAA for not performing in a week’s worth of games spread out over 3 weeks, and then he got hurt and was out for most of the rest of the season.

The point with Sosa is still that he wasn’t part of the future and this team was out of it by May. That’s when Botts should have been playing nearly everyday. If the team wanted, they could still play Sosa against lefties like they did afterwards.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 11:04 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that Nevin was worthless....

you missed the point. He was getting X million no matter what. I know it’s not your money but the Rangers were going to make very sure that he wasn’t worth a crap before just eating that salary. He was going to play. You can live in a world where the only thing that matters is what’s best for the everyday lineup but the team doesn’t. It’s a business and is run as such.

The same with Sosa. You and I both know that he’s was a platoon player at best with no future for the Rangers. I don’t disagree one bit. Again though, you completely ignore the business side which was my whole point with Sosa. He sold tickets. Period. You get that right? Once he wasn’t the same ticket draw his playing time was mostly gone.

The Botts apologists should find another guy to hang their hat on. Seems his lack of chances were proven right thus far. Funny to me that when the Rangers jerk a player around that is the reason for his lack of success with some of you. Could it be that the lack of success was the reason he wasn’t ever given the chance you wanted? Hard for this board to do at times…..but it seems like you could give the Rangers credit for being right thus far. If Botts come back to the states in his 30’s you can and succeeds you can throw me an “I told you so”.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 11:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nevin was worthless

for all of 2005 and looked even worse coming from San Diego to Texas. They should have known then that he wasn’t going to be worth anything. After that, did they really need to give him 46 games that year before figuring out he wasn’t worth anything? And then should JHJ have gotten nearly as much playing time as he did when he came here? Him and Stairs combined for 167 ABs that year, put that with Nevin and you have 345 ABs gone to waste that year on players with no future here nor any present value. And since the team had the ultimate utility player in DeRosa at the time, having a guy like JHJ proved to be even more worthless.

The main thing that sells tickets is a winning team. Having Sosa on the team and having him reach 600 HRs before cutting him loose is something I could have lived with. He wasn’t playing that well up to that point, but at least wasn’t really worthless and he was a big attraction. But after he wasn’t able to perform or get anything back in a trade, they should have put him a strict platoon at least.

The biggest problem I have with the Botts situation is that he performed well in the minors all his career but never got a shot despite the team being able to afford giving it to him. All I’ve wanted to see was him being given a shot. If the team was a playoff contender each year, had a solid DH, and had a 1B/OF that couldn’t afford to let Botts get any playing time, then fine. That would have been tough for him, but that’s baseball. None of that was the case with the Rangers.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Botts

The handling of Botts wasn’t ideal, but that only led to us being jerked around as fans thinking he was a possibility when he never was. I doubt he ever would have amounted to anything (and if he is so sensitive as to be thrown off by playing time issues, he would have floundered anyway – at least Laird has excelled when his job is on the line)

Botts was a bad major league player – classic AAAA guy. He didn’t deserve all the chances he did get, and in retrospect his pretty regular end of 2007 stats suggest that he should never have been on the 2008 roster. I think it is time to stop holding the Botts situation against the Rangers.

by JBImaknee on Jun 21, 2008 10:36 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Consistent playing time is essential to development.

It is also essential to staying sharp. That is why pinch-hitting is so tough for most people. It is also why players go on rehab assignments before jumping back to the big league level.

Does everyone need it to hit well? No, but those people are the exception. I think we’ve established that Botts was not exceptional.

by NoNameOnCard on Jun 21, 2008 1:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I disagree...

with this statement

He didn't deserve all the chances he did get

I think he did deserve thoses chances with the #’s he put up in the minors and he should have been given more consistant playing time on top of it.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mishandling a player is a process, not an outcome

You can mishandle a player and still have him being a successful one, it just reduces the likelihood of that happening. Botts is not the entire problem, rather it’s whether the organization will do this to other young players who do not succeed immediately once brought up to the bigs.

by Telegraph on Jun 21, 2008 10:43 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Laird...

Should have never lost his job to Popup and should have been the starter in 2005, no doubt. Buck’s love for Barajas sucked. He played ok, but the Rangers had a young catcher who was solid behind the plate and they should have dealt with his growing pains at the plate. Barajas was never a long term solution for this team.

