Buyers or Sellers? 6/23
by peachygbc_1
on Jun 23, 2008 8:38 AM CDT
The last Buyers or Sellers post went pretty good, so I figured I might try to update it every Monday until the trade deadline. We are 38 days from the trade deadline and currently stand 1 game over .500 (39-38).
However, we are 7.5 out in the West and 6 out of the Wildcard.
I think this pretty much means we are sellers unless we are buying for the future. So here are my random questions, let's discuss.
1. Does Laird's injury change any plans on trading a catcher? Does it hurt Laird's value?
2. Again, who do you want to trade and who should we target in return?
3. Is anyone untouchable on the Rangers farm (not Majors)?
4. Which team would you call first?
Hope this post goes as well as the last one.
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Nothing has changed
I think we are still sellers but smart ones. I think there is just as good a chance for us to trade 4-5 guys as there is to not trade anyone.
As far as Laird goes, if he can come back a couple weeks before the deadline then I don’t think his value will be hurt. Hes one of those guys who we could trade but don’t necessarily have to. Of course this could all change depending on how Salty does during his absence. If Salty, now that he is getting regular playing time, steps up and starts hitting and not just drawing walks and can just be decent controlling the running game then it may make Laird easier to let go.
Neftali Feliz is untouchable in my mind. Now of course there are exceptions to every rule but for all intensive purposes he is off limits.
Who knows by this time next week things could change dramatically
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on Jun 23, 2008 8:51 AM CDT 0 recs
I think
the Royals, Rays, and Red Sox could all be trade partners. The Royals pretty much have needs all over the IF and could use a young catcher, along with a positional player, such as CD, for Grienke.
The Sox are short a starter with Colon hurt and unreliable and Schilling done for the year…. unless they believe that Masterson will consistently give them what Bucholz and Lester have already. They could be looking catcher, but not desperately since Varitek and Cash are getting the job done. In that case, It’d be hard to get them to part with a top young pitcher.
The Rays are an interesting duck…. they are log-jammed at the MLB level with talented young pitching. David Price is close to untouchable or too expensive, but Niemann or Hammel could be available… at the right price. The Rays could use a right-handed power-hitting outfielder like Board game.
No minor leaguer should be untoucheable….. however, if Feliz is flipped, it’d better be in a deal for a player like Grienke or some other young MLB ready stud pitcher.
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by SarasotaRanger on Jun 23, 2008 8:52 AM CDT 0 recs
Rays
I think that the Rays are the first team that I am talking with. They have a ton of young pitching. We have no idea how they’ll work at the trade deadline, since they have not be in that situation before, but I think we have to stay in constant contact with them. Also, don’t forget the Dodgers. They have lost Brad Penny for a while and might be looking at Padilla or Millwood. They have also said they might be willing to deal Matt Kemp in the right deal.
by peachygbc_1 on
Jun 23, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Neftali
No way I’d put Feliz in a deal for Greinke.
by Jamey Newberg on
Jun 23, 2008 9:27 AM CDT
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Speaking of whom
Sickels did a piece on Feliz earlier today.
http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/6/23/556614/prospect-update-neftali-fe
by BudLight on
Jun 23, 2008 9:32 AM CDT
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Why?
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jun 23, 2008 9:42 AM CDT
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Because
he’s feaking awesome and the Rangers have too many other attractive young arms to substitute. I’d sooner give up any other arm in the system.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on
Jun 23, 2008 9:50 AM CDT
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he’s feaking awesome
no doubt, i thought the same words and looked down and tball is kicking them out
good call
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-Miles 6/21/08
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on
Jun 23, 2008 10:21 AM CDT
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I would love to get Greinke here.
