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Poking around the M's blogs

So, I was looking around Lookout Landing and U.S.S. Mariner today.

First of all, I found out whose fault it is that Gerald Laird is hurt.  It is Jeff Sullivan's.  Look what he put up Friday afternoon.  Then, that night, Laird strains his hamstring.  Clearly, the Seattle Mariners suck of 2008 is so powerful, it is stretching across time, space, and interwebs...

Jeff also has a bit of a mea culpa up on Erik Bedard, and I have to say, I'm surprised that so many smart people jumped on the Bedard bandwagon this offseason.  My argument at the time, to those who wanted the Rangers to make a big push for him and give him crazy money, was that one great season from a 28 year old does not an ace make, and if you are going to sell the farm and go all-in for a pitcher, it shouldn't be for one who (along with being 28 and with only one great season) has never thrown 200 innings and has made more than 28 starts only once.

It isn't that Bedard isn't a terrific pitcher...he is, and is definitely better than anyone the Rangers have.  It is that he isn't the elite level performer that folks were treating him as last summer.

Over at U.S.S. Mariner, Dave Cameron marvels at how coaches are anonymously dropping players in the grease.  Seriously, click on the link and go read the quotes.  As he notes, what is so amazing isn't just that the coaches think that, but that they are willing to go on the record (even anonymously) to a reporter with this, and apparently want it out there and in the press. 

Cameron also, in another post, points out this Ken Rosenthal column which I had missed, which describes the M's clubhouse as "toxic" and claims there are major schisms, particularly with some players thinking Ichiro and Jumanji are getting preferential treatment, and that Bedard hangs out in the clubhouse on days he isn't pitching, rather than sitting in the dugout.

Jumanji, incidentally, is what prompted me to check out U.S.S. Mariner and LOL today, since over at BP, there's an article up by John Perrotto that includes this fascinating news:

The Mariners would like Johjima, signed to an albatross-like three-year, $24 million contract extension by Bavasi in April, to move to first base to replace Richie Sexson, a strong candidate to be released. However, Johjima wants no part of playing first and will now likely sit most of the time while rookie Jeff Clement sees most of the action at catcher.

I don't know how much of that Jumanji deal is really on Bavasi, since word is M's ownership was pushing to retain him, but still...signing a guy who isn't that great to an above-market contract, when your best positional prospect plays the same position, and neither of them are going to have much value anywhere else, doesn't seem like a great plan.

 

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dropped in the grease

Glad to see that you’re sticking with that phrase.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jun 22, 2008 4:54 PM CDT   0 recs

thanks

I really need a new one. I’ve had that one for a while.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jun 22, 2008 10:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

wgi was that to

Bring up Chris Davis

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2008 11:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

who*

Bring up Chris Davis

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2008 11:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You can call me sir.

Or ‘The Professor.”

"I know you're a bit dense but no, it doesn't. Obviously lying isn't a problem for me."

by benmor78 on Jun 22, 2008 11:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sure am glad I'm not a Mariners fan now

They are in such a bad situation right now that I can’t imagine how they will recover within the next five years. Its probably best for the Rangers to just sit back and watch them be the cellar dwellers for the next half decade rather than try and make some trades for any of their talent.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Jun 22, 2008 5:44 PM CDT   0 recs

Think so?

The Astros are in a bad spot, but I think they at least could have a pretty quick turn-around if they traded some of their bigger names and got a good return. I have the feeling that the M’s fan base would revolt if they traded either Felix or Ichiro. They are pretty much stuck.

"You’re the only here who contributes schtick only." - brettgardner

by trza on Jun 22, 2008 10:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Yeah, but most of the Astros

vets have some kind of partial NTCs. They’re going to have a harder time selling theirs off. Not to mention that their farm system is completely dry and their draft was less than stellar. If they can sell off Berkman, Tejeda, Oswalt, Lee, and a couple other pitchers, they could turn themselves around. Seattle will at least sell their vets and have the first pick next year. Either way it would totally suck to be a fan of either team knowing ownership and management might not change any further.

by Hull Fan on Jun 22, 2008 10:55 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Houston

At least has the talent to kind of stay in that mediocre territory. Seattle is going to be stuck losing a lot for a long time unless they have a few great top 3 picks over the next few years.