The positve from the Rangers side is if Salty plays well enough to keep the starting job when Laird is back then at least OMFT has built up his trade value with his first half this season and they could move either Laird or Salty in the offseason. Sucks that the catching situation had to “work itself out” with a injury though. I’m not Laird’s biggest fan but I feel bad for the guy.

I’m very excited though to see if MaxRam can hit ML pitching like he has hit in the minors. I think most of us assume that he could skip AAA offensively and it’s just a matter of where you put him on defense to get him AB’s. This team really needs another big RH bat and I hope Max is that guy.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 9:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 11:19 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was hoping

for a veteran backup also. I was wanting to see what Saltalamacchia could do with regular playing time. Lets hope Ramirez follows the Boggs career path and not the Botts career path. Max needs to make the rangers keep him and get rid of Catalanotto and Shelton. Maybe in August we’ll be talking about how Max Ramirez is blocking Chris Davis.

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2008 9:41 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Community Projections on Laird

Very unfortunate for Laird last night. Laird is currently at .306 / .360 / .437. I took a look back at some of our community projections and here is who had Laird with a .280 BA or higher:

Miles .325 / .386 / .499 (Didn’t realize Miles liked Laird this much)
bflood36 .282 / .335 / .435
blueballlefty .280 / .339 / .400
jman55 .280 / .345 / .405
Adam didn’t have him at .280 but did have him at .275 / .325 / .425
Mine .270 / .320 / .430 I could have sworn I had him at .280 – I think Ben changed it. ;)

So obviously Laird has exceed even our best expectations as a whole. I think even Lonestarjon had to cringe when he saw Laird go down last night knowing we just lost our best catcher. Let’s hope he doesn’t lose his job to this injury. I don’t see Salty outplaying him anyhow during this 15 day period.

Washington has a lot of team speed and these next two days could get pretty ugly on the basepaths for Texas regardless of who is catching.

by Chris Hanes on Jun 21, 2008 9:44 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

15 day period...

I think best case scenerio is OMFT is back after the ASB. He could miss more time than that though. Depends on how bad he tore his hammy.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strain!

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s hope he doesn’t lose his job to this injury.

awe crap, it was one thing when laird lost it to PopUp, but Salty and MaxRam? shit, i hope we never see laird on a rangers team again. I appreciate what he brings but get him healthy and trade him ASAP.

this is not a Laird/PopUp scenario. Salty should be given quite a chance to keep the gig. the problem was that Superstar was really starting to play well.

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm happy Max is getting called up

Give him some playing time now in the Majors rather than wasting a roster spot and 40 man spot on a veteran. Lets see what he can do right now. He won’t be up here permanently, but maybe he can show enough to give him the next open spot if the team trades Laird at the deadline.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 9:47 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

trading laird at the deadline

is that even possible now?

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2008 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

He’s put up great season totals and should be healthy by then. The same teams that will want him at the deadline now will likely still be interested in him now.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he's out "at least one month"

That would bring him back with at most 10 days before the deadline. You think that’ll be enough to prove to interested teams that his hamstring is healthy?

by NoNameOnCard on Jun 21, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be

If there are setbacks, than that could change everything, but if he comes back and shows he can play and run and such then teams still desperate for a catcher will still be calling the Rangers.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

still think you trade salty

get better value, and you’ll still have laird. trade laird next year

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2008 4:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bad call

Keep Salty, he’s the elite player out of the 2. You keep the elite talent, the future superstars and trade the guys who aren’t at that level.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 5:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 21, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"he won't be up here permanently"

I disagree.

I firmly believe that Max has stepped into a minor league batter’s box for the last time. I think he will get enough appearances to show what he can do, and I think that he will be a contributor from the first time his name is on the lineup card.

Look at his track record, it is a real easy call for me to suggest that he will demonstrate power and patience, and probably hit for a good average as well. The guy will hit against ML pitching. Hard and often.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Jun 21, 2008 4:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ramirez

i kept saying last night that this needs to be salty’s extended audition and that a veteran backup (who wasn’t very good) would allow him to do that. well, ramirez also allows him to do that because nobody is going to want to play him a lot behind the plate.

only issue i guess is that you really shouldn’t play the two in the same lineup often (lest someone gets hurt) so ramirez goes from crushing AA pitching to not really seeing a lot of playing time.

think about this: you can’t even PH ramirez unless you are willing to pay him at 1B, and washington loves getting Shelton’s glove in there at 1B in later innings. And, that’s also kind of the reason you can’t even play ramirez at 1B and Salty at C, unless you are willing to keep ramirez there the whole game and not sub for him.

if Laird is out for any extended period of time, then this can’t be permanent. it’s possible the ranger just need some time to grab someone off the street

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2008 9:48 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Shelton

He’ll be gone as of Monday.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2008 9:56 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok

either way, wash is going to let maxram handle 1st in late innings. i guess he goes to cat? probably blalock since he has a thing for him.