But the idea I proposed - which has drawn 80% disapproval - sending KC a package of Saltalamacchia, Hurley, JMJ, and Madrigal, doesn’t kill us in any area developmentally. Feliz, for me, is all but untouchable.
by Jamey Newberg on
Jun 23, 2008 10:11 AM CDT
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Who
would you rather give up Feliz, Harrison, Hurley? Obviously Hurley is the first one you would give up sense he’s in your deal but what about the other two?
by blueballlefty on
Jun 23, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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I'd much rather give up harrison
but I don’t think KC would want him as much as hurley.
by Agreen07 on
Jun 23, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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Harrison
It’s not close. If I have to part with Harrison or Feliz to get a deal done that I want to get done, Harrison goes.
by Jamey Newberg on
Jun 23, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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Trio
Harrison is easily the one to ship off in that trio. Not as near as much upside…
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by nikpin on
Jun 23, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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It is somewhat irrelevant in my opinion
I don’t see KC giving up Greinke for Salty, JMJ and Harrison. If they do, that would be an amazing trade…
by Agreen07 on
Jun 23, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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And yet...
92 percent of the Rangers fans who responded on my site disagree with you.
Not that I disagree with you. My vote was “Neither team does it.”
by Jamey Newberg on
Jun 23, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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I'd be against it..
2 (guaranteed) years of Greinke v. 6 years of Hurley + Salty’s value at C or in trade + JMJ’s value in the OF or in trade.
It’s not even close in my book.
by Topgun22 on
Jun 23, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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That can't be a serious question
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by Brian Thomas on
Jun 23, 2008 8:59 PM CDT
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Jamey,
why trade away another young pitcher for havedeveloped? Let Hurley play himself out of the mix if thats what your worried about. I think managment owes the Rangers fan base at least that much. Let us see Hurley in Arlington for a long time. Let the kid develop instead of trading him away. Im so sick of this team trading away all its bright pitching prospects.
The bloggerformelyknownasBigBaddBubbaJ
by NYTXFAN on
Jun 23, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Hurley
Do you think he’ll be better than Greinke? What sort of % chance do you give Hurley to be better than Greinke?
by Jamey Newberg on
Jun 23, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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what sort of % chance do you give us keeping grienke past arb?
prob about the same %
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on
Jun 23, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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Why?
if we traded for Greinke we would lock him up long-term.
by Agreen07 on
Jun 23, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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so with all the bad ass kids who are pitching these day....
you bet all your chips on the guy who missed a whole season with “emotional issues” and has only been top notch for maybe this season. hell, he started last season relieving and was nuts the year before and you wanna give seattle crap for giving up the moon for bedard?
thats just stupid as crap.
get this in your head peoples: this organization has never just gone through a total rebuild from the ground up. They have never seen a rebuild out. And now, here we are sitting in a spot where we could dominate baseball or our division for a good while as long as we keep the rebuild process going, as long as we dont fuck it up. Yet you people are all about trade salty, trade hurley, no trade harrison. this is the 1st tier of our rebuild! a process we arent even half way done with.
you guys are on crack, or retarded or impatient or dont understand how to successfully rebuild
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on
Jun 23, 2008 12:18 PM CDT
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Crack tends to make me quite impatient
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by Brian Thomas on
Jun 23, 2008 8:58 PM CDT
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Id much rather have both Hurley and Greinke if possible.
And if not, then Id rather see us develop Hurley the whole way. Who will be better?, I have no clue. Greinke has more exerience, so right now Greinke is better. Hurley could become just as good if not better if he can keeop the ball in the park.
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by NYTXFAN on
Jun 23, 2008 10:26 AM CDT
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Love Greinke
But I’d rather have traded for him last year, or the year before, when his cost would have been a fraction of what it is now.
Seems like we trade away our young pitchers before they emerge as legit ML, I wish we would take the opposite approach and pick up some other team’s bright young pitching prospect before the emerge on the ML scene and double the cost to obtain them.
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by tricer on
Jun 23, 2008 10:49 AM CDT
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I may not say zero.
But I’d be in the neighborhood.
by Jamey Newberg on
Jun 23, 2008 2:02 PM CDT
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Let's not go all Erik Bedard
on Kansas City. I’m all for getting him here, but you’re talking about giving up more than a hell of a lot for a guy who has shown flashes of brilliance, but has not established himself as a #1.
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by SarasotaRanger on
Jun 23, 2008 10:19 AM CDT
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*as a #1... yet.
There is no such thing as global warming. David Murphy was cold, so he turned the sun up.
by SarasotaRanger on
Jun 23, 2008 10:20 AM CDT
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Thats proposal gives up a lot of the Rangers upper level talent though.