By 2028, Mark Teixeira will be in the HOF.
-The Outlaw

by Gdawg1 on Jun 22, 2008 11:19 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wallowing in mediocrity is not good position

Seattle has better stock in the farm, as well as more valuable pieces in the major leagues should they decide to sell. If they make a good GM hire, the likelihood of turning them into a real contender is much greater than the Astros. Astros, on the other hand, has a few more pieces, but other than the Magician and Puma, the others only have mediocre trade value. Their farm system is as barren as a U. Miami classroom, and the illusion of grandeur syndrome that plagued the Rangers for years appears to have moved down to South Texas. In addition, the improvements by other team in that division really make their future look bleak.

by Telegraph on Jun 23, 2008 12:13 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I doubt they can

Get in return for Bedard what they gave up for him.

"Would you mind walking a time or two so I could drive in some runs"? Milton Bradley

by boomer1 on Jun 22, 2008 5:54 PM CDT   0 recs

Why don't they

stick Vidro at 1B and Kenji at DH with Sexnone backing them both up if he isn’t toast soon?

by Rangerchick on Jun 22, 2008 6:11 PM CDT   0 recs

Vidro is terrible defensively everywhere

I’d rather not have him in the lineup at all given he is a worse hitter now than Sexson

by Telegraph on Jun 22, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Vidro

peaked 5 years ago.

The guy shouldn’t be in MLB right now.

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 22, 2008 7:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

can anyone describe

Max’s day in the field and at the plate? How VP looked? And, was Josh better than his line suggests offensively?

Thanks.

Stats don't lie

by Longhorn on Jun 22, 2008 6:51 PM CDT   0 recs

max in the field was fine

young and duran threw too high on too plays and max jumped up and got them rather than try to stay on the bag – so plus points for that.

VP was ridiculously filthy until the 7th inning – total mistake pitch.

josh was not better than his line looked

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2008 7:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

thx

Stats don't lie

by Longhorn on Jun 22, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

*two plays

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2008 8:08 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I go to USSM for my Mariners blog needs, not Look Out Landing.

And they, like most smart people, HATED the Bedard trade. Almost to an overboard “end of the world” extent.

So I’m a little shocked Sullivan liked it. At the time, I don’t think I even knew Look Out Landing existed.

by philkid3 on Jun 22, 2008 7:01 PM CDT   0 recs

He didn't like the deal at all

But he thought Bedard was a better pitcher

by Telegraph on Jun 22, 2008 8:00 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

yeah

seemed like he was trying to put a positive spin on it – as in it’s not a good deal, but at least you are doing it for a pitcher like bedard

Rare Gnats Sex

by ab03 on Jun 22, 2008 8:09 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

M's trade

In all fairness, nobody really expected Sherrill to be as good as he’s been. His success makes the trade look even worse.
But really, Tillman and Jones alone for only ONE year of Bedard is definetely not worth it. They probably should’ve called John Gibbons to ask him what he thought about Bedard.
Silly Mariners.

On Johjima: At the time his contract was extended, he was viewed as an above-average offensive catcher (once again, “offensive”) and Jeff Clement was just a prospect. They should’ve just made up their minds and traded one of them.

by chrisR on Jun 22, 2008 8:15 PM CDT   0 recs

its 2 years.

Bring up Chris Davis

by DSheppard on Jun 22, 2008 9:10 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Was still a very bad deal...

they knew Bedard was going FA and wouldn’t consider a extension.

"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance."-Socrates

by slc ranger on Jun 22, 2008 9:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow

those are some really damning quotes if all that stuff is true. It makes all the Mariners veterans look like selfish asses.

...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.

by t ball on Jun 22, 2008 11:02 PM CDT   0 recs

I loved Arthur Rhodes calling out Sexson

Don't knock masturbation, it's sex with someone I love .

by Brian Thomas on Jun 23, 2008 10:02 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

+1

"Typical woman. 'Give me' 'Give me' 'Give me'

I’ll give ya something.

1. A backhand
2. A stuffing
3. $500 if you promise never to post here again"

~ The Immortal, BG

by Chase Irwin on Jun 23, 2008 12:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

We're really not in that bad of shape.

Of course we’re the worst team in baseball right now, record-wise, but given a proper GM hire, we have the money to turn things around quickly (2-3 years) rather than a Pirates-5-20. Tell you what, though, I’ll be shocked if anyone other than Felix, Morrow and Clement are around for the next “winner.”

by Omerta on Jun 24, 2008 4:54 AM CDT   0 recs

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