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2008 10:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

Absoutely no reason to have Shelton around when you’ve got MaxRam.

by lonestarJon on Jun 21, 2008 10:21 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hooray!!!

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This is probably

true because I thought I remember reading absolute horror stories about MaxRam’s defense behind the plate and that was in A ball.

I have not seen him catch yet but I’m leery.

"Dying ain't hard. It's living that's hard."

by Josey Wales on Jun 21, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen

Max catch in Frisco a lot this year, and I haven’t noticed any glaring deficiencies. In my opinion, he’s on par with Salty defensively … not that that’s a compliment. I expected him to be terrible based on scouting reports, but I was pleasantly surprised by his play at catcher.

Neither Salty or MaxRam are going to control the run game that well. So here’s to hoping Max keeps hitting like he is now.

by BHill on Jun 21, 2008 10:47 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's supposed to be average behind the plate

That’s not great, but its far from the horror stroies some are talking about.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 10:48 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hey Adam -

If I remember right, we had the pitcher’s spot coming up in the next inning. I think Wash was thinking that you pitch Wright there, and then bring in Mendoza as a ‘long man’ and hope to get the same performance that you got from Rupe. I guess he could’ve done a double switch, but you know he’s not smart enough to understand that you can do a double switch without a pinch hitter.

by ericeric on Jun 21, 2008 9:58 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

OT: Rupe by the way

Very beastly last night. Dude sports a decent ERA. Why is it that I read on here from time to time that Wash does not trust him in close games?

by Chris Hanes on Jun 21, 2008 9:59 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let's take

Everything that went down last night with a giant grain of salt. That lineup was the worst professional lineup I think I’ve ever seen.

by ericeric on Jun 21, 2008 10:01 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understood, but...

May ERA: 2.87
June ERA: 1.80

What’s not to trust?

by Chris Hanes on Jun 21, 2008 10:06 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's not to trust

20 Ks and 16 walks in 40 IP.

by Adam J. Morris on Jun 21, 2008 10:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

and he almost choked last night, almost.

/MY made a great play on a ball hit up the middle and turned 2 on a slow dude. (never thought those words would come out of my mouth again)

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 11:27 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's a bit of an exaggeration

they are bad, but there are some good spots in that lineup

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 21, 2008 10:16 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Because if you’re serious, you’re wrong.

by ericeric on Jun 21, 2008 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you think....

that is the worst professional lineup you’ve ever seen, you’re either wrong, very young, or don’t watch much baseball.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 10:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

plus you have to figure it’s much worse than it should be with Zimmerman and Kearns out.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 10:35 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

not the worst ever

But they are the worst of this season

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That

I will give you.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 10:57 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

worst i remember

is Detroit when they were in full tanking mode a few seasons ago.

that was ugly

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is it safe to say...

That our offense is now in a severe slump?

Its about that time for the Rangers to drop off the face of the earth. I bet we get skunked on this road trip against 2 terrible teams.

1-5 roadtrip here we come.

by clinton33 on Jun 21, 2008 10:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sadly.....

I agree. This sure looks like it could be “that road trip” that destroys every season. It’s mid june so we are due.

by bdavison94 on Jun 21, 2008 10:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

There seems to be a real connection with how well MY is hitting and how well J-Ham is raking...

and MY is horrible now. Wonder if he should take one for the team, go on the DL, and get that finger well.

II Cor. 4:17-18

by TedFord on Jun 21, 2008 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bradley

makes a big difference, I think.

...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Jun 21, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

The offense is experiencing M.O.B. withdrawals.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 21, 2008 3:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

However, if the Rangers do end up extending him then they should start getting used to it now.

Let me have a diablo sandwich, a Dr. Pepper, and make it fast I'm in a God damned hurry!

by DaheelzCM on Jun 21, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

A slump 4 sure

And the 2 guys other than Kinsler who was not in a slump is now on the DL and the other has the same injury and not on the DL., all teams will now pitch Josh high and outside and he will continue to swing at them, if he can’t learn to ajust then he is just another flash in the pan. Ron Washington as a coach in a teaching mode probably a good thing, Wash as a Manager of a big league team, not good, is is NO Manager

by TRFAN on Jun 21, 2008 10:46 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Why not DH the backup catcher?