I’d rather see some of the Rangers lower level arms thrown in than some of that ML ready talent.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jun 23, 2008 11:11 AM CDT
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Upper Level Talent
Maybe I should have said high ceiling talent.
You’d really only have Andrus, Davis, Diamond(borderline), & Harrison left in the upper minors. Not to mention you give up Hurley & Salty who are contributing at the ML level and have pretty high ceilings themselves.
After looking at it we really don’t have much talent in the UL now that Boggs, Hurley, Salty, MaxRam, & Duran have made it. Getting rid of Madrigal, JMJ, Hurley, & Salty would clean us out.
This is the Texas Rangers, professional destroyers of hope, we're talking about. - BAC
by nikpin on
Jun 23, 2008 3:19 PM CDT
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If you give up Hurley
then go ahead and give up Diamond.
That would complete JD’s cleansing of all good pitching prospects that he didn’t acquire himself. DVD and Hurley….gone!
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by Clueless on
Jun 23, 2008 2:16 PM CDT
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Why's it ridiculous?
Greinke is a 1/2 SP and is only 24. The Rangers aren’t winning anything until we have a solid rotation. Greinke would be a huge addition. I would trade Davis for him…
by Agreen07 on
Jun 23, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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if the Rangers sign Justin Smoak...
...makes one of them a little more expendable.
by oc on
Jun 23, 2008 9:57 PM CDT
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Expendable...
perhaps in 2 years but not right now.
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by slc ranger on
Jun 24, 2008 9:25 AM CDT
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Our next 9 games
3 Hou<br />3 vs. Phi<br />3 NYY
We have to go 5-4 at worst….It will be difficult but if we want to be contenders we gotta be over .500 after that stretch.
by Agreen07 on Jun 23, 2008 9:19 AM CDT 0 recs
Zero has changed.
The two important pieces of Data
1) 6/23/08
2) Standings
WEST W L PCT GB
LA Angels 46 30 .605 –
Oakland 41 34 .547 4.5
Texas 39 38 .506 7.5
Seattle___26 49 .347 19.5
No sense making any deals unless they are our depth for another teams depth move, like trading Cat for someone who can hit lefties. Or maybe just release Cat and sign Sosa :)
Sharky said it, I believe it, that settles it
by DJCahill on Jun 23, 2008 9:31 AM CDT 0 recs
I think if we're going to make up ground in the West
then its going to have to be in tgames versus the rest of the division. As of right noiw, the Rangers have the best record against the other teams in the West at 14-10. Couple that in with 30 games still remaining versus the rest of the division, 14 of those being against the Angels, and the Rangers still do have a pretty decent chance at winning the West.
First Hurley, now Max, and eventually, Davis. man for the first time in a while, it sure feels good to be a Ranger’s fan.
by hinduplaya on
Jun 23, 2008 10:07 AM CDT
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Nothing has changed
and nothing WILL change.
If you ever want to see the rangers in the World Series, you are sellers.
by SaltyGoesYard on Jun 23, 2008 9:41 AM CDT 0 recs
+1
"Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought."
-Miles 6/21/08
"There is no reason for me to move to third base," Young said.
-FOTF 5/20/2008
"Well, we are one of the cheapest teams in Major League Baseball"
-Tom Hicks 4/8/2008
by Jayslick on
Jun 23, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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+ Juan
"Point is I could have had them if I wanted. But I DO NOT lower my standards. Do they know who I am? Do they know my status? Thats what I thought." -miles
by coolaid on
Jun 23, 2008 2:40 PM CDT
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Too early
We really need to wait until after the ASB to know, but unless they get within a game or two of first place there’s no point in buying.
...and curse Sir Sidney Ponson, he was such a stupid git.
by t ball on Jun 23, 2008 9:51 AM CDT 0 recs
there is no poinjt in buying if we get close,
that’s how you fall off the rebuilding mode. If we do good and get close, see how far these kids can take us. Re evaluate at the end of the season.
And im going on the record by saying, Tampa will not be buyers or sellers. I think they continue there plan of building homegrown talent and having a great farm on top of that. Upgrades will come from within, IMO.