Why not DH Max or Salty against lefthanders (if Bradley is playing RF)? I understand it is not good to do it in a must win game like the playoffs, but it is only one game.

by peachygbc_1 on Jun 21, 2008 11:56 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reasoning

If the catcher were to get hurt you would have to move the DH to the catchers slot. You would then lose the DH spot and the pitcher would have to hit. Minnesota did this earlier in the year when playing against us.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jun 21, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but... so what?

losing 2 or 3 at bats from the dh spot (that the pitcher or pinch hitters get) for 1 game in the 1 in 50 chance that the starting catcher goes down is insignificant next to having maxram playing and your best lineup on the field.

I dont know that I want to throw bradley back into the field immediately though.

although I know you were just explaining the reasoning.

Bring up Chris Davis

by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very much agree..

I made this point on the Newberg forum…..

The value of your catcher getting hurt and costing you a few at bats in 1 game vs. having a much better bat at DH for 80 to 100 games is not even close.

Washington bucks all normal trends as a manager, but yet sticks to this stupid trend.

and the only reason that it is a normal trend for a manager is that 90% of teams in the history of baseball have had a below average hitting backup catcher.

by clinton33 on Jun 21, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you.

But I do remember on one occasion this year RW DH’ed Laird and started Salty or Melhuse and this site was up in arms about the move. But I’d much rather have MaxRam DH than rotting on the bench. We still have Shelton who played some catcher earlier in his career if it came to that.

This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC

by nikpin on Jun 21, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yessssss

Stats don't lie

by Longhorn on Jun 21, 2008 12:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Adam: Idea for a long post

I know you’ve got a spot in your heart for Hank (even bigger than the one for Laird).

And now Hank’s probably going to block Davis.

You should contrast the early careers of the two, because their stories have similarities.

I sometimes feel weird pulling for Davis, knowing that it squeezes out Blalock, who was Davis, y’know, before Davis was Davis.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jun 21, 2008 12:47 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

blocked?

Who blocked Blalock?

Brandon Boggs 2008 Texas Rangers ROY

by RangerMad on Jun 21, 2008 12:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No one that I remember anymore. He got a solid chance even the year before he was made the starter at 22.

But 3B is an easier position for a fast rising player to access.

The idea is more that trading Blalock is a popular idea, especially if it frees a spot for Davis, even though Blalock was as hot a Minor League player as Davis, and not even that long ago.

Go Strangers.

by hightowersmith on Jun 21, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well said

and true enough.

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I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

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by Chase Irwin on Jun 21, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is way OT but sorta fun

check this story out about a pitcher that can pitch from either arm

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/8267012?MSNHPHMA

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Jun 21, 2008 12:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Already covered in fan post

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2008 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fan post

excuse the crap outta me!

¡yo soy Horsedooty!

I soloed in the mile high club.

by Sr Horsedooty on Jun 21, 2008 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You are excused

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2008 2:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salty will be traded

The long term implication here, I think, is that Laird is now harder to trade. He’d have to come back and look healthy to provide any return, and since Salty is healthy and has greater value anyway, I think this just makes it that much more likely he gets dealt providing Laird recovers before the trade deadline.

...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Jun 21, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Who would you like to see Salty traded for?

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Someone else brought this up in another post

I don’t think the Reds do this but Homer Bailey for Salty?

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bailey

his lowered K rate in the minors worries me.

Bring up Chris Davis

by DSheppard on Jun 21, 2008 2:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Matt Cain?

He is a year older but his k/bb is pretty good.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2008 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fine

I’m not good with this but how about it we throw in Beau Jones?

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 21, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jones wouldn't have much value right now

but I would throw in Poveda or whoever else would be necessary to get a SP like Cain.

Bailey? Not so much. Salty’s worth more than that.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 21, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Concur...

Salty+ for Cain I would do in a second.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 3:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cain is gonna cost you

Salty + Davis

or maybe Salty, Andrus and Duran, though that might not be enough.

Good young established pitchers with ace potential are so, so expensive.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 21, 2008 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

Salty + Davis I would say no to.

Salty + Andrus + Duran I would say yes to.

I know Cain wouldn’t come cheap, but I think he would be worth it.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 4:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

SF

would be foolish to deal Cain without getting a very promising arm back. If Hurley were to keep pitching fairly well you might be able to discuss Davis, Hurley and someone projectable like Castillo or Beltre or Vallejo. Again though, you’re asking for a proven major league starter for nothing proven in all of these cases, which is pretty unappealing to the other side unless they need to deal the guy.

by Brett Perryman on Jun 21, 2008 4:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok...

I’m sure you know better than I do, but I do think the Giants are pretty deep with pitching and do need more position players.

That lineup looks pretty bad and has some guys like Vizquel, Durham, Winn, Molina, etc. that won’t be there much longer.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 4:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yah

My proposal was pretty off the cuff.

They wouldn’t have much interest in Salty considering Bengie Molina’s performance and the fact that they just drafted (and will presumably end up signing) Buster Posey.

But I think we’re on the same page in terms of saying it would take a crazy package to land Cain.

Davis, Hurley and Andrus might do it, depending on what they’re looking for if (and that’s a huge “if”) they were to decide they’d be better of dealing Cain.

Although I don’t know that I’d deal for him right now. His numbers this year make me think something is wrong.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 21, 2008 4:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's exactly why.

It’s not really much to do with Molina, since SF has basically come out and said that Bengie is only there until Posey’s ready. They think Posey’s the real deal, so they’d have to be absolutely bowled over for them to trade Cain.

by LiamP on Jun 21, 2008 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Davis, Hurley, Andrus

Isn’t that quite a bit more than what Bedard cost in terms of prospects?

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Jun 21, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Comparable

It’s always hard to compare packages since there’s so many fluid parts, but I think they’d be pretty comparable.

Jones and Davis are the headliners and they are very different players, but roughly analogous, I’d guess. With Jones probably being a bit more valuable just cause of the premium teams always seem to put on true CF’ers.

The 40 Trumps All!!!

by thedirkatron on Jun 21, 2008 11:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would really like to keep Salty here

but if he can be packaged to get a potential top of the rotation pitcher you have to make that deal.

by clinton33 on Jun 21, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why would OMFT...

be harder to trade now? He has had a great season and his injury shouldn’t be a long term deal. It’s not like it’s a serious injury to his throwing shoulder or something, it’s just a hammy. Once it heals teams will see what his #’s were and I think still be willing to deal for him. It may not be this year before the deadline but this offseason for sure.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 4:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

Laird comes back and proves he’s healthy after the ASB and they have about a month to move him. it really shouldnt slow down a trade by then and i didnt see us making a move with him till the ASB anyway. at most it delays a deal a week or 2 max.

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

wrong

if he is out the month they say he will be then we will have two weeks till the trade deadline not a month and with this rotation that means he gets maximum 7 starts so if YOU were a team looking for a catcher to put you over the top would you give anything up for one that had just played 7 games in 4-6 weeks?

by blueballlefty on Jun 21, 2008 5:45 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

based off his season...

so far, as long as the hammy is fine, yes.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

JUST HOPE

that Salty does break out of his season long slump and can shoot down a few baserunners. If not we may have NO value in Salty at all. If I had a team I would not be looking to trade Laird. He is an above average defensive catcher and now his stick has come back. Yes for all you Laird haters he is a good hitter. If Salty does not now step up and Max outplays him offensively and defensively we could have a bust on our hands. Especially as a catcher. Plus with Blalock and Davis in our future at first, he will be out of a position.

by Ranger Capt on Jun 21, 2008 4:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Come on...

you can’t call a kid a bust if he just turned 23 and isn’t a All-Star yet.

You guys have to keep his age and ML experience in consideration when saying shit like that.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not calling him a bust, but

what I am saying is he could get left behind real quick. He has stated that he is a catcher. What I am saying is if Max comes up and plays really well, and shows some defense (something Salty is lacking) then Salty may be left behind in this organization. With the talent we have coming up, and the way Salty is playing. I think 1st was his default position and I think that door may be closed.

by Ranger Capt on Jun 21, 2008 4:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never liked the idea...

of Salty at 1B. His value would greatly diminish. I still think he can be a good catcher.

And you better believe that 1B door is shut tight with Davis knocking on the door and Smoak being drafted.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You know what I have a problem with....

People throwing a fit over Salty’s performance so far are probably the same people that we crying to let Jason Botts play more to prove himself…

I don’t think people give Salty as much slack as they would a homegrown talent.