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by NYTXFAN on
Jun 23, 2008 10:28 AM CDT
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Was it Randolph or Mortimer Duke who said...
... “SELL!!! SELL!!! SELL!!!”?
Stay the course. Look to 2009 and beyond. Take advantage of the trade pieces you have.
I love MB but if there isn’t a “Ranger-friendly” extension signed before the deadline move him. Trade Salty while he still is regarded as a promising young player. If the right deals come up for Millwodd or Padilla, do them.
Etc. etc. etc.
The long term approach is the right one. Don’t compromise it to sell an extra 500 tickets a night in August.
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by Chad Crudup on Jun 23, 2008 10:41 AM CDT 0 recs
Glengarry Glen Ross
“A, B, C…Always Be Closing!”
by 8legs2fangs on
Jun 23, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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Put that coffee down.
Why?
Because you drove a hyundai to work and I drove an 80,000 BMW.
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by Brian Thomas on
Jun 23, 2008 8:53 PM CDT
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How about this....
Obviously there’s some pieces we don’t want to give up (especially pitching). I’d obviously want Grienke over Hurley but I rather have both. How about we do a package of Salty as the main Rangers prospect, have guys in it like JMJ and Madrigal and trade Bradley for the remaining pieces? KC tells us what guys they would want (along with ours) and we see if we can get them for Bradley.
So it would be something like Salty, JMJ, Madrigal, Bradley prospects for Greinke.
Is that an option we should look into?
by Coolbean04 on Jun 23, 2008 11:22 AM CDT 0 recs
Bradley
is a half season rental, I doubt a non-contending team like KC would have interest in him at all.
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by tricer on
Jun 23, 2008 11:39 AM CDT
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you misunderstood
What Coolbean was trying to say is say KC really wanted say one of TBs prospects. We deal MB to TB for that prospect and turn around and throw him in the deal for Greinke.
Bryan Smith (12:17:17 PM PT): Justin Smoak and Josh Hamilton. The AL West might just have found their Bash Brothers, v. 2.0.
by bigsteve on
Jun 23, 2008 11:46 AM CDT
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If you were in KC's position would you do that?
Hell no. Now if you brought up the name Chris Davis…KC would listen.
by Agreen07 on
Jun 23, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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-1
No thank you…we need him at 1B for our future
by 8legs2fangs on
Jun 23, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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And they will say they need Greinke
to be their ace of the future…
by Agreen07 on
Jun 23, 2008 12:00 PM CDT
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+1 Agreen,
Smoak is and should be viewed as the future 1Bman
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by NYTXFAN on
Jun 23, 2008 12:34 PM CDT
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But, how many successful three team deals
really get pulled off.
I think that it would be discussed, but, that there are too many moving parts to make it happen.
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by LBBRangerFan on
Jun 23, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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I guess the first question is how much value does Bradley have to the Rays?
and what would they give up for him?
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by LBBRangerFan on
Jun 23, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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I say...
we just keep what we got, unless we are absolutely blown away by a trade proposal.
if we make it to the playoffs, awesome.
if not, we look to next year.
of course I use that line 4 times a year.
ahhh…its so hard being a DFW sports fan.
by downsetgo on Jun 23, 2008 12:09 PM CDT 0 recs
Its so hard being a Rangers fan in NY!:(
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by NYTXFAN on
Jun 23, 2008 12:35 PM CDT
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+1
Patience is a virtue we have proven to not possess as of yet. We need to wait this thing out, and unless someone blows us away with an offer, sit on the guys you have and see what they can do. Not literally, mind you.
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by utlonghorn24 on
Jun 23, 2008 1:12 PM CDT
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trades
i would rather be a seller but im not giving away bradley or padilla unless we get some top prospects back. they arent just scrap heap players like cat or eddie.
by kumizi on Jun 23, 2008 4:03 PM CDT 0 recs
Still sellers...
this team isn’t going to catch the Halos.
Still too early to answer some of the other questions, except one.
Neftali is untouchable.
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by slc ranger on Jun 23, 2008 6:00 PM CDT 0 recs
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