If davis put up the same stats that Salty has there would be about 1/3 less bitching about him

by clinton33 on Jun 21, 2008 4:57 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't remember Botts demanding

he play any certain position. Botts just wanted to be in the show. Salty wanted to be in the show on his terms. Salty has never proven his worth in the Rangers uniform. I am not sure why all the people are so crazy about Salty. I do not dislike the guy, but everyone that loves him so hard makes it where you have to put down the guy to get your point across. What has he ever done to warrant handing him the starting job in the off season. He has been less than spectacular since arriving. I am not saying the potential is not there, but I still hate the fact when he was about to be sent down, that he said” I have nothing left to prove in the minors” He got called up because McCann was hurt and he was hot. he had some success and stayed on as the 1st baseman. I hope he does well, but I am not holding my breath. I seriously believe that Max will outplay him.

by Ranger Capt on Jun 21, 2008 5:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Salty

hasn’t been given a starting spot until now when Laird got hurt

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg on Jun 21, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you dilusional?

Salty never demanded he play a certain position. You are constantly coming up with bogus info. Compared to what Salty has accomplished as a Ranger is nothing to what he will accomplish when all is said and done. Did you know that the kids bat is in the HOF for his performance in last years Oriole game? How many 22 year old kids can say that? How many 22 year old kids can even say they made it to the Major Leagues? You say you hated it when he was about to be sent to AAA and he voiced his opinion. He voiced it because he believed strongly that he belonged with the big club. Thats nothing more than confidence in his ability to play the game. As I recall Salty went down to AAA without bitching about it and quietly tore things up. If he wasnt good enough the Braves would never have called him up during a playoff race from AA. They had a few vet backstops in AAA they could have pulled. You also say you “don’t dislike the guy” and “hope he does well”. Personally I think you’re full of it and wish you would hold your breath so you would pass out and I wouldnt have to read your crap for awhile! They say if you don’t have anything nice to say about someone you just shouldnt say anything at all. I think I mentioned to you once before that you should research a little before you shoot off your mouth, but obviously you don’t listen. How about picking on someone else to trash because I’m sick and tired of your crap.

by 525DP on Jun 21, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please keep posting here.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 21, 2008 11:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Overlook him

He talks shit all the time. I know it’s hard to read some post about Salty but I say this tounge in cheek. Take it with a grain of salt. There are only a few that don’t like Salty but I think I’m in the majority when I say this most of us really like him. Plus remember this Rangers Capt. is still a horse at the end of the day so what does he really know?

Thanks, Tracy

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 22, 2008 12:05 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ranger Captain

is a no talent ass clown.

Your son is going to be a damn fine major leaguer.

Pedro: "I wasn't cockfighting, I just have a wide stance."

by tricer on Jun 22, 2008 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep

You should be very proud.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 22, 2008 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

slc, boomer, tricer and jayslick for the nice comments. They are appreciated. Most posts of his type I usually find entertaining and laughable because I know my son so well and posters like him have no clue. But, sometimes, you just feel enough is enough. I don’t post very often because I feel if you know I am online (which I’m usually not) your opinions about my son might be guarded, and I would’nt want that. However, you will get my back up when I feel you are crossing the line and your comments about him sound more like personal attacks. Some posters say I only seem to post about my son. Well, thats pretty much true because for the most part I am still learning about the Ranger players and will not become opinionated about players I don’t know. When I do finally feel I can make a constructive opinion about them it will not be laden with hate and inuendo. I am a firm believer that if you have nothing nice to say about someone don’t say anything at all. I, as a players Dad, know the dedication and sacrifice these kids have made to get where they are. Very few kids ever get the chance.
Remember, this game of baseball may very well be a game, but it is also a job to these kids that they are striving to get better and better at so that one day they can perhaps say to themselves “Win or lose, I left it all on the field, and I have become the best that I can be.”
Thanks again everyone.

by 525DP on Jun 22, 2008 8:30 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please keep posting

whether about your son or anyone else.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 22, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

i agree. this team has a lot of issues, salty sure as hell aint one of them. how is a team supposed to rebuild when its fans are mad and ready to give up on a 23 year old catching prospect after ahe has shown the plate discipline that salty has. the dude is gonna be a badass if we dont fuck it up

"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008

"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008

by Jayslick on Jun 21, 2008 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

"...my balls are really like a veiny flesh color" blueballlefty on Jun 4, 2008 7:44 PM EDT
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by Rodney on Jun 21, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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